(AU)New call for ban on semi-automatic guns

[Geezah]

A gun-control group has called for a total ban on semi-automatic handguns to prevent them falling into criminal hands with deadly consequences.

Speaking at the launch of a new national anti-handgun advertising campaign, National Coalition for Gun Control chair Sam Lee said the future looked bleak in relation to guns.

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.

The campaign launch comes just days after the fatal drive-by shootings of two men at The Rocks in Sydney. "It is our belief that a handgun was used in this shooting and these lives could have been saved," Ms Lee said.

She is the author of a new research paper into handgun crime which found an estimated 291,273 handguns are in circulation in Australia.

The paper, called Tackling Handgun Crime in Australia, also found the majority of handguns move into the black market via theft from licensed gun owners.

The new print advertisement depicts a handgun with the trigger facing inwards, with the slogan: "The majority of guns stolen are taken from homes, increasing the change of the gun being turned against its owner".

Ms Lee said some 4,000 firearms are stolen every year in Australia adding: "What seems to happen is these guns move into criminal hands.

"What we're asking the government - both federal and state - is to ban all semi-automatic handguns."

Also speaking at the launch was 28-year-old Gareth Fulton, shot in the leg in a drive-by shooting outside a pub in the north Sydney suburb of Cremorne in January.

Mr Fulton said he and a friend were innocent bystanders who fell victim to a thoughtless crime.

"Neither my friend nor myself are criminals or associate with anyone of the criminal persuasion - I've noticed that seems to be the first label pegged to anyone involved in any aspect of a drive-by shooting," he said.

"(The people involved in drive-by shootings) play video games and now they have got real guns and have no concept of the power that they wield.

"We need to make handguns illegal - there is no reason for owning a handgun besides shooting a person, and who claims to have a human soul would want to do that?"

Link (http://seven.com.au/news/topstories/179442)

Why call for a ban if there's no gun problems in Oz?

[joe mama]

A gun-control group has called for a total ban on semi-automatic handguns to prevent them falling into criminal hands with deadly consequences.

Aren't they already banned? I thought a normal civilian couldn't legally get a semi auto handgun (or any handgun?) - am I wrong? Is it just extremely difficult to get a license to have one legally, but it can be done?

Speaking at the launch of a new national anti-handgun advertising campaign, National Coalition for Gun Control chair Sam Lee said the future looked bleak in relation to guns.

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.

LOL, wow, they're developing guns that can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone? Where can I get me one of these fancy new guns? It takes at least 5 minutes to grab and aim my Sig P226 - it must be an outdated piece of crap! I hear those damn Glocks take at least 7 minutes to grab and aim. And don't get me started on those revolvers the cowboys in the old west used - those took at least a week!

The campaign launch comes just days after the fatal drive-by shootings of two men at The Rocks in Sydney. "It is our belief that a handgun was used in this shooting and these lives could have been saved," Ms Lee said.

So, it was illegal for the shooter to shoot these people, but he did it anyway. And it was, probably, illegal for him to have the gun he used, but he used it anyway. So if it had been illegal for him to have this gun, he wouldn't have had this gun which was already illegal for him to have? If it was illegal for him to have it, and he had it anyway, but making it illegal for him to have it, which it already was, would have prevented him from having it, then it follows that since it was illegal for him to shoot these guys, but he did it anyway, it needs to be made illegal for him to shoot these guys, which it already is, so he wouldn't have done it.

She is the author of a new research paper into handgun crime which found an estimated 291,273 handguns are in circulation in Australia.

Are these legally in circulation? Or illegally? If they're already illegal, then how is making them illegal going to make them disappear? Making them illegal didn't make them disappear, so we should make them illegal, so they'll disappear.

The paper, called Tackling Handgun Crime in Australia, also found the majority of handguns move into the black market via theft from licensed gun owners.

The new print advertisement depicts a handgun with the trigger facing inwards, with the slogan: "The majority of guns stolen are taken from homes, increasing the change of the gun being turned against its owner".

Ms Lee said some 4,000 firearms are stolen every year in Australia adding: "What seems to happen is these guns move into criminal hands.

"What we're asking the government - both federal and state - is to ban all semi-automatic handguns."

How many cars are stolen every year? Aren't they moving into criminal hands? Should we ban them too? They're dangerous, they kill thousands, they getting into criminals hands to be used in all kinds of crimes...

Also speaking at the launch was 28-year-old Gareth Fulton, shot in the leg in a drive-by shooting outside a pub in the north Sydney suburb of Cremorne in January.

Mr Fulton said he and a friend were innocent bystanders who fell victim to a thoughtless crime.

"Neither my friend nor myself are criminals or associate with anyone of the criminal persuasion - I've noticed that seems to be the first label pegged to anyone involved in any aspect of a drive-by shooting," he said.

"(The people involved in drive-by shootings) play video games and now they have got real guns and have no concept of the power that they wield.

I thought it was the guns that made people bad, now it's the video games?

"We need to make handguns illegal - there is no reason for owning a handgun besides shooting a person, and who claims to have a human soul would want to do that?"

Does that mean that a cop that shoots a person doesn't have a human soul? Or a person that shoots someone to defend their own life? (Whether you would pull the trigger or not, it does happen.)



Link (http://seven.com.au/news/topstories/179442)

Why call for a ban if there's no gun problems in Oz?

Geezah, you dope, don't you get it? If you make something illegal, and it doesn't stop it from happening, then the solution is making it illegal twice! Just because making it illegal didn't work doesn't mean making it illegal twice won't work!

[Legion]

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.


That is quite possibly the silliest thing I have ever read.

[joe mama]

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.


That is quite possibly the silliest thing I have ever read.

Dude think of how cool it will be when we can have some of those "quick-draws"!!! I can't wait!

[king_nothing100]

Great they have the British ideal of thinking, take the guns away from the law abiding civvies, and the only people left with guns are the police, armed forces and of course the criminals.

[Legion]

I guess it would be alright if they came with 4ft wide foam grips, and had no front sights...yeah problem solved.

BTW, heck yes I want a quick draw! I can't wait!

[Geezah]

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.


That is quite possibly the silliest thing I have ever read.

Dude think of how cool it will be when we can have some of those "quick-draws"!!! I can't wait!

That's what I need, a quick draw and hit what you aim at, currently I can't shoot for sh!t! p-)

[Legion]

Sure, ban semi-autos, because everbody knows you can't shoot fast with a revolver...except this dude: http://www.qtm.net/~beau/sa/jerry.avi

[joe mama]

Sure, ban semi-autos, because everbody knows you can't shoot fast with a revolver...except this dude: http://www.qtm.net/~beau/sa/jerry.avi

But see, we need the anti's to educate us idiots who think that a loaded semi auto fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo, and a loaded revolver fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo. In reality, only a semi auto does that, because they're evil, and a revolver needs to be lubed, adjusted, massaged, tickled, tightened with 9 wrenches, then loosened with 8 wrenches in between each shot.

[PhillyMobster]

Sure, ban semi-autos, because everbody knows you can't shoot fast with a revolver...except this dude: http://www.qtm.net/~beau/sa/jerry.avi

But see, we need the anti's to educate us idiots who think that a loaded semi auto fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo, and a loaded revolver fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo. In reality, only a semi auto does that, because they're evil, and a revolver needs to be lubed, adjusted, massaged, tickled, tightened with 9 wrenches, then loosened with 8 wrenches in between each shot.

Well, remember, these are the same nuts who routinely talk about 'semi-automatic machineguns' and 'high-powered assault pistols', and lets not forget the 'automatic shotguns' with 'hi capacity magazines'. Most of these people have no clue what they're talking about. They just throw the nastiest sounding, and most recognizable gun terms out there for the shock value. a few months ago, someone shot up a store front with a BB and, I kid you not, the local news anchors claimed it had been fired on with 'an automatic assault weapon'. rofl

[joe mama]

Sure, ban semi-autos, because everbody knows you can't shoot fast with a revolver...except this dude: http://www.qtm.net/~beau/sa/jerry.avi

But see, we need the anti's to educate us idiots who think that a loaded semi auto fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo, and a loaded revolver fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo. In reality, only a semi auto does that, because they're evil, and a revolver needs to be lubed, adjusted, massaged, tickled, tightened with 9 wrenches, then loosened with 8 wrenches in between each shot.

Well, remember, these are the same nuts who routinely talk about 'semi-automatic machineguns' and 'high-powered assault pistols', and lets not forget the 'automatic shotguns' with 'hi capacity magazines'. Most of these people have no clue what they're talking about. They just throw the nastiest sounding, and most recognizable gun terms out there for the shock value. a few months ago, someone shot up a store front with a BB and, I kid you not, the local news anchors claimed it had been fired on with 'an automatic assault weapon'. rofl


DUDE! THEY'RE RIGHT! SEMI AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS NEED TO BE BANNED! FOR THE CHILDREN!

[Pandy]

Sure, ban semi-autos, because everbody knows you can't shoot fast with a revolver...except this dude: http://www.qtm.net/~beau/sa/jerry.avi

But see, we need the anti's to educate us idiots who think that a loaded semi auto fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo, and a loaded revolver fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo. In reality, only a semi auto does that, because they're evil, and a revolver needs to be lubed, adjusted, massaged, tickled, tightened with 9 wrenches, then loosened with 8 wrenches in between each shot.

Well, remember, these are the same nuts who routinely talk about 'semi-automatic machineguns' and 'high-powered assault pistols', and lets not forget the 'automatic shotguns' with 'hi capacity magazines'. Most of these people have no clue what they're talking about. They just throw the nastiest sounding, and most recognizable gun terms out there for the shock value. a few months ago, someone shot up a store front with a BB and, I kid you not, the local news anchors claimed it had been fired on with 'an automatic assault weapon'. rofl

An automatic assault weapon? Jeez... I always throught a true assault weapon is fully-automatic, no need to add it in...

[mi35d]

And of course, who can forget the latest, ".50 caliber Assault rifles"?

Reporters will spew what they need to inflame the public. The LA Times report on "killer" motorcycles being 10 times as powerful as bikes from the 80's. No one questioned the math or the logic. Many of us are still trying to find those new bikes with 800-1000 horsepower.

[Legion]

Sure, ban semi-autos, because everbody knows you can't shoot fast with a revolver...except this dude: http://www.qtm.net/~beau/sa/jerry.avi

But see, we need the anti's to educate us idiots who think that a loaded semi auto fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo, and a loaded revolver fires each time you pull the trigger until it runs out of ammo. In reality, only a semi auto does that, because they're evil, and a revolver needs to be lubed, adjusted, massaged, tickled, tightened with 9 wrenches, then loosened with 8 wrenches in between each shot.

Well, remember, these are the same nuts who routinely talk about 'semi-automatic machineguns' and 'high-powered assault pistols', and lets not forget the 'automatic shotguns' with 'hi capacity magazines'. Most of these people have no clue what they're talking about. They just throw the nastiest sounding, and most recognizable gun terms out there for the shock value. a few months ago, someone shot up a store front with a BB and, I kid you not, the local news anchors claimed it had been fired on with 'an automatic assault weapon'. rofl

Same with that football coach in Canton, Texas a couple of weeks ago. Initial reaports were he was shot with an AK, turns out it was a handgun. Of course the said "large caliber" handgun to add some spice.

[Ballistic]

A gun-control group has called for a total ban on semi-automatic handguns to prevent them falling into criminal hands with deadly consequences.

Speaking at the launch of a new national anti-handgun advertising campaign, National Coalition for Gun Control chair Sam Lee said the future looked bleak in relation to guns.

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.

The campaign launch comes just days after the fatal drive-by shootings of two men at The Rocks in Sydney. "It is our belief that a handgun was used in this shooting and these lives could have been saved," Ms Lee said.

She is the author of a new research paper into handgun crime which found an estimated 291,273 handguns are in circulation in Australia.

The paper, called Tackling Handgun Crime in Australia, also found the majority of handguns move into the black market via theft from licensed gun owners.

The new print advertisement depicts a handgun with the trigger facing inwards, with the slogan: "The majority of guns stolen are taken from homes, increasing the change of the gun being turned against its owner".

Ms Lee said some 4,000 firearms are stolen every year in Australia adding: "What seems to happen is these guns move into criminal hands.

"What we're asking the government - both federal and state - is to ban all semi-automatic handguns."

Also speaking at the launch was 28-year-old Gareth Fulton, shot in the leg in a drive-by shooting outside a pub in the north Sydney suburb of Cremorne in January.

Mr Fulton said he and a friend were innocent bystanders who fell victim to a thoughtless crime.

"Neither my friend nor myself are criminals or associate with anyone of the criminal persuasion - I've noticed that seems to be the first label pegged to anyone involved in any aspect of a drive-by shooting," he said.

"(The people involved in drive-by shootings) play video games and now they have got real guns and have no concept of the power that they wield.

"We need to make handguns illegal - there is no reason for owning a handgun besides shooting a person, and who claims to have a human soul would want to do that?"

Link (http://seven.com.au/news/topstories/179442)

Why call for a ban if there's no gun problems in Oz?

Because they are fvckheads who would like to see us disarmed even more. Sporting shooters who follow the rules and have their pistols/rifles stored safely, securely and disreetly are being punished for being law abiding citizens. I'd like to know where these "4,000 firearms are stolen every year in Australia" figures came from. Most, if not all illegal firearms in Australia are blackmarket purchases coming from other countries through the ports.


"(The people involved in drive-by shootings) play video games and now they have got real guns and have no concept of the power that they wield.

More senseless bull**** from people who don't have a clue.

[Geezah]

A gun-control group has called for a total ban on semi-automatic handguns to prevent them falling into criminal hands with deadly consequences.

Speaking at the launch of a new national anti-handgun advertising campaign, National Coalition for Gun Control chair Sam Lee said the future looked bleak in relation to guns.

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.

The campaign launch comes just days after the fatal drive-by shootings of two men at The Rocks in Sydney. "It is our belief that a handgun was used in this shooting and these lives could have been saved," Ms Lee said.

She is the author of a new research paper into handgun crime which found an estimated 291,273 handguns are in circulation in Australia.

The paper, called Tackling Handgun Crime in Australia, also found the majority of handguns move into the black market via theft from licensed gun owners.

The new print advertisement depicts a handgun with the trigger facing inwards, with the slogan: "The majority of guns stolen are taken from homes, increasing the change of the gun being turned against its owner".

Ms Lee said some 4,000 firearms are stolen every year in Australia adding: "What seems to happen is these guns move into criminal hands.

"What we're asking the government - both federal and state - is to ban all semi-automatic handguns."

Also speaking at the launch was 28-year-old Gareth Fulton, shot in the leg in a drive-by shooting outside a pub in the north Sydney suburb of Cremorne in January.

Mr Fulton said he and a friend were innocent bystanders who fell victim to a thoughtless crime.

"Neither my friend nor myself are criminals or associate with anyone of the criminal persuasion - I've noticed that seems to be the first label pegged to anyone involved in any aspect of a drive-by shooting," he said.

"(The people involved in drive-by shootings) play video games and now they have got real guns and have no concept of the power that they wield.

"We need to make handguns illegal - there is no reason for owning a handgun besides shooting a person, and who claims to have a human soul would want to do that?"

Link (http://seven.com.au/news/topstories/179442)

Why call for a ban if there's no gun problems in Oz?

Because they are fvckheads who would like to see us disarmed even more. Sporting shooters who follow the rules and have their pistols/rifles stored safely, securely and disreetly are being punished for being law abiding citizens. I'd like to know where these "4,000 firearms are stolen every year in Australia" figures came from. Most, if not all illegal firearms in Australia are blackmarket purchases coming from other countries through the ports.



Smugglers fly in 10,000 pistols a year: Tingle

Criminal gangs are arming themselves with Chinese-made handguns smuggled into Australia in their thousands each year, the NSW Shooters Party MP, Mr John Tingle, said yesterday.

He said there was anecdotal evidence of an explosion in the black-market gun trade, with up to 10,000 illegal guns being shipped annually, mainly aboard light aircraft landing at remote airstrips in northern Australia.

Most of the handguns were copies of more famous brands, such as Glock, which were mass-produced in Chinese armaments factories and then sold in South-East Asian cities for between $300 and $500 each.

Once on the streets of Sydney and other Australian cities, the price jumped tenfold - anywhere between $3,000 and $5,000 each - because they could not be traced if abandoned or recovered by police during a crime.

Mr Tingle's comments are supported by Cabramatta police, who reported there was evidence of "the same people engaged in both illegal drug supply and firearms trafficking".

It also came as the Premier said a blanket ban on semi-automatic handguns would have little impact on the black market trade of the weapons. Mr Carr was responding to mounting anger over the fatal shooting last week of Jai Jago, 18.

The Federal Government has promised to raise the issue of a national approach to the weapons at the next meeting of police ministers in June.

Mr Carr said the State Government was set to introduce tough new penalties for firearm offences in Parliament next month as part of its review of gun laws.

Among the measures to curb illegal gun use are increasing the penalty for the possession of a prohibited firearm from 10 to 14 years and requiring gun parts to be registered.

The illegal trafficking of firearms will attract a 14-year jail sentence - a penalty the Opposition's spokesman on police, Mr Andrew Tink, says is too low and should be raised to 20 years.

Mr Tingle said the use of stolen guns in crime was almost non-existent.

"An amnesty would do nothing. I've been saying for more than two years that the problem lies in the black market and I've been proved correct," he said.

"We are an open target. It's quite easy for them to get into northern Australia and use old airfields. We simply don't have any coastal surveillance measures to stop them."


Link (http://www.smh.com.au/news/0105/01/national/national10.html)



"(The people involved in drive-by shootings) play video games and now they have got real guns and have no concept of the power that they wield.

More senseless bull**** from people who don't have a clue.

You an thank the likes of Rebecca Peters (http://www.iansa.org/) for that and Gun-Control-Australia (http://guncontrol.org.au/index.php)

I'm not quite sure why IANSA came out with this?

http://www.iansa.org/images/front-page/fosda-poster.jpg
New poster confronting the reasons why some men own guns. Poster designed by FOSDA, a WAANSA member

I guess if you're black it's uncool, and if you're white it's super cool :cantbeli:

[joe mama]

http://www.iansa.org/images/front-page/fosda-poster.jpg
New poster confronting the reasons why some men own guns. Poster designed by FOSDA, a WAANSA member

I guess if you're black it's uncool, and if you're white it's super cool :cantbeli:

This poster tells me several things:
1) Muscular black guys in their underwear that break AK's and AK clones in half over their head make facial expressions like they're constipated. I don't know if these expressions are cool or not, however, so I hope they put out another poster.
2) The selector switch/safety on this AK is on the wrong side of the receiver.
3) The people who created this poster must think that they're intended audience are idiots, and/or have the brain of a 5 year old. If their intended audience is young black men, it's pretty damn racist to think a poster this stupid would convince them guns are not cool. Therefore, anti gun people are racist.
4) If this guy was able to break the receiver of this gun in half, while holding the stock and fore grip, then I want to know what that stock is made of and how it's attached to the receiver, and I want one for my AK clone.
5) I can read that it's not cool to have a gun, but is it cool to break a gun in half over my head? If so, wouldn't I have to get a gun first, before I could break it? This is promoting gun possession.
6) White people shouldn't worry about black people with guns, because black people won't have them because it's not cool. We may need to worry about black guys that can break guns in half with their bare hands, but I'm not sure about that.
7) The receiver on this rifle looks extremely long. Is this one of those semi automatic machine guns I hear so much about? Or maybe it's one of those quick draws that can be grabbed and aimed quickly. I'd heard those were still in development, but maybe they're finally available.

[Legion]

"What we are going to see in the future is more high-powered handguns on the streets because gun manufacturers are developing what are called quick-draws, which means they can be quickly grabbed and aimed at someone," Ms Lee said.


That is quite possibly the silliest thing I have ever read.

Dude think of how cool it will be when we can have some of those "quick-draws"!!! I can't wait!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45046

Hangun that Ms Lee would approve, no doubt!

[Geezah]

3) The people who created this poster must think that they're intended audience are idiots, and/or have the brain of a 5 year old. If their intended audience is young black men, it's pretty damn racist to think a poster this stupid would convince them guns are not cool. Therefore, anti gun people are racist.


No different than these idiots ;)


An Open Letter from the Violence Policy Center to Gun Owners About Your Legal Rights

You May Not Like the Messenger, But You Need to Hear the Message

The National Rifle Association is Putting the Interests of the Gun Industry Ahead of the Safety and Economic Interests of Gun Owners

Dear Gun Owners:
The National Rifle Association is vigorously promoting legislation on Capitol Hill that will limit your rights in class action lawsuits. Under the guise of promoting gun rights, the NRA is pushing federal legislation to severely limit class action lawsuits. The U.S.
Senate is preparing to consider the legislation (S. 5, the so-called “Class Action Fairness Act”) the week of February 7.
For those of you who have received the February issue of America’s 1st Freedom, you can read the NRA’s arguments in favor of the legislation starting on page 28. The NRA claims that “class action lawsuits could become the weapon of choice for the triumvirate of predatory trial lawyers, leftist gun-ban groups and anti-gun municipalities....The ultimate goal of such groups is to make firearms inaccessible to ordinary Americans.” The NRA article urges readers to focus on “lawsuits against a
class of defendants” as opposed to “the more common class action brought by a class of plaintiffs”—even though plaintiffs are free to sue multiple defendants outside of a class action context. The NRA’s response to this supposed looming threat is legislation that will make it virtually impossible for consumers—including gun owners—to win in class actions.
So who are the plaintiffs bringing class action suits against the gun industry? The answer is gun owners seeking fair compensation for defective guns.
Gun owners, for example, sued Remington in a Texas state court because their shotgun barrels were ****e to explode. The defendant, Remington, removed the case to federal court where it is more difficult for plaintiffs to have their case certified as a class action.
The plaintiffs’ evidence in the suit revealed 2,000 to 3,000 Remington shotgun barrel explosions over a 30-year period. In the face of such evidence, the defendants agreed
to class certification for the purposes of a settlement. Not only did the plaintiffs in that case receive compensation for the diminished value of their guns, but Remington agreed to upgrade the steel it used and provide a safety bulletin warning of the explosion hazard (see Garza v. Remington Arms Company, Inc., 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 2009).
But under S. 5, virtually all cases where consumers are injured by defective guns would be forced into federal court where, as demonstrated in the case involving Glock pistols described below, class certification is rarely granted (for more detail please see VPC fact sheets at www.vpc.org).
A nationwide class of Glock owners—estimated to number at least 50,000—brought a class action suit in an attempt to receive compensation for pistols that allegedly were ****e to jam and fire unintentionally. A federal district court ruled that Georgia law should be used to decide the claims. The federal appeals court disagreed, however, and refused to certify the class, sounding the death knell for the suit (See Spence v. Glock, Inc, 227 F. 3d 308 (5th Cir. 2000)). The legal limbo illustrated by the Glock case—where gun owners are denied a remedy—will become the norm under S. 5. Whereas today aggrieved gun owners can seek redress in state courts to avoid complicated ‘choice of law’ issues, S. 5 will force virtually all consumer class actions into federal court where plaintiffs will likely suffer the same fate as the Glock owners.
In effect, this NRA-backed bill will deny classes of gun owners the right to sue gun manufacturers in their own state courts—courts where they are more likely to win.
The result: gun consumers who buy defective firearms will be out of luck.
Don’t let the NRA sell out your rights. Preserve your legal rights by urging your Senators to OPPOSE S. 5.

Sincerely,
Violence Policy Center


Link (http://www.vpc.org/graphics/classactiongunowner.pdf)

[Legion]

3) The people who created this poster must think that they're intended audience are idiots, and/or have the brain of a 5 year old. If their intended audience is young black men, it's pretty damn racist to think a poster this stupid would convince them guns are not cool. Therefore, anti gun people are racist.


No different than these idiots ;)


An Open Letter from the Violence Policy Center to Gun Owners About Your Legal Rights

You May Not Like the Messenger, But You Need to Hear the Message

The National Rifle Association is Putting the Interests of the Gun Industry Ahead of the Safety and Economic Interests of Gun Owners

Dear Gun Owners:
The National Rifle Association is vigorously promoting legislation on Capitol Hill that will limit your rights in class action lawsuits. Under the guise of promoting gun rights, the NRA is pushing federal legislation to severely limit class action lawsuits. The U.S.
Senate is preparing to consider the legislation (S. 5, the so-called “Class Action Fairness Act”) the week of February 7.
For those of you who have received the February issue of America’s 1st Freedom, you can read the NRA’s arguments in favor of the legislation starting on page 28. The NRA claims that “class action lawsuits could become the weapon of choice for the triumvirate of predatory trial lawyers, leftist gun-ban groups and anti-gun municipalities....The ultimate goal of such groups is to make firearms inaccessible to ordinary Americans.” The NRA article urges readers to focus on “lawsuits against a
class of defendants” as opposed to “the more common class action brought by a class of plaintiffs”—even though plaintiffs are free to sue multiple defendants outside of a class action context. The NRA’s response to this supposed looming threat is legislation that will make it virtually impossible for consumers—including gun owners—to win in class actions.
So who are the plaintiffs bringing class action suits against the gun industry? The answer is gun owners seeking fair compensation for defective guns.
Gun owners, for example, sued Remington in a Texas state court because their shotgun barrels were ****e to explode. The defendant, Remington, removed the case to federal court where it is more difficult for plaintiffs to have their case certified as a class action.
The plaintiffs’ evidence in the suit revealed 2,000 to 3,000 Remington shotgun barrel explosions over a 30-year period. In the face of such evidence, the defendants agreed
to class certification for the purposes of a settlement. Not only did the plaintiffs in that case receive compensation for the diminished value of their guns, but Remington agreed to upgrade the steel it used and provide a safety bulletin warning of the explosion hazard (see Garza v. Remington Arms Company, Inc., 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 2009).
But under S. 5, virtually all cases where consumers are injured by defective guns would be forced into federal court where, as demonstrated in the case involving Glock pistols described below, class certification is rarely granted (for more detail please see VPC fact sheets at www.vpc.org).
A nationwide class of Glock owners—estimated to number at least 50,000—brought a class action suit in an attempt to receive compensation for pistols that allegedly were ****e to jam and fire unintentionally. A federal district court ruled that Georgia law should be used to decide the claims. The federal appeals court disagreed, however, and refused to certify the class, sounding the death knell for the suit (See Spence v. Glock, Inc, 227 F. 3d 308 (5th Cir. 2000)). The legal limbo illustrated by the Glock case—where gun owners are denied a remedy—will become the norm under S. 5. Whereas today aggrieved gun owners can seek redress in state courts to avoid complicated ‘choice of law’ issues, S. 5 will force virtually all consumer class actions into federal court where plaintiffs will likely suffer the same fate as the Glock owners.
In effect, this NRA-backed bill will deny classes of gun owners the right to sue gun manufacturers in their own state courts—courts where they are more likely to win.
The result: gun consumers who buy defective firearms will be out of luck.
Don’t let the NRA sell out your rights. Preserve your legal rights by urging your Senators to OPPOSE S. 5.

Sincerely,
Violence Policy Center


Link (http://www.vpc.org/graphics/classactiongunowner.pdf)

Never mind the people who sue gun manufacturers for getting shot by some thug. They are prolly gonna try to sue Ginsu for stab wounds and Stanley for getting attacked with a hammer. :-*$

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Here's a follow up on this story,

Hand gun owner claims firearm bans would also target law abiding citizens

A TAMWORTH target shooter has rejected the latest suggestion from the National Coalition for Gun Control that the ownership of hand guns should be banned across the country.

The call has followed the recent gun violence in Sydney that claimed the lives of two men during a drive-by shooting.

The Coalition says its call for a ban is supported by a new study into gun violence in Australia but the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia has hit back, claiming the report is full of "substantial errors and numerous oversights and misunderstandings".

Sporting Shooters president Dr Jeanine Baker said data from the Federal Government's Australian Institute of Criminology consistently showed that the majority of firearms used in

homicides were unregistered and not legally held.

Sporting Shooters Association of Australia Tamworth branch president Bill Caley said it wasn't fair to lump "law-abiding citizens" who used

registered firearms for sporting or target purposes in with criminals who used unregistered weapons to commit crime.

He said sporting shooters were already meeting stringent requirements put in place by the Government regarding their equipment and shooting facilities and faced serious penalties if they were found in breach of gun laws.

Mr Caley, also secretary of the Tamworth Pistol Club which has about 165 members, said the focus should instead be on cracking down on the trade in and possession of illegal firearms, a move he said that would be welcomed by the association.

"This is nothing to do with legal ownership [of guns]," he said.

"The Government already enforces laws and regulations to do with firearm ownership but what have they done since the [gun] buyback scheme to enforce laws to do with illegal firearm use."


Link (http://tamworth.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&category=general%20news&story_id=388028&y=2005&m=4)

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