Poll predicts Bush reelection victory

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Survey suggests good news for the often criticised US president

US President George Bush would win a presidential re-election if it were held today, a new opinion poll has suggested.

The poll conducted by Time/CNN said if Bush were to run against former NATO commander and Democrat hopeful Wesley Clark, he would win by 49% to 42% of the votes.

A hypothetical contest against Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, would give Bush an even greater victory - 49% to 41%.

The sitting president would win 52% to 39% against former Vermont governor Howard Dean.

Saturday's poll, however, showed Dean to be leading the pack of nine Democratic hopefuls fighting for a party nomination to challenge Bush in the next elections.

Dean was said to leading with 14% of the Democratic vote, followed by Clark with 12% support.

The survey of 1300 registered voters had a margin of error of 2.7% points.

[NcDeuce]

I'm voting for Bush this coming election, unless http://www.theasc.com/magazine/oct99/quest/img10.jpg
decides to run.

[fred_engles]

We shall wait and see: it's still a year out from the election, and polls this early are notoriously inaccurate at predicting actual election results.

As for me, personally: The Democrat's could nominate a stale pizza, and if it was the candidate most likely to get bush out of office, I would totally vote for it.

Even if it ran with the smallpox virus as VP.

[This is where a smiley would go; if I didn't hate smileys]

[Deuterium]

As for me, personally: The Democrat's could nominate a stale pizza, and if it was the candidate most likely to get bush out of office, I would totally vote for it.

Even if it ran with the smallpox virus as VP.



And if the Democrats would have been allowed to steal the election in Florida that's exactly what we would have ended up with, God help us.

[Va_Dinger]

Lets wait and see how he does with Iraq getting no better for another year. Plus NO WMD found with over two years and hundreds of millions spent looking for them. I think this election will be "up for grabs"!

[Deuterium]

I'm just glad I'm in a solidly red state and not some swing state. In 92 I was stationed in NC and it was swing. You couldn't turn on a radio or a TV for the last 6 months without hearing a Democrat lie about this or that.

[wholagun]

I don't want Bush to win the election. I really hope he doesn't get re-elected, but im sure he will, through some sort of means not necessarily legal. But hey what stoped him for being President this time around eh... :roll:

[Jack Mehoff]

I don't want Bush to win the election. I really hope he doesn't get re-elected, but im sure he will, through some sort of means not necessarily legal. But hey what stoped him for being President this time around eh... :roll:

Can you vote? oh!! never mind p-)

[Ratamacue]

Honestly, I don't want Bush re-elected. I think the country needs a change of leadership that can maybe cater to both the US and the rest of the world. And we also don't need someone who is devoutly republican or democrat, we need someone who can express both sides on different issues.

Most of all, we need someone with balls like Bush (no pun intended).

[Nawlins]

Lets wait and see how he does with Iraq getting no better for another year. Plus NO WMD found with over two years and hundreds of millions spent looking for them. I think this election will be "up for grabs"!

Over two years huh. That's interesting, since we haven't even been in Iraq one year yet. Nice math there.

[StarvingStudent47]

It all hinges on who wins the Democratic nomination. Here's my view of the top four contenders:

Wesley Clark: It will still be a close race, Bush will have an advantage, but it could go either way.
Howard Dean: God help us all if this man gets elected. What a nutjob. If he wins the nomination, he will bring the Green Party people back to the Democratic Party, but will cause moderate-liberals like myself to abstain.
John Kerry: Probably the same as Clark. Good solid Democratic candidate, but lacks spice.
Joe Lieberman: Bush will win. Lieberman is very uncharismatic, and his pro-censorship stances have alienated a lot of liberals.

[fred_engles]

StarvingStudent47:
About Dean, I'm just curious how familiar you are with his actual positions? He does come across as a firebrand, and so many epople assume he's fair-left, but he's really fairly centrist on his actual positions. I've heard people say he's closer to the center than Kerry or Edwards ; and there's more than an ounce of truth to that.

As far as Lieberman goes, I respect him as a person, but not only is he incredibly boring; but he has the odd habit of attacking dubya from the right; which isn't exactly a great way to energize the democratic base.

Otherwise, what exactly about Dean turns you off so much? (Is it the war issue, or something else?) Also, I'm curious who you're supporting?

Edit: Also, I'd be curious to know what the general sentiment is on your campus? Who's signs are you seeing most around the quads?

[Va_Dinger]

Lets wait and see how he does with Iraq getting no better for another year. Plus NO WMD found with over two years and hundreds of millions spent looking for them. I think this election will be "up for grabs"!

Over two years huh. That's interesting, since we haven't even been in Iraq one year yet. Nice math there.


I was hoping you could figure out that I was referring to WHEN the elections are held. I guess not!

[Clay]

man, vote for the black guy he is way better then all the other white trash, but wait he is black so i guess we cant vote for a black guy.

[wholagun]

I don't want Bush to win the election. I really hope he doesn't get re-elected, but im sure he will, through some sort of means not necessarily legal. But hey what stoped him for being President this time around eh... :roll:

Can you vote? oh!! never mind p-)


No but im sure you will waste yours on Bush.

[StarvingStudent47]

StarvingStudent47:
About Dean, I'm just curious how familiar you are with his actual positions? He does come across as a firebrand, and so many epople assume he's fair-left, but he's really fairly centrist on his actual positions. I've heard people say he's closer to the center than Kerry or Edwards ; and there's more than an ounce of truth to that.

As far as Lieberman goes, I respect him as a person, but not only is he incredibly boring; but he has the odd habit of attacking dubya from the right; which isn't exactly a great way to energize the democratic base.

Otherwise, what exactly about Dean turns you off so much? (Is it the war issue, or something else?) Also, I'm curious who you're supporting?

Edit: Also, I'd be curious to know what the general sentiment is on your campus? Who's signs are you seeing most around the quads?

I am supporting John Kerry. I would be satisfied with Wesley Clark. I'm not very enthusiastic about the rest of the Democratic candidates.

Howard Dean has the support of most students on the University of Oregon campus, there's no question about that. But this place is very far-left.

Howard Dean's stances that I dislike:

*No trade with any countries that have lower labor standards than the USA. Are you kidding? We'd cut off trade to 90% of the world!

*His complete opposition to the war in Iraq. With each passing month, I am more suspicious about Bush's spin on the WMD thing. However, regardless of the WMD issue, the world is a far better place without Saddam than with him. And Dean does not recognize that. There's nothing hypocritical about saying "I think Bush and Rumsfeld made some serious mistakes that need addressing, but the war was just and right anyways." And Dean calls that stance hypocracy.

*Dean wants to sever ALL aid to Israel (he hasn't mentioned severing military aid to Egypt though). I don't want to hijack this thread with a discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but let me just say that I find this position unacceptable.

*Dean has essentially said that he would not support any war that didn't have UN approval. I am very disillusioned with any organization that would ever have an unrepentant Wehrmacht officer as General Secretary (Kurt Waldheim 1972-1981) and would let Lybia chair the Human Rights Commission. So I think always deferring to the United Nations is a poor decision.

*I was disappointed that he said that he wanted to make the Democratic Party the party for "guys with Confederate flags on their pickups." I am not comfortable with what the Confederate flag represents and I don't think we need it in the Democratic Party.

*Dean can't control his temper. We've seen him lose it time and time again during debates when people merely question his policy stances. We can't have someone in the White House who isn't able to control their temper.

As far as I can tell, the only issue where he's more to the right than Kerry is gun control. Dean is an NRA member. While I don't support increased gun laws, I find the NRA specifically to be very distasteful. The Columbine High massacre was very close to home and I thought Charleton Heston exploited it in a sick publicity stunt. I never forgave him. (for balance's sake, I feel exactly the same about how Michael Moore exploited it with Bowling for Columbine).



If you don't mind me asking, who are you supporting? Any reason in particular you favor that candidate?

[fred_engles]

StarvingStudent:
A more thorough reply will have to wait, as it's late and I have homework. However, I was wondering about this:
*Dean wants to sever ALL aid to Israel (he hasn't mentioned severing military aid to Egypt though). I don't want to hijack this thread with a discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but let me just say that I find this position unacceptable.You sure? Can you cite a source for that? Dean has described his middle east position as being near those of AIPAC (he has at least one former AIPAC staff member on his staff), and I've never heard anything along the lines of him saying he would cut of aid to Israel.

[StarvingStudent47]

man, vote for the black guy he is way better then all the other white trash, but wait he is black so i guess we cant vote for a black guy.

You're not serious, are you? If that was a joke, ignore the rest of this post.

There's nothing racist about not voting for Reverend Al Sharpton. Sharpton is a nutcase who has no real political knowledge or talent. He's an inflammatory radio host, the equivalent of Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh.

If Colin Powell ran for President, he would win. No question about it. He'd unite moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats and absolutely sweep the polls. I'd vote for him. So it's pretty darned unfair to call Americans racist because we won't vote for Al Sharpton specifically. That's like calling me anti-Semitic for disliking Joe Lieberman.

[StarvingStudent47]

You sure? Can you cite a source for that? Dean has described his middle east position as being near those of AIPAC (he has at least one former AIPAC staff member on his staff), and I've never heard anything along the lines of him saying he would cut of aid to Israel.

http://cbsnewyork.com/mideast/mideast_story_254070009.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/10/elec04.prez.dean.mideast/

I see he has since "clarified" his stance. In my experience of watching Dean, this means he has realized that his stance didn't make sense and he changed it. I assume he's also "clarified" his stance on cutting all trade with any country that doesn't have USA-level labor conditions? ;)

A quote from the above CNN article shows what I consider to be typical Dean arrogance and ignorance on a completely different issue:


Another comment by Dean has ignited controversy.

In Wednesday's debate, sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus and the Fox News Channel, Dean said, "I'm the only white politician that ever talks about race in front of white audiences."

Another of his presidential rivals, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, took issue with those remarks, saying he frequently talks about race in front of white audiences. CNN has verified that Edwards, indeed, has made such comments.

Asked about Edwards' criticism, Dean said, "I don't know what his context is, but I said exactly what I said last night at Jesse Jackson's PUSH forum out in Chicago about two months ago, and I never heard a peep from any of these candidates about that."

"I think a lot of this stuff is motivated by my position in the polls right now, and that's part of politics. I don't think it's a good part of politics, though."

[fred_engles]

I'm aware of those comments StarvingArtist, but they don't even mention aid to Israel, much less cutting it.

[StarvingStudent47]

I'm aware of those comments StarvingArtist, but they don't even mention aid to Israel, much less cutting it.

I think it was pretty clearly implied. No one ever spells out the details of their policies in campaigns. You ALWAYS have to read between the lines of euphemisms during campaigns. "I believe in defending America" means "I believe in raising military funding" in campaign-speak. "I believe in supporting America's workers" means "I support tariffs" in campaign-speak. "I believe in the sanctity of human life" means "I feel abortions should be illegal"; "I believe in women's reproductive rights" means "I think abortions should be legal."

Likewise, "I think we should be even-handed in the Middle East" means "I think we should abandon our traditional position of supporting Israel." That's what the phrase has always meant. Judging from the furor that surrounded his comments during that debate, quite a few people interpreted the comment in exactly the same manner I did.

How about the numerous other complaints I have about Dean? It's funny that the one point I hoped wouldn't dominate this debate has turned out to do just that ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

man, vote for the black guy he is way better then all the other white trash, but wait he is black so i guess we cant vote for a black guy.

:roll: so, when was the last time Canada have a non-caucasian man for PM ???:bash: I love it how people preach their moral standard while they haven't done **** :fork:

Al Sharpton(black) and Jesse Jackson(black) never get my vote. THe only person i will vote for over Bush is Colin Powell if he decides to run for presidency.

[papasmerf]

Wesley Clark all the way.