Anybody have info on Iraqi MG3's?

[He219]

Seen them for the first time in use by the Iraqi forces, twice today alone ..

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Iraqi Soldiers from the 1st Presidential Army pull security for any hostile acts of terrorism, in Yusafya, Iraq, on March 26 2005. The U.S. and Iraqi Forces are working to ensure safety for the Iraqi people during the Shiite holiday, Ara'been. Ara'been, is a re-enactment of the pilgrimage of Mohammed from Najah to Karbala, Iraq


Who's supplying the MG3's?
:D

[Freibier]

They have good taste it seems :D
The cross on the churchdoor also looks like a enlonged ironcross - i smell a conspiracy ;)

[Macs.]

Hmm, maybe some from Italia or Spain ?

[HardThunder]

I have no idea. I know I have seen MG3s in use by Iraq going back to the Iran vs Iraq war. I think Iran had them. Anyway with the mix, and match they are ending up with it will make it harder to form any kind of standard even for ammo supply (Linked ammo and all). But hay, it is Their country, and their Army. Get what you can get, and use what you can use, then think about what you, need, want, desire, and work on them.

[GothicSnake]

Well, however they got 'em they definitely made a good decision. That beast has got to be the best GPMG ever. Do they make them in selective fire? Cause IMO it would be more useful if you could have a lower ROF setting (like 600-700 RPM) and then it's normal bullet hose ROF.

[Jagr]

Pakistan uses loads of them...

The obvious supplier choice would be the Germans, but they may have gotten them second hand..

[AOCBravo2004]

Well, however they got 'em they definitely made a good decision. That beast has got to be the best GPMG ever. Do they make them in selective fire? Cause IMO it would be more useful if you could have a lower ROF setting (like 600-700 RPM) and then it's normal bullet hose ROF.

Just out of curiosity what is the ROF of the MG3??? Is it the same as the old MG42?

[GothicSnake]

Well, however they got 'em they definitely made a good decision. That beast has got to be the best GPMG ever. Do they make them in selective fire? Cause IMO it would be more useful if you could have a lower ROF setting (like 600-700 RPM) and then it's normal bullet hose ROF.

Just out of curiosity what is the ROF of the MG3??? Is it the same as the old MG42?I believe so, yes. 1200 RPM, IIRC. That's a lot of lead, man. *whistle* :lol:

[nickless]

Well, however they got 'em they definitely made a good decision. That beast has got to be the best GPMG ever. Do they make them in selective fire? Cause IMO it would be more useful if you could have a lower ROF setting (like 600-700 RPM) and then it's normal bullet hose ROF.

Just out of curiosity what is the ROF of the MG3??? Is it the same as the old MG42?

The MG3's rate of fire is around 1200 rounds per minute, the MG42 had an even higher rate (around 1500) because of it's lighter bolt and possibly the more powerful cartridge.

There are no selective fire versions available, all MG42 and MG3 variants are full auto only. However, some users like Austria chose to use a heavier bolt on their MG3s that lowers the rof even more (~850 rpm in Austria's case).

[Marmot1]

Aren't they from Yugoslavia? seems that they have a lot of stuff from yugoslavia.

[Luno]

I am have seen a picture from the Iran-Iraq war and the text on the picture claimed it where a MG42 not an MG3 but I cant remember where I saw it :(

[-=P=-]

The MG3 is the standard MG of the Iranian Army likely that they sized them during the war put them into storage and with NATO 7.62 widely avialable they are now in service.

[HardThunder]

The MG3 is the standard MG of the Iranian Army likely that they sized them during the war put them into storage and with NATO 7.62 widely avialable they are now in service.

I did think about that. The only problem is if they are that old, and combat surplus/prizes they seem to be in mint condition. Like new, or rebuilt.

So I would have to say someone that makes them is providing Iraq with them. IMOHA

[Wodan]

let me see... who uses the MG3?

Germany(dont think so)
Chile(why?)
Denmark(naa)
Italy(possible, as fighting in iraq, by donating)
Pakistan(possible, by selling)
Saudi Arabia(possible, donation or selling)
Iran(possible, stolen)
Norway(naaaa)
Austria(naaaa)
Portugal(possible, by donation)
Turkey(possble, by selling or donation)
MG3 clones are built in Yugoslavia (possible by selling)


so there is much possible, we will never know, propably

[Cooler Master]

http://img119.exs.cx/img119/2628/confiscatedweaponsg55oe.jpg

I've found this pic from an American Soldier in Iraq. Is it a MG-3 or MG-42??

[RS_Leo1A5]

I've found this pic from an American Soldier in Iraq. Is it a MG-3 or MG-42??
Judging from the design of the recoil booster it's a MG3.
That's AFAIK the only difference between MG3 and MG42 visible from the outside (other differences would be calibre, ability to use disintegrating belts, etc.).

[oldsoak]

I think POF ( Pakistan Ordnance Factory ) is a possiblility...

[OMEGA7]

I've found this pic from an American Soldier in Iraq. Is it a MG-3 or MG-42??
Judging from the design of the recoil booster it's a MG3.
That's AFAIK the only difference between MG3 and MG42 visible from the outside (other differences would be calibre, ability to use disintegrating belts, etc.).

i think that sure . the MG3's ammunition use only 7.62mm but the MG42 machingun need fire ammunition which's a 7.65 mm . therefore both guns ability different point not approximate about booster design . maker .

[garoco]

"FYI"

The Australian Defence Force does operate the MG3 machine gun. The First Armoured Regiment's AS1 tanks (Leopard 1A4 tropicalised) came equipped with this exceptional machine gun back in the 1970's.

I have seen this weapon fired both onboard the Leopard and on bipods. What an amazing experience, though I am sad to say I was merely observing and not behind the trigger! lol

[oldsoak]

I've found this pic from an American Soldier in Iraq. Is it a MG-3 or MG-42??
Judging from the design of the recoil booster it's a MG3.
That's AFAIK the only difference between MG3 and MG42 visible from the outside (other differences would be calibre, ability to use disintegrating belts, etc.).

i think that sure . the MG3's ammunition use only 7.62mm but the MG42 machingun need fire ammunition which's a 7.65 mm . therefore both guns ability different point not approximate about booster design . maker .

MG42's use 7.92mm - still a current military cartridge in the Balkans.

[OMEGA7]

"FYI"

The Australian Defence Force does operate the MG3 machine gun. The First Armoured Regiment's AS1 tanks (Leopard 1A4 tropicalised) came equipped with this exceptional machine gun back in the 1970's.

I have seen this weapon fired both onboard the Leopard and on bipods. What an amazing experience, though I am sad to say I was merely observing and not behind the trigger! lol

in a word did you've been join the army?

[garoco]

To answer your question Omega7, yes I have served within the Australian Army :)

[He219]

I think POF ( Pakistan Ordnance Factory ) is a possiblility...

I read something about that and how POF now has an ISO certification to manufacture weapons for Giat, amongst others.

[OMEGA7]

To answer your question Omega7, yes I have served within the Australian Army :)

really ? its so greatful! because you are an AUS army who isn't know how could the somebody enter the AUS army, US army , NZ, CAN , UK , and my living in my country's JPN , if how did you've part of AUS army .

[FB]

Well, however they got 'em they definitely made a good decision. That beast has got to be the best GPMG ever. Do they make them in selective fire? Cause IMO it would be more useful if you could have a lower ROF setting (like 600-700 RPM) and then it's normal bullet hose ROF.

Just out of curiosity what is the ROF of the MG3??? Is it the same as the old MG42?

The MG3's rate of fire is around 1200 rounds per minute, the MG42 had an even higher rate (around 1500) because of it's lighter bolt and possibly the more powerful cartridge.

There are no selective fire versions available, all MG42 and MG3 variants are full auto only. However, some users like Austria chose to use a heavier bolt on their MG3s that lowers the rof even more (~850 rpm in Austria's case).

That's what the Italian post WWII version of the MG 42 has: a heavier bolt that reduces the rate of fire from the original 1.200+ rpm to 850/950 rpm. This was done in order to save ammo and, above all, the barrels. it was judged that rpms in the order of about 900 were enough.

In Italy there were some original WWII MG42 modified in the new 7,62 NATO caliber (don't know if still in service, but maybe in some depot there could be some left), but the whole bunch of this weapon stock is of post war production, after 1959, and built by Beretta with the official designation (the same used by the Italian Army) of MG42/59. I think, but am not sure, that lighter bolts are available (or can be available) in order to augment its rof and bring it to the "historical" level of 1.200+ rpm. I believe that this possibility is especially foreseen for weapons mounted on helis, tanks etc. Those weapons of stricter infantry use (SAWs) are fitted with the heavier one.

Best regards