Today's Pic's. Nov. 22

[Seraphim]

Because no one started one today...I'll start even though some noob will bitch again. He219 isnt able to do this everyday you know.

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An unidentified soldier from a U.S. Army Honor Guard, right, carries a box containing the cremated remains of Chief Warrant Officer Kyran Kennedy at the gravesite in Milton Cemetary prior to the arrival of the funeral procession, Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003, in Milton, Mass. Kennedy was killed in a Black Hawk Helicopter crash near Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites) earlier this month. (AP Photo/Michael Dwyer)


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An Italian Carabinieri police officer looks on at an effigy of Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi with a military helmet and a a sign saying: 'I promised you 1 million jobs...in Iraq (news - web sites)' during a protest in Rome Saturday Nov. 22, 2003, against military intervention in Iraq. (AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino)


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The mother of an Iraqi boy wounded in a car bomb attack cries over her son in Khan Bani Saad November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad, killing at least 18 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. Photo by Ali Jasim/*******


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Iraqi civilians gather near a vehicle damaged in a suicide bomb attack outside the police station of Baquba, 60km north of Baghdad. The explosion killed six Iraqi police and three civilians, including a four year-old girl(AFP/Sabah Arar)


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A commercial plane of the German company DHL. DHL has suspended flights to Iraq (news - web sites) after one of its planes was hit by a surface-to-air missile(AFP/DDP/File)


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Italian Carabinieri and military attend a mass celebrated by the military chaplain at their base in the Southern Iraqi town of Nasiriyah, Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003 during a mass held by the chaplain to remember the 19 victims of last week's bomb attack. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)

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Iraqis look at damaged cars outside a police station after a car bomb attack in Baquba, some 37 miles northeast of Baghdad November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad, killing at least 18 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. Photo by Ceerwan Aziz/*******


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An Iraqi soldier uses a sledge hammer to destroy a block of cement suspected to be used for an improvised explosive device , on the side of the road in Baghdad's al-Doura suburb Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003, during a joint patrol with the U.S. forces. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

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An Iraqi soldier inspects a box on the side of the road in Baghdad's al-Doura suburb Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003, during a joint patrol with U.S. forces. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)


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U.S. soldiers secure the site of morning attacks in central Baghdad November 21, 2003. U.S. Army officials plan to keep 100,000 troops in Iraq (news - web sites) through early 2006, reflecting concern that stabilizing Iraq could be more difficult than originally planned, The New York Times reported on Nov. 22. Photo by Petar Kujundzic/*******


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Two masked anti-coalition fighters holding SA-14 surface-to-air missiles in an unidentified location south of Baghdad. A civilian plane belonging to international express courier DHL was hit by a SA-7 surface-to-air missile (similar to the one in the picture) over Baghdad forcing it to make an emergency landing at Baghdad international airport.(AFP/File/Sarah Daniel)


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A U.S. soldier secures the area after a car bomb attack in Khan Bani Saad, a market town on the northeastern outskirts of Baghdad, Saturday Nov. 22, 2003. Suicide attackers detonated bomb-packed vehicles Saturday at police stations in two towns, killing at least 14 people, officials said. In Baghdad, a civilian cargo plane was forced to land with its wing ablaze, apparently hit by a shoulder-launched missile. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)


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US soldiers man a checkpoint looking for weapons moments after a surface-to-air missile was fired at a cargo plane in Baghdad.(AFP/Patrick Baz)

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An Iraqi policeman, wounded in a car bomb attack at police station, receives medical help at a hospital in Baquba, some 60 km (37 miles) northeast of Baghdad, November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. *******/Ceerwan Aziz


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A member of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corp (ICDC) looks at a pool of blood outside a police station following a car bomb attack in Baquba, some 60 km (37 miles) northeast of Baghdad November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. *******/Ceerwan Aziz


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Iraqis inspect the damaged police station after it was attacked by a car bomb in Baqouba, about 40 miles (60 kilometers) northeast of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov 22, 2003. Suicide attackers detonated two vehicles Saturday at police stations in towns northeast of Baghdad, and at least 14 people were killed, U.S. and Iraqi officials said. (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)


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Relatives and medical staff bring in a boy who was wounded while playing with ordnance in Khan Bani Saad, a market town on the northeastern outskirts of Baghdad, Saturday Nov. 22, 2003. In another incident Saturday, in car bomb attack on police station in Khan Bani Saad, 10 people were killed, including six policemen, three civilians and the vehicle's driver. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)


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A U.S. soldier passes by the remains of a car bomb in Khan Bani Saad, a market town on the northeastern outskirts of Baghdad, Saturday Nov. 22, 2003. Suicide attackers detonated two vehicles Saturday at police stations in towns northeast of Baghdad, and at least 14 people were killed, U.S. and Iraqi officials said. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)


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A U.S. soldier guards two damaged Iraqi police cars after a car bomb attack in Khan Bani Saad November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. *******/Ali Jasim


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Australian troops watch rugby World Cup final England vs Australia at their base at Baghdad's airport Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. (AP Photo/Dusan Vranic)


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Iraqi man looks at a crater made by a car bomb outside a police station after an attack in Baquba, some 60 km (37 miles) northeast of Baghdad November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. *******/Ceerwan Aziz


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Very sad indeed.
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A relative touches the face of eight-year old Iraqi girl Maha Hassan in the morgue of Baqouba, about 40 miles (60 kms) northeast of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov 22, 2003. Maha was killed in front of the police station in Baqouba on Saturday after it was attacked by a car bomb. Suicide attackers detonated two vehicles Saturday at police stations in towns northeast of Baghdad, and at least 14 people were killed, U.S. and Iraqi officials said. (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)


Looks fun
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Italian Army soldiers of the 3rd combat engineer battalion detonate explosives during their training at the Talill base, near the Southern Iraqi town of Nasiriyah, Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. Suicide drivers detonated two vehicles Saturday outside police stations in two towns northeast of Baghdad and at least 14 people were killed. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)

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A nurse carries a wounded Iraqi boy who was injured in a car bomb attack, outside a hospital in Khan Bani Saad November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. *******/Ali Jasim


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Relatives of Jasim Ali, a policeman killed in a car bomb attack, carry his body during a funeral in Khan Bani Saad November 22, 2003. Suicide bombers blew up cars packed with explosives outside two police stations north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the latest deadly strikes on Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-backed police force. *******/Ali Jasim


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A US soldier from the 4th Infantry Division has a nap sitting on a couch inside one of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s former palaces in Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. With their marble interiors, domed roofs and intricate arabesque stucco, the headquarters of the 4th ID look more like a vision from a Middle Eastern fairy tale than a military camp. A complex of marble palaces strewn along the banks of the Tigris River. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


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S. Army Csm. Salvador Martinez from Bayamon, Puerto Rico, belonging to the 1st Battalion 22nd Infantry Regiment of the 4th Infantry Divison receive their Combat Infantryman's badge from Ltc. Steve Russell, unseen, during a ceremony inside the battalion heaquarters at a former Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) palace in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown about 112 miles (180 kms) northwest of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites) on Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. (AP Photo Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


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OH-58D, Kiawa helicopter patrols the area around Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) 's hometown of Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. The US military has cracked down on insurgents amid attacks on the American-led coalition forces in the area. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


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Paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne distribute coalition flyers to dozens of Iraqi men who gathered near a coaltion checkpoint a safe distance away to watch soldiers conduct searches in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, Thursday, Nov 20, 2003. One flyer promised a $500 reward for anti-aircraft and other weapons handed over to authorities. Another had a picture of a family on one side with a warning in Arabic that terrorism could kill indiscriminately. The other side had a picture of the aftermath of a blast. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


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Soldiers with the 82nd Airborne Division man a coaltion checkpoint in Fallujah, 65 km west of Baghdad, Thursday, Nov 20, 2003. Tension remains high in this Iraqi town as Fallujah has been the most dangerous place for U.S. troops since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime in April. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


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A plane belonging to international express courier DHL has made an emergency landing at Baghdad airport, the US military said, amid witness reports it had been hit by a surface-to-air missile(AFP/File/Romeo Gacad)


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An Iraqi policeman reads a note in Arabic and broken English that was found in a makeshift rocket launcher. The rocket launcher was abandonned in a street near the Italian embassy in Baghdad.(AFP/Patrick Baz)

[venture160]

how does the press find these insurgents and not the military I wonder...

[Vance]

That picture of the insurgents looks like a screen cap from a home-made video camera, not from the press.

[usa320]

If they do i find it disgusting that the press sits and films them shooting down airplanes instead of notifying coalition troops.

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GAY NEWS PEOPLE>

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[ArmedPacifist]

The plane being hit by a surface to air missle seems to be passed off as a foot note....

[Vance]

Because nobody died.

[He219]

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Crack Turkish troops rappel from a Black Hawk helicopter during Exercise Allied Response 2003

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A Belgian paratrooper exudes the pride and readiness of the NATO Response Force during Exercise Allied Response 2003.

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The first elements of NATO's new Response Force (NRF) demonstrated their capabilities in a mock crisis response operation held in Turkey on 20 November.

Elite troops from 11 NATO countries were deployed by air, sea and land to counter a fictional threat to UN staff and civilians from terrorists and hostile soldiers in a country outside the Euro-Atlantic area.


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The Coast Guard's Pacific Tactical Law Enforcement Team here trains at the Depot's rappel tower. Coast Guardsmen practice aboard the Depot before completing training at sea with vessels and helicopters.


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Petty Officer 3rd Class Ben S. Comorosky, Maritime Safety Security Team 91101 Seattle, slides down the rope and stops at the command of his instructor. Twelve other men from his station joined him in this course.


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A team lines up waiting for the go ahead to climb back up the ladders to the top of the rappel tower. After each person slides down, he backs up and awaits further instruction.

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Coast Guardsmen give thumbs up to their instructor after checking their safety equipment. They wear special gloves for sliding down ropes and then remove them after landing to draw weapons.

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Team 2 attempts to rappel down the rope and setup a perimeter within 30 seconds. Two teams compete against each other to see who can complete the mission faster.

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Two Marines with 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion clear a room at the Camp Pendleton, Calif. Military Operations in Urban Terrain facility Nov. 12, 2003. The fast-paced training included simulated paint rounds that marked those who were hit.

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Pfc. Travis W. Johnson, a crewman with 1st Light Armored Reconaissance Battalion, applies mud to his face before a patrolling exercise Nov. 12, 2003.

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Pfc. Travis W. Johnson takes cover while providing security during a patrolling exercise Nov. 12, 2003.The training was aimed at increasing proficiency in skills that will be used on a possible deployment to Iraq.

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BAGHDAD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, Iraq -- Tech. Sgt. Steven Klunk keeps a watchful eye for suspicious activity while on guard duty here Nov. 21. Klunk is a security forces member with the 447th Expeditionary Security Forces Squadron. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Lisa M. Zunzanyika)

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BAGHDAD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, Iraq -- Master Sgt. Bradley McKinney prepares a detonation site here, where seized ordnance and improvised explosive devices were destroyed, Nov. 15. McKinney is an explosive ordnance disposal technician with the 447th Air Expeditonary Civil Engineer Squadron. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Lisa M. Zunzanyika)

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BAGHDAD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, Iraq -- A detonation of seized ordnance and disarmed explosive devices is executed by the 447th Expeditonary Civil Engineering Squadron explosive ordnance disposal technicians here Nov. 15. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Lisa M. Zunzanyika)

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The US Air Force has tested a most powerful conventional bomb, dubbed the "mother of all bombs", in a test rangein Florida, reports Xinhua. The bomb dropped by an Air Force cargo plane, an MC-130 Combat Talon, and exploded at Eglin Air Force Base, producing a fiery blast and huge cloud, said Jake Swinson, a spokesman for the Air Armament Centre. (UD DoD)


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members of the International Security Assistance Force stand guard the Intercontinental Hotel after an explosion outside the hotel in Kabul, Afghanistan, Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. An explosion went off in the garden outside Kabul's Intercontinental Hotel, shattering windows and damaging a nearby wall but causing no casualties, authorities said. (AP Photo/Amir Shah)


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An Israeli soldier secures a road as ambulances drive away from the scene of a shooting incident in an Arab neighborhood on the outskirts of Jerusalem Saturday Nov. 22 2003.Two Israeli security guards were shot at close range and killed by gunmen while guarding equipment at a construction site near a section of a fence Israel is building along its frontier with the West Bank, police said. Three other security guards at the site were unhurt and returned fire at the attacker, who escaped.(AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)


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Members of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), set up defensive positions and prepare to move in during a mass air assault and raid on a village in search of weapons and smugglers near Qayyarah West, Iraq, Nov. 19, 2003. U.S. Army Photo by Sgt Justin Harris

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Members of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) search and question prisoners during a mass air assault and raid on a village in search of weapons and smugglers near Qayyarah West, Iraq, Nov. 19, 2003. U.S. Army Photo by Sgt Justin Harris

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Weapons and ammunition found by members of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) are inventoried by soldiers near Qayyarah West, Iraq, Nov. 19, 2003. U.S. Army Photo by Sgt Justin Harris

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A soldier from the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) offers a child dried bananas during a mass air assault and raid on a village near Qayyarah West, Iraq, Nov. 19, 2003. U.S. Army Photo by Sgt Justin Harris

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WEAPONS ROUNDUP — In ongoing efforts to confiscate illegal weapons, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment, inventory munitions found in Thalatat, Iraq, Nov. 19, 2003. U.S. Army photo by Spc. Jesse Artis

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An aerial photograph shows the destroyed yard of the British consulate in central Istanbul November 22, 2003. Four suicide bombers who killed more than 50 people in Istanbul during the past week were Turkish citizens, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said, as he attended the funeral ceremony of some those who killed in the bombings. *******/Hurriyet

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"A DHL plane took off from Baghdad airport this morning and was hit by a SAM-7 surface-to-air missile," said a military official who asked not to be identified.
"It caught fire, it turned around and came back to the airport where it safely landed. The fire was taken out. There are no injuries," he added.

[Ratamacue]

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/20031121185343/$file/prowl01lr.jpg

Is that an M16A1? The foregrip looks like it but the sight is an A2 design.

[Vance]

http://www.defendamerica.mil/images/photos/nov2003/essays/pi112103b4.jpg

Nice picture.

[Vance]

Oh, and the rifle on the bottom left of this picture, what is it? It looks like a K98. Freaking old rifle.

http://www.defendamerica.mil/images/photos/nov2003/essays/pi112103b7.jpg

[Ratamacue]

Looks to be a Mauser or a Mauser knockoff. I'm pretty sure the 98K was copied widely throughout the mid-east.

[He219]

The Mauser 98 is an all time excellent rifle. The bolt mechanism is modeled on most modern hunting rifles. They shoot very well, even nowadays... ;)

As for the M16 handguard looking like the A1, the upper receiver has windage adjustment. This is part of the expanded topic...

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2003112119580/$file/prowl05lr.jpg

Marines use simunition rounds in their M-16A2 service rifles. These simulated rounds fire paint as a projectile.

:D

[fantassin]

For those who think that France is trying to undermine NATO:

List of the units that took part in ALLIED RESPONSE 03:

-One Co from 1er Régiment de Chasseurs Parachutistes (FR)
-One Pn from 17° Régiment de Génie Parachutiste (FR)
-One 120 mm Mortar Pn from 35° Régiment d'Artillerie Parachutiste (FR)
-One Mistral MANPADS parachute Pn from 57° Régiment d'Artillerie (FR)
-Two teams from the HALO Groupe de Commandos Parachutistes (FR)
-Two Transall C160 aircrafts (FR)
-One Pn from the 1er Bataillon para (BE)
-Two A 109 helos (BE)
-One EOD team (PL)
-One NRBC team (CZ)
-One Spanish-Italian Marine Pn
-Three AAV7A1 (SP)
-LPD Castilla (SP)
-2 SH-3 Helos (SP)
-1 Airmobile Squad (GR)
-1 C130 (GR)
-1 SF Squad (TU)
-1 UH60 (TU)
-2 F16 (TU)
-2 Tornado (GE)
-1 P3C Orion (NO)
-1 Nimrod MPA (UK)

By very far the largest contingent was French. No US troops (of course, they are busy fighting a real war, no bitching there...), no UK troop except a fly past by the Nimrod (same comment...).

Just goes to show that there is more than listening to FOX News propaganda about France trying to "weaken" NATO. Providing over 60% of the ground troops for an exercise is a strange way of "weakening" NATO...

[hood]

So am I reading you right? They'll send their troops on exercises where nobody fires back, but when the bullets are real, they're nowhere to be found?

[steel bonnet]

Ahh though the key word there is EXERCISE.

It`s not often France actually fullfills it`s roles,apart from the Franco German one & that`s only through fear

As for the media,well l`ve mentioned that before. There the greatest threat to our forces. Happy to pass on ALL Western Info if/when they aquire it,though when it comes to the Terrorists,they go out of there way to protect them.

Ja
Steel Bonnet

[fantassin]

When you have no answer, use sarcasm....I am surprised no to read "Oh yeah, and the Germans conquered France in 1940"...

Use facts !

BTW, there has been for the past 5 months over 200 French SF operators on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border and the US Command has praised their efficiency, asking for more and for there stay to be extended.

France has always said it would not go to Irak as long as it was not a UN run show. Period. There is nothing military in that.

[fantassin]

It'snot often France fulfills its roles...that's funny...

-1997 FR evacuation of Westerners from Brazzaville, Congo, including dozens of Brits and Americans
-2003 FR evacuation of Westerners from Ivory Coast (there were 50 US troops and 2 Hummers for the pictures and....4000 FR troops)
-2003 FR evacuation of Westerners from Liberia, including US and Brits once again...official praises from the US State Dpt trough clenched teeth...

The main reason the UK is in Iraq is that without the "special relationship" it looses:

-Its nukes provided by the US
-Its Echelon intelligence access
-All the NRO intelligence
-and so on and so forth

France is independent in all those fields, at a high price but yes, independent. The UK is not, it's only a nuclear power if the US agrees. The day the "special relationship" is gone, gone are the nukes and the rest.

Have you seen "Love actually"; good film, especially when Hugh Grant tells the US President off to the cheering of the crowd. Could it be shape of things to come?

[hood]

What's needed is increased military presence in Iraq to help curb the remaining resistance fighters. Not in 6 months or next year, right now. Where is France, right now? With the long list of other countries that have sent troops, and their presence directly requested by the Iraqi leaders that have been established thus far, using the excuse about how much control by what group basically means that it's not going to happen before Iraqi self rule takes place by June of next year; when unfortunately far more innocent Iraqis are going to be dead that might have been preventable with a larger military presence. Take care of the problem now, and work out the details after they're in place. Everything else is political wrangling and shallow excuses. The Polish troops were designated a section of the country and they're doing very well with it. Would they suddenly do better if they were under larger UN control? Do you really think the foot soldier on the street cares at all?

[fantassin]

I see your point. Problem is, with all the flack that's been going over the Atlantic over the past year, this is just not going to happen.

No amount of arm twisting is going to work on this one.

Secondly, France has been the colonial ruler of several Arab countries for 132 years and we have the experience of what happens in those cases. They don't want you, the Poles (who, BTW, held a meeting last week to see how they could actually pull out if things keep on heating up) or us in Iraq, for love nor money.

How much would you like to have your house raided in the dead of night by iraki troops whose explanation is that they are doing this for your good and to protect freedom?

We used to rule Algeria; when we were there, we were, like any colonial master, exploiting the country; but they had roads, hospitals, trains, schools, social services...all the things you are trying to set up now in Iraq. But to no avail; they'd love, I am sure, to emigrate on an individual basis to the US; but they'll also die one after the other to push any non arab soldier out of their country.

All the rest is litterature; you can accuse the French of everything for all we care; it's actually very good for national cohesion and it shows whoever is trying to convince you is running out of argument.

Instead you should try to see what can be improved, stop dividing the western world with your cowboy antics and start working on repairing the bridge between America and Europe.

[hood]

Mending these rifts won't happen as long as people such as yourself continue to talk to us in a condescending manner and use words like 'cowboy antics' that are simply inflammatory.

[fantassin]

"Cowboy antics" was the title of a "mail to the editors' " chapter in the Daily Mail (UK) last March...

Call it the way you see fit; let's just say "heavy handed tactics" for the sake or a civilized discussion. Unless you think heavy artillery and F/A 18 are small arms.

But don't go thinking I am rejoicing at what's happening in Irak; we are much closer to Irak than you ever will be; Turkey is now attacked, The Balkans could be next in line, and then who? Germany with its five million Turks? France with its six million arabs? the UK with it's mix of Pakistanis and arabs?

My only wish is to see the US succeed in Irak; there will be a couple of years of "I told you so", but nothing we can't cope with. Unfortunately, with the way things are being handled, I can't see it happen. And France's presence wouldn't change a thing.

[hood]

France's presence wouldn't change a thing.

If you were to pull the Polish or British troops out of their designated sections of the country, it would cause big problems. Another major force in the region would most certainly help things.

[fantassin]

I really don't think so because it would be seen as just another US puppet that's been bullied into joining the Coalition.

Look at it this way; all the US's major European contributors are currently facing an uphill struggle against their public opinion. In Spain, Italy and even the UK the population is either overwhelmingly or just in majority opposed to the presence of their troops in Irak. So what incentive would there be to join a US led Coalition and be associated with a US administration that currently crawls under at least 75% of the world's skin?

As long as the rules (i.e the UN, not the US calls the shots) aren't changed, I can't see what western gvt in its right mind would commit to such a quagmire. That would be a political suicide; in the UK, Blair is only saved by the fact his political opponents have been so mediocre.

You always picture the French as arrogant; they have painted last March the exact picture of what's happening now and now you think they are again arrogant because they don't fancy joining the situation they have never agreed with from the beginning.

Do you fancy sending US troops or SWAT teams to Corsica to help us against the Corsican terrorists? after all, they traffic drugs that could end up in the US, so it's also your problem...that's the same sort of logic on a smaller scale.

[Chris1]

Sorry Hood, must disagree.
No nation in the world is obligated to send its young men to die ANYWHERE
Full stop
End of.
Any Government can say at will
No, I don't believe we should risk mens lives here.
If the French leadership doesn't want to send its soldiers there, oh well.
They still are a major contributor to other deployments and bashing a country because its chosen to stay out of a conflict is not on in my opinion.

[Roger Rabbit]

Erm you want to try and quote some statistics on public opinion? OH and remember when a newspaper carries out a survey its not exactly the most reliable of things. Daily Mail is a fiction newspaper just like the Sun the Mirror and most of the others, they write to attract a certain type of reader not to tell people the truth, their aim is to sell newspapers.

Quagmire? You want to take a look at the whole of Iraq not just the parts you read about in newspapers. I mean who wants to read about daily life being normal in certain areas when you can read about a plane being attacked with a SAM or suicide bombings. I see the headlines right now.

Boy Gets Water For Family- 1 newspaper sold(bought by Anglia Waterboard Owner :lol: )

Suicide Bombings and Aircraft shot at with missile- lots of newspapers bought.

If you want to try and claim that Iraq(it's spelt Iraq not Irak, unless Irak is the French spelling but then and again you are writing in English but thats besides the point) is a quagmire and French troops will have no effect(although in Afganistan they're doing so well the Americans want more) and will only cause France to be attacked by terrorists then you probably read and believe too much of the media. At a guess i would say your in France and looking at French media. Now as i said before the media is designed in most cases as a commericial business to sell itself. Therefore i would be guessing that any French media that tells the complete an absolute truth about what is going on in Iraq is going to be a)Very boring B)Unpopular with the anti-war brigade and c)have way too little time to do all of that. So at a guess then i would say the French media is looking to attract public viewings etc by reporting what the public wants to hear. Which would be all the bad stuff and a "we told you so" attitude.

[Argyll]

The only people who know whats going on in Iraq are those there!!
None of us sitting here are getting the full picture,and the MOD and the DOD sure as hell are not going to compromise the current situation are they,the media are there to sell their papaers nothing more nothing less,the networks are there to get the scoops.
When is the last time we saw a televised briefing from the MOD or the DOD,to counter claim all the negatives?
Positives don't sell papers guys,the negatives do,and as long as the individuals buy these papers then they're supporting it!!I like to keep an open mind as to whats going on,and it is not the media that makes up my mind it is me,myself!!

Oh and Rupert the Public support in the UK is definately sliding,and they're pissed off because good old Pinnochio Blair sold the war on Parliament ,and on the people on a lie,he only narrowly defeated the rebels against the war,it was not a majority!There were many in the services who felt that the war was wrong,but they folloewd oders.

[fantassin]

I actually travel a lot and have cable TV so my views are a mix of intakes; true each side has an agenda but it's rather difficult to support the concept that the war in Iraq is hugely popular with Europeans...

I have been to the UK at least half a dozen time this year; the general feeling is "support the troops" because soldiers are generally the last to chose to go to war (see how Powell tried everything to avoid OIF); but it's also a feeling of tiredness at the fact that Blair is always doing what he's told by the US. It goes down badly with a people as independent minded and as resilient as the Brits. Hence my reference to "Love actually"... BTW I saw it in a US theatre and nobody thought that part was funny; I'd be interested to see it in a UK high street theatre...

[Roger Rabbit]

From the people i know then nobodies attitudes towards the war has changed. The people i know who supported the war still support it and visa versa. Can't speak for the overall public opinion though.

[fantassin]

Rupert, with such a name, you have to be an officer... ;) Have you taken the Queen's Shilling yet ?

But I do agree with you; noboy wants to be proven wrong so positions are hard to change and it's never nice admiting failure.

Being in frequent contact with the British Army, the overall mood still has changed from the joy of the end of the war to the grim prospect that Telic is here to stay at least for another three years and probably more while budgets will certainly be reduced drastically in the same period (see the proposed reduction in the size of the future British aircraft carrier).

[Roger Rabbit]

I aim to become an Officer. Currently at Uni and in the UOTC. I have seen numerous surveys where the opinions are pretty much set at 50:50 and that seems to be pretty much the same for my friends.

[fantassin]

Did Cambrian Patrol this year? have to try and beat Leeds UOTC which got a gold last year and a silver this year....

What Regiment or Corps do you want a Commission in?

[Roger Rabbit]

I would like to start off in Infantry and then maybe move to a different area of the Army. Haven't decieded on Regiment just yet, looking at doing a attachment next year. Its my first year so i didn't do Cambrian but maybe next year.

Gold :o thats damn good. From what i was told only the Paras the RMs got a gold this year.

[khukuri]

http://www.nato.int/pictures/2003/031120b/s031120at.jpg

1:What cind of grenade launcher is that?

2: Are theese steal helmets or kevlar, looks like old steal.

[Haiw]

If they do i find it disgusting that the press sits and films them shooting down airplanes instead of notifying coalition troops.

:bash:

GAY NEWS PEOPLE>
gee wizz are you really that stupid that you don't understand their neutrality?!?!

[hood]

Yeah that's what Daniel Pearl thought.

[He219]

http://www.nato.int/pictures/2003/031120b/s031120at.jpg

1:What cind of grenade launcher is that?

2: Are theese steal helmets or kevlar, looks like old steal.

1) Un-Loaded LRAC 89mm F1 (http://www.gunsite.narod.ru/lrac_f1.htm) (See Hi-Res (http://www.nato.int/pictures/2003/031120b/b031120at.jpg))
http://koti.mbnet.fi/wolfman/legion/lrac89.jpg

2) FRANCE F1S2-shell (http://www.gostak.demon.co.uk/helmets/FRANCE_f1_shell_JPG_view.htm) (I do believe it is steel (http://www.gostak.demon.co.uk/helmets/FRANCE_f1_JPG_view.htm))
http://www.gostak.demon.co.uk/helmets/FRANCE_f1_shell_tm1.jpghttp://www.gostak.demon.co.uk/helmets/FRANCE_f1_tm1.jpg

With typical camo cover - the dark strip is a rubber edging that grips the rim of the helmet.
This green-painted F1 is a later production model, with significant differences to the camo-painted example above.


Definately some old stuff ..

;)

[fantassin]

Since they did a static-line jump to insert on the exercise zone, they used old LRAC 89 for the demonstration.(instead of the normal AT4 that are live ammunition and cannot be used on a demonstration like this one that did not include live fire).

On operations, the Spectrashield helmet is worn.