Today's Pic's. Nov. 29 Warning Graphic Material

[Seraphim]

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The sun sets as a Spanish soldier sits at his machinegun gun guarding a helicopter landing zone in central Iraq (news - web sites). Seven Spanish intelligence agents were killed in an attack on their convoy south of Baghdad.(AFP/File/Thomas Coex)



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Fernando Suarez del Solar, who's son Marine Lance Cpl. Jesus Suarez del Solar, 20, was killed in Iraq (news - web sites) eight months ago by an unexpolded American cluster bomb, packs a stack of cards and letters from middle school students across California for Iraqi children as he prepares to depart for Iraq on a peace mission Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003, in the Arleta section of Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)


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US Army soldiers laugh as they enjoy the BRAVO! Army theatre touring company performing the play 'Farley Family Reunion'at the Tallil Air base near the southern Iraqi town of Nasiriyah, Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)


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Spain's Defence Minister Federico Trillo makes a statement at the Defence Ministry in Madrid, Saturday Nov. 29, 2003 after it was confirmed that seven members of Spain's military intelligence agency were killed in an ambush in Al Mamudiya, 30 kilometers from Baghdad. (AP Photo/Paul White)


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Susan Tyrell (L), mother of PFC Scott Tyrrell, touches his casket after funeral services at St. Mary's Cemetery in Oregon, Illinois, November 29, 2003. With over 75 service men and women killed in the month of November, the U.S. government said it has been the deadliest month since the war began. Tyrrell died November 20, while serving in Iraq (news - web sites). *******/Frank Polich


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Members of an Army Honor Guard carry the casket of PFC Scott Tyrrell for a graveside service at St. Mary's Cemetery in Oregon, Illinois, November 29, 2003. With over 75 service men and women killed in the month of November, the U.S. government said it has been the deadliest month since the war began. Tyrrell died November 20, while serving in Iraq (news - web sites). *******/Frank Polich


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In this image from video, corpses of unidentified Spanish military intelligence officers on a highway south of Baghdad on Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. Attackers ambushed a convoy of Spanish military intelligence officers killing at least six agents and wounding one, a Spanish defense ministry official said. (AP Photo/SKY News)


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Iraqi's celebrate over the bodies of killed members of a Spanish military intelligence team on a street, south of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov 29, 2003. At least six people where killed and one injured in the attack on the Spanish military intelligence team in Iraq (news - web sites), Spanish official said. (AP Photo/Sky News)

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In this image from video, the foot of Iraqu citizen is seen resting on the corpse of an unidentified Spanish military intelligence officer on a highway south of Baghdad on Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/SKY News)



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Commander of U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites) Lt. General Ricardo Sanchez gestures during a news conference in Baghdad November 29, 2003. At least four and possibly eight members of a Spanish intelligence team were killed south of Baghdad, Britain's Sky News television reported, the latest guerrilla attack on a close U.S. ally in Iraq. Sky reporter David Bowden said from Baghdad after returning from the scene that he saw four bodies and that local people said eight were killed in total and another two people taken prisoner. Photo by Ceerwan Aziz/*******


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Composite photo showing police mugshots of four suspected terrorists, who allegedly organized a network seeking to recruit Islamic militants for suicide attacks against coalition forces in Iraq (news - web sites). Muhamad Majid, alias Mullah Fouad, top left, is still sought by police and is believed to have left Italy, Bouyahia Maher Ben Abdelaziz, top right, of Tunisia, and Housni Jamal, bottom left, of Morocco, were arrested in Milan, Italy, while Abderrazak Mahdjoub, bottom right, of Algeria, was apprehended in Hamburg, Germany, on an arrest warrant issued in Milan by prosecutor Stefano Dambruoso. The photos were released by police in Milan, Italy, Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/HO)


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Soldiers of the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division (Task Force Ironhorse) play basketball with Iraqi youths at a military camp, a former Republican Guard base, outside Baquba, November 29, 2003. The soldiers won their friendly match 42-40 against a team from Diliya community college. *******/Shamil Zhumatov


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The commander of U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites), Lt. General Ricardo Sanchez sticks his tongue out during a news conference in Baghdad November 29, 2003. Sanchez said that the U.S. is increasing the number of infantry soldiers in Iraq and moving from a force based on tanks and heavy armored vehicles to one specializing in urban assault raids, using lighter vehicles and intelligence. *******/Ceerwan Aziz


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South Korean protesters burn a U.S. flag during an anti-U.S. rally near the U.S. embassy in Seoul November 29, 2003. Hundreds of activists and students rallied on Saturday to protest against the possible dispatch of South Korean combat troops to Iraq (news - web sites) and to commemorate the death of two South Korean school girls by a U.S. armed vehicle during a military exercise last year. *******/Lee Jung-Min


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An Iraqi girl covers her face as U.S. army soldiers search for insurgents in the center of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov 29 2003. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)


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Elderly Iraqis women gather under the supervision of U.S. soldiers to collect compensation payments for war widows in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, November 29, 2003. Thousands of women lost their husbands during the recent conflict. *******/Zohra Bensemra


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A female U.S. soldier conducts security checks on women collecting compensation payment for war widows in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul November 29, 2003. Thousands of women lost their husbands during the recent conflict. *******/Zohra Bensemra


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Iraqi trainees of the ICDC, Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, are taught rifle drill by an Italian Army officer inside a former Iraqi Army base near the southern Iraqi town of Nasiriyah, Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. After a four-week training course the ICDC will help Italian troops accomplish their military police task. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)


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A soldier of U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division (Task Force Ironhorse), Pfc. Guerrero Sanrazeeedee from Corpus Christi, Texas, is on top of a Bradley vehicle guarding an office building in Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


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A soldier of U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division (Task Force Ironhorse) checks an Iraqi man with a metal detector before he enters an office building in Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. A U.S. Army Bradley vehicle is seen in background. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


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Iraqi youths watch a soldier of the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division (Task Force Ironhorse) check an Iraqi woman with a metal detector before she enters an office building in Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


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[Whistler]

Man things like that Spanish intel team really piss me off.

More proof that trying to help people in the middle east (except for maybe the Israelis) is a waste of time, money, and life.

[Marxist203]

That punk kid posing on top of the Spaniard really irks me...There is a certain amount of respect you give to the dead, enemy or not.

[Macs.]

That punk kid posing on top of the Spaniard really irks me...There is a certain amount of respect you give to the dead, enemy or not.

Yes, but these people don't have any respect.

This reminds me on Somalia. Terrible.

[MARINO]

thats the problem with poor countries, they don't have education so they don't know what is respect. they are like animals.But they are also coward people.
This spanish officers where fighting wih irakis during 30min with only their 9mm.

[Seraphim]

thats the problem with poor countries, they don't have education so they don't know what is respect. they are like animals.But they are also coward people.
This spanish officers where fighting wih irakis during 30min with only their 9mm.

Where you get this information from?

[usa320]

Ive always felt that the youth were the most susceptible to brainwashing, and i think they are really the main force behind the militant attacks, the age group between like 17 and 25...

They were probably part of that little Saddam Lions brigade or whatever, and they are brainwashed as all hell.

[96B]

God bless those Spaniards

[ArmedPacifist]

That punk kid posing on top of the Spaniard really irks me...There is a certain amount of respect you give to the dead, enemy or not.

I agree with you 100%. It really bothers me aswell.

[MARINO]

thats the problem with poor countries, they don't have education so they don't know what is respect. they are like animals.But they are also coward people.
This spanish officers where fighting wih irakis during 30min with only their 9mm.

Where you get this information from?
Spanish secretary of defence, he told also that the survivor was rescued by a spanish helicopter who come from diwaniyah.

[Argyll]

Marino,
Deepest sympathies
But if these guys were only armed with 9mm weapons,then it sounds very much like they did not feel there was much need for firepower,and that they did not consider there was a threat to their security. The fact that they were also without support from the US seems odd too,if you are out conducting intel and recconaisance,then having on call QRF is a must.
It seems that these poor souls were involved in a screw up somewhere,whether it be Communications or lack of ground support,and they paid the ultimate price :(

[Loco]

The spanish deads weren´t soldiers exactly, but intelligence agents, they were driving 2 civil vehicles wearing civil clothes, and they weren´t in the spanish controlled sector, but they were near Baghdad. 4 of them had finished they tour of duty and they went to leave Irak. This is the most serious concern about it, not to talk another intelligence agent that was killed in the door of his house in Baghdad a month ago. As I see the situation, things don´t go on. Now is not the moment to talk the way this war began and all this things about policy, but many things are rotten in/around Irak. I want to remember too the 2 japaneses diplomats and the american soldiers that were killed yesterday in similar way.
The most concerning fact about spanish intelligence agents and japaneses diplomats deaths is that they WERE NOT visible targets, except for some one with good, this hurts to say, intelligence service, who did know about these foreing people driving there???. It would seem as if terrorists have many supports not only in some houses or villages, I´m talking about the sunni triangle specially, but in irakies corps of security. Other fact we can´t deny is that people in that area doesn´t want any foreing presence in their land, and they are ready for helping terrorists/resistants, call it like you want, always they want.

[MARINO]

THEY WERE OFFICERS OF SAPNAIH ARMY, FROM THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

[Mr. Nielsen]

Has the spanish military suffered casualties before in such operations abroad?

[MARINO]

Yes in afganistan we lost 62 military in an air crash, and in kosovo and bosnia we have 30 killed in accdidents, by snipers, EOD guys in accidents, by mortar fire etc..

[Loco]

Has the spanish military suffered casualties before in such operations abroad?
In former Yugoslavia, over 20 and under 30, I don´t remember exacts figures.

[MARINO]

I think that we have near 27 killed

[Saranof]

thats the problem with poor countries, they don't have education so they don't know what is respect. they are like animals.But they are also coward people.

You know, that's just what the british said about the africans during the genocial takeovers of the 18th century.
"they don't know what respect is cos they are stupid, and they are also cowards..."

:roll: sigh, I thought those ideas were wiped ouyt after say, 1945?

[Argyll]

Care to elaborate on that One Saranof?
Who said that and when?

[Salty Dog]

that crap with the iraqis dancing on the spanish bodies also ticks me off as well. and what bout the south koreans burning the flag
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i thought it was the north that hates us?

[Supes]

The young generation of South Korea thinks of America as occupiers on their land and think they are bad and want to wage war with N. Korea and LIL KIM :P which is bs. The older generation the ones who fought with the Americans in the Korea War think America as a great nation and people.

[usa320]

indeed... THe Majority of S. KOrea realizes they owe alot to us, and without us theyd be in really bad shape.

More people burn the flag here in the US than in S. Korea, lets just put it that way.

[Salty Dog]

roger that.

[MARINO]

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Witnesses interviewed about an hour after the Spaniards came under fire said the men were traveling in two sport-utility vehicles about 25 miles south of Baghdad when two cars filled with gunmen pulled alongside and began firing, forcing the lead Spanish vehicle off the road and into a muddy field.


The Spanish vehicles then came under fire from a band of attackers who had been waiting behind a concrete wall along the road, the witnesses said.


Although both vehicles were hit by rocket-propelled grenades and large numbers of bullets, some of the Spaniards returned fire and a gun battle ensued for more than 20 minutes, witnesses said.


"There was shooting everywhere," said Omar Hassan, 22, a student who claimed to have witnessed the attack and later joined the throng of celebrants. The Spaniards, he said, "were resisting a lot."


A fire sparked by a rocket-propelled grenade consumed the first car, witnesses said. An hour after the attack, it appeared that its occupants either had been killed by the time the fire began or were trapped inside. Two badly burned bodies, which witnesses said were from that vehicle, had been dragged out of the rear seats and placed in the median. Two other bodies remained in the front seats of the still-burning car.


The occupants of the second vehicle exited before their vehicle went up in flames and unsuccessfully sought to fend off the assailants while crouching on the road, witnesses said. One of them managed to run away and was rescued by a passing motorist, witnesses said, but the other three were killed, and after the attack their bodies were lying in the northbound lane of the highway more than 20 yards from their vehicle.
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At the site of the attack in Latifiya, not every passing motorist joined in the horn-honking and waving. The driver of a white Toyota sedan rolled down his window and castigated Ali Sarhan and his friends.

"You enjoy what you're doing?" the driver growled. "You're killers."

"We're not killers," replied Sarhan, a student. "We're defending our country."

"By killing innocent civilians?" the driver shot back.

"They're not civilians," Sarhan responded. "They're Zionists."

The driver shot a look of disgust at Sarhan. "You're not going to get rid of them by doing nasty things like this," he said. Then he drove away.

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[fred_engles]

"You enjoy what you're doing?" the driver growled. "You're killers."

"We're not killers," replied Sarhan, a student. "We're defending our country."

"By killing innocent civilians?" the driver shot back.

"They're not civilians," Sarhan responded. "They're Zionists."Classic.