US Troops. Where does all your kit go?

[Sabre]

This is for all those in the US army (preferably infantry) to have a go enlightneing me.

When I go off, I wear usual 'Brit-Kit' plus a SAS smock. (the four-pocketed hooded smock that many in our army prefer) I also have a fair amount of kit in the pockets of said smock, without which I'd be lost!
It goes roughly like this:

Top left: FFD, cam cream, mini torch (white light), headtorch (red light), whistle and a 'fold-a-mug'.

Top right: wooden spoon, combi-tool (for SA80), and a 'random bag' containing spare batteries, matches, puri-tabs, lighter, earplugs, tissues (No1 item!!)

Bottom left: snacks in a bag, multipurpose rag (sweat, rifle cleaning etc) and string

Bottom right: Wooly hat, gloves and a headover plus spare rifle cleaning kit.

Add to this any other kit (grenades, magazines etc) that gets stowed as it progresses and it gets quite full.

After all that my question is simply this:

Where does all your kit go? I have seen loads of pics of US troops wearing the shirt/jacket/blouse with four tiny pockets with nothing in them. Where does it all go?

Please tell me, and let me sleep at night. ;)

[Haiw]

Bottom left: snacks in a bag, multipurpose rag (sweat, rifle cleaning etc) and string
you take your tanga out in the field? ;)

[Deuterium]

Well the modern battlefield has made the use of body armor an indispensable set of kit. But when wearing BA it relegates all pockets on the blouse useless. That is why you see so many troops sewing pockets onto the arms of their blouses. I carry ID Card, money, credit card, survival kit, cut-down map, lip-balm/sunscreen/insect repellant. All the other gear that you mention goes in the LBV/LBEfor the most needed/relevant gear. The rest is in the ruck.

[Jack Mehoff]

1) How long is the operation? For instance, i'm not going to bring all the TA50 if i only have to be outside working for 12 hours

2) Vehicle or foot?

[Scrim]

Deuterium explained it best. We aren't allowed to go to the bathroom without a flak jacket and helmet. And Sabre your right, the pockets on the utility blouse are not only useless, we were not allowed to use them. Everything goes in the douche(web) gear and flak jacket pockets.

[jizzmonkey]

The new AUC's take care of a lot of the problems the old BDU's had (getting to your pockets with an interceptor on)

The thing that I dont understand is why the hell a lot of these guys over there now use the interceptor and put a regular LBV or MOLLE vest over it?
Its understandible if they arent issued the MOLLE system yet.

The molle pockets attach directly to your interceptor, no more canteens, everyone is issued a camelbak, swithcing pockets around on the standard MOLLE system (being modular) lets you tailor you kit to your mission.
I personally prefer the chest rig, if you really think about it, if the **** hits the fan all you really need are three things

1 AMMO ( lots of it, I carry no less than 21 magazines)
2 water ( camelbak ( 2 quarts minimum)
3 NOD's ( you never know ho long you'll be out there)

that is there bare essentials, on top of that I carry a MBTR 148, Icom, 2 smokes, 2 frags, map and gps ( you dont really need the compass anymore). This is my set up, But you have to understand I ride around in a Stryker, so anything else I need is always in the vehicle the SBCT is pretty self sufficent for 72 hours, so when we dismount we go light, assault packs and rucks stay on the Stryker unless we do a long movement for an extended period of time.

In my ACU's I carry the usual, ID card, limited money, extra AA's for nods, extra M68 batteries, Black and grey list, map, pack of ciggarettes with lighter, CLP for the "thunder stick" and a picture of my son.

[Apogee]

21 mags? thats a helluva lot to carry in on your vest. Are you talking just on your 2nd line, or in your ruck/assault pack as well.

[Deuterium]

The new AUC's take care of a lot of the problems the old BDU's had (getting to your pockets with an interceptor on)

The thing that I dont understand is why the hell a lot of these guys over there now use the interceptor and put a regular LBV or MOLLE vest over it?
Its understandible if they arent issued the MOLLE system yet.

The molle pockets attach directly to your interceptor, no more canteens, everyone is issued a camelbak, swithcing pockets around on the standard MOLLE system (being modular) lets you tailor you kit to your mission.
I personally prefer the chest rig, if you really think about it, if the **** hits the fan all you really need are three things

1 AMMO ( lots of it, I carry no less than 21 magazines)
2 water ( camelbak ( 2 quarts minimum)
3 NOD's ( you never know ho long you'll be out there)

that is there bare essentials, on top of that I carry a MBTR 148, Icom, 2 smokes, 2 frags, map and gps ( you dont really need the compass anymore). This is my set up, But you have to understand I ride around in a Stryker, so anything else I need is always in the vehicle the SBCT is pretty self sufficent for 72 hours, so when we dismount we go light, assault packs and rucks stay on the Stryker unless we do a long movement for an extended period of time.

In my ACU's I carry the usual, ID card, limited money, extra AA's for nods, extra M68 batteries, Black and grey list, map, pack of ciggarettes with lighter, CLP for the "thunder stick" and a picture of my son.

Why carry a 148 and a ICOM. Hell the 148 will even talk to a mot talkabout.

[jizzmonkey]

21 mags? thats a helluva lot to carry in on your vest. Are you talking just on your 2nd line, or in your ruck/assault pack as well.

21 on the chest rig,

hellcat chest rig carries 9 on the inner portion of the vest, 4 mag pouches attached to the rig carry 3 mags a piece.

check out Lighfighter.com

hellcat is made by SOTECH
tactical tailor pouches for the rest of the mags

It is a lot of mags, and if your not used to IMT'ing with it ****s with your lower back. Nobody is issued 21 mags either, but if you've been around for a while you get chances to "aquire" extra gear here and there.

[jizzmonkey]

The new AUC's take care of a lot of the problems the old BDU's had (getting to your pockets with an interceptor on)

The thing that I dont understand is why the hell a lot of these guys over there now use the interceptor and put a regular LBV or MOLLE vest over it?
Its understandible if they arent issued the MOLLE system yet.

The molle pockets attach directly to your interceptor, no more canteens, everyone is issued a camelbak, swithcing pockets around on the standard MOLLE system (being modular) lets you tailor you kit to your mission.
I personally prefer the chest rig, if you really think about it, if the **** hits the fan all you really need are three things

1 AMMO ( lots of it, I carry no less than 21 magazines)
2 water ( camelbak ( 2 quarts minimum)
3 NOD's ( you never know ho long you'll be out there)

that is there bare essentials, on top of that I carry a MBTR 148, Icom, 2 smokes, 2 frags, map and gps ( you dont really need the compass anymore). This is my set up, But you have to understand I ride around in a Stryker, so anything else I need is always in the vehicle the SBCT is pretty self sufficent for 72 hours, so when we dismount we go light, assault packs and rucks stay on the Stryker unless we do a long movement for an extended period of time.

In my ACU's I carry the usual, ID card, limited money, extra AA's for nods, extra M68 batteries, Black and grey list, map, pack of ciggarettes with lighter, CLP for the "thunder stick" and a picture of my son.

Why carry a 148 and a ICOM. Hell the 148 will even talk to a mot talkabout.

148 talks to platoon and company, ICOM is squad internal, I talk to my team leaders and my Stryker with the ICOMS, coordinate movement and pick ups, squad sniper carries an icom too.

[Deuterium]

148 freq range 30-512, no stops AM/FM secure
ICOM 136 - 150 MHz or 146 - 174 MHz FM

Ditch the ICOM, worthless hunk of plastic. Carry a SATCOM antenna for the 148. You'll have al the bases covered.

[Deuterium]

The new AUC's take care of a lot of the problems the old BDU's had (getting to your pockets with an interceptor on)

The thing that I dont understand is why the hell a lot of these guys over there now use the interceptor and put a regular LBV or MOLLE vest over it?
Its understandible if they arent issued the MOLLE system yet.

The molle pockets attach directly to your interceptor, no more canteens, everyone is issued a camelbak, swithcing pockets around on the standard MOLLE system (being modular) lets you tailor you kit to your mission.
I personally prefer the chest rig, if you really think about it, if the **** hits the fan all you really need are three things

1 AMMO ( lots of it, I carry no less than 21 magazines)
2 water ( camelbak ( 2 quarts minimum)
3 NOD's ( you never know ho long you'll be out there)

that is there bare essentials, on top of that I carry a MBTR 148, Icom, 2 smokes, 2 frags, map and gps ( you dont really need the compass anymore). This is my set up, But you have to understand I ride around in a Stryker, so anything else I need is always in the vehicle the SBCT is pretty self sufficent for 72 hours, so when we dismount we go light, assault packs and rucks stay on the Stryker unless we do a long movement for an extended period of time.

In my ACU's I carry the usual, ID card, limited money, extra AA's for nods, extra M68 batteries, Black and grey list, map, pack of ciggarettes with lighter, CLP for the "thunder stick" and a picture of my son.

Why carry a 148 and a ICOM. Hell the 148 will even talk to a mot talkabout.

148 talks to platoon and company, ICOM is squad internal, I talk to my team leaders and my Stryker with the ICOMS, coordinate movement and pick ups, squad sniper carries an icom too.

Just program the 148 to scan. You can cover all the basis with the one radio. Does every guy have a 148 or is it just at SL/PL/PSGT level?

[jizzmonkey]

148 freq range 30-512, no stops AM/FM secure
ICOM 136 - 150 MHz or 146 - 174 MHz FM

Ditch the ICOM, worthless hunk of plastic. Carry a SATCOM antenna for the 148. You'll have al the bases covered.

I didnt know that, where do I get a SATCOM antenna, are you talking about the FHM antenna that comes with BII?

[jizzmonkey]

only guys that carry the 148's are sqd ldr's, psg, and pl

[Deuterium]

During OIF I had my 148 talking intra-team FM secure ground, me to my Kurd bretheren who had Motorola talkabouts FM non-secure, SATCOM to higher, Air to ground AM for our airstrikes, monitored AWACS just to stay on the big picture and get SCUD alerts, and had the SAR freq ready to go. All this on one radio. Program the stuff into groups and then program the two side buttons for group changes. In the groups then all you need is to hit the thumb knob to switch inside the groups. Have the other side button programmed to turn on/off scan. Do you have the MBITR program and the cable?

[Deuterium]

148 freq range 30-512, no stops AM/FM secure
ICOM 136 - 150 MHz or 146 - 174 MHz FM

Ditch the ICOM, worthless hunk of plastic. Carry a SATCOM antenna for the 148. You'll have al the bases covered.

I didnt know that, where do I get a SATCOM antenna, are you talking about the FHM antenna that comes with BII?

Nah regular SATCOM from say a PSC-5. If you don't get SATCOM freqs then don't bother. If you do then you can do SATCOM, just not DAMA.

[Deuterium]

only guys that carry the 148's are sqd ldr's, psg, and pl

Unless your voice traffic is so large that you constantly talk to both nets at the same time just program the 148 for the ICOM freq range. DO you use the issue headset?

[jizzmonkey]

yeah Ive got the cable and the CD, I need block of instruction on this puppy, as a matter of fact, the whole company does, I had to show the 1SG how to switch freqs on the damn thing.

[jizzmonkey]

only guys that carry the 148's are sqd ldr's, psg, and pl

Unless your voice traffic is so large that you constantly talk to both nets at the same time just program the 148 for the ICOM freq range. DO you use the issue headset?

You mean the "urban" headset? I hate it, makes my ear sweat, then it suctions to the side of my head.

[Deuterium]

yeah Ive got the cable and the CD, I need block of instruction on this puppy, as a matter of fact, the whole company does, I had to show the 1SG how to switch freqs on the damn thing.

It takes some getting used to but once you understand it it ain't all that bad. The program is useful just at the start of the mission. Get your CEOI and go to town on the program. Put things into seperate groups so you don't accidently hit the top knob and start to transmit on an important freq. The nice thing about the program is giving the freqs names. Its a pain in the butt doing it on the RT, as you well know. You can even change the functions of the buttons on the side. Once you've done that all you do is load your first radio. After that you can use the clone cable as well to load the info into other radios or you can hook it to the computer as well. The only thing you can't clone is the crypto.

[Deuterium]

only guys that carry the 148's are sqd ldr's, psg, and pl

Unless your voice traffic is so large that you constantly talk to both nets at the same time just program the 148 for the ICOM freq range. DO you use the issue headset?

You mean the "urban" headset? I hate it, makes my ear sweat, then it suctions to the side of my head.

Yep that's the one. Do you guys have the MICH with the headsets? STill not an ideal situation but a little better.

[jizzmonkey]

Dude, there is so much **** that the army just dumped on us in the last year, FBCB2 which is pretty cool, 148's, RWS systems and we get these quick classes on them and told to roll, we have all these assets available to us that we arent really sure what to do with. The Strykers are user friendly, but some **** is crazy. We have UAV's at the company level now, and the CO never uses it. It pisses me off, its kind of a waste.

[jizzmonkey]

only guys that carry the 148's are sqd ldr's, psg, and pl

Unless your voice traffic is so large that you constantly talk to both nets at the same time just program the 148 for the ICOM freq range. DO you use the issue headset?

You mean the "urban" headset? I hate it, makes my ear sweat, then it suctions to the side of my head.

Yep that's the one. Do you guys have the MICH with the headsets? STill not an ideal situation but a little better.

We got the ACH, which is pretty much the same as the MICH

[Deuterium]

Dude, there is so much **** that the army just dumped on us in the last year, FBCB2 which is pretty cool, 148's, RWS systems and we get these quick classes on them and told to roll, we have all these assets available to us that we arent really sure what to do with. The Strykers are user friendly, but some **** is crazy. We have UAV's at the company level now, and the CO never uses it. It pisses me off, its kind of a waste.

Which UAV, we have the POINTER. Same ****, here is your one hour block of instruction and have at it. Weeks later and multiple downed A/C....... Hey get used to it. The days of the PRC-77 are over baby!!!! If the aveage WWII/Korean/Vietnam vet would walk into the average 11B load-out room they'd be overwealmed. If you can't operate a computer you can't be a grunt nowadays.

[jizzmonkey]

I'm not even sure what model the UAV is, I havent even seen it. Bco. crashed one last month and got chewed for it so I think the rest of the companies are afraid to use them.
You're right about the computer literacy being a must, I like FBCB2, but a lot of times it seems like PSG's on up are reliant on it, nobody gets on the net anymore, you just e-mail sit-reps, it's great for situational awarness and navigation, especially in MOUT. But I think it will eventually lead to a lot of problems, nobody pulls out a compass and map anymore, thats when you have dissasters like the 507th.

[Apogee]

If you can't operate a computer you can't be a grunt nowadays.

Its good to hear that. The academy is going the same direction. Making all soon to be LTs take IT305 - Military Information Systems. A course that has the right aim, but misses the goal. I'd love to hear what kind of skills you'd like to see improvment in when it comes to these matters for new LTs.

[Deuterium]

Microsoft Office is all you need right now. The skills needed and concepts are all involved in the modern Army specialty software, Falconview or FBCB2. Just like in the business world you can't go to war without Powerpoint. This is true throughout the world's in armies. If you can't set up a spreadsheet for tracking things or a sync matrix, set up a simple database for tracking who has a HMMWV license or when was the last time you went to the range, you're no help. Photoshop is pretty good to learn for manipulating photos. Those concepts are used throughout imaging systems if not Photoshop itself. Finally you gotta be a surf nazi. I can't tell you the number of times I've gotten my intel from the web and not S-2.

[jizzmonkey]

If you can't operate a computer you can't be a grunt nowadays.

Its good to hear that. The academy is going the same direction. Making all soon to be LTs take IT305 - Military Information Systems. A course that has the right aim, but misses the goal. I'd love to hear what kind of skills you'd like to see improvment in when it comes to these matters for new LTs.

I think that class deals more with the logistic's system like the ULL's and all that, not so much FBCB2, but I might be wrong. And depending on what your Branch is the best advice I can give you is to learn all the skills you can, but let your PSG write your OER, let SQD ldrs do their thing, and you'll be okay, that is assuming you get a good platoon.

[Apogee]

Actually, they focus a good deal on FBCB2. They also do alot with the Microsoft Office programs. They have us get real deep into Acces, making queries and writing PHP script to input info from a website into a database. Which I hope to god I won't be doing as an IN 2LT.

All of the projects for the class set us as in IN LT in a random battalion within the Army and they give you these tasks like, create a plan to build a network for the brigade TOC or stuff like that. I guess I'm just bitter. Have a good night everyone.

[Deuterium]

Actually, they focus a good deal on FBCB2. They also do alot with the Microsoft Office programs. They have us get real deep into Acces, making queries and writing PHP script to input info from a website into a database. Which I hope to god I won't be doing as an IN 2LT.

All of the projects for the class set us as in IN LT in a random battalion within the Army and they give you these tasks like, create a plan to build a network for the brigade TOC or stuff like that. I guess I'm just bitter. Have a good night everyone.

If you go SIG-O then that's exactly what you'll be doing in some cases. That's what my SIG-O does. Luckily he has some nerdy SPC/4s, who will get out of the Army after their three years and make a TON of money doing the same job in the civilian world, to square him away. They run the servers.

[jizzmonkey]

Actually, they focus a good deal on FBCB2. They also do alot with the Microsoft Office programs. They have us get real deep into Acces, making queries and writing PHP script to input info from a website into a database. Which I hope to god I won't be doing as an IN 2LT.

All of the projects for the class set us as in IN LT in a random battalion within the Army and they give you these tasks like, create a plan to build a network for the brigade TOC or stuff like that. I guess I'm just bitter. Have a good night everyone.

If your branch is INF, then your good, but I thought you guys didnt get to choose a branch, or is that just ROTC and OCS? 9 out of 10 Lt's in my company are branch detail, and they hate life as grunts.

[Apogee]

I'm going Infantry. And hopefully go to selection once I make 1LT.

That signal stuff is interesting and all, but thats not why I joined the Army.

[jizzmonkey]

I'm going Infantry. And hopefully go to selection once I make 1LT.

That signal stuff is interesting and all, but thats not why I joined the Army.

Whatever you do, PLEEEEEEEASE dont be another arrogant ring-knocker, listen to your NCO.s and life will be a lot easier for everyone.

[Apogee]

If your branch is INF, then your good, but I thought you guys didnt get to choose a branch, or is that just ROTC and OCS? 9 out of 10 Lt's in my company are branch detail, and they hate life as grunts.

Its all based on your class rank. Those at the top get their branch of choice. And those at the end end up as Air Defenders. Its a pretty good motivator to do well.

[Jack Mehoff]

If your branch is INF, then your good, but I thought you guys didnt get to choose a branch, or is that just ROTC and OCS? 9 out of 10 Lt's in my company are branch detail, and they hate life as grunts.

Its all based on your class rank. Those at the top get their branch of choice. And those at the end end up as Air Defenders. Its a pretty good motivator to do well.

When was the last time Air Defense saw any action? :lol:

[James]

I was in when the old H-harness was still around, then the early version of the LBV. As has been noted, body armor takes away any usefulness of pockets on the blouse. I filled up the butt pack on my web gear and also scrounged a couple of SAW drum pouches from supply to carry the extra essentials. No one I knew ever really used cargo pockets on their trousers to carry anything heavier than a map.

Travel light, freeze at night. ;)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

damn...james i thought it was "travel light,skinny and white freeze at night"
oh well misinformed again...f*ck :cantbeli:

[martinexsquaddie]

think I 'll see if I can pick up one of those french GPS jammers on Ebay
for the next time yanks come to play in the uk :lol:
typical spend millions on kit but don't put the time to to trainingthe guys who will use it

[Royal]

"Bullets and water are all that you need to take to the slaughter"

although NOD's and comms are useful at times ;)

Contrary to popular opinion we Brits do wear CBA (body armour) most of the time on 'combat' Ops - it's just that we wear it under our baggy smocks, so we can get at the pockets!

[Steve Andrews]

"mmmmmm...if I ditch this water bottle I could fit three more mags in that pouch...."

;)

[Deuterium]

think I 'll see if I can pick up one of those french GPS jammers on Ebay
for the next time yanks come to play in the uk :lol:
typical spend millions on kit but don't put the time to to trainingthe guys who will use it

Hey!!!! okay yeah you're right. Its the mark of a good NCO to call BS when needed. For the most part it all works out. I'd rather be in the situation of receiving more than I can handle than to receive nothing and have to buy all my kit with my own money though.

[Deuterium]

BTW those French GPS jammers are also known by the name, JHBs, JADAM Homing Beacons. I'd ask you you to talk to the Iraqis that used them but their unable to give interviews for some reason. Once again the French lead the way....to defeat.

[martinexsquaddie]

strangely not even the USAF allows you to use jdams on exericse woot
plant one on training area runaway and whatch the ensuring fun
Evil grin.

[Sabre]

I thought that it was restrictive to have body armour over the top of your smock. As Royal says, if we wear it, it goes under our smocks, leaving the pockets free to suck stuff into their infinite vortex.

Just to clarify, I wouldn't go about doing room clearances looking like the Michelin man! I'm talking about patrols on foot lasting at least several days.

Of course, in the belt kit goes your bullets, bombs and water. Plus a few others; med kit, survival kit, cleaning kit, metal mug, emergency hexiblocks, comms cord, cylumes, puritabs bottle, working knife, brew kit and 48 hrs (plus) of rations.

:D

[Beowulf]

Well the modern battlefield has made the use of body armor an indispensable set of kit. But when wearing BA it relegates all pockets on the blouse useless. That is why you see so many troops sewing pockets onto the arms of their blouses. I carry ID Card, money, credit card, survival kit, cut-down map, lip-balm/sunscreen/insect repellant. All the other gear that you mention goes in the LBV/LBEfor the most needed/relevant gear. The rest is in the ruck.

Same here, I had the arm pockets with basic small things that i want to use a lot. Lip balm, a bit of cash, blood chit, etc.

We were sterile on ops so no wallet/credit cards or anything like that, unless we were going to the airfield where the PX was ;)

Everything else pretty much went into my chest harness, ammo, my IR strobe fit into one of the pistol mag pockets on my chest harness. Plus a camelback and that was it.

On the raids or longer missions I would bring the SAW, then i would carry an LBE style rig. It had two saw pouches, a camelback sleeve built in, two 1qt canteens, and a couple of old school army issue mag pouches with the grenade loops. No buttpack b/c I was driving the Toyota a lot.

Never used a ruck, just my black BHI bag. Never really wore a kevlar except on raids. We used the MBITR in the city, that thing was great.

Were you an Echo Deut? I just went to a PRC 150 class at SWC a while back. It was taught by civilians from Harris. Class started at 8:30, 1 1/2 hour lunch at 11:30 , we finished everyday at 3:30. Plus I was TDY staying at a hotel, that was a good week.

[California Joe]

I think you guys on active duty should get college credits for acronym usage. No ****. It's an amazing amount of **** to remember.

[ibstolidude]

MBITR is the **** but the damn heat plays hell with the internal speaker....due to my preference and adversion to radios I like the internal speaker/mike... HATE radio talking unless ABSOLUTELY needed...a fault of mine so I HATE the ear pieces and headsets...the ACH/MICH does wonders but I still hate it...I prefer the jerry rigged radio shack versions of a ptt "clip mike" on my shirt top and a single walkman style in-the-ear piece.
& the alligator clip car battery recharge is GREAT.

148 battery changes v/s crypto....uggh

[Deuterium]

Well the modern battlefield has made the use of body armor an indispensable set of kit. But when wearing BA it relegates all pockets on the blouse useless. That is why you see so many troops sewing pockets onto the arms of their blouses. I carry ID Card, money, credit card, survival kit, cut-down map, lip-balm/sunscreen/insect repellant. All the other gear that you mention goes in the LBV/LBEfor the most needed/relevant gear. The rest is in the ruck.

Same here, I had the arm pockets with basic small things that i want to use a lot. Lip balm, a bit of cash, blood chit, etc.

We were sterile on ops so no wallet/credit cards or anything like that, unless we were going to the airfield where the PX was ;)

Everything else pretty much went into my chest harness, ammo, my IR strobe fit into one of the pistol mag pockets on my chest harness. Plus a camelback and that was it.

On the raids or longer missions I would bring the SAW, then i would carry an LBE style rig. It had two saw pouches, a camelback sleeve built in, two 1qt canteens, and a couple of old school army issue mag pouches with the grenade loops. No buttpack b/c I was driving the Toyota a lot.

Never used a ruck, just my black BHI bag. Never really wore a kevlar except on raids. We used the MBITR in the city, that thing was great.

Were you an Echo Deut? I just went to a PRC 150 class at SWC a while back. It was taught by civilians from Harris. Class started at 8:30, 1 1/2 hour lunch at 11:30 , we finished everyday at 3:30. Plus I was TDY staying at a hotel, that was a good week.

Yeah I was before I made E-8. Still have an affinity for the magic of RF energy.

[Red]

BTW those French GPS jammers are also known by the name, JHBs, JADAM Homing Beacons. I'd ask you you to talk to the Iraqis that used them but their unable to give interviews for some reason. Once again the French lead the way....to defeat.


men you are so funny, unlike you guys the military i was in was not that bad at first but after i left it just went down the gutter

[SeanR]

Hey Beowolf, did you create that Ninja site...that ****'s hilarious!!

[Deuterium]

p-)