Picture Request - Marine SOCOM Detachment (DET 1 )

[Va_Dinger]

Looking for any pictures of the new U.S. Marine DET-1 SOCOM detachment. Especially interested in any photos for their new ICQB pistol in action. Thank you in advance for any pictures.

[Ratamacue]

As far as I know, there are no pictures of them in action. These are the only two I could dig up at all:

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/c37f721a61111eda85256d520064813a/$FILE/SOCOMlow.jpg

Staff Sgt. Andrew T. Kingdon, a reconnaissance scout with the newly formed Marine Corps Detachment One - the Corps' new special operations unit built on the heritage and traditions of the Marine Raiders of World War II - demonstrates the use of a laser marker and designator for laser guided bombs to Chuck Meacham, president of the Marine Raiders Association. Detachment One activated June 20 and is headquartered at the Camp Del Mar boat basin.
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/05a70d7ec27b1d2485256db4007cbaf7/$FILE/Det%20One_hr.jpg
Marine Corps Detachment One, U.S. Special Operations Command logo.

[JF45]

Your best bet will be to find the December issue of SWAT. Has an article on the DET-1 pistol by Pat Rogers.

[navylt]

I'll see what I can dig up.

That picture, by the way, is taken in the supply shack and parachute loft at DET 1's facility at Camp Pendleton. They have a couple of those great quad ATV's there, too. Their fenced space isn't that large and the temporary shelters look like circus tents.

[Va_Dinger]

Thats what I'm looking for, keep them coming! Thanks everybody

[Vance]

Aren't there pictures of them in Liberia?

[Ratamacue]

There are pictures of Force Recon in Liberia, but I haven't seen any pictures at all of DET1 in action. It's possible that some of the guys were DET1, but the photos were released as members of Force Recon.

[Haiw]

none confirmed...
i'd doubt they'd be in action already since the unit's been started...well..half a year or so ago?

[Ratamacue]

They were activated in either June or July, I forget which. Plus, at the moment they only have 86 members, which means they hold an extremely low profile.

[BMF]

just curious. whats the actual mission of Det. 1? i know its the first marine unit to join SOCOM and all that..but how are they unique compared to force recon, and the rest of socom? im just wondering what they bring to the table thats different from SF (including SFOD-D) rangers, AFSOC, NSW, etc...

[96B]

The unit is not even on operational status yet, which will happen around April when they complete their final phase of training and enter rotations with the NSW teams.

Its not necessarily about new capabilities, but more SOF manpower plus the fact that the USMC is getting largely left out of the picture without their stake in SOCOM. Back in the late 80s when it was created, Force Recon was up for assimilation but the Corps smartly decided to keep control over their SOF units. Today with the War on Terror, it is a whole different ballgame the USMC wants in on and rightly so. Unless I have misunderstood what little bit of information I have read about the unit, it is a sort of "trial" unit to see how they perform. Chances are they will prove that the Corps best and brightest have very much respectable capabilities to put on the table and sometime thereafter an official (larger) unit will be created with a mission not disimilar from the SEALs.

[Ratamacue]

Essentially, the mission at this time is similar to both Force Recon and SEALs (the men training for the unit do go to BUD/S). They aren't really bringing anything new to the table except the expertise of the best of the best of USMC Recon.

[usa320]

There are too many Special ops units already...MArines already have FAST.

[Ratamacue]

FAST isn't part of SOCOM. The whole point behind DET1 is to get the Marines involved with some of the SOCOM operations.

[molsen]

There are too many Special ops units already...MArines already have FAST.

The FAST Co's are regular infantry Marines. There is absolutely nothing special about them. For lack of a better description, they're "advanced security guards."


the men training for the unit do go to BUD/S

Det1 Marines do not go through BUD/S. BUD/S is for training sailors to become SEALs. Det1 might be crosstraining with some SEALs at Coronado, but that's it. There is nothing that BUD/S can teach to the Marines of Det1.

[Ratamacue]

The standards for DET1 say that you must go through BUD/S. Remember, the Marines are part of the Navy, and different services going to the schools of different services very often. For example, all people training in static-line parachuting go to the Army Airborne School.

[molsen]

Unless I have misunderstood what little bit of information I have read about the unit, it is a sort of "trial" unit to see how they perform.

You have misunderstood the little bit of info you have read about the unit, because you are wrong.

[molsen]

The standards for DET1 say that you must go through BUD/S. Remember, the Marines are part of the Navy, and different services going to the schools of different services very often. For example, all people training in static-line parachuting go to the Army Airborne School.

Remember, you are NOT a Marine, while I am. I have info from the inside that you don't. Why would a Marine assigned to Det1 need to go to BUD/s to become a combat diver if he already is one?!?! That's just one example of why you don't know what you're talking about. I know a couple guys in the Det. Hell, I used to be assigned to the compound that they're using right now!

[USMarine3521]

The unit is not even on operational status yet, which will happen around April when they complete their final phase of training and enter rotations with the NSW teams.

Its not necessarily about new capabilities, but more SOF manpower plus the fact that the USMC is getting largely left out of the picture without their stake in SOCOM. Back in the late 80s when it was created, Force Recon was up for assimilation but the Corps smartly decided to keep control over their SOF units. Today with the War on Terror, it is a whole different ballgame the USMC wants in on and rightly so. Unless I have misunderstood what little bit of information I have read about the unit, it is a sort of "trial" unit to see how they perform. Chances are they will prove that the Corps best and brightest have very much respectable capabilities to put on the table and sometime thereafter an official (larger) unit will be created with a mission not disimilar from the SEALs.

probably too also get some of that SOCOM budget. :D

[USMarine3521]

The standards for DET1 say that you must go through BUD/S. Remember, the Marines are part of the Navy, and different services going to the schools of different services very often. For example, all people training in static-line parachuting go to the Army Airborne School.

Remember, you are NOT a Marine, while I am. I have info from the inside that you don't. Why would a Marine assigned to Det1 need to go to BUD/s to become a combat diver if he already is one?!?! That's just one example of why you don't know what you're talking about. I know a couple guys in the Det. Hell, I used to be assigned to the compound that they're using right now!

yeah that too doesn't really make sense to me for a Recon Marine to go to BUD/S

[96B]

Sending Force Recon / Scout Snipers with years of experience to BUD/S would be like sending Special Forces to boot all over again.



Unless I have misunderstood what little bit of information I have read about the unit, it is a sort of "trial" unit to see how they perform.

You have misunderstood the little bit of info you have read about the unit, because you are wrong.

Which part am I wrong about?

[USMarine3521]

Sending Force Recon / Scout Snipers with years of experience to BUD/S would be like sending Special Forces to boot all over again.

yeah they would be the ones taking the instructors to school rofl

[Ratamacue]

Maybe I'm wrong, but what I read was that even the most experienced guys are required to go to BUD/S before deployment. Remember that the unit may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines. But, I could be wrong.

[molsen]

Maybe I'm wrong, but what I read was that even the most experienced guys are required to go to BUD/S before deployment. Remember that the unit may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines. But, I could be wrong.

Marines do NOT go to BUD/S!! What part of that do you not understand?!?!? Sailors go to BUD/S. Marines go to ARC/BRC (can't remember what the current title for the school is) and then they are sent to jump school and dive school and whatever else they need to go to. I've "heard" that some Marines have been sent to the dive portion of BUD/S, but I have never personally met any Marines that have. And if they did go to the dive portion, then that's all they went to. And yes, the Det may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines, but they will have to have met any and all prerequisites to get there, and those include jump and dive school among other courses. The Marine Corps will not send a Marine to BUD/S so that said Marine can become either a Recon Marine, Force Recon Marine, or a member of the Det. They will send said Marine thru their own "pipeline" so that they can make sure they get what they want, not what the Navy wants. Remember, SEALs, Recon, Force, Det1, etc all have different mission requirements, and they all have their own ways of getting the kind of personnal they want.

[molsen]

molsen wrote:
Quote:
Unless I have misunderstood what little bit of information I have read about the unit, it is a sort of "trial" unit to see how they perform.


You have misunderstood the little bit of info you have read about the unit, because you are wrong.


Which part am I wrong about?

Det1 is not a trial unit. They are the real deal, just not operational yet.

[96B]

Thanks for clearin that up for me, I began stepping on turf from which I have no experience ;)

[molsen]

96B,

That's cool. No harm, no foul.

[webfoots]

Force Recon Marines go through 3 main schools during their "pipeline". Basic Recon Course, Marine Combatant Dive School (Naval Diving & Salvage Training Center (NDSTC) in Panama City, Florida), Army Basic Airborne School(Fort Benning), and along with a Close Quarter Battle Course

[MarineSniper8541]

There goes the farm.

Some big-wig finally gave in and is letting SOCOM get their hands on Marines. I never thought I'd see it happen but I know SOCOM is stretched to its limits right now and needs more man power. I just hope they dont politic as much as they are known to and just let the guys to their jobs.

Dunno if most of you know it or not but the only reason that the military "special operations" civilian groupies have not seen a media-cool unit from the Marines is because for the longest time, we didnt want anyone putting thier nasty grubby paws on our special units, accept other Marines.

Force does a lot of high speed stuff and is just as capable as any other special unit. The difference is that we do not allow access by the media to our units like SOCOM does.

Also, the access they grant to those units has a significant recruiting value to those branches of the service. Do you guys know how many people the Navy recruits every year who join thinking/hoping they will be SEALs but end up as a lowly Botswain's mate or Machinist's mate on some replenisher ship? Not many people join the Navy saying " I want to tie knots and pick rust all day"

What is so nice about the Marine's special units is that you can not "join to be one". You have to start out as a grunt and prove yourself to them. And you can be **** canned at any given time and sent right back to an infantry unit before you even know what is happening.

Force Recon Indoc version of dropping a prospect:

"Oh, whats that, Marine?" "You have a blister on your heel and it's making it hard for you to finish the pack-run portion of the indoc in time?" "Drop your pack, pick up your ****, get out of my face and tell your Gunny never to send you back!" "I don't care who the hell told you that you were doing good dispite your injury, get the f%#k out of my face!"
"The rest of you guys, I hope you're thirsty cause its time to head to the pool and I can't wait to see you guys grab for the side so I can send you back with that wimp that just left"

BUD/S version of dropping a prospect:

The board has concluded that you will be dropped for your lack of performance.

[USMarine3521]

Force Recon Indoc version of dropping a prospect:

"Oh, whats that, Marine?" "You have a blister on your heel and it's making it hard for you to finish the pack-run portion of the indoc in time?" "Drop your pack, pick up your ****, get out of my face and tell your Gunny never to send you back!" "I don't care who the hell told you that you were doing good dispite your injury, get the f%#k out of my face!"
"The rest of you guys, I hope you're thirsty cause its time to head to the pool and I can't wait to see you guys grab for the side so I can send you back with that wimp that just left"

BUD/S version of dropping a prospect:

The board has concluded that you will be dropped for your lack of performance.

LOL! rofl rofl

[Deuterium]

Dunno if most of you know it or not but the only reason that the military "special operations" civilian groupies have not seen a media-cool unit from the Marines is because for the longest time, we didnt want anyone putting thier nasty grubby paws on our special units, accept other Marines.


You have a couple of facts wrong in your above statement. You don't really understand how forces are controlled. Let me explain it to you. Forces are not controlled by SOCOM. SOCOM is a "force provider". It is one of the nine unified commands across DOD.

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/almanac/unified.html

SOCOM doesn’t order troops to take this hill or attack this target. There are theater commands, EUCOM, PACOM, CENTCOM...etc. THESE are the commands that control and "put their hooks in" (grubby paws as you call it) the forces. The theater commander requests from the force providers, Marines, Airforce, Army, for troops. He then commands those troops. You work for him on deployment. A marine doesn't work for the Marine Corps, he works for the combatant commander be he Airforce, Army, Navy, or Marine. If I deploy to Poland I don't work for USASFC, USASOC, or SOCOM, I work for a Marine commander, the current EUCOM commander, General Jones, USMC. IF I'm in a SOF unit I work for the SOCEUR commander, who is under Commander EUCOM.
You had a good rant but you're giving out bad poop. SOCOM's job is money, gear, training, not the operational control of units.

[Deuterium]

What is so nice about the Marine's special units is that you can not "join to be one". You have to start out as a grunt and prove yourself to them. And you can be **** canned at any given time and sent right back to an infantry unit before you even know what is happening.


Oh and that's how the Army does it for SF, Delta, TF160.

[Apogee]

Some big-wig finally gave in and is letting SOCOM get their hands on Marines. I never thought I'd see it happen but I know SOCOM is stretched to its limits right now and needs more man power. I just hope they dont politic as much as they are known to and just let the guys to their jobs.


The Marines actually opted not to join SOCOM at its creation b/c they didn't think they could spare the resources. The idea of creating a Marine SOCOM unit has been floating around for a while. DET1 was created partly to relieve the strech on specialops units, but also to fill a niche that was not previously filled. At the same time they double cover some of the missions that the Navy SEALS perform. Again, just my .02 $

[TriggerPuller]

Maybe I'm wrong, but what I read was that even the most experienced guys are required to go to BUD/S before deployment. Remember that the unit may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines. But, I could be wrong. Once again I see you running your suck when you should be listening to people in the know. I dont know how many times Molsen had to point this out to you,STFU and maybe you will learn something. If you want to learn something and ask a question do so. I help moderate at Navyseals.com in the Force Recon section but you are completely taking up precious bandwith on this site with your stupidity.

BTW Iam SGTROCK over there. Deueterium has got his **** together maybe you can learn a little from him before I chew you up!!!!

[Ratamacue]

You may be a former Recon Marine, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a raging asshole. Get over yourself.I said that's what I READ!


Maybe I'm wrong, but what I read was that even the most experienced guys are required to go to BUD/S before deployment. Remember that the unit may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines. But, I could be wrong
I can respect that fact that you're a Marine, but I can't respect the fact that you seem to look down upon anybody that isn't serving or is unable to join.

[MarineSniper8541]

Deut,

I see why my earlier statement was misleading. What I should have said was SOCOM cant touch what SOCOM does not have.

I probably could have said in that one sentence what I tried to say in a paragraph. :lol:

[Dmitri]

You may be a former Recon Marine, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a raging asshole. Get over yourself.I said that's what I READ!

Ratamacue, don't get mad, if you still don't realize it, you will meet a lot of people like that when you get to active duty, especially at the start, so get used to it. ;)

[TriggerPuller]

You may be a former Recon Marine, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a raging asshole. Get over yourself.I said that's what I READ!


Maybe I'm wrong, but what I read was that even the most experienced guys are required to go to BUD/S before deployment. Remember that the unit may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines. But, I could be wrong
I can respect that fact that you're a Marine, but I can't respect the fact that you seem to look down upon anybody that isn't serving or is unable to join. No I just dont like wannabe pussies giving out false information about what we do!! read about SOF units all you want but dont post info that you have not been directly involved with or have first hand knowledge of. Clear? One more thing piss ant you wanna hide behind that computer and call me names or you wanna come out and play?

TP

One more thing have you signed up yet? I got a couple of "friends" that will like to have a word with you when you step off that bus! Let me know tough guy. BTW if you cant handle a little criticism here you aint gonna make it in the Corps there poolee!!

[Deuterium]

Deut,

I see why my earlier statement was misleading. What I should have said was SOCOM cant touch what SOCOM does not have.

I probably could have said in that one sentence what I tried to say in a paragraph. :lol:

That's cool. I got ya. I did like the blister comment though...

[Trigger]

WOW!
someone needs a hug. :(

[Ratamacue]

I'm 15. Can't sign up 'til I'm 17, but I plan on it the day I turn. I don't mind handling criticism when it makes sense or has a reason behind it. Your objective seems to be simply to parade yourself around as the almighty and anyone less experienced than you is scum. I post what I like because this is a public forum, privately-owned by Hood, not you. I take corrections when they come, but I don't take bull**** regardless of who you are.

By the way, I found where I'd thought they're going to BUD/S.

Marine Corps News> Corps joins special ops ranks (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/ac95bc775efc34c685256ab50049d458/d0a4816a648ee2d885256d5200641ca4?OpenDocument)


After the evaluation period, Detachment One will fall under Naval Special Warfare Squadron One. The detachment is expected to begin training with a Navy SEAL team in October and subsequently deploy in April.
My mistake there. I probably just interpreted it as training at BUD/S.

[Salty Dog]

You may be a former Recon Marine, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a raging asshole. Get over yourself.I said that's what I READ!


Maybe I'm wrong, but what I read was that even the most experienced guys are required to go to BUD/S before deployment. Remember that the unit may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines. But, I could be wrong
I can respect that fact that you're a Marine, but I can't respect the fact that you seem to look down upon anybody that isn't serving or is unable to join. No I just dont like wannabe pussies giving out false information about what we do!! read about SOF units all you want but dont post info that you have not been directly involved with or have first hand knowledge of. Clear? One more thing piss ant you wanna hide behind that computer and call me names or you wanna come out and play?

TP

One more thing have you signed up yet? I got a couple of "friends" that will like to have a word with you when you step off that bus! Let me know tough guy. BTW if you cant handle a little criticism here you aint gonna make it in the Corps there poolee!!

ratamacue is only 15 years old. so i think it alright for him to hide behind a computer. but he has alot more professionalism to him than most people here, including you, and myself.

[TriggerPuller]

You got a lot to learn you little twerp. maybe youve been getting away with posting bogus info in the past..... thats the point iam trying to get across to you. Ask a question about the Marines but do not post an answer to one for you are not one of us! That should be the end of the discussion!

TP

[Ratamacue]

So, my opinions and responses on these matters are worthless? God damn man, get a grip. When I say something wrong, correct me in a civilized manner and I'll accept it. But you aren't going to get me to stop posting because of your opinions.

[TriggerPuller]

You may be a former Recon Marine, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a raging asshole. Get over yourself.I said that's what I READ!


Maybe I'm wrong, but what I read was that even the most experienced guys are required to go to BUD/S before deployment. Remember that the unit may not always be made up of prior Recon Marines. But, I could be wrong
I can respect that fact that you're a Marine, but I can't respect the fact that you seem to look down upon anybody that isn't serving or is unable to join. No I just dont like wannabe pussies giving out false information about what we do!! read about SOF units all you want but dont post info that you have not been directly involved with or have first hand knowledge of. Clear? One more thing piss ant you wanna hide behind that computer and call me names or you wanna come out and play?

TP

One more thing have you signed up yet? I got a couple of "friends" that will like to have a word with you when you step off that bus! Let me know tough guy. BTW if you cant handle a little criticism here you aint gonna make it in the Corps there poolee!!

ratamacue is only 15 years old. so i think it alright for him to hide behind a computer. but he has alot more professionalism to him than most people here, including you, and myself. Professionalism means not answering questions that you have no idea about. You or your little girlfriend have not gone through what we have so refrain from being a no it all on SOF topics.

TP

[TriggerPuller]

So, my opinions and responses on these matters are worthless? God damn man, get a grip. When I say something wrong, correct me in a civilized manner and I'll accept it. But you aren't going to get me to stop posting because of your opinions. Kid you are hopeless. One day if and when you make it in the service of your choice you will understand.

TP

[Ratamacue]

I've never known a Marine to give up just like that. How sad. If you're going to try to force your opinions on someone, don't give up if at first you don't succeed.

[Salty Dog]

hahahaha , "my little girlfriend". you're not very clever for a former recon marine ;)

[Deuterium]

You got a lot to learn you little twerp. maybe youve been getting away with posting bogus info in the past..... thats the point iam trying to get across to you. Ask a question about the Marines but do not post an answer to one for you are not one of us! That should be the end of the discussion!

TP

Agreed....

The other thing you guys need to know about Marines, Army, Navy, SOF, is that it attracts Type "A" personalities, present party included. The worse thing that gets your blood a boiling is to read the comments from some KID about your unit/branch of service, when you know darn well that the closest thing hard the kid has done lately is to **** a big BM. He probably cried doing it. Being in the military, being on deployments, being in combat, is not something you can even comment on until you have been there and experienced it yourself. The reaction that you got from the above quoted individual is an example of what happens. Unlike the civilian world, most guys’ reaction to any problem in the military is to break things/people. It's how we deal with life.

[Ratamacue]

THAT'S the kind of response I'll take heed to. But nevertheless, I'd prefer to say something and then be corrected than to go on with the wrong info, even if I'm keeping it to myself.

[USMarine3521]

man its like Recon Marine vs. Marine poolees....im neutral *pulls out white flag* rofl

:|

[Salty Dog]

that's fine deuterium, i can respect and understand that coming from you because you say it in a civilized manner and you explain it in a way that's not putting us down, or biting our heads off.

[Deuterium]

Don't get me wrong, we were talking about Marines so my bad side didn't come out. I'm on Triggerpuller's side.

[Salty Dog]

that is fine.

[TriggerPuller]

Don't get me wrong, we were talking about Marines so my bad side didn't come out. I'm on Triggerpuller's side. BTW ratamacue my friend here is in your AO with 17 years SF experience maybe he can pay you a visit if you would like to discuss things in a professional manner.

Deuterium, FYI it's SGTROCK. take care brother!

TP

[Beowulf]

You got a lot to learn you little twerp. maybe youve been getting away with posting bogus info in the past..... thats the point iam trying to get across to you. Ask a question about the Marines but do not post an answer to one for you are not one of us! That should be the end of the discussion!

TP

Agreed....

The other thing you guys need to know about Marines, Army, Navy, SOF, is that it attracts Type "A" personalities, present party included. The worse thing that gets your blood a boiling is to read the comments from some KID about your unit/branch of service, when you know darn well that the closest thing hard the kid has done lately is to **** a big BM. He probably cried doing it. Being in the military, being on deployments, being in combat, is not something you can even comment on until you have been there and experienced it yourself. The reaction that you got from the above quoted individual is an example of what happens. Unlike the civilian world, most guys’ reaction to any problem in the military is to break things/people. It's how we deal with life.


THAT'S the kind of response I'll take heed to.

Speaking of SOF capabilities, look at that impact indicator :-)

[Ratamacue]

I'd love the opportunity to speak with a real-life SOF soldier in real life. :)

[FallenAngel]

I'd love the opportunity to speak with a real-life SOF soldier in real life. :)

Ditto on that. I am 19 and currently working on my BA with plans to go OCS after graduation. I have read up on a lot of Marine corps history, traditions and current programs, weapons and so forth. My uncle is a former Marine who did two tours in Vietnam. My girlfriends' cousin is a Marine 'grunt' stationed at Camp Pendelton and I have another friend who is stationed at Twenty-Nine Palms. I consider myself pretty informed when it comes to the Marine corps...

...however, I have never claimed to be anything more than a [quote]wannabe[/unquote]. I am not a btdt person and so I have no idea what the military designation for a bedroll or a shoelace is. I have only the information provided to me to get, at best, a second hand experiance of what being a Marine is really all about. That being said...information is what I am in seek of. Ratamacue is in the same boat. Maybe we have something wrong or misunderstood previous information. It's not like we purposefully screw up facts for the sole reason for pissing off some ex-grunt in a internet forum- I am sorry, but the world does NOT revolve around you.

So, when someone makes a mistake- do not bite their head off, become aggressive or condescending or vengeful or threatening. Please...you claim to be a Marine and then act like this towards those who admire you and the Corps? That screams being highly unprofessional of a former Marine, you seem to portray the Corps in a negative light if this is indeed the acceptable behavior of a Marine, and, overall, an asshole not worth listening to- I don't give a **** if you've been awarded the Medal of Honor. Act in a mature (I know it's hard) and kindly manner and provide the correct information so that everyone can benifit from it. As Ratamacie stated....you're much more likely to get a positive responce when you start using your brain and making respectful and informative statements.

I said it just the other day in another forum...when this place first started, it was a great place where users respected one another. Those that were in the know taught those who didn't- they did not use their knowledge to act in such a manner as most of you former soldiers and Marines have shown. Most of the older members of the board such as Xasa, JiJo, USMA, Tane, Beowulf, etc. don't post here a fraction of what they used to. Why? Because these forums have gone to **** in the past few months as the immaturity and "mine's bigger than yours" **** has infected damn near every thread. That's a sad thing to happen- especially knowing how much work Hood puts into this place- to see it overrun by "men" acting more like children.

[Haiw]

to see it overrun by "men" acting more like children.
hate to say it's children trying to act like men too...

[BMF]

anyways, backkk to the topic...no point bashing on this kid for a month of sundays

[Apogee]

Whatever happened to ol' Duke? He used to have some good stuff to say abou tthe Corps? (Being a Marine officer and all).

Glad to have you here trigger puller, always nice another person to learn from.

Have a good one everyone.

[FallenAngel]

to see it overrun by "men" acting more like children.
hate to say it's children trying to act like men too...

True- perhaps I should have included that in my little rant. :lol:

As for Triggerpuller et. al. - I always welcome those who have btdt. As Scuba said...it's just one more source for accurate information from which everyone can benifit. :D I just hope that everyone can act civilized like in the good ol' days.

Duke hasn't been here for months and now that you mention it....I do miss his pro-Corps comments :D

[Ratamacue]

Dang, haven't seen Duke in ages.

[TriggerPuller]

Thanks for the welcome for those that have. If I sound harsh what do you think the DI is gonna sound like? i take being a Marine very serious this is not a game and the correct info needs to be laid out there short of OPSEC violations. Get a thick skin you are gonna need it later in life when the **** hits the fan.Iam a VERY aggressive individual I did not make it through the things I have for being a brown nosing meek individual. I like your guys spirit but i just want the correct info to get out from the people who have done it. Thats all.

TP

[FallenAngel]

Thanks for the welcome for those that have. If I sound harsh what do you think the DI is gonna sound like? i take being a Marine very serious this is not a game and the correct info needs to be laid out there short of OPSEC violations. Get a thick skin you are gonna need it later in life when the **** hits the fan.Iam a VERY aggressive individual I did not make it through the things I have for being a brown nosing meek individual. I like your guys spirit but i just want the correct info to get out from the people who have done it. Thats all.

TP

Hey...be as aggressive as you want. Believe me when i say that everyone who wants to be a Marine knows they need thick skin (well...almost everyone...) when the situation calls for it. But here on the internet....think of it more like a classroom rather than a parade ground. ;)

[Ratamacue]

I think we got off to a bad start. I'm Ratamacue aka Rat aka "hey you over there," I'm 15 and I like to take long walks on the beach with big, muscular Marines. Just kidding...yeah. Anyway, yeah, I'm 15 and I plan on going DEP as soon as I turn 17. My eventual objective is Recon, but just being in infantry is satisfactory to me.

As for getting a thick skin, believe me, I got it. The issue is that there's no need to be a raging asshole over the internet. Be respectful and you'll receive the same in return.

With that said, welcome to the board and please, feel free to flame ducimus19. :lol:

[Salty Dog]

With that said, welcome to the board and please, feel free to flame ducimus19.

i second that! rofl

[TriggerPuller]

I think we got off to a bad start. I'm Ratamacue aka Rat aka "hey you over there," I'm 15 and I like to take long walks on the beach with big, muscular Marines. Just kidding...yeah. Anyway, yeah, I'm 15 and I plan on going DEP as soon as I turn 17. My eventual objective is Recon, but just being in infantry is satisfactory to me.

As for getting a thick skin, believe me, I got it. The issue is that there's no need to be a raging asshole over the internet. Be respectful and you'll receive the same in return.

With that said, welcome to the board and please, feel free to flame ducimus19. :lol: I dont need respect from a 15 year old, I get all the respect I need from my brothers in arms in other SOF units that know my operational past. Ill tell you what though if you post anymore bad poop on Marines Ill let you know exactly how I feel about you!! take care

TP(raging asshole extrodinaire)

[Ratamacue]

Fair enough.

[molsen]

I dont need respect from a 15 year old, I get all the respect I need from my brothers in arms in other SOF units that know my operational past. Ill tell you what though if you post anymore bad poop on Marines Ill let you know exactly how I feel about you!! take care

Well said, brother!

Semper Fi
Mike (just another Marine who knows what the hell he's talking about and doesn't feel the need to prove himself to anyone except his fellow Marines)

[molsen]

anyways, backkk to the topic...no point bashing on this kid for a month of sundays

The reason we Marines started bashing is because people started to pass info on about something they know nothing about. Just because you've "read" it somewhere or you "know someone" doesn't mean crap. I could go read a book right now about flying an airplane, that doesn't mean I'm a pilot! Until you have been there and done that, then you shouldn't comment on something. And these little rants we Marines have gone one are NOTHING compared to what will happen at MCRD, much less the fleet, if you even make it that far.

[Ratamacue]

I see where you guys are coming from. As for the BUD/S thing, I misinterpreted something from an official source. So my apologies on that molsen.

[James]

;) I think I am the most mellow Marine there ever was.

[Haiw]

'Marines stink'.

*INCOMING!!!!*

just kidding guys ;) :hug:

[Roger Rabbit]

Lets all bash the 15 year old to show how tough we are.

*waits for the inevitable challenge to a fight." :roll:

[TriggerPuller]

anyways, backkk to the topic...no point bashing on this kid for a month of sundays

The reason we Marines started bashing is because people started to pass info on about something they know nothing about. Just because you've "read" it somewhere or you "know someone" doesn't mean crap. I could go read a book right now about flying an airplane, that doesn't mean I'm a pilot! Until you have been there and done that, then you shouldn't comment on something. And these little rants we Marines have gone one are NOTHING compared to what will happen at MCRD, much less the fleet, if you even make it that far.Thats been my point all along. Im sure my DI buds will be all touchy feely when you want to tell them you allready know it all cause youve seen FMJ and read The Complete Battle History of the U.S. Marines!!!!! Molsen, Semper Fi.

TP

[Roger Rabbit]

Oh so by your logic then none of us here should answer any questions on say The Battle of Britain because none of us went though it. Oh and i had better not answer any questions on Medieval European History because i wasn't there and so i'm not qualified to say anything about it.

[TriggerPuller]

Oh so by your logic then none of us here should answer any questions on say The Battle of Britain because none of us went though it. Oh and i had better not answer any questions on Medieval European History because i wasn't there and so i'm not qualified to say anything about it.Another genius here who has missed the point and just wants to argue for the sake of it!! Giving out wrong info and then argueing after you have been corrected is the point!!Clear? Understanding History and giving out eroneous info on operations,tactics and equipment are 2 different things!

TP

[Roger Rabbit]

Scrap what i said. Argyll made a much better point.

[Argyll]

Fair point there TP,
But it's up to you guys who are serving and have just served to "correct" the errors,but without coming down too hard on some guys here,you've got to remember that a lot of folks who post here are still in school,and have no military knowledge whatsoever,though there are some clowns who have read it all in books ,and consider themselves to be "experts".
Take care......from an old soldier to a current one!!

[hank]

Hello all. This is my first post but I have been coming to the site for about six months to check out the happenings. I really enjoy the pictures and usually enjoy the forums.

This thread has brought up a few points that I feel compelled to respond to.

First, to Deuterium. Thanks for all your input. I always check your posts for two reasons. 1 - they contain great info that is otherwise hard to come by. 2 - and most importantly - you are one of the few people currently in the military whose posts are not condescending. For that - thanks and please continue to give us the great information.

Second - TriggerPuller - relax and take a deep breath. Your bravado over the internet is impressive and we are all sure that you are as tough as you say you are. Ratamacue read something and tried to post it and you responded by telling something you have heard. Guess what - anecdotal accounts about this unit among Marines are just as unreliable as anything Ratamacue or any of the rest of us can find online. I take it from your post that you are in the Marines and it turns my stomach to see you challenge a fifteen year old like you did in this thread. If you want to pick on someone or vent your frustrations try someone else. The fact is that none of us know anything more about this unit than anyone else. That is the whole point - it is new and nobody knows anything about it outside rumor and what they have heard.

I do not got to forums where a lot of active duty military personnel post becuase many are like TriggerPuller. Argumentative and full of crap. If that is your chosen means of communicating with others then please do all of us a favor and STFU yourself.

TriggerPuller - ask youself this question. What do you really know about this new unit? Has anyone associated with or actually in the unit told you anything? If yes, then pass that info on if you think it appropriate. Do so in a respectful fashion. If not, then feel free to add your opinion to all the rest. The readers can decide for themselves what to agree or disagree with. But don't respond by bashing people on this site. That is a waste of everyone's time.

As for me - I know absolutley nothing about this unit or any other unit in the military. That is why I come here to look at pictures and read these posts. I am certain that Ratamacue meant no dispespect in anything he said.

As brother Tane Angle says - have a good one and just some thoughts

[TriggerPuller]

If you wnay to know what I know come on down to McP's(Coronado Island) tonight and I will tell you everything there is to know about MarDet-1 short of OPSEC. While you are there I will introduce you to my Team members and a few of my ST friends present and past. Until then when bad info is passed on about Marines it will be dealt with by me in any manner I see fit. BTW Iam the little guy(6'5" 250 lbs) full of tattoos you cant miss me and Iam very well known at this world famous hangout!!! You buy the beers though!!! LOL

TP P.S.dont ever put words in my mouth,never said I was a tough guy!

[hank]

I did not put words in anybody's mouth. You challeneged Ratamacue to "come out and play". Only a tough guy would do so over the internet.

As for the beers, I have other plans. Thanks anyway.

Are you a memebr of MarDet-1? If so, tell us more if you think it appropriate. That is the reason that we are here. If not but if you know things that are appropriate to talk about, then have at it. If something is incorrectly stated, feel free to correct the misstatements. Since the original reason for this thread was photos, post them if you can.

Do us all a favor and leave the threats and the BS behind. We just don't care.

[Midtown]

A guy I went to high school with Joined the Marines, we all thought he was gay, and just recently he came out of the closet. (he's been in the Marines for over two years now) But its the funniest thing, because he is so what you WOULDNT expect someone to be in the marines. This kid is the most girly man I've ever seen, I cant figure it out how he made it thru basic in once piece. He was bragging about his unarmed combat skills one night, and I was like "aight dude, lets have a go, I wanna see what you learned" That took me all of 1 minute to get him to tap out. I am not that tough of a guy by any aspect (Im used to fighting in hockey, not unarmed combat ****) But then later he was bragging about his M16, and I was doing everything in my power not to cry. Dont get me wrong I have tons of respect for all the Armed Forces, but how this kid got through ANY basic training just drives me nuts. Not to mention the most annoying SOB alive. Ima go back to eating a double cheeseburger now. carry on with the Arguments.

[Salty Dog]

i heard tattoos were for insecure people, to make them feel better about themselves. but i don't know this for sure, just what i heard. p-)

[TriggerPuller]

A guy I went to high school with Joined the Marines, we all thought he was gay, and just recently he came out of the closet. (he's been in the Marines for over two years now) But its the funniest thing, because he is so what you WOULDNT expect someone to be in the marines. This kid is the most girly man I've ever seen, I cant figure it out how he made it thru basic in once piece. He was bragging about his unarmed combat skills one night, and I was like "aight dude, lets have a go, I wanna see what you learned" That took me all of 1 minute to get him to tap out. I am not that tough of a guy by any aspect (Im used to fighting in hockey, not unarmed combat ****) But then later he was bragging about his M16, and I was doing everything in my power not to cry. Dont get me wrong I have tons of respect for all the Armed Forces, but how this kid got through ANY basic training just drives me nuts. Not to mention the most annoying SOB alive. Ima go back to eating a double cheeseburger now. carry on with the Arguments. Every unit has their 10%. He probably got through Boot cause he didnt quit,and whatever he is or isnt doesnt matter he at least sucked it up(no pun intended) and joined and made it through. yes he is a Marine now but that doesnt mean he will be in a conbat billet.

TP
MarineDEP4, again dont believe everything you hear! LOL

[FallenAngel]

i heard tattoos were for insecure people, to make them feel better about themselves. but i don't know this for sure, just what i heard. p-)

Depends on the type and place of the tattoo. A little heart that says "mom" on it is problably not an insecurity.

Covering yourself with eye-catching/ provokative tattoos could be interpeted as a subconscience cry for attention. Basically, these people want to be the center of attention and will mutilate thier own bodies to get to the center of attention.

As for Triggerpuller- look, more than one person on this board has tried- very eloquently I might add- that this is a place for learning, not showing how big of a pompus, egotistical asshole you are. If you truly are this great Marine with all this time in service then, you sir, are a disgrace to the Marine Corps based on your attitude and comments in this thread alone. Take yourself and all your unintelligent and tactless friends someplace else.

James- you are indeed a model Marine (at least here on the boards) and a shining example of what a Marine should be- informative and knowledgable but not an arrogent, self-righteous child. It's Marines like you which make me want to join up _despite_ the misconduct of some "Marines".

[TriggerPuller]

Fallenasshole, You and all your little wannabe armchair warriors havent got one clue what it takes and the sacrifices one makes to be a Marine. Take your little whining sensitive ass over to the girl scouts if you want someone to be "nice" to you!!! Waaa Waaa waaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Little beatch. You little girls have fun but this Marine has got work to do, I aint got time to straighten you all out. Welcome to the real Military world!!!!

TP

[Ratamacue]

This isn't the real military world. This is an internet forum made for people to socialize and learn.

[Dmitri]

This is pretty funny! Looking at your quote that you always have below your messages, Ratamacue, seems like you admire this rough kind of attitude portrayed by the people like Triggerpuller.

"I want that goddamn four-hundred yards. If I f***ing die because you make me crawl four-hundred lousy f***ing yards closer to a goddamn raghead armored brigade, well, f***; well, f*** me, I'm not crawling four-hundred yards closer, you are going to **** me a scope that hits at two grand!"

Except now all of a sudden when this attitude is actually applied to you, you are all against it. What if this "anonymous recon marine" said this quote to you, asking you to **** out an accurate scope, would you still admire it?
The thing is, a lot of people in the military are very agressive, and it is not something that you can just switch on or off when you need it.

[Ratamacue]

I put that quote there because I found it funny. Not because I admire the attitude. Not at all, I found it funny how worked up the guy got about a rifle scope.

[Salty Dog]

Fallenasshole, You and all your little wannabe armchair warriors havent got one clue what it takes and the sacrifices one makes to be a Marine. Take your little whining sensitive ass over to the girl scouts if you want someone to be "nice" to you!!! Waaa Waaa waaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Little beatch. You little girls have fun but this Marine has got work to do, I aint got time to straighten you all out. Welcome to the real Military world!!!!

TP

modified FMJ quote- "i am gunnery sergeant trigger puller, your senior drill instructor. from now on you will speak only when spoken to and the first and last words out of your filthy sewers will be sir, do you maggots understand that?......goodnight ladies.....welcome to militaryphotos.net!"

[Salty Dog]

I put that quote there because I found it funny. Not because I admire the attitude. Not at all, I found it funny how worked up the guy got about a rifle scope.

it is a funny quote from "Jarhead" but i READ that...so naturally everything in it means nothing. :oops:

[?]

..

[Dmitri]

Ok, sorry, but what I am trying to say is that you WILL face attitudes like that in the military, and as you will go to the more high-speed, low-drag units, more than likely they will just become harder.

[Ratamacue]

Oh I perfectly understand that. The issue is that this isn't a high-speed unit, this is just an internet forum. That's all I'm saying.

[Salty Dog]

I know Trigger Puller dosn't need my help but I would like to add to this.


You all should heed and learn to what triggerpuller says to you, this man has got REAL TRUE expirence under his belt. What he says to you is what you don't want to hear becuase some of you all are imamature and ignorant.

Trigger Puller (Sgt. Rock) might not consider me a friend :( , but I consider him a friend becuase he tought me something.

Ive learned alot from him becuase he and other marines kicked my ass becuase I mistakenly said some wrong things about them. I took his and other peoples advice and just listened and learnded to what those BTDT's said. He and all of the BTDT's take there jobs seriuosly, when you say **** that you don't know what your talking about or you question there professionalism, your going to pay a price.

So to all you wannabe's and gonnabe's STFU and listen to him.

V/R FreindofSgt.ROCK

so...essentially you became his bitch? p-)

[Haiw]

Geez...I never knew acting like an asshole could get you fans...

[Dmitri]

Cool, just thought I'll let you know since you are planning to enlist :P

[James]

James- you are indeed a model Marine (at least here on the boards) and a shining example of what a Marine should be- informative and knowledgable but not an arrogent, self-righteous child. It's Marines like you which make me want to join up _despite_ the misconduct of some "Marines".


Thanks. I will tell you that when I was a young grunt I was quite the condescending bastard to civilians, non-USMC military personnel, and even marines who were not in the infantry. I wondered why they even bothered joining the Marines. That was when I was a Pfc... As I got a little bit older, I just got over myself, I guess. I left active duty when I was 23. I am 30 now. That is why so many of my post on relevant topics include the phrases "When I was in..." and "...but I don't know how things are now."

A number of people have mentioned the fact that you will meet some very aggressive poeple if you join the military. That is very true, especially in the combat arms. Many of them are very smart, too. I am always irritated when I hear someone refer to a "dumb grunt". They are not dumb at all, usually just a little rough around the edges. ;)

Anyway, for you that are planning on enlisting, here's my .02... pay attention to what is going on. Learn all you can. Ears open, mouth shut, if you don't have anything of substance to contribute. Get used to personalities like TriggerPuller. With what little exposure I've had to him (just this website), he seems like a good marine.

[maw]

i don't want get inducted into the sgt.rock ass beatch club but you guys are a freakin riot. TP is just giving you some interesting insight into his world, his way of dealing with issues and you guys are gagging. the marine corp does not place heavy emphasis on sensitivity training. you can't ask him to be someone he's not. yes this is the internet. but on the other hand he is a marine and this is a military content forum, so what are you expecting? mother teresa? i personally despise the current trend that is attempting to make our military more pc. who would you rather have defending our freedom and lives? bloodnut the impaler or pee wee herman? i read through the thread and it looks to me like he toned it down a couple of notches for y'all and you're still clucking like a bunch of hens. if you value his continuing contributions on this forum i suggest you let it go and allow him to be himself.
having said that, maybe it's a Marine thing. i saw what Deut wrote about the "A" type thing. however, i've had the pleasure of meeting a bunch of high speed types both informally and otherwise (if anyone needs to know details pm me) and they're all pretty low key yet intense and intelligent individuals. an old buddy (ranger) always spoke highly of recon and force guys but he commented that at the time the Marine Corp wasn't for him because it didn't have a clear career path for meat eaters, unlike Army or NSW sf. things may have changed, i'm just chiming in.

[carpandean]

TP is just giving you some interesting insight into his world, his way of dealing with issues
The problem I have is this thread isn't "TP's ways of dealing with things" or "Is Ratamacue a future marine or a pussy", it's "Picture Request - Marine SOCOM Detachment (DET 1 )". There hasn't been a post or pic related to the thread in over four pages. So, everyone get over themselves, shut the f*ck up and get back on the subject.

[Salty Dog]

you're right. :oops:

[Beowulf]

i don't want get inducted into the sgt.rock ass beatch club but you guys are a freakin riot. TP is just giving you some interesting insight into his world, his way of dealing with issues and you guys are gagging. the marine corp does not place heavy emphasis on sensitivity training. you can't ask him to be someone he's not. yes this is the internet. but on the other hand he is a marine and this is a military content forum, so what are you expecting? mother teresa? i personally despise the current trend that is attempting to make our military more pc. who would you rather have defending our freedom and lives? bloodnut the impaler or pee wee herman? i read through the thread and it looks to me like he toned it down a couple of notches for y'all and you're still clucking like a bunch of hens. if you value his continuing contributions on this forum i suggest you let it go and allow him to be himself.
having said that, maybe it's a Marine thing. i saw what Deut wrote about the "A" type thing. however, i've had the pleasure of meeting a bunch of high speed types both informally and otherwise (if anyone needs to know details pm me) and they're all pretty low key yet intense and intelligent individuals. an old buddy (ranger) always spoke highly of recon and force guys but he commented that at the time the Marine Corp wasn't for him because it didn't have a clear career path for meat eaters, unlike Army or NSW sf. things may have changed, i'm just chiming in.

good post, and this:
bloodnut the impaler Freaking Classic!! woot

[carpandean]

good post
Yeah, for here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6090
Maybe now we can get back on track. woot

[TriggerPuller]

I came over here originally to check out a thread on LeMas ammo,of which a former SEAL friend of mine used to take out an Iraqi soldier with. Then I found a thread about MarDet-1 asking for pictures. That just set me off right off the bat. Yes this is Mpotos.net but not everything we do in the military is for public consumption. It seems like every young dude wnats to see pictures of HSLD men.Why? I dont get it. how does this relate to you ar you life. It's like you are trying to live vicariously through pictures. It is great to have interests and at least you are not out doing drugs,but posting bad info on operations has just become a very bad trend on the internet. Im not here to hold your hand and will damn sure tell you how I feel about this either here or to your face no matter who you are.
If you take the time to read the post and not just jump on the bandwagon I told Rat to STFU(big deal) because he was getting argumentative with another Marine. I didnt call him names but he felt it appropriate to call me an "raging asshole" in his very next post. You wanna go there with me then you are talking to the wrong dude. You are damn right Iam gonna call him out,didnt know he was 15 at the time either, I guaran****ingtee that he would not call me this to my face. Ive been doing this **** for over 18 years you wanna learn fine, if not be careful what you say or you will get your ass flamed if your info is wrong. I dont live in a friendly world,where Iam at men settle their differences in person with knuckles,we dont talk it out. Nothing wrong with a little ass beating every once in a while LOL.! FYI you fellas missed a great fight at McP's saturday night,this is reality for us not Navy SEALs Socom game. And marine Dep boy you better watch where you tread with me here son, Iam beginning to have a serious dislike for you!!!!!!!!!!! you wanna ask a question I will answer it but dont ask something that starts to get into OPSEC or you wont like what I have to say to you. Have a wonderful Marine Corps day!!

TP

[Duke]

...BTW Iam the little guy(6'5" 250 lbs) full of tattoos you cant miss me...!
250 lbs??? 250 lbs excedes both the USMC height/weight restrictions and the static/MFF weight limitation of 240 lbs. Meaning beyond the 240 lbs mark, the jumper seriously compromises all airborne gear. Clarify.

[Apogee]

Good to see you back in the land of the living Duke.

[TriggerPuller]

...BTW Iam the little guy(6'5" 250 lbs) full of tattoos you cant miss me...!
250 lbs??? 250 lbs excedes both the USMC height/weight restrictions and the static/MFF weight limitation of 240 lbs. Meaning beyond the 240 lbs mark, the jumper seriously compromises all airborne gear. Clarify. I guess I didnt eat that week at JFKSWC.LOL

TP

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

**** TP your a big dude, whats your advice for us skinny white kids like me to get into shape?
Thankz

[Ratamacue]

Hey Va_Dinger, I found a picture of the ICQB pistol that DET1 adopted.

http://www.specwargear.com/images/weapon-ICQB%20pistol-1.jpg

[TriggerPuller]

**** TP your a big dude, whats your advice for us skinny white kids like me to get into shape?
ThankzEat,Sleep,heavy weights low reps and consistency.
BTW Duke I know quite a few guys who exceed the weight limitations,was with a buddy of mine Saturday night who is with ST3 and he exceeds this standard by more than a longshot,and yes he is still operational.

TP

[JMooch]

"250 lbs??? 250 lbs excedes both the USMC height/weight restrictions and the static/MFF weight limitation of 240 lbs. Meaning beyond the 240 lbs mark, the jumper seriously compromises all airborne gear. Clarify."

USMC guidelines allow for exceeding height/weight limits as long as the Marine is below a certain body fat percentage. I believe this extends to those in jump billets, but I'm not in one so I don't know.
As TP said,
Have a wonderful Marine Corps day!
S/F
Mooch
PS I don't get into telling people when they are wrong about the Marine Corps. Sometimes it makes for a fine misinformation campaign!

[TriggerPuller]

SSGT Mooch, PM on the way. later bro

TP

[Salty Dog]

And marine Dep boy you better watch where you tread with me here son, Iam beginning to have a serious dislike for you!!!!!!!!!!! you wanna ask a question I will answer it but dont ask something that starts to get into OPSEC or you wont like what I have to say to you.

are you talking to me, or usmarinedep?

if you hate me, thats fine.....honestly, i'm an ass.
but in the future, i will try to keep my mouth shut, and soak in what ever information you give, like a sponge, eager to learn, thank you for setting me straight, TriggerPuller. have a wonderful marine corps day!

[navylt]

Hey Va_Dinger, I found a picture of the ICQB pistol that DET1 adopted.

http://www.specwargear.com/images/weapon-ICQB%20pistol-1.jpg

DET-1 uses Kimbers now.

I haven't received any photos to post yet. I'll keep asking.

[JF45]

Hey Va_Dinger, I found a picture of the ICQB pistol that DET1 adopted.

http://www.specwargear.com/images/weapon-ICQB%20pistol-1.jpg

DET-1 uses Kimbers now.

I haven't received any photos to post yet. I'll keep asking.
If I recall correctly, the grips will be replaced by G-10 Gunner Grips in Coyote Brown, and the grip safety by an E. Brown one with Memory bump.

There's a few more pics of it here:
http://www.rogersprecision.com/id15.html
which is where that pic came from.

[Ratamacue]

Navylt, I'm pretty sure that one is a Kimber.

[carpandean]

Navylt, I'm pretty sure that one is a Kimber.
http://www.rogersprecision.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/det1number.jpg
Yup.

[TriggerPuller]

And marine Dep boy you better watch where you tread with me here son, Iam beginning to have a serious dislike for you!!!!!!!!!!! you wanna ask a question I will answer it but dont ask something that starts to get into OPSEC or you wont like what I have to say to you.

are you talking to me, or usmarinedep?

if you hate me, thats fine.....honestly, i'm an ass.
but in the future, i will try to keep my mouth shut, and soak in what ever information you give, like a sponge, eager to learn, thank you for setting me straight, TriggerPuller. have a wonderful marine corps day! Yes you!!!!!

TP

[Salty Dog]

well as i said, i am willing to shut my naive mouth and take in the plethora of information that you bring to this website. thank you sgt. rock.

[TriggerPuller]

well as i said, i am willing to shut my naive mouth and take in the plethora of information that you bring to this website. thank you sgt. rock. It's TriggerPuller!! LOL

TP

[Salty Dog]

sir, yes sir!

[Roger Rabbit]

shout that like you gotta pair rofl

[TriggerPuller]

shout that like you gotta pair roflIt's "sound off" like you gotta pair!!!

TP

[Roger Rabbit]

Its been a while since i last watched Full Metal Jacket so i apologise for my mistake.

Have you read a book called "The March Up: Taking Baghdad with the 1st Marine Division by Ray Smith, Bing West"?

Just curious, if you have then any views/thoughts on it?

[TriggerPuller]

Its been a while since i last watched Full Metal Jacket so i apologise for my mistake.

Have you read a book called "The March Up: Taking Baghdad with the 1st Marine Division by Ray Smith, Bing West"?

Just curious, if you have then any views/thoughts on it? Who is the **** bird communist twinlke toed cocksucker who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody huh? Fine I will Pt you all til you ****ing die. I will PT you til your assholes are sucking buttermilk!!!!!
No havent read it but I know Ray Smith

TP

[Ratamacue]

I've been meaning to pick that book up. I read a novel by Bing West and liked it alot. I believe he was in Force Recon during Vietnam.

[TriggerPuller]

I've been meaning to pick that book up. I read a novel by Bing West and liked it alot. I believe he was in Force Recon during Vietnam. Ill look him up in the FRA.

TP

[Roger Rabbit]

In the book it says that Bing West's son is a Captain in Force Recon. Theres also a photo of the two of them.

Thats all i know about that.

[navylt]

Navylt, I'm pretty sure that one is a Kimber.
http://www.rogersprecision.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/det1number.jpg
Yup.

Well, there you have it. I didn't get to see any of their Kimber firearms during my visit, but was told that is what they use. I was looking at their Wilson Combat Magazine clips at the time.

[Salty Dog]

I've been meaning to pick that book up. I read a novel by Bing West and liked it alot. I believe he was in Force Recon during Vietnam. Ill look him up in the FRA.

TP

sir, excuse my ignorance, but what is the FRA, sir?

[96B]

Force Recon Association

[RAT]

OK!!! I am the only RAT here!!!! :bash:

TP (HAHAH I was thinking Toliet Paper.. OK Tigger Puller) What ROCK was taken??? HAHAHA

As for the 240 6'5 What JM course did you go to? Height was not a problem and weight depends on ruck size... So what JM course did you go to??? If you have Speed in your name some where I will shut up...

As for the rest that want to know about DET-1 and the workings...it is OPSEC.

If you don't know what the FRA is then you don't need to worry about being in Recon.

For the guy who made it through Boot Camp AS A FAG( NOT A FORMER ACTION GUY)... 99.9999999% of everyone makes it through Boot Camp. Boot is the easy part.

The book "JARHEAD" I don't agree with. Don't know the Marine... At this point in life I don't care to know him.. Book IMO was a POS... I voted with my money.. I did not by the book. Just read a bit of it at the store told the person next to me that I thought it was a POS. Showed him my coin he put it down as well.. (To include Robin Moore)...

Anyway... I'll let ROCK deal with everyone here. I'll just be lurking from the Mid East....

RAT OUT!!!

[wm311]

Rock,

Showing the love...I told you to stay away from here bro....

I thought with the "paid" lunches at work, you were doing okay.....

Maybe you should have hit Mike.....



Just ask any friends that I may have left, Iam not a nice guy!

C'mon now...your nicer then me!!!!!

[bikewrench]

IMO is a good book as far as what it purports to be. Pretty much strictly 1 MEF is covered. Very little info on anything that they didn't observe themselves. In at least one instance maybe a little too much info on what they observed, (regarding a potential ROE violation).
BUT this is really good at illustrating the actual scheme of manouvre and covers the critical fights.

Kids be careful of those guys^^^! LOL!

[TriggerPuller]

Glad to see my friends finally showed up wm311,bikewrench and my best bud RAT how the hell yall doing? Johnny boy cant believe you made it here! Miss ya bro see you in January!

TP

[Roger Rabbit]

about that ROE violation. I don't have the book on me so will have to check when i get it back in a couple of days.

I think i remember reading them saying that the guy who commited the violation wasnt actually a US Marine but was on an exchange program. Do units often allow exchange soldiers to take part in actual conflicts? Or have i got the stuff in the book confused?

[wm311]

You got a lot of posts bro, for the few days you've been on here....

Any military vets on here, or is the majority knowitall airsoft geeks?

[Roger Rabbit]

There some military vets hanging around. But mostly stupid know it all kids. I'm ashamed to say i niether of the two. I'm just a stupid know nothing young adult. But i look forward to a future career.

[USMarine3521]

im one of the stupid know-it-all DEPers :lol:

[Va_Dinger]

I came over here originally to check out a thread on LeMas ammo,of which a former SEAL friend of mine used to take out an Iraqi soldier with. Then I found a thread about MarDet-1 asking for pictures. That just set me off right off the bat. Yes this is Mpotos.net but not everything we do in the military is for public consumption.

Some of you OPSEC commandos absolutely kill me. Have you happened to check out the December issue of SWAT magazine? It has a six ( yes, 6 )page story on DET-1 and their Kimber ICQB pistol! The article was authored by the highly respected Pat Rogers. Pat is a 20 year Marine, Law enforcement SWAT officer and now a consultant + instructor. The article has 3 pictures of DET-1 operators with their equipment clearly shown. Faces blurred, but thats it. Hell, it even shows their unit patch! Now how secret can a unit be if they authorized a gun/tactical author to do a story on them and their equipment? I read the article and saw the pictures. I was just looking for any more DET-1 pictures that might be floating out on the internet. My advise is to let guys talk about what interests them and leave a units OPSEC for the real operators to worry about. This website has more than enough bull**** posers with SEAL "friends"!

[wm311]

VA_Dinger sucker....

Your an idiot, and a ****tard to boot. The guy you are talking about is a former Marine Recon guy.....Me, I was an Army Ranger, and the business we are in, you work around a lot of ex-SEALS.

So ****off!

Why should units post their pics on the net so some little jagoff like you can masturbate at them for your next airsoft rally? Your a brit, right? SAS has been controlling pics of themselves since they were FORMED.

Just because a magazine did an article doesn't give you the right to ask for pics of a unit and then cry when you don't get them.

Dumbass.....

[Jack Mehoff]

wm311,

Learn to ignore Va_Dinger like i did :D

Oh yeah, welcome to the forum

[wm311]

Thanks for the welcome.

Sorry, I have a personal problem, I can't ignore loudmouths.......You guys can ask TriggerPuller what happened to the last loudmouth that wouldn't shut up around me.......

[Ratamacue]

Did you curse them out online? The horror!

[wm311]

No, I didn't...glad to see another knowitall never done nothing like you here tho......

Go on socnet and do a search for "GIC".

[Ratamacue]

Just messing around dude. Relax.

And no, I'm not a knowitall, I'm just a pathetic 15 year old that doesn't matter any because I'm not allowed to serve yet.

[Va_Dinger]

wm311, nothing is more pitiful than someone who will type something on a keyboard that he would not say to a persons face. I also noticed that you weren't smart enough to understand the point of my post. SO I'LL SAY IT REAL SLOOOOOOW. DET-1 IS ALREADY AUTHORIZING MAGAZINE ARTICLES, WITH PICTURES!. IF they feel its OK to allow authorized magazine articles, thats good enough for me. I was simply asking for any other pictures that might have been released. Thats it plain and simple.

Jack Mehoff, aren't you grounded for wearing your Ebay "Combat Infantry Badge". I noticed you failed to reply when I asked for details.

Thats whats wrong with this forum, way too many assholes who think being rude gets them respect. Maybe you just get off pushing around a bunch of 15 year olds.

[Jack Mehoff]

Van Dinger,

= :D


http://www.nastyburger.com/a10.jpg

[RAT]

SO I'LL SAY IT REAL SLOOOOOOW. DET-1 IS ALREADY AUTHORIZING MAGAZINE ARTICLES, WITH PICTURES!. IF they feel its OK to allow authorized magazine articles, thats good enough for me. I was simply asking for any other pictures that might have been released. .

Where you ever in the service???? Equipment is not OPSEC. Personel and tactics are. :fork: Saying that, just because you see pictures of Marines with equipment does not mean that is the equipment being used nor is it the Unit they are talking about.

NO... I say again NO!!!! PAT RODGERS in the FRA data bank. I have never heard of him. SOTB (Andy P) has never heard of him.(Between Rock, SOTB, and Myself that should cover from 1970 to present.)

I am sending out a mass e-mail to the Bro's to see if anyone knows him.

Let this be a lesson. Just because you know how to teach shooting and get to write an article does not mean you were in that UNIT.


Thats whats wrong with this forum, way too many assholes who think being rude gets them respect. Maybe you just get off pushing around a bunch of 15 year olds.

Well I like to think of myself as a HUGE ASSHOLE.... :D As for pushing around 15yr old punks... to me there is not a lont of difference between 15 and 18. Where I am right now, 13 is just as capiable of shooting an AK (Has been proven) as an 18yr old. So if you want to play....

BIG BOYS GAMES / BIG BOY RULES. One way to win this game put your ass on the line and DIE... Welcome to our world.

RAT OUT!!!

[Deuterium]

PAT RODGERS in the FRA data bank. I have never heard of him. SOTB (Andy P) has never heard of him.(Between Rock, SOTB, and Myself that should cover from 1970 to present.)


Not to enter the fracus but Pat is the REAL DEAL. Google his name with "gunsite" one of Americas premier training sites and see what comes up. I've had the pleasure to be instructed by Pat. He is a credit to the Marine Corps, LE, and a super instructor.

And its Pat ROGERS not Rodgers.

Love ya papapapapPat

[hank]

finally the voice of reason is back - maybe now we can move on in this topic to something relevant.

maybe from now on before we start yelling at each other we can at least check spelling - jeez

thanks deut

hank

[maw]

just to chime in, pat is most definately the real deal. he runs a very well thought of carbine class at gunsite occasionally, he's very informative and always willing to share his knowledge. he posted here a couple of times in the early days and got dismissed by some of the folks that didn't know him (ironically, i understand that he holds distain for this site due to opsec concerns). if you want to ping him, he's the moderator for the marine force recon forum over on tacticalforums.com. having said that, there is a formal statement requesting NO marsoc/det questions over there.

[wm311]

wm311, nothing is more pitiful than someone who will type something on a keyboard that he would not say to a persons face.

Dinger sucker, your right....And I know for damn sure that you wouldn't be talking any smack to my face. Were you ever in ANY military? Then STFU!

[Va_Dinger]

Dinger sucker, your right....And I know for damn sure that you wouldn't be talking any smack to my face.

Keep TYPING tough guy! You are a bad ass with that KEYBOARD. I noticed you have nothing meaningful to add, just obscentities and worthless tough guy talk.

[SamHamam]

Courtesy of the Marine Corps Times


Marines to train with SEALs
December 17, 2002

Marine Corps to activate special operations force


By Christian Lowe
Times staff writer

A highly anticipated Marine Corps special operations force has been established and will join the elite world of U.S. Special Operations Command in October after a fast-paced training cycle expected to begin this summer, Marine Corps Times has learned.

The 86-man unit of hand-picked Marines and sailors from the Force Reconnaissance, intelligence and fire-support communities will begin training at Camp Pendleton, Calif., in June before transferring to nearby Coronado Naval Base for six months of training with Navy SEAL commandos. Once that training is complete in April 2004, the unit will be ready for real-world

[molsen]

Courtesy of the Marine Corps Times


Marines to train with SEALs
December 17, 2002

Marine Corps to activate special operations force


By Christian Lowe
Times staff writer

A highly anticipated Marine Corps special operations force has been established and will join the elite world of U.S. Special Operations Command in October after a fast-paced training cycle expected to begin this summer, Marine Corps Times has learned.

The 86-man unit of hand-picked Marines and sailors from the Force Reconnaissance, intelligence and fire-support communities will begin training at Camp Pendleton, Calif., in June before transferring to nearby Coronado Naval Base for six months of training with Navy SEAL commandos. Once that training is complete in April 2004, the unit will be ready for real-world
What's your point? that is dated almost a year ago.

[TriggerPuller]

Yes Pat Rogers is well respected as an instructor and writer and yes he is the moderator for Tacticalforums.com. But no Pat was not FR he was a SOTG instructor.
Va-dinger FYI wm311 is the real deal and I "did" see him beat the crap out of someone last weekend and it wasnt pretty. As for the "real" RAT well let me say that I consider hime one of my best if not my best friend and this dude has more knowledge about FR and the players involved than anyone I know because he was one for ALL of his Marine Corps career,well except SOTB right RAT?.

TP aka ROCK

[Deuterium]

Someone had already put up a Pat article on this site

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6302

Here is the the link Maw posts.... http://www.defensive-edge.net/page1.html

Pat is the guy in the bottom picture.

[Argyll]

Damn TP you got friends! I had you as the guy who skulked in the corner waiting for the **** to go down!! ;)

Have a good one mate!
Nice to see you around again Deiut

[RAT]

Rock,

Andy was in FR all the time too.

I know of Pat Rogers. I have never worked with him. He was with SOTG as Rock had said. I am not knocking his credibilty. From what I understand heck of an instructor. I am just saying just cause it is in pictures does not mean it is the same stuff that is being used at that unit.

RAT OUT!!!

[wm311]

I was always under the impression that Pat Rogers was a Force or Bn. Recon Marine......you guys are saying he wasn't?

What's SOTG? Special Operations Training Group?

[TriggerPuller]

Rock,

Andy was in FR all the time too.

I know of Pat Rogers. I have never worked with him. He was with SOTG as Rock had said. I am not knocking his credibilty. From what I understand heck of an instructor. I am just saying just cause it is in pictures does not mean it is the same stuff that is being used at that unit.

RAT OUT!!! You lucky basatrds!!!
wm311,yes that is what we are saying and yes to SOTG acronym!

ROCK, ummm I mean TP!

P.S. Argyll these two guys are some of the few that I have left,but Iam glad they are on my side.

[wm311]

Gotcha Bro.

There's going to be an LA area Ranger hookup...check the Ranger section on Socnet. You down for going?

Jim

[before dawn rises]

ive got a headache from the attitude displayed by some individuals on this forum. whether or not someone agrees with triggerpuller's approach is irrelevent!!!!! The lack of respect for BTDT's that seems to be prevelant here is infuriating even to me and i haven't even enlisted yet. Gentlemen, it is time to get off of your own kocks! If you want to really learn something start with reading the Bible, then try and apply. Render therfore to all their dues:tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Rom 13:7 Humble yoursevles in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. Jam 4:10

[Haiw]

Oh my god...just what we need; some uber-religious bull**** :roll:.

BTW I should say that the opinion of a certain morron listening to the name of Va_Dinger is not representative of the opinions of all people on this forum. He's just a ****ing morron that wandered off the airsoft part of the forums.

[Seoulstriker]

ive got a headache from the attitude displayed by some individuals on this forum. whether or not someone agrees with triggerpuller's approach is irrelevent!!!!! The lack of respect for BTDT's that seems to be prevelant here is infuriating even to me and i haven't even enlisted yet. Gentlemen, it is time to get off of your own kocks! If you want to really learn something start with reading the Bible, then try and apply. Render therfore to all their dues:tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Rom 13:7 Humble yoursevles in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. Jam 4:10

:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Tane Angle]

Thanks to Deuterium and hank for the positive comments; same to any others I missed. Sorry about losing track of this thread, folks. So what gives, people?

Have a good one, just some thoughts...

[TRACER_BULLET]

Oh my god...just what we need; some uber-religious bull**** :roll:.



hahahaha that about sums up how i feel :roll:

[tthiel]

That is in fact a major reason why they joined SOCOM.

probably too also get some of that SOCOM budget. :D[/quote]

[tthiel]

Doesn't mean they don't though. It's just not a requirement.




The standards for DET1 say that you must go through BUD/S. Remember, the Marines are part of the Navy, and different services going to the schools of different services very often. For example, all people training in static-line parachuting go to the Army Airborne School.

Remember, you are NOT a Marine, while I am. I have info from the inside that you don't. Why would a Marine assigned to Det1 need to go to BUD/s to become a combat diver if he already is one?!?! That's just one example of why you don't know what you're talking about. I know a couple guys in the Det. Hell, I used to be assigned to the compound that they're using right now!

yeah that too doesn't really make sense to me for a Recon Marine to go to BUD/S

[JiJoMacLE45]

Can't believe I missed out on this one. Nice to see Duke back in gen-pop.

[thatguy]

...BTW Iam the little guy(6'5" 250 lbs) full of tattoos you cant miss me...!
250 lbs??? 250 lbs excedes both the USMC height/weight restrictions and the static/MFF weight limitation of 240 lbs. Meaning beyond the 240 lbs mark, the jumper seriously compromises all airborne gear. Clarify.

So Duke, just what was it that you do in the Marine Corps?

[DE_Six]

Wow, just discovered the thread. Is the SOCNET alumni moving in? I thought they hated that kind of boards!

[TriggerPuller]

Wow, just discovered the thread. Is the SOCNET alumni moving in? I thought they hated that kind of boards! You mess with one Socnet alumnus then you mess with us all!!! Band of Brothers you might say!

TP

[DE_Six]

You mess with one Socnet alumnus then you mess with us all!!! Band of Brothers you might say!

TP

Mess with you? No sir! Especially knowing the typical "SOCNET fire mission"-type retaliatory strike that it'd trigger!

Just a little surprised since milphot.net is not a favorite over at SOCNET.

Welcome to the board!