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askDNA
04-05-2005, 11:05 AM
A new special forces regiment is to be operational from Wednesday, Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon has announced.
The Special Reconnaissance Regiment, or SRR, will provide specialist support for overseas operations, particularly those against international terrorism.
Recruits have been drawn from all three services, with some of the regiment's posts open to women.
The new regiment will have its headquarters in Hereford, where the SAS is already based.
Growing need
"The creation of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment demonstrates our commitment to shaping our armed forces to meet the ongoing challenge of tackling international terrorism," said Mr Hoon.
"The new regiment will help to meet the growing need for special reconnaissance capability."
The Ministry of Defence said "special reconnaissance" covered "a wide range of specialist skills and activities related to covert surveillance".
The SRR will be deployed to support both existing special forces and conventional forces in a variety of military operations.
Its creation is separate from that of the 'ranger' unit, which will be formed from the 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment and will also support special forces.
The need for a special reconnaissance unit was first identified by the Strategic Defence Review "new chapter" in 2002 and it will be a part of the UK Special Forces group.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4412907.stm
Pongo
04-05-2005, 11:25 AM
Its creation is separate from that of the "ranger" unit, which will be formed from the 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment and will also support special forces.
How I hate the idea of calling 1 para a "ranger" unit. What's the matter with calling it 1 para?
Navor
04-05-2005, 11:26 AM
Infos on structure available???
<Gypsum Fantastic>
04-05-2005, 11:48 AM
Its creation is separate from that of the "ranger" unit, which will be formed from the 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment and will also support special forces.
How I hate the idea of calling 1 para a "ranger" unit. What's the matter with calling it 1 para?
x2
Why change the name? Why announce their new role? You could very well change it and have no need for public announcements.
mack pl
04-05-2005, 11:53 AM
Why announce their new role? You could very well change it and have no need for public announcements.
hmm, maybe UK MoD want to show to public, that they are doing everything what they can to fight with terror? Maybe "propaganda" is bad word, but I dont know any better ;)
DeltaWhisky58
04-05-2005, 12:44 PM
Herewith the facts from the horses mouth....................
On 5 April 2005 the Secretary of State for Defence, Geoff Hoon MP, announced the creation of a new "Special Reconnaissance Regiment", which has been formed to meet a growing worldwide need for special reconnaissance capability.
http://news.mod.uk/img/pressdatabase/images/supportingImages/thumbnails/SRR%20Capbadge_tn.jpg
http://news.mod.uk/news/press/news_headline_story.asp?newsItem_id=3210
DeltaWhisky58
04-05-2005, 12:50 PM
Infos on structure available???
Silly question - the Special Reconnaissance Regiment doesn't stand up until tomorrow, and bearing in mind it's role this would seem hardly likely at this early stage, especialy bearing in mind the lack of officially sanctioned information on the SAS/SBS on any official sites or elsewhere. no doubt the press will be hackneying around plenty of speculative crap over the next few weeks.
<Gypsum Fantastic>
04-05-2005, 12:56 PM
Why announce their new role? You could very well change it and have no need for public announcements.
hmm, maybe UK MoD want to show to public, that they are doing everything what they can to fight with terror? Maybe "propaganda" is bad word, but I dont know any better ;)
I think you're right. Just by a coincidence the date of the election was announced today. ;)
DeltaWhisky58
04-05-2005, 01:03 PM
Why announce their new role? You could very well change it and have no need for public announcements.
hmm, maybe UK MoD want to show to public, that they are doing everything what they can to fight with terror? Maybe "propaganda" is bad word, but I dont know any better ;)
I think you're right. Just by a coincidence the date of the election was announced today. ;)
Propaganda it certainly is, the only difference between this and much of the other rubbish spouted by Bliar and his merry band is that this statement would appear to be credible.
Announcement of the General Election and the SRR coincidence - I think not rofl
AROUETLJ
04-05-2005, 01:57 PM
OK let's fire off some questions:
Is the SRR a military or intelligence-type unit? I mean 13e RDP style or just a hardcore 14 Int.? And why link everything to the "War on Terror"? As if the army exists to be used only in this war, and nowhere else.
ElHombre
04-05-2005, 01:59 PM
Announcement of the General Election and the SRR coincidence - I think not rofl
just like we haven't had any color-coded 'terror alerts' since the election. p-)
sierraone
04-05-2005, 02:03 PM
Announcement of the General Election and the SRR coincidence - I think not rofl
just like we haven't had any color-coded 'terror alerts' since the election. p-)
to add to the cynics it will help boost falling recruitment figures and disinterest in a military career.
The problem is that many of the top Regiments/Units the men are leaving in droves to take up contracts in Iraq. This is in turn leaving a huge hole which the government does not know how to fill. America has given many of their top units a special payments to keep them on side, the British Government has not gone down this path, but is trying to do it on the cheap by changing the role of the 1st Battalion of the Parachute Regiment.
kayaker
04-05-2005, 03:34 PM
And saying it's in everyone's best interests to be staying
Fee Fi Fo Fum
04-05-2005, 03:35 PM
Interesting...
'New regiment will support SAS'
A new special forces regiment has been set up to support overseas operations - particularly in the fight against terror. Analyst Charles Heyman explains what he thinks the Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR) will do.
Announcing the creation of the SRR on Tuesday, the Ministry of Defence gave little away.
It spoke of a unit to "meet the growing need for special reconnaissance capability", adding that it would offer "a wide range of specialist skills and activities related to covert surveillance".
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40999000/jpg/_40999525_srrlogo_203.jpg
Full article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4414339.stm
AROUETLJ
04-05-2005, 03:42 PM
What beret will SRR members have? Dark green Int. Corps or some shade of "sand"?
Argyll
04-05-2005, 03:53 PM
I'm interested in the term Regiment,because a normal Regiment consists of usually 3 battalions,is this a Battalion strength unit (700 persons)
and are these 700 hiding until tommorow morning? ;)
I hope to Christ these new "hats" will not go around thinking they're just like "Badged" blokes........?
csqnsas
04-05-2005, 04:03 PM
So what were you ?
Son of one of those who took the "Crater" ?
Argyll
04-05-2005, 04:10 PM
So what were you ?
Son of one of those who took the "Crater" ?
Nah mate just a jock who served in the 80's with the Argyll's,I used the term hats loosely as only those in a certain portion of the British Army would identify it's meaning
I do however work with a lot of blokes who are/were "badged" ;)
csqnsas
04-05-2005, 04:13 PM
Waahhhhh!!
csqnsas
04-05-2005, 04:14 PM
You say "Are" too? . Only ever met one who went on "walkabout " and got back in.
Argyll
04-05-2005, 04:18 PM
PM sent ;)
This regiment has the coolest capbadge I've ever seen. Well done, whoever designed it.
DeltaWhisky58
04-07-2005, 12:52 PM
I doubt very much that The British Army had "coolness" in mind when they designed the SRR capbadge. :roll:
Argyll
04-07-2005, 01:19 PM
I honestly don't know why a covert unit needs a capbadge because as soon a a person is seen wearing the headgear with the badge,then he no longer has anonymity!!
The Det don't have a specific capbadge,so why should this lot.......the whole idea of having a survaillance regiment is not to be seen,and not to be identified as anything other than a "Special" unit.
As soon as these blokes walk into the NAAFI with their fancy capbadge in amongst some Jocks or Para's guess who's gonna get "special" attention?
oldsoak
04-07-2005, 01:54 PM
- I suppose its better than having Saurons all-seeing eye as a badge ( although that might be appropriate :) )....
Fee Fi Fo Fum
04-07-2005, 02:03 PM
I honestly don't know why a covert unit needs a capbadge because as soon a a person is seen wearing the headgear with the badge,then he no longer has anonymity!!
The Det don't have a specific capbadge,so why should this lot.......the whole idea of having a survaillance regiment is not to be seen,and not to be identified as anything other than a "Special" unit.
As soon as these blokes walk into the NAAFI with their fancy capbadge in amongst some Jocks or Para's guess who's gonna get "special" attention?
I’m sure the cap badge wont be worn where it is not needed.
Sabre
04-07-2005, 02:04 PM
Dare I say it, but could the high profile of this announcement have anything to do with, oh...the election?
I don't really see any other purpose in 'creating' a new 'regiment' so publicly. It would make far more sense to just turn a part of the Int corps into a specialist unit. Not that it isn't what is happening here anyway.
But I suppose the powers that be decided to conduct this 'war' out in the open from the start, great decision that was.
Argyll
04-07-2005, 02:16 PM
I honestly don't know why a covert unit needs a capbadge because as soon a a person is seen wearing the headgear with the badge,then he no longer has anonymity!!
The Det don't have a specific capbadge,so why should this lot.......the whole idea of having a survaillance regiment is not to be seen,and not to be identified as anything other than a "Special" unit.
As soon as these blokes walk into the NAAFI with their fancy capbadge in amongst some Jocks or Para's guess who's gonna get "special" attention?
I’m sure the cap badge wont be worn where it is not needed.
Oh you mean not purely for Photo opportunity p-)
I agree with Sabre,why does the public need to know about this new Regiment................why not just expand the Det ,does this mean that 14 Int will fall under the defence cuts knife,after all it's served it's purpose,and with the creating of this new SRR,it's become redundant?
or has it?
2RHPZ
04-07-2005, 02:41 PM
I honestly don't know why a covert unit needs a capbadge because as soon a a person is seen wearing the headgear with the badge,then he no longer has anonymity!!
The Det don't have a specific capbadge,so why should this lot.......the whole idea of having a survaillance regiment is not to be seen,and not to be identified as anything other than a "Special" unit.
As soon as these blokes walk into the NAAFI with their fancy capbadge in amongst some Jocks or Para's guess who's gonna get "special" attention?
Good point, Argyll. How are you, friend? I was abroad 3 days (country w/o Net) ... CDR will be send on Monday :oops: I will send email tommorow, had some questions. Take care ...
Sabre
04-07-2005, 02:44 PM
...why not just expand the Det ,does this mean that 14 Int will fall under the defence cuts knife,after all it's served it's purpose,and with the creating of this new SRR,it's become redundant?
Who knows...
...all the public has been told (and all they'll understand) is that 'something is being done' about the 'terrorist threat'.
Que cheesy grin from TB and a 'vote for me' wink.
:roll:
The whole point of Int units and organisations is that they do their job behind closed doors, and the public don't need to know, nor would they care. The more cheap publicity shots this government seems to pull out regarding the military and the 'war on terror', the more I think someone should have stood up and said "Let 'W' have his war, and we'll just carry on doing what we've always done behind the scenes. Everyone just go back to your lives now and don't worry!".
But I suppose that course of action isn't any good for Tony's memoires.
^^^^good points everyone, but if the MoD only said "we're going to expand the Det." press and "experts" (those that fought anywhere from Iraq to Mars) would start speculating too much, saying that it would be an assassination unit, doing war crimes, etc, etc. There's no point in classifying everything - that does more harm than good. A little opening doesn't hurt.
Sabre
04-08-2005, 07:22 AM
But if you didn't tell them anything....
....the only thing that would be damaged would be Mr. Blair's re-election campaign. ;)
squeak
04-08-2005, 08:21 AM
I used the term hats loosely as only those in a certain portion of the British Army would identify it's meaning
Or anyone reading any or all SAS books over the last few years.
OMEGA7
04-08-2005, 09:10 AM
But if you didn't tell them anything....
....the only thing that would be damaged would be Mr. Blair's re-election campaign. ;)
im sorry im just join in your forum suddenly. would your country reelection in there ? i did not know what happend in your country incidents . is that your country happend which not have more ? but i think then have much time . i have to refer to my self. sorry but im japanese . do not think about strange thinks of the japanese's faces only likes yellow monkeys .
Pongo
04-08-2005, 10:05 AM
But if you didn't tell them anything....
....the only thing that would be damaged would be Mr. Blair's re-election campaign. ;)
im sorry im just join in your forum suddenly. would your country reelection in there ? i did not know what happend in your country incidents . is that your country happend which not have more ? but i think then have much time . i have to refer to my self. sorry but im japanese . do not think about strange thinks of the japanese's faces only likes yellow monkeys .
OMEGA7. You really do need to find yourself a better translator. What you have written makes no sense in English.
Good luck mate.
OMEGA7
04-08-2005, 10:21 AM
But if you didn't tell them anything....
....the only thing that would be damaged would be Mr. Blair's re-election campaign. ;)
im sorry im just join in your forum suddenly. would your country reelection in there ? i did not know what happend in your country incidents . is that your country happend which not have more ? but i think then have much time . i have to refer to my self. sorry but im japanese . do not think about strange thinks of the japanese's faces only likes yellow monkeys .
OMEGA7. You really do need to find yourself a better translator. What you have written makes no sense in English.
Good luck mate.
really? my english is not good enorgh? i hope i will able to speak the english more . i will effort and dedicate for my english ability !
Its creation is separate from that of the "ranger" unit, which will be formed from the 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment and will also support special forces.
How I hate the idea of calling 1 para a "ranger" unit. What's the matter with calling it 1 para?
because it says "formed from" and not "replace" leads me to believe that there will still be 1 para aswell as...err..
para rangers who will fight godzilla lookalikes in massive robots.
Sabre
04-08-2005, 12:52 PM
I think I've seen their training videos cut!
<Gypsum Fantastic>
04-08-2005, 01:28 PM
Its creation is separate from that of the "ranger" unit, which will be formed from the 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment and will also support special forces.
How I hate the idea of calling 1 para a "ranger" unit. What's the matter with calling it 1 para?
because it says "formed from" and not "replace" leads me to believe that there will still be 1 para aswell as...err..
para rangers who will fight godzilla lookalikes in massive robots.
Mighty morphing Para rangers?
OMEGA7
04-09-2005, 03:51 AM
I think I've seen their training videos cut!
it's funny it was sure that's called the cause of video cuts by he wasnt heard about this ranger 1 para..... i don know .
DarkCypher
04-09-2005, 04:04 AM
really? my english is not good enorgh? i hope i will able to speak the english more . i will effort and dedicate for my english ability !
To be honest I just think your taking the piss.
Hafenkommandant
04-10-2005, 07:07 AM
>OMEGA7
I would say that you bring shame on yourself and our nation :|
Thanks
Sabre
04-10-2005, 11:56 AM
Ruddy hell!
That's a bit heavy. His english is much better than my japanese!
EsoognomEhT
04-11-2005, 10:49 PM
well, thats one funky cap badge. Someone in the mod has been attatched to the septics mebbe ;)
Raistlin
04-12-2005, 02:42 AM
I wonder, why does insignia of an UK army unit bear strong greek cultural identity?
ShadowNeo
04-12-2005, 07:45 AM
Because it looks cool p-) .
oldsoak
04-12-2005, 07:55 AM
Because most of the top knobs in the MOD and Government read classics at either Oxford or Cambridge and were brought up on a diet of classical Greek at public school.
sierraone
04-12-2005, 11:43 AM
Plus we are great warriors!
But seriously I don't understand why they didn't choose something more english? Like a bulldog or something like that? :)
oldsoak
04-12-2005, 12:15 PM
...with its leg cocked ? :)
EsoognomEhT
04-12-2005, 12:21 PM
The SRR cap badge consists of a Corinthian helmet placed in front of a Special Forces sword with a scroll underneath depicting the word 'reconnaissance'. This reflects the SAS and SBS cap badges in design, ensuring conformity within the UK Special Forces Group. The Corinthian style helmet, favoured by the ancient Greeks, was used from the early 7th to the 4th centuries BC. The helmet is facing forwards and suggests the viewer is being watched, while the wearer behind the mask is anonymous.
lovely
Argyll
04-12-2005, 01:16 PM
So can we expect the 1 Para badge to change too then,as they too will be part of the SFG?
AROUETLJ
04-12-2005, 02:41 PM
I think there's a simpler explanation. It's a nod to the "Mars and Minerva" badge carried by the SAS brigade at one time. The Regimental mag still bears that name.
Sabre
04-12-2005, 03:05 PM
Aye, the 'Artists Rifles' that were amalgamated with 21 (bah! ;) ) when it first set out.
And how it will be the selection process? Like the paras or like the SAS - a few years in the green army then you can apply?
[quote="Fee"][quote=Argyll]
I agree with Sabre,why does the public need to know about this new Regiment................why not just expand the Det ,does this mean that 14 Int will fall under the defence cuts knife,after all it's served it's purpose,and with the creating of this new SRR,it's become redundant?
or has it?
looks like the new unit will absorb the 14th Int:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/06/nterr06.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/06/ixportal.html
It will absorb the 14th Intelligence Company, nicknamed "14 Int", which was formed to gather intelligence on Ulster terrorists. Recruits undergo a rigorous selection course, equivalent to the Paras' "P Company" training, and are trained by the SAS in close quarter battle.
The detachment, which is still operating in Ulster and the Balkans, recruited men and women from all three Services. At its height, 14 Int numbered about 200 troops.
^^^^
It seems that the SRR is just one big 14th Int.
2RHPZ
04-17-2005, 04:14 PM
Another article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/17/nsas17.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/17/ixhome.html) with info on that.
The Telegraph has learnt that defence chiefs want the SAS and its Royal Marine equivalent, the Special Boat Service, to be freed to return to their original role of staging special operations.
These would include long-range infiltration operations deep behind enemy lines, counter-insurgency ambushes, and the seizure of terrorist suspects in hostile countries. This would leave more conventional attacks, such as those carried out in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, to the new unit.
Troops from across the Army will be invited to join the new unit, but those from outside the Parachute Regiment or the Royal Marines will have to pass rigorous tests in addition to the demanding Army parachute course.
While the Paras will supply the assault troops for military operations, it is understood that commanders are keen to exploit the special skills of the Royal Marines, such as maritime surveillance, and the RAF Regiment, who would secure landing sites and airfields.
The new name of this unit will be Joint Special Forces Support Group, it will be based at St Athlan in South Wales close to the SAS HQ. It will basically consist of the men from 1 Para, but like the Parachute Regiment any one can apply to join and all they have to do is to pass the P Course, which is not to hard. There will be also sections of the Royal Marines attached that have had airborne training. In true British Army style this is classed as urgent so they hope to get it up and running by 2008.
Sabre
04-17-2005, 06:20 PM
^^^^^
It looks like some people here have got their wires crossed.
The SRR will be an Int-based unit specifically designed to counter the 'new' threat from al quaeda-style groups.
The JSFSG is an entirely different unit that is intended to support SF operations in a similar way to the US Rangers.
The two units are entirely separate.
EsoognomEhT
04-17-2005, 06:31 PM
Isnt St. Athan a raf base?
Or is that St. Mawgan?
:E
Oddball
04-18-2005, 06:54 AM
Top secret intelligence unit will quit Belfast for new role in Iraq
By Michael Evans, Defence Editor
THE most secret military unit serving in Northern Ireland is to be pulled out of the Province and posted to Iraq and to other operational missions overseas.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1574148,00.html
AROUETLJ
04-18-2005, 07:55 AM
It seems we're being told all the useless details. There are already half a dozen specialist units in the British Armed Forces. Will they be incorporated into the new JSFSG? I mean units like the Pathfinder Platoon, 148 Cdo Battery, Brigade Patrol Troop, 4/73 Battery...etc. Will they keep their present role? And what about 264 Signals Sqn?
Quite frankly, I don't think it makes much sense to create new special forces units while the two TA SAS regiments have been kept intact. Is it logical to have two TA regiments as part of the Special Forces Group while other units are crying out for funding?
martinexsquaddie
04-18-2005, 09:49 AM
well even ta special forces cost peanuts compared with a regular unit
and provide a steady stream of "recruits" or attachments to 22 so I suppouse thats why they keep them
Sabre
04-18-2005, 06:16 PM
It seems we're being told all the useless details. There are already half a dozen specialist units in the British Armed Forces. Will they be incorporated into the new JSFSG? I mean units like the Pathfinder Platoon, 148 Cdo Battery, Brigade Patrol Troop, 4/73 Battery...etc. Will they keep their present role? And what about 264 Signals Sqn?
Quite frankly, I don't think it makes much sense to create new special forces units while the two TA SAS regiments have been kept intact. Is it logical to have two TA regiments as part of the Special Forces Group while other units are crying out for funding?
YES!!!!
(They can bin 21 though)
well even ta special forces cost peanuts compared with a regular unit
and provide a steady stream of "recruits" or attachments to 22 so I suppouse thats why they keep them
Indeed. However not too many of 22's recruits come from the TA units, although a few do go across. The infrastructure, the expertise and the demand for TA SF still exists so there is no question of chopping them off the ORBAT. It would be more hassle than it's worth. All they cost is bullets, petrol and heli hours. Not much for the return the government gets from UKSF(R).
AROUETLJ
04-18-2005, 06:57 PM
Hmmm. Call me a miserable spoil-sport, but I would remove them from the Special Forces Group. Seems to me we have a whole bunch of units that are more 'special' than the TA SAS.
Why axe 21 and not 23? Any personal experience?
Then again, I'm just an armchair critic (much like Geoff Hoon......)
marktigger
04-18-2005, 07:17 PM
its just a formalisation of the specialist close recce units that have been operating in various theatres with British military since 1970's
As to the SF support/ ranger unit how many will end up being paras?
EsoognomEhT
04-19-2005, 11:54 AM
From my personal experience the MOD needs to give the UKSF(R) darts practice...because they're crap at it !
Sabre
04-19-2005, 12:34 PM
From my personal experience the MOD needs to give the UKSF(R) darts practice...because they're crap at it !
Generalists, not specialists!
Good at a lot of things, great at a few. Obviously no-one had been on the 'SPS' course (Specialist Pub Sports).
Hmmm. Call me a miserable spoil-sport, but I would remove them from the Special Forces Group. Seems to me we have a whole bunch of units that are more 'special' than the TA SAS.
Why axe 21 and not 23? Any personal experience?
Then again, I'm just an armchair critic (much like Geoff Hoon......)
Horses for courses mate, everyone has thier own task. The role for 21 and 23 is still viable, so why bin them?
BTW, 21 are southern...nuff said. ;)
oldsoak
04-19-2005, 12:37 PM
BTW, 21 are southern...nuff said. ;)
Ouch !!!
Roger Rabbit
04-19-2005, 01:14 PM
BTW, 21 are southern...nuff said. ;)
I hear this is 23's mess dress. Can anyone verify?
http://img118.echo.cx/img118/712/scousers2hw.jpg p-)
Gringo
04-19-2005, 01:25 PM
Which one are you Fee?
Sabre
04-19-2005, 02:00 PM
:lol:
http://img118.echo.cx/img118/712/scousers2hw.jpg p-)
OMG! DELTA!!!!
;)
Royal
07-01-2005, 07:34 AM
What beret will SRR members have? Dark green Int. Corps or some shade of "sand"?
Lovat Green
fantassin
07-01-2005, 07:52 AM
What beret will SRR members have? Dark green Int. Corps or some shade of "sand"?
Lovat Green
Lovat Green ? are you certain or assuming ?
Just asking because a recent Sunday Times article was quoting the SRR beret colour as sand and I think the signallers from 264 squadron also use sand colour beret but with the Royal Signal insignia on it.
Thanks for clarifying that !
;)
Royal
07-01-2005, 08:05 AM
What beret will SRR members have? Dark green Int. Corps or some shade of "sand"?
Lovat Green
Lovat Green ? are you certain or assuming ?
Just asking because a recent Sunday Times article was quoting the SRR beret colour as sand and I think the signallers from 264 squadron also use sand colour beret but with the Royal Signal insignia on it.
Thanks for clarifying that !
;)
I'm psychic...
264 wear sand berets as do all other attached ranks (REME, Int, AGC, etc) because they're attached to one of the SAS regiments.
SRR wanted light grey, but weren't allowed it as other (non-SF) units already have it...
fantassin
07-01-2005, 08:09 AM
They should have gone for pinkish, like the Sultan's Special Forces in Oman, they would have been soooo cute....
:D
Thanks for the info; the Lovat Green colour was chosen in regard of the Lovat Scouts prowesses or it's got nothing to do with that ?
Thanks
Royal
07-01-2005, 08:14 AM
Thanks for the info; the Lovat Green colour was chosen in regard of the Lovat Scouts prowesses
Precisement, mon ami.
fantassin
07-01-2005, 08:23 AM
It all makes sense...good to be in an army which does not forget its traditions...
Fee Fi Fo Fum
07-01-2005, 08:50 AM
Which one are you Fee?
I'm an evertonian p-)
Raistlin
07-01-2005, 07:36 PM
Royal, are you back now??
Royal
07-04-2005, 04:42 AM
Royal, are you back now??
Aye, for now...
AROUETLJ
07-04-2005, 05:18 AM
So basically it's the same colour as the Commando beret, sine this is also defined as "Lovat green". Is it?
Argyll
07-04-2005, 05:46 AM
No............Lovat Green is a different shade of green,like the Royal Marine No.2 Dress ;)
Royal PM me sometime mate,see if we can hook up somewhere on this planet in the future?
I had dinner with the CO of 1 Para last month, and they are not changing the Beret or the cap badge, and they will remain a part of the Parachute Regiment. Once they have finished their current spell in Northern Ireland, they are down for some additional training and then it looks like they are of to Afghanistan for a spell in the hills.
coverteye
07-04-2005, 08:13 AM
Yeah they're in S.Armagh at the moment. Did he mention the shooting incident that occurred two weeks ago? I'm working same area but one of my colleagues who is PSNI was at that incident with them....
RGRBOX
07-04-2005, 09:14 AM
Don't you think that the role of this Regt. will be more of a military role, and not a civilian role such as 14 Int. The way the write up sounds is that this unit will be in support of the SAS... If they are using the Term Ranger and using the Paras to forfil this task then this will be a battle field support role, as in direct support to any SAS Ops.. example that I can think of, is how the US Army Rangers support 1st SFOD-D...
digrar
07-04-2005, 09:18 AM
Isn't there two different units, one based on 1 Para which is muscle and another based on 14 int which is sneaky peaky?
Tim Nice But Dim
07-04-2005, 09:23 AM
Don't you think that the role of this Regt. will be more of a military role, and not a civilian role such as 14 Int. The way the write up sounds is that this unit will be in support of the SAS... If they are using the Term Ranger and using the Paras to forfil this task then this will be a battle field support role, as in direct support to any SAS Ops.. example that I can think of, is how the US Army Rangers support 1st SFOD-D...
Let confusion reign. ;)
There are actually two different units being discussed in this thread…
The first is the expanded 14th Int., which is becoming the Special Reconnaissance Regiment; the second is the new role for 1 Para, which will be similar to the role of the Rangers in the USA.
Edit - To slow, digrar got there first.
RGRBOX
07-04-2005, 09:37 AM
Don't you think that the role of this Regt. will be more of a military role, and not a civilian role such as 14 Int. The way the write up sounds is that this unit will be in support of the SAS... If they are using the Term Ranger and using the Paras to forfil this task then this will be a battle field support role, as in direct support to any SAS Ops.. example that I can think of, is how the US Army Rangers support 1st SFOD-D...
Let confusion reign. ;)
There are actually two different units being discussed in this thread…
The first is the expanded 14th Int., which is becoming the Special Reconnaissance Regiment; the second is the new role for 1 Para, which will be similar to the role of the Rangers in the USA.
Edit - To slow, digrar got there first.
OK... I got ya....
As for the expanded role of 1 Para... sounds like a good idea.... but wouldn't it be better to have the capability of all of the Para units, and some of the RMC units to have this ability... makes for a better trained force, and one that is more flexable...
OMEGA7
07-04-2005, 09:39 AM
Is the UK forces not be filled the UK soldiers in the iraq ? I think the problem is the past history . because of the UK army are served from the strongest US army ,well... , why does they has made newly made the special force ? I guess the UK newest force is very simular to the SAS ,
OMEGA7
07-04-2005, 09:41 AM
Don't you think that the role of this Regt. will be more of a military role, and not a civilian role such as 14 Int. The way the write up sounds is that this unit will be in support of the SAS... If they are using the Term Ranger and using the Paras to forfil this task then this will be a battle field support role, as in direct support to any SAS Ops.. example that I can think of, is how the US Army Rangers support 1st SFOD-D...
Let confusion reign. ;)
There are actually two different units being discussed in this thread…
The first is the expanded 14th Int., which is becoming the Special Reconnaissance Regiment; the second is the new role for 1 Para, which will be similar to the role of the Rangers in the USA.
Edit - To slow, digrar got there first.
OK... I got ya....
As for the expanded role of 1 Para... sounds like a good idea.... but wouldn't it be better to have the capability of all of the Para units, and some of the RMC units to have this ability... makes for a better trained force, and one that is more flexable...
Which is flexible?
RGRBOX
07-04-2005, 09:44 AM
Don't you think that the role of this Regt. will be more of a military role, and not a civilian role such as 14 Int. The way the write up sounds is that this unit will be in support of the SAS... If they are using the Term Ranger and using the Paras to forfil this task then this will be a battle field support role, as in direct support to any SAS Ops.. example that I can think of, is how the US Army Rangers support 1st SFOD-D...
Let confusion reign. ;)
There are actually two different units being discussed in this thread…
The first is the expanded 14th Int., which is becoming the Special Reconnaissance Regiment; the second is the new role for 1 Para, which will be similar to the role of the Rangers in the USA.
Edit - To slow, digrar got there first.
OK... I got ya....
As for the expanded role of 1 Para... sounds like a good idea.... but wouldn't it be better to have the capability of all of the Para units, and some of the RMC units to have this ability... makes for a better trained force, and one that is more flexable...
Which is flexible?
More units with the capability to operate with the UK SF units...
Then again, this sounds like the UK Military is going to add 1 Para to the UK SF ranks...
digrar
07-04-2005, 09:44 AM
OK... I got ya....
As for the expanded role of 1 Para... sounds like a good idea.... but wouldn't it be better to have the capability of all of the Para units, and some of the RMC units to have this ability... makes for a better trained force, and one that is more flexable...
I reckon It would cost a fair bit of brass to train all those units to that standard. Plus someone has to concentrate on conventional war fighting.
RGRBOX
07-04-2005, 09:48 AM
OK... I got ya....
As for the expanded role of 1 Para... sounds like a good idea.... but wouldn't it be better to have the capability of all of the Para units, and some of the RMC units to have this ability... makes for a better trained force, and one that is more flexable...
I reckon It would cost a fair bit of brass to train all those units to that standard. Plus someone has to concentrate on conventional war fighting.
Yes, this I aggree with... I know that in the early days, that the 82nd was under the USSOCOM... but this was changed... I don't know how long this lasted, but I don't think very long... I see because of the different units I've served with, that this difference in Roles is necessary... it's just the size of UK forces, is why I brought this up...
Sabre
07-04-2005, 10:12 AM
The small size of the British Forces is relative. UKSF isn't huge and the new JSFSG will be big enough to support it's actions. Para reg and the RM already support UKSF on ops, the JSFSG will be a formalisation of this role and dedicate a proportion of troops (ie 1 Para and parts of the RM) to it. No doubt there will be further progression and development of skills/tactics when JSFSG are operational, and this will filter out into the rest of the Para reg/RM if applicable.
Hydro
07-04-2005, 10:57 AM
Don't you think that the role of this Regt. will be more of a military role, and not a civilian role such as 14 Int. The way the write up sounds is that this unit will be in support of the SAS... If they are using the Term Ranger and using the Paras to forfil this task then this will be a battle field support role, as in direct support to any SAS Ops.. example that I can think of, is how the US Army Rangers support 1st SFOD-D...
Let confusion reign. ;)
There are actually two different units being discussed in this thread…
The first is the expanded 14th Int., which is becoming the Special Reconnaissance Regiment; the second is the new role for 1 Para, which will be similar to the role of the Rangers in the USA.
Edit - To slow, digrar got there first.
OK... I got ya....
As for the expanded role of 1 Para... sounds like a good idea.... but wouldn't it be better to have the capability of all of the Para units, and some of the RMC units to have this ability... makes for a better trained force, and one that is more flexable...
Which is flexible?
More units with the capability to operate with the UK SF units...
Then again, this sounds like the UK Military is going to add 1 Para to the UK SF ranks...
Nah, then they'll have to give 1 Para SF pay! :)
Well the idea of making the Parachute Regiment a back up to the SAS is quite easy for the planners as the baulk of the SAS come from the Parachute Regiment. The same as the the baulk of SBS comes from the Royal Marines. The problem that the planners had come across that there was not enough SAS units to cover many of the low priority mission that have come up in the last few years so they needed a back up unit. Now if the baulk of the SAS are ex Para's so where would you look for a back up unit but the Parachute Regiment. Now as far as recruitment goes the Parachute Regiment has always been open to all comers, all you have to do is pass the P Course, at one time the Parachute Regiment only took trained soldiers from other Regiments as it did not train it's own men and every one including the Officers had to do the same course including the milling and the officers did not get to box other officers but other soldiers. The course in those days was two weeks in length if you dropped out or fell behind in any discipline you where on the next train back to your old billet, and they would in those days take about 1 man out of ten.
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