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jizzmonkey
11-28-2003, 05:51 PM
Hearts and Minds - US style


By Scott Taylor in Tikrit, Iraq

Thursday 27 November 2003, 15:03 Makka Time, 12:03 GMT


Hearts and minds taken too literally by some trigger-happy troops

As American troops exit the former Presidential Palace complex in Tikrit, the last thing they see emblazoned above the arched gateway is the 4th Infantry Division motto: Strike First.

Since the last of the organised Iraqi military resistance was crushed in late April, these expansive palace grounds have been the headquarters for the US 4th Division.

As the birthplace of ousted president Saddam Hussein, Tikrit has proven to be a hotbed of Iraqi resistance throughout the US occupation.

I asked my escort Specialist Jack Craig, a military policeman from Minnesota, how he correlated the "strike first" directive with the US military's current policy of attempting to win the "hearts and minds" of the local population.

"Actually, I see 'hearts and minds' as a tactical doctrine. To me, it means that's where we should aim first," said Craig. " Shoot them in the body or in the head, but just make sure you shoot them first."

Dangerous mentality

From his humourless expression, I presumed that he wasn't joking.

"We have two major factors effecting the ability for some of our troops to understand restraint," said Eddie Calis, the civilian security adviser at the US airbase at Kirkuk, in northern Iraq.

"One problem is that a lot of our soldiers are ****-scared and want to get out of here alive, no matter what that entails.

"The second and much less widespread issue is that of misplaced patriotism," said Calis, giving as an example one of the soldiers stationed at the Kirkuk airfield will soon be rotated back to America, and who feels that he has yet to fulfil his national duty.

"Every day he complains that he has not yet had the opportunity to kill an Iraqi, and do his bit for the war," explained Calis.

Provoking a shooting

"On several recent occasions he has initiated provocation deliberately with local drivers at the gate, and I only hope that [this soldier] will be sent home before he fulfils his quest at the cost of an innocent life."

However, aggressive and violent behaviour on the part of individual soldiers are not the only contributors to the American alienation of the local people.

In recent weeks, the Kirkuk airbase has come under almost daily attacks by Iraqi resistance fighters.

The increase in hostilities has been attributed to an influx of foreign Arab resistance fighters into the Kirkuk area. In an attempt to apprehend the perpetrators, the US offered a $50 cash bonus to the local police force for each suspect arrested.

Paid to arrest ... anyone

Unfortunately, the post-war Kirkuk police force has been almost entirely recruited from the ethnic Kurdish minority. With little love for their Arab neighbours, the police wasted no time in collecting the promised bounty.

"The very next day the Kurdish police showed up with three badly beaten Arabs - one of whom had been shot in the arm - claiming that they were 'Saddam loyalists'," said Eddie Calis.

Although the reward was paid, the three men were cleared after a brief interrogation.


"They were completely innocent, so we released them immediately. Unfortunately, the image of beaten US captives will not improve our standing and trust with the local Arabs."

The unofficial policy of cash rewards was also quickly revoked, "but the damage was already done," said Calis.

Public relations meltdown

With the US military suffering from such public relations setbacks, the stiffening resistance has taken on almost mythical qualities amongst the Iraqi population.

Explosions and gunfire routinely erupt in Baghdad, followed by the sound of sirens and helicopters. Whether or not these attacks actually target US personnel or cause any casualties is almost irrelevant.

The perception remains that the Americans are suffering serious casualties.

"There are many more dead and wounded US soldiers than they admit to," said Anmar Saadi, a 43-year-old former Iraqi soldier.

Living close to the US-controlled airport and a major highway intersection, Saadi has witnessed numerous attacks against American convoys during the nine months of US occupation.

US media blackout

"Often the attacks I see are not reported in the Western media," said Saadi.

The local media on the other hand often glorify resistance strikes, by detailing how rockets were deceptively deployed by the use of donkey carts and portraying the random ambushes as being part of a well-orchestrated guerrilla campaign.

"At the moment, the Iraqi resistance has the upper hand in this struggle," said Jabar Abu Marwan, a former senior officer with Saddam's Mukhabarat (the Iraqi secret service).

"Both the resistance and the US countermeasures are putting civilians at risk and creating collateral damage. However, while the Americans have failed to win the hearts of Iraqis, the resistance has at least captured their imaginations."

Scott Taylor is the author of "Spinning on the Axis of Evil: America's War Against Iraq", published by Esprit de Corps Books.




Okay, granted I got this off of aljazeera, so that explains a lot, but the author is American, I think he's biased, buuuut it makes you wonder how much of this might actually be true, and I hope its not. weird.

California Joe
11-28-2003, 05:59 PM
That's a bull**** tactic. Any service members will tell you that "gallows" humor is commonplace. It's not PC but it's real.Take a few isolated incidents and extrapolate it to be US policy. That's like claiming that the suicides of a few service members reflect all soldiers in Iraq. I have no doubt that there are frustrated scared kids in Iraq. But our armed services are professional.

jizzmonkey
11-28-2003, 06:08 PM
That's a bull**** tactic. Any service members will tell you that "gallows" humor is commonplace. It's not PC but it's real.Take a few isolated incidents and extrapolate it to be US policy. That's like claiming that the suicides of a few service members reflect all soldiers in Iraq. I have no doubt that there are frustrated scared kids in Iraq. But our armed services are professional.

I agree, and the Spc That said this was quoted and named, so you know that the young MP is probably answering to his chain of command for having a big mouth in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
****ty thing.

California Joe
11-28-2003, 06:17 PM
Incredibly stupid to give your name etc. to a reporter while running your mouth. I like the dichotomy though, when a soldier says something retarded it's suddenly a heinous act. When the average Iraqi cab driver gets interviewed and acts joyous about US service members dying it's seen as evidence of US imperialism.

mocking_loudly_died
11-28-2003, 07:52 PM
Shut up Yankee imperialist dog.......hmmm I suddenly feel like McDonalds.

:D

California Joe
11-28-2003, 07:58 PM
I have beer and Big Macs and I sent the wife and kids to a movie, stop on over. I'm watching Rich Girls on MTV. I want to kill them. It's fun.

mocking_loudly_died
11-28-2003, 08:22 PM
My mom won't let me hang with you. :oops:

We have a bizzare "Norman bates" thing going on.

California Joe
11-28-2003, 08:43 PM
Enemy at the Gates is on right now so I can't chat about your Mom.

I love it for it's dirty Russian girls and their ****s and sniping and historical innacuracies.

PS I'm not Michael Jackson. Honest.

kutter
11-28-2003, 09:59 PM
Okay, granted I got this off of aljazeera, so that explains a lot, but the author is American, I think he's biased, buuuut it makes you wonder how much of this might actually be true, and I hope its not. weird.

Actually the author is Canadian. He's the editor and publisher of Esprit de Corp magazine and a well known military analyst up here in Canada.

StarvingStudent47
11-29-2003, 12:10 AM
I have beer and Big Macs and I sent the wife and kids to a movie, stop on over. I'm watching Rich Girls on MTV. I want to kill them. It's fun.

Did you ever see the episode where they discuss how there are "some people in the world" who don't wear cargo pants because they look sexy with stiletto heels; they wear cargo pants because they need the extra pockets?

Effing priceless. I love that show.

martinexsquaddie
11-29-2003, 12:12 AM
if your going to say something "bone" to a reporter Like that and your too stupid enough not to give the name of your platoon commander when asked by the reporter you deserve all you get :lol:

StarvingStudent47
11-29-2003, 12:14 AM
Okay, granted I got this off of aljazeera, so that explains a lot, but the author is American, I think he's biased, buuuut it makes you wonder how much of this might actually be true, and I hope its not. weird.

This article goes against everything I've heard from guys who actually were over there (whether it be direct letters from acquaintences who are over there, or interviews in the local papers with guys who are returning).

JF45
11-29-2003, 02:05 AM
Enemy at the Gates is on right now so I can't chat about your Mom.

I love it for it's dirty Russian girls and their ****s and sniping and historical innacuracies.

PS I'm not Michael Jackson. Honest.
Gotta love Hollywood's twist on everything. One minute Vasili has no confidence, then his girlfriend wants to go to her certain death and he's unstoppable. And Danilov gets his idioligical epiphany after he thinks she gets killed. What brought about these profound changes? The loss of one woman! Nothing changes them faster than knowing they're gonna lose some pussy.

Uncle Sam
11-29-2003, 03:56 AM
C'MON !!!! :bash:

jizzmonkey
11-29-2003, 08:35 AM
Okay, granted I got this off of aljazeera, so that explains a lot, but the author is American, I think he's biased, buuuut it makes you wonder how much of this might actually be true, and I hope its not. weird.

Actually the author is Canadian. He's the editor and publisher of Esprit de Corp magazine and a well known military analyst up here in Canada.


I stand erected

California Joe
11-29-2003, 10:05 AM
Did you ever see the episode where they discuss how there are "some people in the world" who don't wear cargo pants because they look sexy with stiletto heels; they wear cargo pants because they need the extra pockets?

Effing priceless. I love that show.

Quote: "...like fashion, people out in the midwest someplace don't buy cargo pants because like they'll look hot with stilleto's and a sexy top like I'm wearing tonight, they just buy them cause they like need more pockets to use when they're you know working in the fields or something..."

"yeah like cause they need pockets or extra zippers cause they need them you know?"

They're like little rich Anna Nicole's