Spanish Regulares in Kosovo

[MARINO]

Regulares is a regiment created in 1911 for Africa war(Spanish war in Morrocco) at first is was composed by Morroccan people who lived near Ceuta and Melilla, but after Morrocco was created soldiers were spanish(muslims and catholics).They still wear theis old traditional morrocan uniform and have morroccan tradition but they are also still spanish.
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[MARINO]

More pics of Regulares, Urban Training and real fire training

http://www.regulares.com/fuego01.jpg
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IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE GO TO www.regulares.com A GOOD WEBSITE, BUT IS IN SPANISH, AND YOU HAVE MORE PICS SOME OF THEM VERY OLD FROM 1921 TO 2003

[khukuri]

interesting, so theyre all spanish today?

[MARINO]

We have today 2 regulares Tabores(because for regulares regiments are called Tabor) one in Ceuta and other in Melilla, this two towns are in north Africa in noth of Morrocco and they are totally spanish they were spanish even before Morrocco was created its two big cities of 70 000 unhabitants in african territory but with spanish sovereignty as many other ilands (ilands were regulares have some headquarters) as you should know after isla perejil crisis(you can see some pics in military photos). So in this city unhabitants are christians from iberian peninsula(were spain and portugal are)muslims who are from noth of morrocco(but they are spaniards and very patriotic people) jewish and even hindu people, this regiment is totally a spanish regiment and soldiers are all spanish, but with very different origins as you can see.But 60% have their origin in iberian peninsula.

[wholagun]

dumb question, can you in reality fire the G 36 with the stock folded. That would be good for close CQ combat.

Nice pics BTW.

[MARINO]

Yes you can if you want, but i think but i think that it ill very uncomfortable and un effectif, the only proble wit G-36 is that it is too long

[wholagun]

the only proble wit G-36 is that it is too long

I m not in the military nor have i ever seen or shot a G 36, but i can't see how that gun can be comfortable to hold. The gun is so long nad big. Maybe its just me.


Also, I already asked this is a differnt tread but Ill ask it again cause im curious and didn't get a response last time. I heard ppl talking about how the G36 may preform in hot desert conditions with sand sticking to the polymer bits and peieces. Anyone know if the Spaniards in Iraq have any complains or good things to say about the G36 in Iraq?

[MARINO]

I have a friend who is actully in irak, and they say that they have no problems with them, they work very well.They have had many combats with Iraki resistance and they have hurtand captured many of them.
In the other hand they had many problems with cougar(similar to super puma) helicopter(a french helicopter, all french military items are a real ****)

[morlick]

I have a friend who is actully in irak, and they say that they have no problems with them, they work very well.They have had many combats with Iraki resistance and they have hurtand captured many of them.
In the other hand they had many problems with cougar(similar to super puma) helicopter(a french helicopter, all french military items are a real ****)

Unlike Spanish, in France we have helicopters.
Spanish can't have problems with their "military items" because they don't have military items.
rofl

[kinghk]

In the other hand they had many problems with cougar(similar to super puma) helicopter(a french helicopter, all french military items are a real ****)

If it is ****, why did you buy it? There is plenty of helicopters on the market today to pick from.

[Marxist203]

I have a friend who is actully in irak, and they say that they have no problems with them, they work very well.They have had many combats with Iraki resistance and they have hurtand captured many of them.
In the other hand they had many problems with cougar(similar to super puma) helicopter(a french helicopter, all french military items are a real ****)

Unlike Spanish, in France we have helicopters.
Spanish can't have problems with their "military items" because they don't have military items.
rofl

French equipment is good...The Spanish make poor knock offs of things, like the G-36 and the Hummer. I dont like this stupid bull where people mock French equipment, because its top knotch.

[wholagun]

If it is ****, why did you buy it? There is plenty of helicopters on the market today to pick from.

It like the Britsh. They bought the LA80 thinking they were getting a good gun but well you know..

[MARINO]

You are wrong spain made his owne items,
aircrafts, c-212,c235,c295,c-101 saeta super saeta, a-400m
will be made in sevilla,
vehicles. Leopardo, BMR, VEC, mula mecanica, vamtac, etc...
and all our ship are spanish made,
guns c-90, lag40, cetme, 155
and countries like egypt, morrocco, saudi arabia, soutamerican countries(brazil venezuela chile, ecuador, etc..) and truekey USA,buy it
but we don't have the capability to made helicopter, and our pilots want to buy american, but our government want to buy french because is european, and they help us sometimes with ETA, the problen with superpuma is that in a hot place it have problems even to take off, in perejil uh1n were fster than superpuma and have a crash
fren military itmes are a **** less problems tham them and twoo superpumas were near to cras, so military itmes are a ****

[Royal]

It like the Britsh. They bought the LA80 thinking they were getting a good gun but well you know..

What the hell's an LA80?

[Lobo]

If it is ****, why did you buy it?

Politics!!! France have made Spain buy its defence equipment to get help in our fight against Basque terrorism. :fork:

The Spanish Army tested the Blackhawk and the SuperPuma and choose the first one. They got the SuperPuma.
The Spanish Army tested the Apache and... well.. the Tigre attack helicopter was just a project. They got the Tigre.

In the middle of the 70's Spain was in the verge of a war with Morocco due to the West Sahara. The Spanish Army needed a modern MBT. Germany refused to sell the Leopard I because our political system wasn't as democracy. So we got the French AMX-30.

The Spanish Marines have been able to choose their weapons systems without political bias, and curiosly have only a few French equipment. :)

[Loco]

I´d like having a discussion of a lower profile, if possible, for having fruitful conclusions at the end. About the G-36, is not the first time I read about if is a good weapon for a desert environment, I really don´t know if it´s but I wonder: why shouldn´t be G-36 a good gun for desert? Spanish military have a tradition of buying the best individual weapons for their infantry since many time ago, wether if we were rich or poor, it´s a question of self-confidence: you can have bad artillery, a crap transport or bad shoes, but if soldiers carry bad basic weapons, muskets before or rifles now, umm, I´m afraid you lost the battle before the beginning. In about 150 years, we only used 4 rifles: springfields, mausers, Cetmes C(7,62mm) and L(5,56mm) in this order, and except the last ones, they all were superb rifles, I´m sure if military switched in 15 years from spanish cetme L to german G-36, being the same caliber both weapons, the G-36 must do all the job they want of it, being in the desert or the jungle. About what Holagun asked, really Irak is the first "serious" war theater for G-36, and in a year we´ll can talk more accurately about G-36, but in Spain the biggest trainning fields are in the southeast, dry and dusty ranges, something similar to Irak I think, and the G-36 didn´t failed till now. Oh, I forgot it, but germans soldiers are in Afghanistan with their G-36 and there the weather is even more hard than in Irak, with torrid summers and glacial winters. I know spanish military organized a contest in which they were compared G-36, Famas, Galils, and others from Canada an USA, and they chose the rifle they liked more based in their professional preferences, without political or economic interferences. Possibly the G-36 isn´t THE BEST, but sure is the best for our necessity.
Once I said that before, I don´t know why Marino said french stuff is bad. It certainly isn´t. Still the spanish airforce must have a good amount of mirage F-1, a superb aircraft, and the armada some submarines built under french license, and so on we have military stuff from almost every american or european country. I know there is a kind of cold war between USA and France just know, that is reflected in the forum but this strictly between this 2 countries, then bad mouthing about France or USA is not our bussiness as spanish, we´re friends of both countries, actually, we´re friends of the most of the world and I hope things go on like this in the next future. Other thing more, spanish forces fortunately didn´t have "many" combats in Irak till now, only 2 or 3 shootings that were resolved professionaly and in a relatively clean way. I think irakis people don´t look to spanish soldiers as being so threatening as others, they are very careful of talking or asking people in a kind way, and if they feel some danger, they don´t shoot first and ask after. I think this is important if you want town people help you in spite of they helping terrorists, although if terrorists point towards you, I cross my fingers, you won´t evite the danger, but at least you won´t see irakis dancing in the streets around your deaths.
And about Marxist203, don´t you have enough? still showing us your ignorance? In Spain we neither make G-36 or Hummvees nor copy them, we just buy them, that´s all.
Morlick, I think you felt injured by Marino and I understand it, but in Spain we do really have "military items", not many like you make in France, it´s true, but the fact is we grew up over ruins without the help of Marshall Plan like France, GBritain of Germany did before. About helicopters, well, today we don´t make helos, but we´ve the industry for making helos and we´ll do them, that´s sure, and frenchs engineers know it. Btw, the best frenchs aces of I WWar flew in aircrafts powered by the best engine of all the war, the spanish Hispano-Suiza engine. Von Richthofen´d wished having had that spanish engine and perhaps he´d survived the war, but he only had german engineering. We do have a long tradition of making military stuff. ;)

[morlick]

I agree with your post Loco, it's true that it's boring to read everytime that the french are cowards, or that we are ****ing monkeys. Personnaly i'm not Jacques Chirac and it's not my fault if french gouvernement don't want to send troops in Irak.
Yes Marino maybe there are problemes with french helicopteres puma. But when you read the news or look at the tv, unfortunately we see that problemes of helicoptere does not arrive only in France.

[MARINO]

vous êtes français?
Mais les français font aussi des bonnes choses des navires comme les Lafayette(ok pas le Charles de Gaulle) et les AMX-30 est un bon tank et qui a servi a l'espagne tres bien especialement a la legion dans le sahara occidental.
:D The french make also good things as AMX-30 who serve spain very well, in occidental shara,with spanish legion
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE PICS? woot

[wholagun]

It like the Britsh. They bought the LA80 thinking they were getting a good gun but well you know..

What the hell's an LA80?

hhmmm good question, I don't know what a LA80 is myself. :cantbeli:

What I meant to say is SA 80 ;) . If there is further confusion then go to this site, this is the gun im talking about. http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/pw/pw_sa80.htm

[rafaelcb]

Just a few historic curiosities after reading the whole topic.

a) The submarine was pionnered by D. Narciso Monturiol and D. Isaac Peral, both Spanish Naval Engineers. In particular, Peral's submarine was the first such ship to be (sucessfully) autonomous underwater vehicle.

b) The helicopter as we know it today is derived from the 'autogiro' or 'gyrocopter' conceived and designed in the 20's by D. Juan de la Cierva , a Spanish (Civil) engineer. In a cruel joke, he died in a plane accident. Sykorsky designs evolved in the 30's after La Cierva's theoretical desings.

c) Not all french equipment is crap. In fact, most of it is excellent. One exception were the AMX-30 tanks which Spain was forced to use in the 60's becuse Britain forbid germany of selling Leopards-I to Spain. The Brits could do this since they manufactured the gun of the Leopard-I. I suppose the British were afraid of Spain invading Gibraltar with Leopards rofl

d) Today I read Spain's GDP has surpassed that of Canada. Not bad, after starting from 0.0 in 1939. And as someone said, there was no Marshall Plan for Spain. Why? Franco was stupid enough to declare himslef anti-communist, so the USA felt no need to help Spain in order to avoid it turning 'red'.

[lefador1]

No RafaelCB Franco was stupid enough to declare himself (or I should better reffer to that scumbag as itself) a FASCIST, hence rendering Spain the lone fascist country in Europe after both Italy and Germany had fallen. So basically we got screwed up the ass by Hitler and his bunch of merry men, and then we got even more screwed by the rest of the Europeans and the Americans. They pretty much shielded the borders and let the general population starve... which is how Americans usually believe Democracy comes into places -> let the civilians starve and somehow they will replace the dictatorship.

Later on, some bright person at the US dept of defense looked at a map, and realized that Spain was almost like the ideal aircraft carrier since it pretty much allows to control access to the mediterranean and the central-eastern Atlantic. So the Yanks overlook little details like the fact that they vowed to never co-operate with a Fascist regime (afterall that is why they went to war in Europe in the first place, so Fascism wasn't all that popular among Americans for obvious reasons). But I disgress, as I was saying all of the suddent in the mid late 50's the Yanks became Franco's new best buddies, and decided to consolidate his power with a meager economic aid... in exchange to let the Spaniards pretty much surrender their territorial sovereignity.. Spain became a massive US armed forces base. The official excuse for the Americans sudden change of heart was the fact that Franco was a proven Anti-Communist, again details like the fact that he was also an anti-democratic dictator were overlooked... since communism was obviously more important than the freedom and well being of a few million Spaniards.

So basically we were starved to death, and then we became the tools of the people who isolated us. Of course we also became the laughing stock of Europe, Northern Europeans find starving oppresed people quite amusing and laughable for some reason. For example, when thousands of Spaniards escaped to France after our civil war, instead of being greted by the French... they were actually put in concentration camps. Once the Germans came knocking they were forced to fight for the French. In fact most of the "resistance" in central and Southern France had a large group of Spanish fighters. At some point they realized they hated more the Fascist German pigs who had destroyed their country, than the dastardly French who had put them in detention camps. Long story short, at the end of the war the French quickly forgot the help the had got from those people, and a bunch of those Spanish refugees had to get the hell over to Mexico and other South American countries, where they were at least welcome. This is another great example of French gratitude.... and you can not label me anti-French, I am just stating historical facts. There is a big beef between the Spanish resistance veterans and the French government, especially when it comes to a) historical recognition, and b) the fact that French text books are now claiming a mostly French resistance effort with a cinch of Spanish cooperation. When in reality was the opposite, Spaniards with the help of a few French helped in the liberation of Southern France. But I assume the are waiting for most of those veterans to die off... oh, well.

As for French equipment being total utter ****e, well most of it indeed is utter dog crap. However when you are an isolated poor country, you do not have much in terms of choice when it comes to what and where you can get your equipment from. And the French are well know to sell anything to anyone, although in the end this is true for almost any country.

As for Spanish equipment, well the G36 is a descendant of the G-3 which was pretty much an updated copy of the Spanish designed CETME. Some of the equipment does indeed stink, but it is also because politics and favoritism sometimes come before the actual interest of the nation's defence and the needs of its soldiers. And sometimes better national products have to be ignored and foreign crap has to be adopted in order to comply with the pressures from the big boys in the EU, mostly the German-French axis. So once again, even though we are now a democracy in some terms we are Europe's little bitch. But in any case they will never take the fact that Spain actually pulled out of their collective hole ON THEIR OWN. We were the only western European country overlooked by the Marshal plan, so in some sense we owe nothing to nobody.

[morlick]

Poor boy,
Do you know the number of spanish who came in france to escape the dictatorship. You said they were all emprisonned, bull****. Many of their descendants are still living in France now.


they were forced to fight for the French
they were not forced to fight, some of them fought because of the German occupation.


You forgot that many french went to fight in spain with republicans.
The only thing true is that Franco was a stupid bastard like all dictators around the world.

[Loco]

Poor boy,
Do you know the number of spanish who came in france to escape the dictatorship. You said they were all emprisonned, bull****. Many of their descendants are still living in France now.


they were forced to fight for the French
they were not forced to fight, some of them fought because of the German occupation.


You forgot that many french went to fight in spain with republicans.
The only thing true is that Franco was a stupid bastard like all dictators around the world.
Of course they weren´t forced to fight fascism, noooo, hehe, I wish you were in the skin of a spanish republican in the France of 1939.
It seems as its oblied a discussion Spain/France, I think it´s unnecessary because there isn´t any question hanging between both countries today, even so, unfortunately you´re not right, Morlick and history is something we must take like it is even if we don´t like. First of all, about the half of international brigadist who came to Spain were frenchs or were living in France, may be about 16.000, that´s true. They came to Spain organized through the Kommintern, Leon Blum was prime minister then, but of course the survivors were under suspicion in 1939, when a more conservative government was ruling in Paris, remember that in january of 1939 Paris recognized the government of Franco, befor he won the war, and this decission fastened the end of the republic in april, and in fact the most of frenchs volunteers didn´t survive the IIWW, actually, they didn´t survive neither Franco nor Petain, who hated them even more than germans, in fact, the most of french population were very conservative. More than 300.000 republicans crossed to France through Perpignan and the Pyrinees in january, under the snow, soldiers, women and children, and all of them were concentrated in a camp(umm, concentration and camp together sounds badly, isn´t it?) in the beach of Argelés-Sur-Mere, without any roof over their heads, they were left naked in the sand in january, and all of them were vigilated by senegaleses shooters. All men were oblied to join "volunteers workers platoons" around the Maginot Line, and many others were forced to joining the Legion Etrangere, and of course the anarchists, reds and republicans who did it weren´t volunteers, any republican would be willing of joining a colonial force like that. This was the only way they had for leaving the concentration camp. They all wanted to fight again nazism, not being send to Syria or Indochina, it was a sarcasm because they were anti-colonialist. The only spanish who fought germans in the spring of 1940 were the forced workers, who took the weapons frenchs soldiers, and british soldiers, threw away. A big group resisted in Bretagne and could be evacuated to G.Britain, but british put them in a ship again and sent them to Bordeaux for doing what they didn´t what to do. When german took Paris and divided France, the most of republicans who flew away to Vichy were caught prisionners by the french gendarmerie and given to germans. The most of the 7.000 spanish who died in Mathausen were took prisionners by frenchs. Not to talk the big numbers of them who made unidades guerrilleras in the mountains around Auvergne who were seen as terrorists and revolutionaries by the french people. Until the end of 1942, the most of fighters of many resistant groups were foreigners: spanish, polish, armenians, jews of all europe, etc, and their main enemy were frenchs citizens and gendarmerie: they simply were "rojos", reds, dangerous people. Of course, opinions changed after 1943, specially after 1944 and suddenly all frenchs were members of resistence.