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Seraphim
11-23-2003, 10:53 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031123/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_protests&cid=518&ncid=716


By MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI, Associated Press Writer

TBILISI, Georgia - Some military units began to join tens of thousands of opposition protesters dancing and singing in the streets of Georgia's capital Sunday as support for President Eduard Shevardnadze showed cracks and the opposition urged its followers to seize more levers of power.


The drive to oust Shevardnadze grew bolder as the defense minister acknowledged that the president was no longer in control of this tiny Caucasus nation and said that, for now, the military would not intervene, a day after opposition protesters seized parliament and declared a new, interim government.


More than 50,000 boisterous opposition supporters celebrated in the square outside parliament Sunday, with more streaming in. Protesters sang soulful Georgian folk songs, danced and waved flags.


Demonstrators embraced a unit of 50 Defense Ministry soldiers who arrived in the square to join the opposition movement. Protesters heaved some of the soldiers into the air in jubilation.


Independent Rustavi-2 television showed another unit, this one of 120 National Guard troops, mingling with the protesters. The soldiers' unidentified commander said the troops pledged loyalty to the interim president named by the opposition, Nino Burdzhanadze.


With Shevardnadze refusing to step down, Russia's foreign minister shuttled between the beleaguered president and his opponents, seeking a peaceful way out of the impasse. He told Georgian television that he hoped the two sides would sit down for face-to-face talks.


The United States has kept a neutral stance, saying only that both sides should avoid violence.


Russia and the United States both fear instability in the ex-Soviet republic, strategically located on the borders of Russia and Turkey, between the oil-rich Caspian Sea and the ports of the Black Sea. Russia has military units stationed in Georgia. U.S. troops are also in the country on a counter-terrorism mission, training Georgian forces to uproot Islamic insurgents from neighboring Chechnya (news - web sites) who take refuge in Georgia's mountainous terrain.


The political crisis reached a new peak Saturday when the opposition broke into parliament and took it over, saying the Nov. 2 elections that chose the new body were rigged. Burdzhanadze, an opposition figure and speaker of the outgoing parliament, proclaimed herself acting president until early elections in 45 days.


Shevardnadze, the country's president for the past decade, was chased from the parliament chamber and later, with the backing of his head of police, declared a state of emergency.


Shevardnadze went on state television Sunday and said he was willing to meet the opposition. But he said that if they did not abandon the parliament building, he would take steps to enact the state of emergency he announced Saturday.


But while the interior minister — in charge of internal security forces — has pledged to follow the president's orders. There were signs of spilts in the security ranks.


"Not a single soldier or policeman will obey Shevardnadze's orders to fire at people," protest leader Mikhail Saakashvili told the crowds massed outside parliament Sunday.


He urged the protesters to seize the Interior Ministry if Shevardnadze tries to convene a new parliament there. He also called on them to begin ousting local administrators appointed by Shevardnadze and take control of state television, which he accused of airing "pro-Shevardnadze propaganda."


In a signal of faltering loyalties in Shevardnadze's inner circle, his international legal affairs adviser Levan Alexadze defected to the opposition.


"Maybe Georgia has a legitimate president, but Nino Burdzhanadze is a real president," he told Rustavi 2 television.


Shevardnadze also sacked Tedo Dzhaparidze, his top security aide, who on Friday publicly acknowledged fraud in they elections and called for a new vote, the president's office said.





On Saturday night, Rustavi-2 television broadcast a statement from Col. Kote Danelia, the commander of a motorized brigade, who said he would not obey if ordered to move against protesters.

Defense Minister David Tevzadze declared that he remained loyal to Shevardnadze but acknowledged the president was not in control.

"There is a legitimate government, but parallel to that there exists an organ, I don't know how to call it, which is controlling developments," Tevzadze said.

He called for a political solution to the stand-off, saying the military would not resort to force — and had not been ordered by Shevardnadze to put down the opposition.

"On the contrary, I have received warnings that there should be no action that could lead to bloodshed," he told reporters. "The state of emergency doesn't envisage the use of military force to establish order."

"The army believes it necessary to establish a regime that would ensure citizens' safety until the situation is settled," he said. "The army will monitor developments, and if the situation spins out of control it will fulfill its constitutional duty."

Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov met with opposition leaders and then sat down with Shevardnadze at a government residence on the outskirts of Tbilisi. After those talks he went back to the opposition for more talks.

"It's necessary to bring the developments into the constitutional framework and avoid provocations," Ivanov told the crowd of opposition protesters. "Russia won't intervene in the situation in Georgia."

The opposition has pressed Shevardnadze to step down immediately instead of waiting until 2005, when his term ends. The elections, which the United States also criticized as fraudulent, became a tipping point for a population fed up with the poverty, corruption and crime that have dogged Georgia for more than a decade.

Pandy
11-23-2003, 12:51 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20031123/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_protests_67


TBILISI, Georgia - Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze announced his resignation live on Georgian television on Sunday.

"I realized that what is happening may end with spilled blood if I use my rights," he said. "I have never betrayed my people and I decided that I should resign."

Asked where he was going to live, Shevardnadze said, "At home."

News of the reported resignation sparked roars and cheers and excited dancing among the tens of thousands of opposition supporters gathered outside the parliament building, which the opposition seized a day earlier, forcing Shevardnadze to flee the building as he attempted to open the first session of the new parliament elected in the widely denounced Nov. 2 voting.

Throughout the day Sunday, the crowd in front of parliament grew to some 50,000 people, dancing and singing. Some soldiers defected and joined the protests, embraced and lifted into the air by jubilant demonstrators.

Shevardnadze threatened to enforce a state of emergency order if the protesters did not leave parliament. But the defense minister said Sunday the military would not intervene in the standoff.

The resignation came after opposition leader Mikhail Saakashvili went to Shevardnadze's residence and delivered an ultimatum: resign or face a mass march on the home.

"We will go and take the last presidential residence," Saakashvili told protesters before the visit, claiming "almost the entire army has taken the opposition side."

Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov joined Saakashvili at the residence, though he left without speaking to reporters. He spent Sunday shuttling between the president and the opposition, trying to resolve the country's political crisis.

"The president has accomplished a courageous act," Saakashvili said afterward on television. "By his resignation, he avoided spilling blood in the country ... History will judge him kindly."

Saakashvili said opposition leader Nino Burdzhanadze would serve as acting president until new elections are held. Zhvania said that parliamentary elections would be held within 45 days.

The controversial Nov. 2 elections, which official results called a victory for pro-Shavardnadze parties but which the United States said were tainted by "massive fraud," became a tipping point for a population fed up with the poverty, corruption and crime that have dogged this nation of 5 million people for more than a decade.

Russia and the United States both fear instability in Georgia, strategically located on the borders of Russia and Turkey, between the oil-rich Caspian Sea and the ports of the Black Sea. Russia has military units stationed in Georgia. U.S. troops are also in the country on a counter-terrorism mission, training Georgian forces to uproot Islamic insurgents from neighboring Chechnya (news - web sites) who take refuge in Georgia's mountainous terrain.


This is going down hill real quick.

Roger Rabbit
11-23-2003, 12:56 PM
Georgia has a history of fighting. I read a book called War Junkie by a ITN cameraman Jon Steele. It begins by mentioning his time spent in Georgia in the early 1990's or late 1980s(havent got the book with me so can't be specific). As i remember then Shevardnadze was on the verge of losing power and the capital Tbilisi was under attack and being shelled. Still he manage to regain control so it could happen again.

earl
11-23-2003, 07:48 PM
This is going down hill real quick.

Bloodless coup that ousted a corrupt president? Soldiers joining the peaceful opposition dancing and singing outside parliament?

I'll admit that I'm fairly ignorant about the situation, but none of that report sounds 'downhill' to me. Especially if the new government is solid enough to take full control and has the popular support of citizens, and gains support of other governments.

Marxist203
11-23-2003, 11:57 PM
This is starting to look real bad...I saw the protesters storm the parliament, though on the news they weren't quite clear on the exact reasons why the country is in such dis-rest, I'd appreciate if someone could fill me in.

earl
11-24-2003, 12:17 AM
Shevardnadze also sacked Tedo Dzhaparidze, his top security aide, who on Friday publicly acknowledged fraud in they elections and called for a new vote, the president's office said.


November 5, 2003

U.S. Embassy's' Statement on November's Parliamentary Elections in Georgia

The United States continues to monitor developments in Georgia's electoral process closely. Timely, transparent, and accurate tabulation and reporting of the vote count is essential to maintaining the credibility of Georgia's Parliamentary election and to restoring voter confidence.

The Central Election Commission's delay in providing a full and accurate vote count raises serious concerns in this regard, compounding other significant administrative and logistical problems.

The mismanagement and fraud of Georgia's November 2 parliamentary election denied many Georgian citizens their constitutional right to vote;

Voter lists were a serious problem, with tens of thousands of voters missing from the voter registry on election day;

Altered ballots and precinct protocols were another problem which resulted in a lack of public confidence in the integrity of the electoral process. In a democracy, the right of every eligible voter to cast his or her ballot and to have that ballot counted honestly is paramount.

The Central Election Commission should do everything possible to correct election day errors now, during tabulation of votes, by throwing out most egregious cases of fraud.

Ambassador Miles has asked to meet with President Shevardnadze today to discuss U.S. concerns and to urge him to take all steps necessary to restore voter confidence to this process.

We are counting on President Shevardnadze to ensure the integrity of this election, and thereby bolster the partnership between our two countries.



Protesters said they were fed up with poverty and political corruption, including elections three weeks ago that were almost universally dismissed as rigged.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/11/23/georgia_031123



Personally, I support people who want an honest government, real democracy, and who are willing to force the resignation of a corrupt leader.

Going downhill? Starting to look bad? If they pull it off without a single death (and form an honest, accountable government leadership...) I think it would be a huge victory.