Misc. Photos 11/28

[budanski]

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Soldiers from 5th Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 20th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division fire their crew-served weapons and small arms Sunday to confirm that their weapons are zeroed-in at weapons zero ranges at Camp Udairi, Kuwait.

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A soldier patrols outside his Stryker vehicle Sunday as members of 5th Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 20th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division at weapons zero ranges in Camp Udairi prepare for operations in Iraq.

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Fifty caliber brass shell casings litter the ground as members of 5th Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 20th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division zero in their weapons Sunday at Camp Udairi.

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Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 23rd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division load equipment, food and water onto their vehicles Sunday at Camp Udairi before leaving for Iraq.
For those curious, the caging is to intercept RPGs

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A pair of Strykers convoy though the Kuwaiti desert Sunday after spending the day at weapon ranges at Camp Udairi.

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Second Lt. Rich Cliff, from Charleston, S.C., looks out the top hatch Sunday while riding in a Stryker as they convoyed though the Kuwaiti desert from weapon ranges at Camp Udairi.

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Iraqi Shiite Muslims pray on Tuesday, the first day of Eid al-Fitr, in the Shiite enclave Sadr City in Baghdad in the midst of an Army tank. Eid al-Fitr starts the day after the end of Ramadan, the holy month during which observant Muslims refrain from eating, drinking, smoking and other pleasures from dawn to dusk.

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An interrogator, left, and Arabic translator from the 1-504th Regiment of the 82nd Airborne Division from Fort Bragg, N.C., nicknamed the “Red Devils,” question a detained Iraqi man during a Tuesday raid in Nassar el al Salaam, Iraq. The man was later released
Hey, the American wants to know if you want a "bitch" slap or a "ho" slap?

[Seraphim]

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Paying respect
Casings fly as the honor guard chambers another round for the ceremonial firing of volleys during the memorial for Staff Sgt. Ermest Bucklew at Soldiers' Memorial Chapel at Fort Carson, Colo., on Nov. 25. Bucklew was killed when a CH-47 helicopter he was riding in crashed in Iraq.

[wholagun]

For those curious, the caging is to intercept RPGs

Look at this guy, always thinking ahead (answered my question)..
genius Budanski pure genius. p-)

[budanski]

Ah, I read about the rigging on Strategypage a few months back but never saw what it looked like. When I saw it, I knew exactly what they were for. :D

[wholagun]

So the idea here is that if the RPG hits it will explode upon impact witht he cage right. Is that really enough to stop an RPG from destroying the APC? Seems simple, thats why it must work.

I can picture it now downtown Baghdad, Arab insergent laughing at US troops for such a goofy vehicle
he shoots off a RPG.....
Sees it did **** all starts ranting in Arabic.. ahlah bah sah ka ha ba.......(traslation - thats F***ing genius)

[Steve Andrews]

I often wondered if they would work on a vehicle.
Rocket screens have been successful on the sangars of Northern Ireland.
http://mprofaca.cro.net/newtonhamilton.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/855000/images/_859388_sanger300.jpg

[wyrm_142]

Its not so much the cage destroys the RPG - more in that it crushes the shape of the shaped charge warhead, thus mearly causing an explosion (with a very small amount of charge).

This isn't a new thing - Russians / Israelis have been using it for years. Matter in fact I was wondering how long it was going to take us to do the same (I see it was about 9 months).

[S'13]

Israel's answer to RPG and anti-tank missiles:

The "Zelda 2" APC
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"Zelda 2" APC is an upgraded modification of "Zelda" APC. Based on M113 APC this troop carrier implements a new concept of armor - primarily blazer armor. "Zelda's" armor provides protection from such anti-tank misseiles as "Spigot", "Sagger" and "Milan".

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/Zelda2.html

[Roger Rabbit]

Didn't the Allied tankers used to put sand bags on the front of their vehicles to stop panzerfusts in WW2? Also who was it that came up with having a sort of extra layer or armour. Like the cages except instead of being mesh it was a metal plate. But the same structure if you get what i mean.

[Operation Ivy]

Yea they did but it didnt help much :(

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I believe that caging or strong wire mesh disrupts the piezo-electric fuse at the front of the warhead. The earliest i've heard it being used is during the vietnam conflict to protect aircraft in dispersal areas.

[wholagun]

Can someone give me a pic and explain how a shaped charge works. Iv heard about sabbot and heat rounds but never shaped. What is the difference between a sabbot heat and shaped and how is one better compared to the others and in which cases would you use the various rounds. I know **** all when it comes to tanks and thier ammunition. :|


Operation Ivy if you will.......

[Apogee]

A SABOT round is a kentic energy round. That big round that you see loaded up into the tank is not what slams into the bad guy. Instead a very thin and heavy pointed rod will hit the enemy tank. What this does is it focuses all of the energy into a very small area. The force and interia behind that small object packs an extremly small punch. Heres a picture of a SABOT round shedding the rest of the round.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds02.jpg

Hope that explains it a little bit.

Have a good one.

[budanski]

Shaped Charge (http://www.llnl.gov/str/Baum.html)
A shaped charge is a concave metal hemisphere or cone (known as a liner) backed by a high explosive, all in a steel or aluminum casing. When the high explosive is detonated, the metal liner is compressed and squeezed forward, forming a jet whose tip may travel as fast as 10 kilometers per second. Shaped charges were first developed after World War I to penetrate tanks and other armored equipment. Their most extensive use today is in the oil and gas industry where they open up the rock around drilled wells.

[Deuterium]

The HEAT round, RPG,AT-4, SMAW-D, LAW, and many AT rounds all use shaped charges. This phenomenon is known in the U. S. and Britain as the Munroe effect and in Europe as the von Foerster or Neumann effect. The charge forms a small jet of material that is projected into the target. In a typical shape charge the hole that is left is very tiny, say coin sized. The charge looks like this: Basically think of the bottom of a champangne bottle. This concave surface forms the basis of the charge. Explosives are filled into the portion of the bottle where the wine would normally be. A standoff distance is needed from the bottom of the bottle to to the inteded target in order to ensure the jet has time to form.

[Javehn]

The simplest **** to do against HE (High Explosive) warheads , or Tandem warheads are simple . No woods , no **** , and specially no sand bags - those babies tends to flame , and bye bye America ...
Answer is simple - bed springs , simple fence or that kinda ****. Merkava sollution is the balls in the back of the turret. Russian sollution in Afganistan - just like i said , bed springs , that called "Lenin's bed" , if i am not mistaken.
Here's how the it works -
http://www.steelbeasts.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=download&id=285

Got it , son ? Those solutions come to explode the charge before it hits the real targets , so the charge that comming to the target itself will be minimal , and maybe the armor could take the impact.

[Operation Ivy]

Psh y'all beat me to the answer!! :fork: :P

[ArmedPacifist]

How are those Strykers doing?

[Javehn]

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Looks like nice "occupation" photo.
Easy to mistake , ha ..?

[Haiw]

the gunner just said 'get your heads down'...
pretty obediant chaps those iraqis i must say ;)