video tank vs car [Archive]

Pille1234

11-22-2003, 10:04 PM

http://www.derkosmischetodesstrahl.de/pictures/tank_vs_car.avi

plz tell me that this is a fake. I would'nt belive it, if I had'nt seen it with my own eyes. I can' belive this is true, I won't belive it.

US Soldiers wonder why more and more iraqi people love to kill them? :bash:

Vance

11-22-2003, 10:17 PM

Maverick77

11-22-2003, 10:31 PM

If that isnt fake then I bet that one ****in stupid thing there added all those guys to the resistance.

ßå$tÄ®Ð¢HÏ¿ð

11-22-2003, 10:34 PM

damn thats ****in cruel all over a few pieces of wood??? **** those guys should feel ashamed for doing something like that...especially cause the dudes a taxi driver and that was his lively hood.

ibstolidude

11-22-2003, 11:09 PM

with out even watching I know what incident this is...

I hate questioning the man on the ground...and arm chair quarterbacking the 20 second news clips that some asshole uses to summize his/her opinion of the war/soldiers...but damn it is hard to watch this in any light other than calling it ****ed up wrong.

ChuckThunder

11-22-2003, 11:36 PM

ßå$tÄ®Ð¢HÏ¿ð

11-22-2003, 11:48 PM

Hopefully he has a new taxi by now so he can continue to work n make money. Also besides during the looting there was alot more looters that they should have been worrying about (i.e. people stealing Iraq's history by raiding art work/museums).

MarineSniper8541

11-23-2003, 12:00 AM

Something you guys need to consider...

Although the load they had was just some wood, whom did it belong to? How much of a part of the person's livelyhood was it that it was stolen from? How do we know that this was the only thing these people had looted? How do we know that they had not already looted previously and not yet been caught? How do we know that if they had not been caught looting the lumber, that they would not have gone back out to loot and steal more of other people's livelyhoods?

The owner of that cab knew the risks when he decided to steal from people. How many other people do you think saw that car get crushed and said to themselves, "Damn, I dont think I'll take my car out stealing again after all. I need my car and they just crused that guy's"

Think outside the box guys. In many countries they simply shoot looters. So the guy is out a car. Big deal. At least he is still alive.

96B

11-23-2003, 01:11 AM

I can honestly say that video shocked me...

Hard to believe that they are criminalizing a Colonel who did what he thought was needed to save lives, and look at this incident. Of couse on the other side of the token, there could be many things about this that we do not know.

wholagun

11-23-2003, 01:18 AM

I can understand how you guys can support the actions of US soldiers, you being American, but what they did was stupid :roll: . That was overkill, they did not need to shoot that car!! What was the point of shooting the car? :cantbeli: Did that one soldier ask why the child isn't at school, I wasn't able to make it out. If he did, :cantbeli: .
That was mean on the part of the soldiers, looting or not, you don't drive over someones car, you just piss them off in the long run.

wholagun

11-23-2003, 01:20 AM

Hard to believe that they are criminalizing a Colonel who did what he thought was

So he is being charged for his actions is that it?

Can you explain what you mean by
needed to save lives

Skaman

11-23-2003, 01:49 AM

that was horrible. To shame. I hope further incidents like this are not going on behind the lines.

springwheat

11-23-2003, 03:18 AM

Better than being shot or fed into a woodchipper, I would imagine.

hood

11-23-2003, 05:46 AM

It's interesting to see that video come full circle. I was the one who originally digitized it and put it up via bit torrent back in October. Now it comes back. :)

It was from the Frontline special mentioned here. I put up another video from that special also.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4345&highlight=frontline

Trident-za

11-23-2003, 06:06 AM

I can't see the clip - is there some new codec I need to download for this?

Upfrontreporting

11-23-2003, 06:51 AM

what a bunch of ****heads, this is the kind of cowboy acting that shames other units that do a hard job under difficult circumstances,

I hope these guys are getting court martialled. :roll:

superpeltor

11-23-2003, 07:03 AM

This is a war. Sometimes people do weird stuff. Over reacting? YES. Was it necessary? Who knows, maybe it was. I've seen and heard a lot worth than this by American soldiers in the past. At least, they didn't kill anyone for stolen woods. Again, this is a war. Stronger ones can do anything. (you know this is TRUE!) People do strange things in the war.

We get to see a lot of things because of media.

This is a war, terrible but true.

Sad...

superpeltor

11-23-2003, 07:11 AM

Probably, they didn't try to talk or understand what people were trying to say... I read this is a big problem in Iraq. Not too many people can understand or speak their language. American soldiers need to learn more with dealing with civilian poeple. This ain't Vietnam war. That was almost 40 years ago. Isn't it time to imporve?

Smintjes

11-23-2003, 07:26 AM

That's some cutthroat policing!

Hrvoje

11-23-2003, 08:24 AM

Pic from 1991.

http://www.sf.hr/osijek/tenkfico.gif

Steve Andrews

11-23-2003, 08:27 AM

They will reap what they sow.

hood

11-23-2003, 08:53 AM

Under Saddam, they wouldn't put your car under the tank, they'd put YOU under the tank.

Trident-za

11-23-2003, 09:45 AM

I have not been able to see the clip (it freezes the image after about 10 seconds, although the audio continues)..... but, I am somewhat shocked to see how some people are prepared to come up with excuses for this behaviour. I get the feeling that some Americans are prepared to rationalize ANYTHING their soldiers do.

Yes, it's a war and stupid/terrible things get done by people on both sides in any war - that doesn't make it right.... this sort of rubbish is despicable no matter who does it, or why. (my opinion, obviously :))

IDFM203

11-23-2003, 10:27 AM

I get the feeling that some Americans are prepared to rationalize ANYTHING their soldiers do.
on the same token I get the feeling that a lot (not all)of you are ignoring the other 99% of soldiers that are very professional and are just trying to do their jobs the best they can in those types of circumstances that they face, and instead focusing on one or two morons.

I have not seen that video for like you I am also having problems viewing it, but these charges that some Americans are rationalizing everything has for me the opposite side whereas it seems like you (I don’t mean you personally) are always ignoring the rest of the 99% but yet painting a wide brush at that 99 percentile due to the actions of one or two morons.

shalom :D

Vance

11-23-2003, 10:31 AM

Okay, even though it was a stupid thing to do - seeing that car get crushed by the tank was pretty cool.

Trident-za

11-23-2003, 10:34 AM

Well I'm glad you don't mean me personally :)

I agree with what you say - the majority of the US soldiers are not like the morons in the clip. It would be wrong to use this one incident to suggest that all US troops are doing this kind of thing.

Macs.

11-23-2003, 11:22 AM

The owner of that cab knew the risks when he decided to steal from people. How many other people do you think saw that car get crushed and said to themselves, "Damn, I dont think I'll take my car out stealing again after all. I need my car and they just crused that guy's"

No, this guys think "This damn american invaders, we have to kill them !" and the next day you see this guy with a RPG-7...

This is the wrong way to liberate a country, you will just raise hate.

Claymore

11-23-2003, 12:09 PM

That was far from winning Hearts and Minds.

MaCV-SOG

11-23-2003, 01:54 PM

You know what....

It wasnt that bad its just a car, they could've looted another car for all we know.

96B

11-23-2003, 02:08 PM

If you think about it the media could easily have completely made up the part about him being a taxi driver and there would be absolutely no way to dispell the claim. It is very easy for the media to put a spin on anything they videotape and people immediately take it to heart.

If what we saw in the video was the entire story which Im not so sure it is, then it is most certainly wrong and not the way our soldiers need to be conducting themselves over there. It is one thing to have tight security and in some cases step on the toes of the locals to ensure that our troops stay alive, but it is another thing to shoot up a mans car and then run it over right infront of him because he stole wood. On the same token, it is not my (or our) place to judge them because we are not there and the only side we are hearing is from the media.

In retrospect, I am shocked also that this video isnt all over the news around here, because it is perfect for the anti-war folks and beyond just politics it vilianizes our troops. I think it is safe to assume that this is obviously an isolated event because if anything like this went on elsewhere and was videotaped by CNN etc then it would instantly be put on the air and shown over and over again.

hood

11-23-2003, 02:43 PM

This guy won't hate america because they crushed his car. You forget that he and his bunch was already a criminal. It says that car was his livlihood, well that WOOD was the original victim's livelihood. I guess the problems of the criminal come first. Crushing a guy's car is hardly something new. Sure not crushing, but there are quite a few offenses here in the US where they'll take your car permanently such as drunk driving where you'll never see it again. That they crushed it was just a different way of taking your car away. This time it was wood; who knows what else this group of thieves stole last time. Remember that this video was taken several months after the looting in Iraq had mostly subsided. The guys were the remaining few criminals out there.

Trident-za, go grab the latest divx codec from divx.com. That'll take care of that freezing problem.

http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX511Bundle.exe

Trident-za

11-23-2003, 02:50 PM

Thanks Hood, works fine now.

ßå$tÄ®Ð¢HÏ¿ð

11-23-2003, 05:14 PM

Either way the wood wasnt important because they didnt take it off the roof of the car when they did run it over :roll:
Why was there a need also to shoot the car??? Like running it over with a tank isnt bad enough, they decide to shoot it first... :cantbeli:

Minjin

11-23-2003, 05:54 PM

Maybe it's just me, but they seemed a little too happy to put on the show for the camera. A bit too pleased with themselves. Now I have to say that I don't mean to generalize, I think, as has been stated, that 99.9% (give or take a bit, lol) of the soldiers over there are very professional, but these guys seem a bit too excited, like they only did it because the cameras were rolling.

And shooting it/backing over it was DEFINITELY overkill.

hood

11-23-2003, 06:31 PM

2 things, first, it's good that the soldiers were taking pride in their work, and secondly, that car would have come back to life unless they made sure to defile it completely.

Macs.

11-23-2003, 06:59 PM

and secondly, that car would have come back to life unless they made sure to defile it completely.

I wanna see how you can reapair a car wich has been overrun by a tank. Even if you support the Iraq war (what I do, too) and the US Soldiers you have to admit that this action was just dumb.
They didn't even save the stolen wood, where is the sense of this action ? They just did ruin the life of the taxidriver and his family, and raise the hate of the iraqi people.

Ratamacue

11-23-2003, 07:05 PM

They didn't even save the stolen wood, where is the sense of this action ? They just did ruin the life of the taxidriver and his family, and raise the hate of the iraqi people.

US police can't save the stolen life of a murdered person, but they can ruin the life of that person but taking away their job and putting them in prison. Maybe the situation is more extreme but the same logic applies.

Chris1

11-23-2003, 07:25 PM

I have two problems with this
1) They did it all in front of the camera's
2) They did it all in front of the camera's

hood

11-23-2003, 08:27 PM

What's wrong with doing it in front of the cameras? If you're going to make a scene, be seen. As for the defile thing, that was said with sarcasm.. I forgot the correct smiley next to it.

Fioraon

11-23-2003, 08:36 PM

Why not shoot the car before you're going to run it over? Big deal, I would have pulled out my gun and went at it too. Thats the fun part of the job, shooting **** (not people mind you.) As for running the car over well maybe it was over kill but people were crying when nothing was happening now they cry when shown that something is happening. The cameras were there to make an example. To bad he lost his car to make it though, luck of the draw but I dont feel a damn bit sorry for him. I'm sure he learned.

FYI: in the states being called a Cowboy isn't a bad thing, pic another.