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Uncle Chô
11-26-2003, 01:34 PM
If someone ever had some doubts about...

The Airbus A-300B4F was going through 8.000 feet on climbing about 6 NM from the airport when it was hit by a missile (Sa-7 or Sa-14). The left wing was damaged with a loss of hydraulic power and fire. The crew managed to make an emergency descent through 3 patterns, lowered the landing gear and landed. They were unable to control a straight line and stopped out of the paved runway.

Nobody was hurt.

Yes, everybody got lucky that day... :|

Talking about the video, the tape was given to a French woman journalist at her hotel in Baghdad and to several others press correspondants. Like the Chechnian "propaganda" tapes, it was not filmed by the Western journalist but by the terrorists themselves. On the other hands at least 2 experienced photographers (they were in Iraq for several months) from the weekly magazine "Paris Match" were present at the launch site. They claimed they have been told by some mujaheddens they would be allow to take pictures of a weapon cache, not a real ops of an airplane attack. They left Iraq on Monday for "safety reasons".

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aau.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aaq.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aab.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aad.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aaf.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aag.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aar.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aaj.jpg

http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aai.jpg

Caribou Kid
11-26-2003, 05:06 PM
Impressive pictures. Cheers for posting them.

Notice how the warhead was barely more than 3 or 4 meters away from the port side engine. Remembering that many planes(particularly heavily laden cargo ones) have fuel in their wings, there was probably some very adrenalin filled moments after impact, bring that bird onto the ground and still managing to walk away unassisted.

Those DHL crewmembers probably used up 6 months worth of luck in one day, getting out of that little incident. The pilot(s) probably didn't have to pay for too many beers that night, I would guess. p-) I wonder how much more Danger pay you get for flying over to Afghanistan as Civvie/freight air crew, compared to Military air crew danger allowance. (As much free goat cheese as you want...plus free sticker and and baseball hat!... ;) )

earl
11-26-2003, 06:55 PM
http://radiocockpit.com/albums/samdhl/aar.jpg

All things considered, I'd accept this, but... ouch.

AVZ
11-26-2003, 06:57 PM
Come on american people! It's an AIRBUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is quality right out of europe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

remember: these pilots are trained!!We don't let them flight in unknown environment!! :roll:

He219
11-26-2003, 07:13 PM
Superb pic's Uncle Cho!
:D


Thanks for posting them. Notice the GE engines, AVZ? ;)

I'm glad the crew made it out safely.

wholagun
11-26-2003, 07:25 PM
Wow that air slide deployed a bit too close to the razor wire.
How bad would that suck: you slide down to escape from the only only to cut up by the wire.

Luckily nothing happened.
Good pics BTW.



Come on american people! It's an AIRBUS!!!!!!!

Airbus isn't German is it? If so, im not surprized you are mad man engineers. If it ain't German its crap.

cut
11-26-2003, 07:32 PM
Come on american people! It's an AIRBUS!!!!!!!

Airbus isn't German is it? If so, im not surprized you are mad man engineers. If it ain't German its crap.

it's european, different countries build the various parts and they are assembled in toulouse in the south of france.

Caribou Kid
11-26-2003, 08:20 PM
Herr AVZ,

Until He219 posted, No one from the US had said anything on this thread! Steady on there, while you are jumping to your conclusion, friend. :oops:

Oh, BTW, is this possibly the same EUROPEAN quality that made the Concorde (European quality at it's finest, mate!) crash and burn when its' wing tanks were punctured by debris/foreign object? Is this not similar to how an AIRBUS might crash or burn if the wing tanks were punctured by an exploding missile warhead?

And it's not a question of TRAINING, either. Allowances are extra money you get for going to dangerous or very remote places. For example, like flying supplies to Antarctica in snow-modified c-130, or flying in a Combat Zone, because of very REAL threat of hostile fire (Both unfriendly, and sadly, friendly) shooting your aircraft. You get MORE money flying there than if you are just an Instructor giving flying Lessons at Flight training school, No matter if you are in Polish, British, German or even French Air Force, Dangerous allowance is exactly that.

I was NOT talking about allowing them to fly in an unkown environment.

But I was talking about Civilian DHL aircrew flying into area where there is a real risk of Stinger/SAM-7/small arms fire being used on them. Do you suppose they get extra money for flying there compared to landing in...Hong Kong, or Singapore?

I would think MOST, if not ALL good pilots regularly practice or rehearse the procedures for "Actions to perform in the event of a major Hydraulics failure/engine failure/fuel systems breach." This is not some secret tecnique taught "only" to superior European-trained pilots, mate. :P

Uncle Chô
11-27-2003, 12:48 AM
:cantbeli: Who cares if the aircraft is an American or European design ??

And it is because it is made in Europe it should have had so little damages ?? rofl

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

It is more likely because the warhead did not explode (no sign of schrapnels in the pictures) and the missile "only" punctured the aileron and wing...

Should I remember you that most latest Airbus like the A-340 or A-380 are fitted with 50 % components of American origin ?

Come on, grew up, be an adult and stop that stupid little war... :roll:

lefador1
11-27-2003, 02:00 AM
Well Uncle Cho obviously humour is not your forte, is it? I believe the original "euro pride" post was made as a playful/joking manner.

But as far as your BS comment about the 340/330 being 50% american made, well mate if you are going to make up BS make it BIG. Sheesh, an A330/340 is 93% American! LOL... I am sure there are American made parts, like the Engines for those curstomers who chose the GEs or the P&Ws, but going so far as making half of the plane as US made components is a tad of an stretch. I am sure Boeing subcontracts parts to European manufacturers too...

Uncle Chô
11-27-2003, 05:49 AM
Well Uncle Cho obviously humour is not your forte, is it? I believe the original "euro pride" post was made as a playful/joking manner.

I don't think so. This forum mostly reflects national pride for everything, regardless of common sense. Have you noticed some smileys ?

But as far as your BS comment about the 340/330 being 50% american made, well mate if you are going to make up BS make it BIG.

BS ? Do you know anything about parts for the airliner industry ? This is my job. The A380 is indeed an European design but will be made out of 50% American components. Components mean parts from bolts to engines.

Sheesh, an A330/340 is 93% American! LOL... I am sure there are American made parts, like the Engines for those curstomers who chose the GEs or the P&Ws, but going so far as making half of the plane as US made components is a tad of an stretch.

Do some researches... By the way, GE engines called CFM56 that power about 5 000 airplanes in the world are a 50/50 partnership between France and the USA

I am sure Boeing subcontracts parts to European manufacturers too...

Correct.

The Punk
11-27-2003, 05:58 AM
Anyone knows where is possible download the video of what happened? I know that a french journalist has done one.

lefador1
11-27-2003, 06:58 AM
BS ? Do you know anything about parts for the airliner industry ? This is my job. The A380 is indeed an European design but will be made out of 50% American components. Components mean parts from bolts to engines.

LOL... It so happens I work for one of the partners in the Airbus consortium, so yeah I know what I am talking about. The 330/340 are far from having that level of US made parts, in fact that is one of the reasons why the US govt is doing all they can to discourage US carriers to even considering one of those birds.

rofl

Miles Teg
11-27-2003, 07:56 AM
Just to say that this morning I miss to collide with a A340 (or other Airbus, wasn't write on it) in Rouen center town.

...

Yes it was only a big part of the frame but it was invading the half of my way. :D


Good job from the DHL crew, they can put a light in church for the missing missile.

Lobo
12-06-2003, 03:22 PM
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Special%20Reports.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=89&rnd=637.0176827165606


The bulk of the damage is the LH wing. About 3 metres of rear spar is missing in front of the outboard flap, the wing has bulged upwards and downwards where the initial explosion appears to have occurred, one O/B flap track is hanging in the breeze and one has a small piece of flap still attached, the rest of the flap is nonexistent. The pics show the huge crack that has occurred to the rear spar inboard of where the spar has burnt away, possibly from loads on the wing during the landing process. The front spar appears to be intact.

The point of entry pics show where a projectile entered Tank 1A, which was full of fuel, and, after it ignited, proceeded to burn away at the spar. The fuel tank ribs in the area directly in front of the O/B flap are burnt almost 50% through.

The crew obviously did a fantastic job in getting the aircraft back on to the ground and one can only assume that it was most fortunate that they were not aware of the state of the wing as they could not see it from the cockpit.

It also says a lot for the structure of the aircraft that it withstood the impact of the (whatever is finally determined to have hit it)

Let me have a little of Europride. woot