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[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

Pictures taken down. I wont post them if people put down and destroy my attempts at normal posts. I dont want arguments. Cant we all just get along? I give u a hug :hug: :hug:

[Javehn]

He , i almost missed that one ! Keep em comming , dude
Wht the hell is going on in the first picture ? Is this blowing up of some weapond stash or something ? All pictures , why Russian troops never wear hellmets , except the fact they are ****y ? How the hell you identify
between own and enemy troops then ( i heard ther were been a lot of friendly fire accidents in chechnya) .
Third picture : Can you give me some explanation why the soldiers advancing like they in parade all together no cover , not behind cover ? How they half sitting there in picture is nice , but what is it good for ?
And last , can you give me some explanation about the federal forces uniform ? I know that soldiers have mix of camuflage , regular 80's uniform or whatever in the storage , but i still want to know about it. It seems everybody wear what they like to wear , and if they buy it or taking it from some dead duh , no problem . Same thing about the boots ...

I help you with your thread , and you help me with mine....

[Macs.]

All pictures , why Russian troops never wear hellmets , except the fact they are ****y ? How the hell you identify
between own and enemy troops then ( i heard ther were been a lot of friendly fire accidents in chechnya) .

Reason: The russian don't have any money for such things.


Third picture : Can you give me some explanation why the soldiers advancing like they in parade all together no cover , not behind cover ? How they half sitting there in picture is nice , but what is it good for ?

One bomb and the whole squad is dead, in Chechnya this is suicid.

The war in Chechnya is one big crime.

[Kingpin]

All pictures , why Russian troops never wear hellmets , except the fact they are ****y ? How the hell you identify
between own and enemy troops then ( i heard ther were been a lot of friendly fire accidents in chechnya) .

Reason: The russian don't have any money for such things.


Third picture : Can you give me some explanation why the soldiers advancing like they in parade all together no cover , not behind cover ? How they half sitting there in picture is nice , but what is it good for ?

One bomb and the whole squad is dead, in Chechnya this is suicid.

The war in Chechnya is one big crime.

We have a lot of old helmets but
1. They ****ty :o)

2. Nobody urge you to wear it unless you'er in standard infantry, which isn't widely used here

[gary-amsterdam]

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/WinterCamo.jpg

is it just me or is that 'splinter' from the teenage mutant hero turtles. Sorry bad joke, I can't see his face clearly, it looks kind of animal like to me.

[Russian Texan]

All pictures , why Russian troops never wear hellmets , except the fact they are ****y ? How the hell you identify
between own and enemy troops then ( i heard ther were been a lot of friendly fire accidents in chechnya) .

Reason: The russian don't have any money for such things.


Third picture : Can you give me some explanation why the soldiers advancing like they in parade all together no cover , not behind cover ? How they half sitting there in picture is nice , but what is it good for ?

One bomb and the whole squad is dead, in Chechnya this is suicid.

The war in Chechnya is one big crime.


Helmets are not comfortable to wear and are useless against Ak 47s and SVDs. So what's the point of wearing them? The reson you see US troops wearing helmets at all the times is because if GI doesn't have it on and gets hit in a head - his family gets no money.

Uniforms.
Regular army has to wear issued stuff. What people don't realize is that Russia has 2 armys: regular one and 200.000 interior troops.
Here is video about it in russian http://www.newsru.com/echo/29nov2003/2811vv_v_hi.html
And interior troops and such can wear whatever they want because of the lack of regulations.

and if they buy it or taking it from some dead duh , no problem . Same thing about the boots ...

Uh?

Identification is a problem, There are plenty of stories about Chechens going into rival warlord's village pretending to be Russians and raping, stealing and murdering but who in the human rights organizations really does any investigation, lets just bleme all on Russian troops...

Picture.
Who told you that they are advancing? To me, they are clearly posing. If you look carefuly in the background you'll see people just standing around - hardly an image from a combat zone, if you ask me.

[Javehn]

Russian Texes wrote :

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and if they buy it or taking it from some dead duch , no problem . Same thing about the boots ...


Uh?


I ment , i read about many Russian soldiers that take boots and clothing from dead chechen fighters ( duch - chechen fighter ). Is russian army boots really that ****y ?
About the posing picture , i think i am agree with you . But never the less , i saw a pictures of Russian troops on patrol inside chechen villages in very strange manner - everybody going together weaponds asside , and so on. But mostly of them are just pictures made in non problematic areas.

About the same uniforms , in Israeli army soldiers had to go in standart non camuflage olive uniforms (****iest thing ever) , and wearing hellmet on the head , to avoid situation of friendly fire. But still , there were a lot of situation of almost friendly fire because of the difficulty to make one from another . How did Russian troops managed not to kill each other out ??

[IDFM203]

I don’t want to hijack this thread but I just want to respond to one point here



About the same uniforms , in Israeli army soldiers had to go in standart non camuflage olive uniforms (****iest thing ever) , and wearing hellmet on the head , to avoid situation of friendly fire. But still , there were a lot of situation of almost friendly fire because of the difficulty to make one from another . first of all in non urban environments, Israel has some very good camo “suits”. Secondly even for urban some special forces have urban camo “suites”. But I digress; the point of my post here is that you are a bit wrong. The idf did not use its olive green (which is indeed ****ty that’s why we have these camo suits) instead of other things for there was no need. There are plenty of other things and devices which a infantry soldier has on, which I do not want to get into here due to serious OPSEC violations if I do, that alert to friendly or not.

But still no matter what, it’s a basic “rule” of combat that friendly fire incidents will happen. all you can do is make all the effort that it doesn’t but those olive green uniforms were not there solely to prevent friendly fire but rather that is the standard infantry uniform regardless of this conflict or not and there is much more things then just the uniform that alert a infantry soldier to a friendly soldier.

Shalom :D

Anyways now back to the russian/chenhenyan discussion.............

[Russian Texan]

I don't know about present issue boots but what regular Russian army used to wear before was the worst thing that could have possibly happen to your feet

http://www.vostok.ru/img/products/big/162.jpg

[Javehn]

Ha , famous kirzoviye sapogi ?
My father was major in Red army , and he loved those ... Specially the smelly ass things used instead of socks , damnit how do they called ...
aha , Portyanki , piss of matterial absorbing the smell :( :(

[Operation Ivy]

Dumb question.........is there still lots of fighting going on in Chechnya? :|

[Uncle Chô]

BTW, I have been recently reading an article about the current operational status of the Russian troops in Chechnya.

Many many officers have been relieved from command because of high alcoholism and drugs abuse.

Also the majority of the fighting soldiers were in fact "mercenaries" hired daily and paid on result (bodycount)

:(

Is it true ??

I have a lot of pictures from this site http://www.pbase.com/igor01/chechnya&page=1 but every time I look at them, I have a very sad feeling. Those Russian soldiers look so young and lost in a middle of an endless war they do not seem to even understand (what do we really know about this conflict ?? Except the level of hate is amazingly high...)

Really, really sad.

:(

[Russian Texan]

BTW, I have been recently reading an article about the current operational status of the Russian troops in Chechnya.

Many many officers have been relieved from command because of high alcoholism and drugs abuse.

Also the majority of the fighting soldiers were in fact "mercenaries" hired daily and paid on result (bodycount)

:(

Is it true ??
I don't know much about someone being relieved for drug and alcohol abuse but I'm 99.9% sure, for various reasons, it's not true.

There are still some action (guerilla attacks) every now and then. Although things, from they way it appears, are going back to semi-normal due to the fact that most "allah warriors" are dead and Iraq is becoming the place to be for all extremist muslims and mercenaries.

As for russian mercenaries that you have mentioned, your info is completely off. I think you are talking about "kontraktniki". Those are people who sign the contract and serve in the military for the course of its lenght. They suppose to be paid competitevly to the private sector and be more professional, sorry don't know much more than that, but one thing that I have heard several times is that they can be extremely ruthless.

[Uncle Chô]

I don't know much about someone being relieved for drug and alcohol abuse but I'm 99.9% sure, for various reasons, it's not true.

How come ? How so many reports could be that wrong ? Sadly it is common knowledge about alcoholism in Russia.

There are still some action (guerilla attacks) every now and then. Although things, from they way it appears, are going back to semi-normal due to the fact that most "allah warriors" are dead and Iraq is becoming the place to be for all extremist muslims and mercenaries.

I think you are talking about "kontraktniki".

Exactly. That's the Russian word being used.

Those are people who sign the contract and serve in the military for the course of its lenght. They suppose to be paid competitevly to the private sector and be more professional, sorry don't know much more than that, but one thing that I have heard several times is that they can be extremely ruthless.

[khukuri]

Eh?!?..

"Helmets are not comfortable to wear and are useless against Ak 47s and SVDs. So what's the point of wearing them? The reson you see US troops wearing helmets at all the times is because if GI doesn't have it on and gets hit in a head - his family gets no money"

True that a helmet will not protect against a bullet but its neither intended for that. What it will do is protect against fragments and secondary fragments. You should know that...

Especially when we come to the place chechnya where most of the chechen attacks are roadside bombs, unexploded mortar shells and that cind of stuff,

True its really uncomfortable but what do you have discipline for if soilders can skip things because their uncomfortable.

I would let my soilders take off their helmets on occasions like recon, and other situations when using your ear is very important.

I know many of the pics are off non fighting units but still there are a lot of images in fighting units without helmets. And off course i dont mean that all fighting units should wear helmet all the time but... you got the point

[Deuterium]

Helmets are not comfortable to wear and are useless against Ak 47s and SVDs. So what's the point of wearing them? The reson you see US troops wearing helmets at all the times is because if GI doesn't have it on and gets hit in a head - his family gets no money.


BS!!! Pure BS. Russian Texan spreading manure again.

[Russian Texan]

To Lenin:

Like I have mentioned before, most of the troops in Chechnya are part of various MVD structures like OMON, SOBR, Interior troops, etc. and they have their own standards when it comes to camo wear and discipline in general. Although I have to say that russians are definitely not as safety conscious as westerners not only when it involves military matters but in other aspects of life as well. May be they just think that helmets are soooo not cool :)
It also has to be noted that the only person on this board to see combat in Chechnya first hand is 16 OBr SpN and I'm sure that he will be able to give you more accurate and detailed explanation.

To Deuterium:

That "BS" and some other of my info about US military comes from a guy who have seen some action during GW I and in Bosnia.

Why don't you go and watch FOX channel, and while you are at it wave the flag and sing the anthem - you'll feel much better...

[Blanke]

That "BS" and some other of my info about US military comes from a guy who have seen some action during GW I and in Bosnia.

Why don't you go and watch FOX channel, and while you are at it wave the flag and sing the anthem - you'll feel much better...

Look we already know you hate our country [the US] with a passion you don't need to constantly prove it

and yes I am aware you live in the US also....

[Kingpin]

Dumb question.........is there still lots of fighting going on in Chechnya? :|

Not much. This summer was like summer in Iraq - some acts of terror and sabotage and some small attacks on troops and police. But today insurgents activities almost stopped - winter is coming and also they failed to do smth with passed elections (no matter was it biased or not).

[Kingpin]

Infantry use these helmets:

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/045.jpg

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/031.jpg

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/048.jpg

Some interrior ministry units use these:

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/119.jpg

Interrior ministry SF usually use what you call "riot" helmet :)

army SF (recon) usually doesn't wear any.

[Deuterium]

To Lenin:

Like I have mentioned before, most of the troops in Chechnya are part of various MVD structures like OMON, SOBR, Interior troops, etc. and they have their own standards when it comes to camo wear and discipline in general. Although I have to say that russians are definitely not as safety conscious as westerners not only when it involves military matters but in other aspects of life as well. May be they just think that helmets are soooo not cool :)
It also has to be noted that the only person on this board to see combat in Chechnya first hand is 16 OBr SpN and I'm sure that he will be able to give you more accurate and detailed explanation.

To Deuterium:

That "BS" and some other of my info about US military comes from a guy who have seen some action during GW I and in Bosnia.

Why don't you go and watch FOX channel, and while you are at it wave the flag and sing the anthem - you'll feel much better...

Your friend didn't tell you the correct info. No soldier killed in comabt has EVER been denied their SGLI for failure to wear a helmet. Urban Legend.

[Javehn]

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/045.jpg
What the **** is that ? This is some regular "mahra" (infantry) or something ? This gear looks like **** !! Do people really fight with this **** ? Ok , this "brasier" looks like it's not fitting for a bit an the trooper (except the fact that it's gonna fall apart very soon . How the hell the magazines gonna hold inside it ?) When he will run , this **** is gonna kill him. Same thing twice goes for hellmet !! How can someone run with it ? It looks non fitting at Soldiers head for a bit. The soldier himself looks like he is gonna explode. Does the troops learn that they have to fit equipment to they're use ,or that inpossible or something ?

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/119.jpg
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
No comment rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Well , maybe a little one ... Does Miterrano circius still looking for them ?

[Russian Texan]

To Deuterium

Unfortunately that guy doesn't work at my place anymore so I can't bring him into discussion the but I definitely do remember that wearing protective gear has to do with the amount of insurance money paid out.

To Blanke
#1 I do realize that this is the military site and most of it's members are americans and therefore are ultra patriotic. But still, if someone doesn't get an erection when sees an american flag it doesn't mean that they hate this country.

# 2 There are 193 countries in the world and I was fortunate enough due to my occupation to visit some of them and let me tell you that every country has it's pluses and minuses, including USA.

#3 Based on your post I live in the place which I hate, I sleep with the people I hate, I work with the people I hate, well lets be honest - I'm surrounded by the things I hate.... I guess I'm really into masohism :cantbeli:

[Russian Texan]

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/119.jpg

These guys undeniably look funny but from a bullet deflection point of view it is almost ideal shape. So basically you can look good and take your chances or you can be an "egghead" and have more chances
:)

Speaking of helmets
http://www.niistali.ru/products/helmet/images/vityaz-s.jpg
These ones can stop a TT bullet from 5 meters

http://6rota.nm.ru/Images/045.jpg

On how many picture from Chechnya have you seen people wear this gear - none, so I guess they don't fight in it. That particular "razgruzka" hasn't been used for years, I believe since mid 80s but they still have tonns of it in storage and I won't be suprized if it is being issued to the troops somewhere in "ZABVO"(ask your dad what it is). Mostly what being used right now are different variations of Tarzan and Pioner vests.
BTW this picture was definitely taken during some kind of an excercise, note the device for firing blanks on Ak's muzzle.

[Javehn]

Aha , thanks for info , Russian Texas (Texas ? )

I would like to know more about personnal equipment of Russian soldiers , and something that is used today (not 20 years ago ). If you can help me , i would very much appreciate this .
But still , those are strange hellmets.How the hell they hearing something thrue it ?

[Russian Texan]

How they hear anything in them is a mystery to me also, they might have some kind of comm device installed although I highly doubt it. My guess would be that hearing is similar to when you wear earmuffs.

[Javehn]

Dude ? UkrainianSpetsnaz ? Oh , common , why did you put down the pictures from the thread ?
Common , dude .... I will give you a hug ?? :hug:
Hell no , get out a here , you HOMO sapiens :slap:

[Operation Ivy]

rofl rofl That one Russian helmet is awsomely funny rofl

[Javehn]

Yea , it does look like broken egg on they heads .

[Golani68]

yeah the helmet look funny
but it will stop a AK round
what the guys they are fighting use
the odd shape helmet are titanium
use by special units

reg units get the old steel pots
seen the the other picture

and give them russian boys some credit
old gear little pay and still fighting hard

[DE_Six]

I do realize that this is the military site and most of it's members are americans and therefore are ultra patriotic.


How simplistic...for a peson who claims to have travelled, to be open to the world and its diversity, this is a pretty narrow-minded generalization...

How 'bout that: "if most members were Arab, therefore terrorists" or "if most members were Russians, therefore alcoholics", how'd you feel about it? That was pretty weak.

Most Americans I know are no more "ultra-patriotic" than anybody else. I live in one of the two "would-be secessionnist" provinces of Canada and most people here are fiercely proud of their distinct culture. Many people are proud of their country, some at least as ostensibly as the Americans: the French, which are sometimes desrcibed as the opposite of Americans, are very patriotic. Besides, being patriotic doesn't necessarily implies utter absence of self-criticism. The best critics of America are Americans.

I think what you mean is ultra-nationalism, which is only marginal here in North America. If you think Americans are nationalistic, check nationalism Europe-side, in their recent history (ex-Yougoslavia, Nazi Germany, etc), that's nationalism and its consequences. But this side of the pond, I'm not worried the least bit.

OK, rant mode off, sorry to have hijacked the thread, here, I'll throw in something more appropriate to make up for it:

http://www.pbase.com/image/8875176

That is the new Kevlar russian army helmet. I think it looks like the British GS Mk.6.