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n4292936
04-04-2005, 11:36 PM
Australia, Indonesia sign historic pact
By Patrick Walters
April 05, 2005
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New era ... Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Australian Prime Minister John Howard / John Feder JOHN Howard and Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono have pledged to open a new era in bilateral relations as the Indonesian President declared his nation was "looking south" for the first time towards a confident, dynamic and multicultural Australia.

The Indonesian leader declared the "landmark" joint partnership between Jakarta and Canberra would not only bring benefits to both nations but could help solve regional and global problems.
"Just imagine the creative energy that can be unleashed by the connection between our two resourceful peoples," an upbeat Dr Yudhoyono told a lunch held in his honour at Parliament House.

"I am convinced we can take this friendship between Indonesia and Australia far. Very far.

"Just imagine the vast area of democratic peace and co-operation that will be created between the largest archipelago on the equator and the great continent down under."

The President underlined his vision with his handwritten message in the Parliament House visitors book yesterday. He wrote: "I do hope that my visit will promote our bilateral friendship and co-operation."

Dr Yudhoyono said Indonesians looking south would now see the richest country in the southern hemisphere, which was a bastion of stability, progress and dynamism.


"Australians looking north would now see that along the equator spans the world's third-largest democracy that is Indonesia - third after India and the US," he said. "It is also a wondrous place where Islam, democracy and modernity thrive together."

The joint declaration will see Jakarta and Canberra negotiate a new security pact in the coming months aimed at cementing co-operation between the defence, police, Customs and intelligence agencies of both countries.

Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

The declaration, signed by Mr Howard and Dr Yudhoyono, states that each country's "unity, stability and prosperity" is vital to the other and that a stable, prosperous Indonesia can be a model for successful democratic transition for the world.

The two leaders yesterday outlined a similar shared vision of closer relations, with Dr Yudhoyono promising to try to smooth the political highs and lows that have traditionally affected Canberra-Jakarta relations.

He said the comprehensive partnership declaration marked a significant landmark in bilateral relations and "captures how far our relations have evolved".

"You will all notice that recently we have begun to relate to each other differently," he said, referring to the close co-operation developed since the 2002 Bali bombings and the Boxing Day tsunami.

"Our tsunami experience unveils one important point: that the relations between Indonesia and Australia are getting stronger, closer, better."

Mr Howard said he had developed an "immense personal regard" for Dr Yudhoyono and emphasised their mutual commitment to improving relations.

"We openly acknowledge that our cultures and our structures are different; that we will, from time to time, have differences.

"But we are forever together in this part of the world and we are therefore committed to ensuring that this relationship goes from strength to strength." Mr Howard said Indonesia, the world's third-largest democracy, had not received enough credit for its recent democratic transformation.

He also urged business leaders at the parliamentary luncheon to invest in Australia's near neighbour.

Mr Howard said the two countries faced no greater challenge than that of defeating terrorism in the region.

"A successful, moderate, Islamic Indonesia, led by a man of compassion and a man of vision such as President Yudhoyono, is about the most powerful weapon that we can have against zealotry and extremism in our part of the world," Mr Howard said.

Dr Yudhoyono today will personally award the nine Australians killed and two injured in Saturday's Sea King crash on Nias an Indonesian medal of honour for their "outstanding service and sacrifice".

"I am utterly devastated by the helicopter crash in Nias which killed nine and injured two of Australia's finest," he said yesterday.

He also thanked Australians for their generosity towards Indonesia in the wake of the tsunamis, which killed 220,000 people in Aceh and North Sumatra.

"Let it be remembered that when we in Indonesia went down and out, and when we needed help most, you came and you stood by us," he said.

Dr Yudhoyono yesterday backed Australia's participation in the East Asia summit to be hosted by Malaysia in December.

"I stressed the importance of Australia's close engagement with the region and I reiterated Indonesia's support for Australia to join the East Asia summit this year," he said.

M4ko
04-05-2005, 12:58 AM
wouldnt this anger China and its asian allies?

EasyC
04-05-2005, 01:02 AM
our relationship with indonesia has been that ****faced, this will bring all sorts of positive benefits, so China and its "allies" can go get ****ed.

Opening Batsman
04-05-2005, 01:04 AM
Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? :|

username
04-05-2005, 01:12 AM
Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? :|


ooooooooo your playing with fire

n4292936
04-05-2005, 01:18 AM
wouldnt this anger China and its asian allies?Not really, the dynamics in the area and constructs geared towards Southeast Asian peace are such that this means Australia is just now catching up in a sense. Indonesia has similar agreements with the Phillipines, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand. Australia has been excluded from these arangements (more in name than in practice until East Timor) due our lack of appreciation for the rather innocuous "ASEAN Way" - a type of interstate behaviour codified in the ASEAN treaty of Amity and Cooperation of 1967.
China can afford to care very little about this particular agreement since its impact on their security and future intentions is minimal. There is little in this agreement to suggest that our relationship with Indonesia won't ever be strained again - it will. It's just a good way to build a bridge over the mess that was East Timor. It's very important for Australia to get on well with Indonesia - they are in effect our security buffer along with our "Sea-Air gap".


What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? Not necessarily, but we would have to have a very good inducement, and another invitation by Indonesia (Indoensia "invited us in durign the ET intervention and aqcuiesed at the UN) before we even contemplated intervening.

Michael RVR
04-05-2005, 01:23 AM
Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? :|

Gotta also remember that our 'intervention' was really about 25 years late, ET was never an indonesian state wanting separation, they were their own country ;)

Ballistic
04-05-2005, 03:35 AM
wouldnt this anger China and its asian allies?

Who cares if it does. China can sod off as far as I'm concerned.

Opening Batsman
04-05-2005, 03:44 AM
wouldnt this anger China and its asian allies?

Who cares if it does. China can sod off as far as I'm concerned.

They are our/one of our biggest trading partners, so that probably wouldn't be smart. But I don't see why this would piss them off anyway. It really has nothing to do with them.

Ballistic
04-05-2005, 05:56 AM
This I know.. ;) I'm just not a fan of China. :)

username
04-05-2005, 10:12 AM
hmmmm what does this mean for our cruise missle plans?

Bluezoo
04-05-2005, 04:39 PM
This is good news and I hope this will foster a better understanding and cooperation between other ASEAN countries and Australia in the future. woot

Ballistic
04-05-2005, 05:18 PM
hmmmm what does this mean for our cruise missle plans?

Should'nt have any impact at all. And if it does.. *shakes fist*

username
04-05-2005, 05:54 PM
hmmmm what does this mean for our cruise missle plans?

Should'nt have any impact at all. And if it does.. *shakes fist*

What? The whole point of the cruise missles was to *defend* and I use the term loosely Australia in the event that a country like Indonesia were to Invade.

PrincessRAR
04-05-2005, 06:21 PM
Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? :|

Gotta also remember that our 'intervention' was really about 25 years late, ET was never an indonesian state wanting separation, they were their own country ;)

Hey bud, did you get the chance to deploy to timor..? I know if you are RVR - 5/7 took a pltn of the chocks over (quite a historic thing a whole platoon of chocks (before that it was just a few here and there in sections)). I may have seen you over there RVR was there im sure ;)

N42929.. are you currently in a the defence force - like is that supposed to be your pm keys number...

Ballistic
04-05-2005, 07:03 PM
hmmmm what does this mean for our cruise missle plans?

Should'nt have any impact at all. And if it does.. *shakes fist*

What? The whole point of the cruise missles was to *defend* and I use the term loosely Australia in the event that a country like Indonesia were to Invade.

And you think that because we are now "allies" and I use that term loosely, that it should have any impact on Defence purchases such as the cruise missiles ? An alliance should not dictate what a country can and can't buy for it's military and I don't think it will in this case. Howard is smarter than that. Anyway was the cruise missile purchase going ahead 100% anyway ?

Michael RVR
04-05-2005, 08:59 PM
Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? :|

Gotta also remember that our 'intervention' was really about 25 years late, ET was never an indonesian state wanting separation, they were their own country ;)

Hey bud, did you get the chance to deploy to timor..? I know if you are RVR - 5/7 took a pltn of the chocks over (quite a historic thing a whole platoon of chocks (before that it was just a few here and there in sections)). I may have seen you over there RVR was there im sure ;)

N42929.. are you currently in a the defence force - like is that supposed to be your pm keys number...

No i didnt, missed the trip with 6 and didn't have the spare time when 5/7 went.

Apparently there may be a deployment to solomons coming up though. ;)

PrincessRAR
04-05-2005, 09:14 PM
so you were full-time with 6 or you could have gone with them when they went..

Michael RVR
04-05-2005, 09:15 PM
could have gone when they went.

n4292936
04-05-2005, 10:03 PM
Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? :|

Gotta also remember that our 'intervention' was really about 25 years late, ET was never an indonesian state wanting separation, they were their own country ;)

Hey bud, did you get the chance to deploy to timor..? I know if you are RVR - 5/7 took a pltn of the chocks over (quite a historic thing a whole platoon of chocks (before that it was just a few here and there in sections)). I may have seen you over there RVR was there im sure ;)

N42929.. are you currently in a the defence force - like is that supposed to be your pm keys number...
Yes, I work for the DOD at the moment.

username
04-06-2005, 12:04 AM
hmmmm what does this mean for our cruise missle plans?

Should'nt have any impact at all. And if it does.. *shakes fist*

What? The whole point of the cruise missles was to *defend* and I use the term loosely Australia in the event that a country like Indonesia were to Invade.

And you think that because we are now "allies" and I use that term loosely, that it should have any impact on Defence purchases such as the cruise missiles ? An alliance should not dictate what a country can and can't buy for it's military and I don't think it will in this case. Howard is smarter than that. Anyway was the cruise missile purchase going ahead 100% anyway ?

I would think that Indonesia would push for Australia not to buy weapons that were basically aimed at them. It was just a thought still we don't know for sure what effect that has had, atleast ive seen no credible documents to support that possibility.

n4292936
04-06-2005, 12:17 AM
hmmmm what does this mean for our cruise missle plans?

Should'nt have any impact at all. And if it does.. *shakes fist*

What? The whole point of the cruise missles was to *defend* and I use the term loosely Australia in the event that a country like Indonesia were to Invade. The wording typically used is "an aggressor to our North" Similations and exercies often go so far as describe this unnamed aggressor as an island nation. Take from that what you will.

As for Indonesia being an ally - they are not. This is a cooperative agreement, not an alliance. There is a significant difference.

On another note, when considering defence purchases we do take into consideration the sentiments of our neighbors - it would be poor policy planning to not do so. They don't dictate our decisions, but we are aware of their feelings. There is a reason, for example, that we are not a nuclear power, and its not because of lack of know-how. Like Japan, we could probably have one inside of a few months, it would be bad for regional stability though.

PrincessRAR
04-06-2005, 12:40 AM
Both governments have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity, and the joint declaration states specifically that Australia "does not support separatist movements in any part of Indonesia".

What is up with that? If there is another East Timor we just sit on our hands? :|

Gotta also remember that our 'intervention' was really about 25 years late, ET was never an indonesian state wanting separation, they were their own country ;)

Hey bud, did you get the chance to deploy to timor..? I know if you are RVR - 5/7 took a pltn of the chocks over (quite a historic thing a whole platoon of chocks (before that it was just a few here and there in sections)). I may have seen you over there RVR was there im sure ;)

N42929.. are you currently in a the defence force - like is that supposed to be your pm keys number...
Yes, I work for the DOD at the moment.

O jesus that was general

n4292936
04-06-2005, 12:48 AM
that was intentional

PrincessRAR
04-06-2005, 01:00 AM
okay secret agent man i apologise :roll: ;)