can any 1 id this weapon for me?

[jlanni]

http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/photos/Operation_Iraqi_Freedom_06-23-03/DSC00564.jpg

can any 1 id these for me? thanks

[Ratamacue]

They look to be SVD Dragunovs. Is that gold plating?

[jlanni]

yea its gold plateing... they were takein from one of saddams sons palaces... it just didnt say the type of weapon

[Operation Ivy]

Bling Bling Baby :D

http://www.recoilmag.com/news/grfx/mr_t_inducted_1102.jpg

[Clay]

It could be one of these?
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/chech70.jpg
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/svdinfield1.jpg
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/chech31.jpg
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/nalliancesvd.jpg
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/indiandragunov.jpg
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/svdonpatrol.jpg
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/HungarianSVD.jpg
http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/afgansvd.jpg

[Operation Ivy]

BTW is that sniper rifle any good compared to other ones that western countries use? :D

[Deuterium]

BTW is that sniper rifle any good compared to other ones that western countries use? :D

Sure if you think a Yugo is any comparison to a Porsche. Typically when one compares sniper weapons you talk in MOA(minute of angle). A 1/4 MOA would generally be considered a good weapon. Lets just say the ol straight from the factory SVD doesn't even make the menu board.

[ArmedPacifist]

I think the gold platted thing is photoshop.

[Ratamacue]

Hey Deut or anyone else, can you explain a "minute of angle?" Is that like the radius of where the round will land around where it's aimed? If so, how is it measured? Thanks.

[rob]

moa is the riagle formed by the end of the berral and the top and bottom shots on the target.

at 100 yards 1 moa is a one inch group. but as you get further away the triagle widents and it is 2 inches at 200yards.

1/4 moa is not a good weapon, it is an amazing weapon. the svd will do around 2 moa. the m24 with issue ball ammo used by the us army will do around 1 but the ammo is the limiting factor. match ammo will reduce its moa.

the svd was not indroduced as a sniper. more of a dmr rifle. its sole purpose was to extend the range of the squad to 600 yards. it is unfair to compare it to a bolt action rifle used by weatern coutries. the russian have their own dedicated bolt action rifle.

[rob]

I think the gold platted thing is photoshop.

i dont think so. there where many gold plated weapons found in iraq within the palaces. there was even a mp5sd model which was gold plated. i heard they tryed smugling it into the us after it was found. but that is only something that i have heard. looked flashy(if not in bad tastes) in photos.

[earl]

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/7107Gold_Ak.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/3933Gold_AK-47-med.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/3933Gold_Al_Kadesiah-med.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/3933Gold_SVD-med.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/1401700065F7E-950E-1E9F-93F080BFB6FA00A7.jpg

[Russian Texan]

Somewhere I have read a comment that SVD was designed with a thought of a sniper using it as a club once he runs out of ammo :)
Not the most percise sniper weapon but definitely most robust one and wonderfully serves its purpouse up to 800m.

[Va_Dinger]

By the "orange" look of the wood furniture, I would say they are Chinese made NDM-86 sniper rifles. The Chinese copy of the Russian SVD or "Dragunov"sniper rifle.

[Shake n Bake]

I read somewhere about how the SVD wasn't really intended as a sniper weapon.. The Idea was to supplement units with an extended range capability.

Kinda like the role of the m14 now

[Chris196]

I think the gold platted thing is photoshop.

http://community.webshots.com/s/image6/2/63/8/93126308ecbHKg_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/s/image7/5/40/16/87554016ueHvSg_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/s/image7/3/94/86/89439486SmOUab_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/s/image7/3/95/1/89439501xaNcjG_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/s/image3/2/60/2/93126002uXMvbp_ph.jpg

They arent photoshopped, they're Airsoft you moron.


http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/iraqwar/story/0,4395,183349,00.html

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/13/1050172477662.html

[NBC Trooper]

Gold rifles, real proffesionals :roll:

[GazB]

The SVD was one of the first custom designed sniper weapon to be mass produced for an army. Previously standard rifles were tested for accuracy and the best were used by snipers or a modified civilian sporting weapon is used as the basis.
The SVD was designed to be used the way the Russians used snipers, not the way the west uses them. The SVD is not really used at more than 600m except for harassing fire. It is issued far more widely than western snipers rifles, with one soldier in each unit carrying one. In mountain posts or exposed areas where long range shooting is possible then the number of SVD equipped troops is often increased to 2 or 3 per unit. It plays the role of the M14 in many american units. Use standard ammo with it and accuracy is mediocre as the standard ammo is MG ammo. Use the sniper ammo issued with the weapon and it will meet NATO requirements for sniper rifle accuracy. It is not perfect, but is rugged and reliable and better than many paper designs when in the field. It is rather long but feels well balanced and is surprisingly light for a .308. It is lighter than an FN FAL or SA-80.

"the svd was not indroduced as a sniper. more of a dmr rifle. its sole purpose was to extend the range of the squad to 600 yards."

It was definitely issued as a sniper rifle... it is just that their definition of sniper is different to ours... though they have our type of snipers too.

"Hey Deut or anyone else, can you explain a "minute of angle?" Is that like the radius of where the round will land around where it's aimed? If so, how is it measured? Thanks."

Look at a compass... it has degrees. Those degrees are broken up into minutes and seconds as fractions of angle. Looking at something 1 metre away then you'd use degrees, but if it is 100m away a degree is a metre across or more. Each degree is made up of minutes of angle. At 100m or 100 yards 1 minute of angle is roughly 2.5 cms or 1 inch in diameter.
At 200m or 200 yards 1 minute of angle is 5 cm or 2 inches in diameter etc etc. A 0.25 MOA rifle fires five round groups that are a quarter of an inch across at 100m or 7.25mm 100 yards, or 1 inch groups at 400 yards.

It also depends upon range as well of course. A 0.25 MOA rifle in .22lr calibre is perfectly feasable, but it won't get 0.25 MOA accuracy at 200m.

[unwanted]

I dont think its the Chinese version of the SVD .. its more a Tabuk . the Iraqi version of the SVD . Its hard to tell though ... But I would give my 2 cents to the Tabuk Rifle ..

/edit: Oops .. Sorry .. Didnt look to much at the buttstock , my fault ..Its definetly no Tabuk rifle .... :bash:

[Kingpin]

BTW is that sniper rifle any good compared to other ones that western countries use? :D

Sure if you think a Yugo is any comparison to a Porsche. Typically when one compares sniper weapons you talk in MOA(minute of angle). A 1/4 MOA would generally be considered a good weapon. Lets just say the ol straight from the factory SVD doesn't even make the menu board.

You didn't mention distance to measure. 400 m? **** don't have here article about NATO requirements...

And GazB right - it was designed as sharpshooter rifle for conscript army - simple, reliable with accuracy enough to do precise shot for 400 m

[Roger Rabbit]

Any idea why there are so many of these gold plated weapons? Especially of the same type?

[Kingpin]

Any idea why there are so many of these gold plated weapons? Especially of the same type?

May be for some kind of ceremonial guards?

[maw]

regarding the svd's accuracy. it's the ammo not the gun. most milspec ammo hovers at over one moa, eastern bloc probably a little higher.
the original russian and chinese copies (with the rough finish) shoot exceptionally well IF YOU USE MATCH AMMO. by "exceptionally" i mean under 1 moa all day long and .5 moa 5 round groups are not uncommon. i'd be happy with one of the originals (not one of the multitude of dragunov clones) any day. granted it doesn't shoot quite as well as the mk11 or M21. but in the real world, contending with factors like wind, humidity, rotation of the planet, imprecise range, adrenaline and partially obscured moving targets - arguing over .25 moa seems petty.
btw, did you know that we copied the idea of 5r barrels from the soviets.

[ArmedPacifist]

They arent photoshopped, they're Airsoft you moron.


Sure, I remember one or two rifles were captured that were gold or silver but your telling me there is a whole cache of gold SVD's, I don't believe that sorry....and your pic links don't work....moron.

[ibstolidude]

Look at a compass... it has degrees. Those degrees are broken up into minutes and seconds as fractions of angle. Looking at something 1 metre away then you'd use degrees, but if it is 100m away a degree is a metre across or more. Each degree is made up of minutes of angle. At 100m or 100 yards 1 minute of angle is roughly 2.5 cms or 1 inch in diameter.
At 200m or 200 yards 1 minute of angle is 5 cm or 2 inches in diameter etc etc. A 0.25 MOA rifle fires five round groups that are a quarter of an inch across at 100m or 7.25mm 100 yards, or 1 inch groups at 400 yards.

It also depends upon range as well of course. A 0.25 MOA rifle in .22lr calibre is perfectly feasable, but it won't get 0.25 MOA accuracy at 200m. if you are judging MOA by representing 1MOA with meters and yards
400 m = 437.5 yards the longer range you add to that ..the larger the discrepancy. 800m = 875y (approx) for prescision shooting that makes a difference.

[redhawk_six]

They arent photoshopped, they're Airsoft you moron.


Sure, I remember one or two rifles were captured that were gold or silver but your telling me there is a whole cache of gold SVD's, I don't believe that sorry....and your pic links don't work....moron.

None of them are photoshopped. And none of them are airsoft!

They are all real, gold plated, guns.

[fokket]

Arabics like gold a lot. (they really do, but then who doesn't ;)?)

[admar2]

They arent photoshopped, they're Airsoft you moron.


Sure, I remember one or two rifles were captured that were gold or silver but your telling me there is a whole cache of gold SVD's, I don't believe that sorry....and your pic links don't work....moron.


yeah its all an elaborate hoax, and everyone was fooled except you. rofl

[Lobo]

Somebody asked where have been made those gold plated SVD.

Look...

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/3933Gold_Al_Kadesiah-med.jpg

7'62x54R is the ammo SVD uses. Just look in the web and find here a picture of "a gold plated Al Kadesiah Iraqi".
http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2003/may/may15_17.asp
So "Al Kadesiah" is the name for the Iraqi SVD.

http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2003/may/images/may15_17/GM1%20Stevenson%20demilitirizes%20gold%20plated%20rifle.jpg

[Chris196]

They arent photoshopped, they're Airsoft you moron.


Sure, I remember one or two rifles were captured that were gold or silver but your telling me there is a whole cache of gold SVD's, I don't believe that sorry....and your pic links don't work....moron.

Thats because they arent pic links dumbass...they're news story links

Do you practice, or does this come natural to you?

[ArmedPacifist]

They arent photoshopped, they're Airsoft you moron.


Sure, I remember one or two rifles were captured that were gold or silver but your telling me there is a whole cache of gold SVD's, I don't believe that sorry....and your pic links don't work....moron.

Thats because they arent pic links dumbass...they're news story links

Do you practice, or does this come natural to you?

bull****. red X's means you tried to hotlink a picture.
http://community.webshots.com/s/image6/2/63/8/93126308ecbHKg_ph.jpg

Doesn't look like a news article to me. rofl

You do have 2 newslinks yes, but that's not what I was making fun of you.

Also they aren't airsoft dumb****.

[Russian Texan]

What is a big deal anyways? Goldplated or photoshoped, its still an ugly clone. Here is the real deal
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/svd_new.jpg


Here are several dedicated sniper rifles

SV 98
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sv98-l.jpg

OSV 96
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/osv96.jpg

KSVK
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/ksvk.jpg

[Nizark]

It was said that saddam had them made as gifts for loyality as well as awards. They are real gold and they can fire just as normal kalishnkovs can. It was said that Uday thought up the idea first, and had a bunch made for himself.

[Armour recon]

Is P. Diddy recruiting an army???

[GazB]

"if you are judging MOA by representing 1MOA with meters and yards
400 m = 437.5 yards the longer range you add to that ..the larger the discrepancy. 800m = 875y (approx) for prescision shooting that makes a difference."

I included both yards and metres because MOA can be calculated in either yards or metres. (ie it is neither imperial or metric).
And I was giving only approximate MOA values for each unit for the very reason that 1 metre does not equal 1 yard, as I assumed everyone here was aware of, therefore logically if 1 MOA is 1 inch at 100 yards and 2 inches at 200 yards it changes with distance... I guessed everyone would realise that 1 MOA for 100 yards and 1 MOA for 100 metres would be different sizes.
Obviously Imperial and Metric are different distances but as I wasn't giving precise MOA sizes at each range the difference is irrelevant.
An explaination of what MOA was was asked for, not the exact details to 10 decimal places.

[haze99]

These are Iraqi manufactured Al-Kadesiah sniper rifles and not SVD's. Though similar they have a different upper and lower handguard. These models pictured were made of Gold and as far as I have read were given as gifts. (or were waiting presentation)
Check the Janes Small Arms of the World book. It will show some of the small arms produced by Iraq.
The Tabuk is based upon the Yugoslav M-70 series assault rifle. Yugoslavia assisted Iraq in domestic manufacture of the Tabuk. Hence it is similar to Yugoslav AK's.
Anyone know what happened to these pictured? I hope they didn't have C-4 placed on them!??

[reverence]

I have to disagree with the fact that the SVD is rugged. The butt is extremely light weight and fragile. I dont know what type of wood it is but it feels like balsa wood and is easilly shattered. Obviously designed to take the recoil from the big 7.62x59 straight down its axis it doesnt fair to well with trauma to its flanks so to speak. One of the complaints from Chetnya was of these skeleton style stocks breaking during fire and movement in an Urban setting. On the plus side a 2 moa group is 50.8m which subtends to a 203.2 mm group at 400m which is pretty much within the parameters for a terminal headshot at that range(200mm).A decent shot with an M4 can pull 50-60mm groups at 100 so I'd dare say the SVD can do better than 2 moa with a proficient marksman.(obviously the 5.56x45 is much more affected by atmospherics past 200m than the 7.62x59 so dont think if you are grouping 50mm you'll be getting 200mm at 400 with your varmint rifle(m4)

[Russian Texan]

I have to disagree with the fact that the SVD is rugged. The butt is extremely light weight and fragile. I dont know what type of wood it is but it feels like balsa wood and is easilly shattered.

You'll be the first one :)
Are you sure that you have had an experience with a soviet/russian issue SVD? Chinese and others are using different type of wood that is of a lesser quality. Usually you can tell the difference by the color and shine.
Troops complaining about its performance in Chechnya....wow :|
It is the first time I hear about something like that, usually it is nothing but praises for ease of maintance, reliability and ruggedness. Would you mind naming your source, thank you.

[mustamato]

http://www.*************/

Good page with a lots of info and nice pictures of the Dragunov in action.

http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/chech08.jpg

This type of sleeping matress is quite common here, never seen it used by a russian soldier before though.

[REMOV]

http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2003/may/images/may15_17/GM1%20Stevenson%20demilitirizes%20gold%20plated%20rifle.jpg

AL HILLAH, IRAQ (May 16, 2003) - U.S. Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Sherman Stevenson, a gunners mate with Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 15, out of Belton, Mo., takes apart a gold plated Al Kadesiah Iraqi sniper rifle here. The rifles were found in a weapons cache and they will be "demilitirized" or made totally inoperable by Stevenon. U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Gustavo Bahena, CJTF-7 Public Affairs Office

[George W. Bush]

I can't even begin to describe what I'm feeling after seeing that stupid fat doublechin ruin an pimped out rifle like that. :-*$ :-*$

Can't you bring this to the U.S? I think that the soldiers/marines who liberated that rifle should be allowed to keep it. BS

[maw]

reverence wrote:
"have to disagree with the fact that the SVD is rugged. The butt is extremely light weight and fragile. I dont know what type of wood it is but it feels like balsa wood and is easilly shattered."
i've never heard that one. i've heard that the sig blaser stock cracks, i had a sako in .300win mag develop some beefy cracks in the stock, but i've never heard a single complaint about the svd.

"Obviously designed to take the recoil from the big 7.62x59"
its 7.62x54.

"I'd dare say the SVD can do better than 2 moa with a proficient marksman."
it'll do way better than that. like previously mentioned, when loaded with lapua match you can get well under 1 moa. again, just for clarification, there must be dozens of svd clones out there, the only ones worth keeping are the original soviet/russian ones and the chinese ones with the rough crinkle finish. i don't shoot one, but if you'd like to know more, i could point you to some serious shooters who consistently get .5 moa 5 round groups out of them.
fwiw, i would take one over an accurized m14 any day of the week.

[dm82247]

a good source of mine says that everything on it looks like the SVD Dragunovs

[MK133]

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2003-04-25/W10A_0425.jpg

Here ya go.... rofl
http://community.webshots.com/s/image5/9/76/35/102897635xaSvBP_ph.jpg

[memphiz]

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2003-04-25/W10A_0425.jpg

Here ya go.... rofl
http://members.cox.net/mahlon1/102897635xaSvBP_ph.jpg
thats sooo sweet, ,but it sucks he cant keep it :(

[soma]

So how does the east use snipers differently then the west?

[Hullebullen]

Let an auction firm sell them off. My guess is there quite a few gun collecters who would pay big bucks for owning one of these guns...