Where is America's priority?

[Skaman]

http://costofwar.com/

compare these figures to other expenditures that have taken a 'back seat'

not to mention these figures
-http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/index.html

-http://iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

[Roger Rabbit]

Give it a break. We all know your view on things, you havent manage to change anybodies opinions and to be honest by the looks of the reactions you get everytime you post this crap then nobody cares. So give it a rest and stick to the military side of stuff and leave off the political.

[Skaman]

You dont care that your gluttonus military spending is amounting to nothing while the rest of your nation is left in its financial dust?

[Shake n Bake]

CAN'T .....STOP ......KNEES ......FROM .....JERKING

[Trigger]

:roll: More wisdom from the forum Crash Test Dummy. :roll:

[Skaman]

SO trigger, you dont care that the rest of the nation goes un checked while excessive military spendings go rampent in the ill-fated effort of 'protecting' freedom?

[Trigger]

Nope.
Don't care.
Hit the road.

[Roger Rabbit]

You dont care that your gluttonus military spending is amounting to nothing while the rest of your nation is left in its financial dust?
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thats funny that really is funny, you made my day there. I am British and to be honest the last time there was any gluttonus military spending well you'd probably have to go and look at King John trying to regain his french territories and constantly hiring mercenaries to do so and in the process bankrupting more than a few families and almost the whole country. Oh and this was almost 800 years ago. Since then the British government gets the military to do far too much with far too little.

[NcDeuce]

:roll: More wisdom from the forum Crash Test Dummy. :roll:

rofl


Since then the British government gets the military to do far too much with far too little.

Doing quite well though considering its limits.

[Skaman]

Well Rupert, since I dont know everyones nationality by heart, I was not pointing this at this Brits, rather the American financial situation.


What good is a nation with poor health care, poor social spending, poverty, and lack of education? All the money that could go to correcting these problems in-turn goes into the military so the USA can **** kick some third world country half way acorss the globe in the name of freedom. What has it solved? Not a hell of a alot. More people are dying a month then when Sadam was in power. Not to mention the Medical system is worse, as is stablity and law.

You know what happaned to the last country that spent too much of its fiscal financial budget on Military? - I will say one word 'Russia'

[2Sheds_Jackson]

You dont care that your gluttonus military spending is amounting to nothing while the rest of your nation is left in its financial dust?

Where do you suppose all that gluttonus military spending goes to? They dump it into the ground? Apart from paying obvious things like military salaries, it pays hundreds of thousands of defense workers, stock holders. Taxes are paid on it. Profits are made, jobs are created. Investments occur. Technology is generated.

Could it be spent elsewhere? Sure. We've dumped some 3 Trillion dollars on the "great society" - social programs designed to elevate the downtrodden in the US and they are for the most part no better off. In fact many are totally depenent upon the govenrment teat for nearly everything. That is money down the drain.

We could give every school kid a Ferarri. We already spend more on education, per child, than most nations. Yet our test scores don't keep pace with spending. It's got nothing to do with the money you dump onto social programs.

I consider defense spending to be a wise investment - doubly so because it could well prevent additional costly terrorist attacks. It's arguable that the money could be "better" spent elsewhere, but it's a fallacy to assert that the money is simply flushed down the toilet. Nobody is going hungry here. Hell, we have to run ads on TV just to GET people to use the various food assistance programs out there. There's a great way to spend money - give a "critically needed" social program some money for TV advertising so they can try to drum up some business. :cantbeli:

[wyrm_142]

If we weren't spending this money on the Military - we wouldn't be spending it anyways. Republican leadership has always been on the limit the amount of Government spending on Social costs.

Our schools wouldn't be in such crap shape if it wasn't for federal requirments that aren't funded (read left to local taxes to pay for).

Does this country have issues with debt spending, Yes. Should we try to limit that? I feel so - but that either requires spending more (on the same number of funding items), or cutting spending (less items at the same rate, or low rate for all current items).

On the topic of Military spending - doubt the numbers (I do and it pays my rent). However, if you assume the Government has been fudging those numbers the same amount (over late history) you'll see that as a % of GDP, the overall amount is much lower than other times in the last 100 years. Overall spending on National Defense is current running at 17.8% of the total budget (or 3.5% of the GDP).

http://www.csbaonline.org/3Defense_Budget/2Tables_Graphs/6Federal_Budget_Request/Graph4.pdf

http://www.csbaonline.org/3Defense_Budget/2Tables_Graphs/6Federal_Budget_Request/Table9.pdf

Compare that with other countries Defense V. GDP:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html

cheers,

wyrm

[Skaman]

American sub-par literacy and education rates, homelessness, unemployment, drug-abuse, murder+crime, expensive health care, impovrished homes, ghettoes. These are all things that could be correcting to benefit and raise the social standing of the USA. Instead the USA attempts to stablize a nation that will always be in a chaos, rife with social, and economic fragmentation, not to mention destruction and death.

[Red]

Sometimes civillians annoy me
Hint hint

[wyrm_142]

Yup - America always has the WORST unemployement of G7 nations.

Mind you these numbers are from the CIA fact book - but look at national stats and you'll see they are within a .1 or .2 (plus I don't have excel to gin up a chart myself).

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2129rank.html

UK - 5.2 %
Japan - 5.4%
US - 5.8%
Oz - 6.3%
Belgium - 7.2%
Canada - 7.6%
France & Italy - 9.1%
Germany - 9.8%

Hum - not so bad when you look at other nations...

[Skaman]

Sometimes civillians annoy me
Hint hint


Im not a civillian

[Skaman]

Yup - America always has the WORST unemployement of G7 nations.

Mind you these numbers are from the CIA fact book - but look at national stats and you'll see they are within a .1 or .2 (plus I don't have excel to gin up a chart myself).

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2129rank.html

UK - 5.2 %
Japan - 5.4%
US - 5.8%
Oz - 6.3%
Belgium - 7.2%
Canada - 7.6%
France & Italy - 9.1%
Germany - 9.8%

Hum - not so bad when you look at other nations...

not the worst, but It could be better! Canada is spending money to correct this problem, as should the USA which should have a homeless rate about 1.5%, concerning the GDP of your nation.

[Red]

Sometimes civillians annoy me
Hint hint


Im not a civillian
i forgot,you are an advance scout from the planet Zog sent to spy on the defences of earth in light of the impending invasion of your species

[fisheyestudio]

Jesus himself said the following (and being God in flesh I put alot of Faith in His opinion...), "The poor will always be with you...".

Does this mean we do not try to help those in need...DOH!, of course not.

Does this mean that there will always be those, when given the freedom to choose, who will make poor choices...DOH!, of course!

I will not even elaborate on the fact that there is a real and active "enemy" whose whole mission is to "steal, kill, and destroy", and is always looking for someone to devour. Some people just choose to make STUPID decisions and pay a price for that in their life.

America, as it has been correctly pointed out, has spent an unimaginable amount of money to try and "fix" an un-fixable problem. Stupidity, laziness, and vice is something that no government can remove from an individuals behavior but we fight the fight just the same.

I cannot speak for any other country. But in the United States of American each and every person is FREE to succeed and also FREE to choose to fail. But never forget that in America there is help available to those who make bad choices. This help is sometimes from the governement but is also from individual citizens, and people of Faith.

Let me end with the truth I have found in my own 31 years of life experience. You can change the circumstances but only Jesus can change the person, and a change of person is the only real answer.

God bless America!

Jesus blessings!
chris holloman

[Red]

Yup - America always has the WORST unemployement of G7 nations.

Mind you these numbers are from the CIA fact book - but look at national stats and you'll see they are within a .1 or .2 (plus I don't have excel to gin up a chart myself).

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2129rank.html

UK - 5.2 %
Japan - 5.4%
US - 5.8%
Oz - 6.3%
Belgium - 7.2%
Canada - 7.6%
France & Italy - 9.1%
Germany - 9.8%

Hum - not so bad when you look at other nations...

not the worst, but It could be better! Canada is spending money to correct this problem, as should the USA which should have a homeless rate about 1.5%, concerning the GDP of your nation.
why do you want to force your views on everyone here.What kinda crack do you guys in canada smoke. :-*$

[Red]

Jesus himself said the following (and being God in flesh I put alot of Faith in His opinion...), "The poor will always be with you...".

Does this mean we do not try to help those in need...DOH!, of course not.

Does this mean that there will always be those, when given the freedom to choose, who will make poor choices...DOH!, of course!

I will not even elaborate on the fact that there is a real and active "enemy" whose whole mission is to "steal, kill, and destroy", and is always looking for someone to devour. Some people just choose to make STUPID decisions and pay a price for that in their life.

America, as it has been correctly pointed out, has spent an unimaginable amount of money to try and "fix" an un-fixable problem. Stupidity, laziness, and vice is something that no government can remove from an individuals behavior but we fight the fight just the same.

I cannot speak for any other country. But in the United States of American each and every person is FREE to succeed and also FREE to choose to fail. But never forget that in America there is help available to those who make bad choices. This help is sometimes from the governement but is also from individual citizens, and people of Faith.

Let me end with the truth I have found in my own 31 years of life experience. You can change the circumstances but only Jesus can change the person, and a change of person is the only real answer.

God bless America!

Jesus blessings!
chris holloman

blame the politicians for everything.It is the fault of the viruses called politicians

[Skaman]

good post fishey woot

[Red]

error

[Trigger]

This is the part where do-me-in-the-ass19, faced with irrefutable evidence which blatantly contradicts his ham-handed attempt at America bashing, starts calling people strange names and misspelling every other word. (more of that sub-par Canadian schooling I guess).

[Red]

duck19 why dont you just worry about canada and let americans worry about america.Canada has a lot of problems as it is.So why dont you just mind your business

[StarvingStudent47]

You dont care that your gluttonus military spending is amounting to nothing while the rest of your nation is left in its financial dust?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/spam.jpg

[Red]

You dont care that your gluttonus military spending is amounting to nothing while the rest of your nation is left in its financial dust?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/spam.jpg

buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Deuterium]

Ducy is right. Its just so horrible here in America. Why just today I had to run over three homeless children in my SUV just to get my kids to school. Those bastards!!!!

[2Sheds_Jackson]

American sub-par literacy and education rates, homelessness, unemployment, drug-abuse, murder+crime, expensive health care, impovrished homes, ghettoes. These are all things that could be correcting to benefit and raise the social standing of the USA. Instead the USA attempts to stablize a nation that will always be in a chaos, rife with social, and economic fragmentation, not to mention destruction and death.

If the US is such a hell-hole, why is the rest of the world beating down our doors to get in? We have massive immigration backlogs, not to mention tens of thousands sneaking in illegally. I'll tell you why - because if you want to, you can make it here.
Too many people get their perceptions of the US from our TV & movies. We are not the crime infested dung heap that the entertainment and news likes to project. All these supposed "problems" such as homelessness, education, healthcare (which is without question the best in the world) all have sprung up advocacy groups or -industries- around them. People make money by wringing their hands and crying - of course somebody will hand 'em a buck to go the hell away.
My suggestion is to rake the leaves off your own front lawn before telling us to rake ours. Your'e just jealous because of the shiny new Corvette C5 in our driveway. Plus our wife is really hot too.

[Red]

ducky-doo shed his feathers and ran away :backhand:

[usa320]

ALl id like to do is comment in regards to a few posts back.

If Canadian crack is anything like Canadian Beer, then they are smoking powerful ****.

[Roger Rabbit]

i just farted something rotten

[Red]

i just farted something rotten
Does it smell as bad as Ducy's breath?Turn you r ass around let me smell it

[Beowulf]

Nope.
Don't care.
Hit the road.
:D

[Vance]

American sub-par literacy
Literacy? Listen buddy, 15 and over can read and write....

Oh yeah, and it's the same as your perfect, well-balanced, peaceful God country.

[Beowulf]

I've said this to you before. If you really feel like trying to have a discussion then ease off the rhetoric and include some PROOF.


American sub-par literacy Prove it. and education rates, Prove it. homelessness, Prove it. unemployment, Prove it. drug-abuse, Prove it. murder+crime,Prove it. expensive health care, Prove it. impovrished homes, Prove it. ghettoes.Prove it. These are all things that could be correcting to benefit and raise the social standing of the USA.

These are all things that not only must you prove that we have, but that they are worse in the USA than in other countries. You know....if you wanna make a point or something.

Instead the USA attempts to stablize a nation that will always be in a chaos, rife with social, and economic fragmentation, not to mention destruction and death...........Oh man where were you when we needed you? I didn't know you could see into the future!!!!

What good is a nation with poor health care, poor social spending, poverty, and lack of education? All the money that could go to correcting these problems in-turn goes into the military so the USA can **** kick some third world country half way acorss the globe in the name of freedom. What has it solved? Not a hell of a alot. More people are dying a month then when Sadam was in power. P.I. Not to mention the Medical system is worse, P.I. as is stablity P.I. and law..........P.I.

You know what happaned to the last country that spent too much of its fiscal financial budget on Military? - I will say one word 'Russia'
Ahhhhahhahahahahhaha....so excessive military spending caused the fall of the Soviet Empire, okay great, I see you were also an economist for the Reagan administration.

Finally Duc, America is not a socialist country. We are a Capitalist one. If you failed to notice Fisheye's post (which you commended???) was outlining the inherent flaws in a sytem that denies the right to public property (read heavy social spending) To gain a greater understanding of why I don't like Socialistic forms of government.

Animal Farm By George Orwell (if you have trouble with this one there is an animated movie...)
The Soviet Tragedy: A History of Socialism in Russia
Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism
The Road to Serfdom
by F. A. Hayek

For extra credit: Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First.
And one more thing.
http://216.91.19.105/images/stopdroproll.gif

[Trigger]

Beowulf=> :slap: <=ducimus19

That's gonna leave a mark.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Less boring talk, more ****s.

[California Joe]

*lifting up shirt*

[Operation Ivy]

*Getting ****** p-)

[budanski]

American sub-par literacy
Canadian literacy has done wonders for you. :roll:

[Ratamacue]

Where is America's priority?

America's priority is global domination, of course. The US government would never give a **** about its citizens.

[Whistler]

Ya and Americans also hate puppies and like to eat them (although I'm sure you already know that ducimus).

[rokus2595]

America's priority is global domination, of course. The US government would never give a **** about its citizens.

Right on the money.....

[Deuterium]

I'm still waiting for the ****ies, one **** wasn't enough.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I'm still waiting for the ****ies, one **** wasn't enough.

After reading 3 pages, I'd say that we've got more than 2 ****s here.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here through Thursday folks....

[farmgirl]

I'm still waiting for the ****ies, one **** wasn't enough.

After reading 3 pages, I'd say that we've got more than 2 ****s here.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here through Thursday folks....


You guys crack me up. One would think that in a male dominated society... more people would think of using breasts as a peace keeping measure. Hmmm something to think about. :D

Beowulf... you could have also suggested that he read a little Jonathan Swift... nothing like a little satire to drive a point home. I especially enjoy A Modest Proposal (cliff's notes available upon request) Don't want to reteach my Brit Lit class here!

[Deuterium]

I'm still waiting for the ****ies, one **** wasn't enough.

After reading 3 pages, I'd say that we've got more than 2 ****s here.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here through Thursday folks....


You guys crack me up. One would think that in a male dominated society... more people would think of using breasts as a peace keeping measure. Hmmm something to think about. :D

Beowulf... you could have also suggested that he read a little Jonathan Swift... nothing like a little satire to drive a point home. I especially enjoy A Modest Proposal (cliff's notes available upon request) Don't want to reteach my Brit Lit class here!

Rats I was hoping YOU would at least get the pun.

[farmgirl]

I'm still waiting for the ****ies, one **** wasn't enough.

After reading 3 pages, I'd say that we've got more than 2 ****s here.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here through Thursday folks....


You guys crack me up. One would think that in a male dominated society... more people would think of using breasts as a peace keeping measure. Hmmm something to think about. :D

Beowulf... you could have also suggested that he read a little Jonathan Swift... nothing like a little satire to drive a point home. I especially enjoy A Modest Proposal (cliff's notes available upon request) Don't want to reteach my Brit Lit class here!

Rats I was hoping YOU would at least get the pun.



Oh... trust me... I got it.... :D

[Beowulf]

hahaha Swift...babies taste goood hmmmmmmmm ;)

edit: Brit lit's okay. I'm not a big fan of ****ens, I much prefer russian literature. For British stuff I prefer the poetry and of course plays.

[farmgirl]

hahaha Swift...babies taste goood hmmmmmmmm ;)

I knew you wouldn't let me down Beowulf!
Smart men turn me on. ;)

[budanski]

Smart men turn me on. ;)
I always make a passing grade on all my tests... even if they were blood tests, still.

[Beowulf]

Smart men turn me on.

:oops: uhhhhh (voice cracks......) I need an adult!

[farmgirl]

hahaha Swift...babies taste goood hmmmmmmmm ;)

edit: Brit lit's okay. I'm not a big fan of ****ens, I much prefer russian literature. For British stuff I prefer the poetry and of course plays.


I don't care for ****ens that much either. I'm with you. I like the poetry and some of the other selections much better. That's the beauty of writing the curriculum. We don't study what I don't like! :D The girls really enjoyed A Midsummer Night's Dream and of course the guys really liked Beowulf

[farmgirl]

Smart men turn me on.

:oops: uhhhhh (voice cracks......) I need an adult!

:lol: :lol: It's okay Beo.... you're perfectly safe!

[Haiw]

hahaha Swift...babies taste goood hmmmmmmmm ;)

edit: Brit lit's okay. I'm not a big fan of ****ens, I much prefer russian literature. For British stuff I prefer the poetry and of course plays.
call me a barbarian but the best work i had in 'old english literature' (so let's say, anything pre 1900) was the work you got your name from; Beowulf...only too bad all the alliteration in it kinda gets lost in the english translation...
in 20th century i'd say Tolkien is really an artist....Orwell is great too, tho you simply can't beat elves and shiny rings ;)

[budanski]

Beowulf gets all the chicks.

[Haiw]

****ens sucked....tho i liked one southpark episode where they told ****ens' 'Great Expectations' in 20 minutes :lol:

[California Joe]

It's cause I wasn't here.

*goes back to reading Byron, Shelley and Tennyson*

What?

[farmgirl]

hahaha Swift...babies taste goood hmmmmmmmm ;)

edit: Brit lit's okay. I'm not a big fan of ****ens, I much prefer russian literature. For British stuff I prefer the poetry and of course plays.
call me a barbarian but the best work i had in 'old english literature' (so let's say, anything pre 1900) was the work you got your name from; Beowulf...only too bad all the alliteration in it kinda gets lost in the english translation...
in 20th century i'd say Tolkien is really an artist....Orwell is great too, tho you simply can't beat elves and shiny rings ;)

Absolutely.... no self respecting Brit Lit teacher would overlook Beowulf. In fact, that's where most of the texts start. My kids loved it. I'll have to post a poem that is a highly condensed parody in the off topic area. Those of you who like Beowulf might enjoy it.

I guess I'll have to do that tomorrow... my only copy is on my computer at school. (I know you'll all be holding your breath waiting for that!)


and Budanski.... sometimes passing a blood test can be far more important than passing any other! :D

[farmgirl]

It's cause I wasn't here.

*goes back to reading Byron, Shelley and Tennyson*

What?

That made me laugh out loud Joe. :D

It seems that I have sort of unintentionally ;) hijacked this thread....

oops!
p-)

[budanski]

It's cause I wasn't here.


True. With a coif like yours, even guys like adam couldnt resist.

[Haiw]

It seems that I have sort of unintentionally ;) hijacked this thread....
don't be sorry...instead of the usual hijack that gets a normal topic into a useless flamewar this thread hijack actually got us from a flamewar to a more decent topic rofl

[California Joe]

"My hair is perfect."


Warren Zevon

[Skaman]

The USA is in a shady econmic position and has untold potenitel to better their nation, rather they ruin others in ill fated excuses of 'freedom'

The USA could correct their problems that plauge the nation, yet they beat up some third world country that dosent want help. Talk about forcing yourself upon someone.

As for the USA's murder rates, crime, ghettoes, homelessness.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/30/MNG263BHKR1.DTL

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15329

http://www.emptybottle.org/glass/2002/05/some_numbers.php

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aacrime2001.htm

http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/homeless/2000/msg00620.html

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_010200_blackghettos.htm


Rather than correct these problems, America moves on to other nations that dont EVEN want your HELP!!!! How can you justify this? The usa does not, nor should it be in a nation that does not want your help. One would think that a diverse internal market would allow sufficent money to go into fixing internal social fragmentation, yet this is not the case. Its truly sad that you can live with yourself knowing your fellow American suffers the misfortune of poverty and ilness while you 'patriotically' watch your nation tear apart a nation half way across the globe.

[Salty Dog]

jesus christ ducimus19, nobody cares!!!! :cantbeli:

[Deuterium]

Its truly sad that you can live with yourself knowing your fellow American suffers the misfortune of poverty and ilness while you 'patriotically' watch your nation tear apart a nation half way across the globe.


The same thing is happening in your country so how do you live with that?

[Skaman]

jesus christ ducimus19, nobody cares!!!! :cantbeli:

.....and its so god damb sad. WHY! WHY! Why would you allow this to go on in your own country? I suppose as long as you have your milphotos.net and kraft dinner you just dont gaive a ****? how pitifully unremorseful

[Deuterium]

jesus christ ducimus19, nobody cares!!!! :cantbeli:

.....and its so god damb sad. WHY! WHY! Why would you allow this to go on in your own country? I suppose as long as you have your milphotos.net and kraft dinner you just dont gaive a ****? how pitifully unremorseful

The same reason YOU allow it to go on in YOUR country.

[Deuterium]

Ducimus lives in LaLa land or Shangri-las. HIs country has:

No Poverty
No Crime
No Foreign affairs
No illiteracy
No un-carring folks
No political strife
No large corporations who make money selling goods overseas
No racism


How do I move to your country?

Obviously he is critical of the United States because his country is so perfect.

[Skaman]

Its truly sad that you can live with yourself knowing your fellow American suffers the misfortune of poverty and ilness while you 'patriotically' watch your nation tear apart a nation half way across the globe.


The same thing is happening in your country so how do you live with that?

Correction, we ARE NOT spending millions in some third world country ignoring our social issues on the home front. What you think I am an idiot or something? These problems are something Canada is dealing with, and rightly so. Canada's priories are in the right place.

A lot of our problems can’t even compare to the USA so the correlation is unjust.
While we both suffer from unemployment rates, your murder rates and gun control issues are off the scale. As civilians of the USA you should take an interest in fixing your internal problems as I do, rather you would spend millions **** kicking some third world nation that does not want your help. It sure doesn’t seem very logical to me....

[Ratamacue]

Remember boys and girls: 99% of people in the US lives in poverty without a job, and the remaining 1% is made up of evil rich corporate CEO's who run the government.

And remember boys and girls: Canada is perfect.

[Salty Dog]

Ducimus lives in LaLa land or Shangri-las. HIs country has:

No Poverty
No Crime
No Foreign affairs
No illiteracy
No un-carring folks
No political strife
No large corporations who make money selling goods overseas
No racism


How do I move to your country?


Obviously he is critical of the United States because his country is so perfect.

you forgot "No Obesity"

[Vance]

http://www.streetlevel.ca/

:cantbeli:

[Ratamacue]

Vance, don't post lies.

[Vance]

I can if I want!!!

http://www.nald.ca/fulltext/Brokword/page22.htm

http://www.communication.gc.ca/survey_sondage/icc-edc/descriptions/d03_e.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/9318/literacy.html

[Skaman]

Are you people intentionally stupid, do your purposefully limit yourself to only what you want to hear.

Canada is not perfect, we suffer
-unemployment
-homelessness
-crime
-some murder
-political scandals
-class fragmentation


Correcting these issues costs much of the federal tax dollar, and I am happy to know that my money goes to remedying these misfortunes and supporting our free national healthcare.


The USA is the exact opposite, instead of supporting their vast populous and its internal issues, the Bush Administration fills the public with ill-conceived ideas of a war on freedom and supports a liberation among a people that don’t want to be liberated.

[Vance]

http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/010602.asp

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/20/bush.homeless/

http://www.nationalhomeless.org/edannouncement.html

[Deuterium]

Its truly sad that you can live with yourself knowing your fellow American suffers the misfortune of poverty and ilness while you 'patriotically' watch your nation tear apart a nation half way across the globe.


The same thing is happening in your country so how do you live with that?

Correction, we ARE NOT spending millions in some third world country ignoring our social issues on the home front. What you think I am an idiot or something? These problems are something Canada is dealing with, and rightly so. Canada's priories are in the right place.

A lot of our problems can’t even compare to the USA so the correlation is unjust.
While we both suffer from unemployment rates, your murder rates and gun control issues are off the scale. As civilians of the USA you should take an interest in fixing your internal problems as I do, rather you would spend millions **** kicking some third world nation that does not want your help. It sure doesn’t seem very logical to me....

So what is the magic number or percentage when we get to be considered "taking care of our people"? You're making this up. Your unemployment rate is 7.6% and ours is 5.8%(CIA factbook). Does this mean you need to get your house in order? Are you taking care of your people? What you have done is simply state your opinion and nothing more. If you think that one percentage or another means X then great, that's your opinion. We live in a democracy(little d) here. If we become disatisfied we are pefectly capable of voting the bums out and making change. If you wonder why we haven't then the only true conclusion is that we are satisfied with the current state of affairs. Of course the elections are coming up so let's wait until November for the final word.

[Ratamacue]

And do you think that the US does nothing about domestic issues? Remember, even though Canada doesn't have the budget to help both itself and other countries doesn't mean that the US doesn't.

[Deuterium]

these misfortunes and supporting our free national healthcare.
If that was true we wouldn't have Canadians coming to our country for medical treatment. If your happy with your current state of medical care then so be it. If you compare our life expectancy and yours you won't find a HUGE difference (79 versus 77). So what does that tell us?

[Skaman]

If Canada was a sore nation in social turmoil the UN would not have rated it the best nation to live in, year after year. Though I believe this year it was infact Australia.

This basis is made on all the problems we are discussing that amalgamate and create general national isues.

Why is America not number 1? hmm, I wonder why.

It must be because the UN is biased. :roll:

[Ratamacue]

Who cares who the UN rates as number 1? Most people are very happy living in America. The vast majority is very happy living in America. I'm sure there are plenty of people displeased with living in Canada, just as there are many people displeased with living in the US.

[Vance]

If Canada was a sore nation in social turmoil the UN would not have rated it the best nation to live in, year after year. Though I believe this year it was infact Australia.

This basis is made on all the problems we are discussing that amalgamate and create general national isues.

Why is America not number 1? hmm, I wonder why.

It must be because the UN is biased. :roll:
Why not England? Why not France? Why not any European country?

[Vance]

Who cares who the UN rates as number 1? Most people are very happy living in America. The vast majority is very happy living in America. I'm sure there are plenty of people displeased with living in Canada, just as there are many people displeased with living in the US.
My Canadian freind hates Canada, and he loves the US. But that's just him.

[Skaman]

these misfortunes and supporting our free national healthcare.
If that was true we wouldn't have Canadians coming to our country for medical treatment. If your happy with your current state of medical care then so be it. If you compare our life expectancy and yours you won't find a HUGE difference (79 versus 77). So what does that tell us?

The health care is equally good, we just dont have to empty our wallets for medical insurance. We pay for it though taxes. Im happy knowing someone that could not typically afford a leg brace, or chemotherapy can now get the medical attention they deserve.

[Skaman]

You all try and draw the topic away from america yet this should remain the focus. Stay on topic!

[Ratamacue]

We're not going off on another topic, we're doing a flanking run. :P

[Deuterium]

If Canada was a sore nation in social turmoil the UN would not have rated it the best nation to live in, year after year. Though I believe this year it was infact Australia.

This basis is made on all the problems we are discussing that amalgamate and create general national isues.

Why is America not number 1? hmm, I wonder why.

It must be because the UN is biased. :roll:

Nobody said Canada was in turmoil. Canada is a great place to live, along with a LONG list of other countries. Do they rate colleges in Canada? There is a number 1 college and there is a number 50 college. Does that mean the number 50 college is a pice of ****? Stop it with your inferiority complex. Canada is a fine country. Be happy with it. SOlve your problems as you see fit. Adopt ideas from other places/countries that you agree with and reject those that you disagree with.

[ibstolidude]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks10.gif

[Deuterium]

these misfortunes and supporting our free national healthcare.
If that was true we wouldn't have Canadians coming to our country for medical treatment. If your happy with your current state of medical care then so be it. If you compare our life expectancy and yours you won't find a HUGE difference (79 versus 77). So what does that tell us?

The health care is equally good, we just dont have to empty our wallets for medical insurance. We pay for it though taxes. Im happy knowing someone that could not typically afford a leg brace, or chemotherapy can now get the medical attention they deserve.

Well that's complete BS. You're making the assertion that AMericans don't get this care. That's pure propaganda. The problem is with the statistics. Young Americans, the healthy ones, rightly refuse to pay for medical insurance because they like the odds. As they get older they change their minds. Its the same with life insurance. The statistics are skewed in this regard. Just because I'm elligible for medical insurance and CHOSE to turn it down doesn't get reflected into the statistics. At least we have the option!!!!!! Its my life, not the governments!!!!!

[Skaman]

The fact is, the cost of war is too much. The USA should turn its focus to more relevent issues that have taken a back seat to this ill-fated war.

Too many dead, both Coalition+ Iraqi
Too much destruction, too much discontent
Too much money, the rest of the nation is suffering as a result. American dollar is going down.
Lastly, iraq does not want your help, small minority pockets do.

[Deuterium]

The fact is, the cost of war is too much. The USA should turn its focus to more relevent issues that have taken a back seat to this ill-fated war.

Too many dead, both Coalition+ Iraqi
Too much destruction, too much discontent
Too much money, the rest of the nation is suffering as a result. American dollar is going down.
Lastly, iraq does not want your help, small minority pockets do.

AHHHHHHHHH finally your REAL POINT. Great point taken. You don't like our current foreign policy. Well hey jerkface, stop BSing and make your point next time, not that we didn't already realize this. Sorry for the name calling. You deserve it.

[Ratamacue]

You all try and draw the topic away from america yet this should remain the focus. Stay on topic!

[ibstolidude]

The fact is, the cost of war is too much. The USA should turn its focus to more relevent issues that have taken a back seat to this ill-fated war.

Too many dead, both Coalition+ Iraqi
Too much destruction, too much discontent
Too much money, the rest of the nation is suffering as a result. American dollar is going down.
Lastly, iraq does not want your help, small minority pockets do.
really when the **** were you there???
how the **** many Iraqis do you speak to?


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative4.jpg

[farmgirl]

Are you people intentionally stupid, do your purposefully limit yourself to only what you want to hear.

Canada is not perfect, we suffer
-unemployment
-homelessness
-crime
-some murder
-political scandals
-class fragmentation


Correcting these issues costs much of the federal tax dollar, and I am happy to know that my money goes to remedying these misfortunes and supporting our free national healthcare.


The USA is the exact opposite, instead of supporting their vast populous and its internal issues, the Bush Administration fills the public with ill-conceived ideas of a war on freedom and supports a liberation among a people that don’t want to be liberated.


I guess you should go to bed tonight thanking your God (I'm sure you have a better one in Canada) that you don't live in a terrible country like the United States of America. I mean what are we thinking trying to help other countries out??? We should be ashamed of ourselves.
As for me.... I'm just thankful that I live in the greatest country in the world.

[Skaman]

bull ****, hardly, more so this thread reeks of your putrid impudence and ignorance.

[Seoulstriker]

these misfortunes and supporting our free national healthcare.
If that was true we wouldn't have Canadians coming to our country for medical treatment. If your happy with your current state of medical care then so be it. If you compare our life expectancy and yours you won't find a HUGE difference (79 versus 77). So what does that tell us?

The health care is equally good, we just dont have to empty our wallets for medical insurance. We pay for it though taxes. Im happy knowing someone that could not typically afford a leg brace, or chemotherapy can now get the medical attention they deserve.

Well that's complete BS. You're making the assertion that AMericans don't get this care. That's pure propaganda. The problem is with the statistics. Young Americans, the healthy ones, rightly refuse to pay for medical insurance because they like the odds. As they get older they change their minds. Its the same with life insurance. The statistics are skewed in this regard. Just because I'm elligible for medical insurance and CHOSE to turn it down doesn't get reflected into the statistics. At least we have the option!!!!!! Its my life, not the governments!!!!!


did you know that everyone in the US can receive health care?

did you know that france has a socialized medical system also?

did you know that 15,000 elderly died in a 'heat wave'? :roll:

did you know that if someone wants CT scans or MRI scans they must wait for that if it is provided at all?

did you know that you pay an extremely inflated price for your healthcare?

did you know that the socialized health care system is extremely inefficient and that in the US it would be dramatically worse than canada's system?

did you know that the Canadian Fraser Institute reported in August 2002, “with regard to access to high-tech machinery, Canada performs dismally by comparison with other OECD countries. While ranking number one as a health care spender [among OECD countries with publicly funded universal health care systems], Canada ranks 18th in access to MRIs, 17th in access to CT scanners, [and] eighth in access to radiation machines.”

did you know that on any given day, one million people in Britain are on a waiting list for in-patient hospital admission at any given time. While some people actually get better while waiting, others die in during the wait.


did you know that five hundred physicians leave Canada every year to practice in something other than a single-payer health care system. Zosia Kmietowicz wrote in the October 20, 2001 issue of the British Medical Journal, “one in four general practitioners (GPs) in Britain's National Health Service is seriously considering leaving general practice.” The British Medical Association surveyed all 36,000 general practitioners in Britain, asking them if they would be prepared to resign from the NHS. There was a 66 percent response rate ... and 86 percent voted in favor of resignation.


nice system you have there. i don't even want to get started with what students in the 'american medical student association (AMSA)' are saying about socialized medicine. you would think that becoming doctors, they would have some common sense... :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[Skaman]

Are you people intentionally stupid, do your purposefully limit yourself to only what you want to hear.

Canada is not perfect, we suffer
-unemployment
-homelessness
-crime
-some murder
-political scandals
-class fragmentation


Correcting these issues costs much of the federal tax dollar, and I am happy to know that my money goes to remedying these misfortunes and supporting our free national healthcare.


The USA is the exact opposite, instead of supporting their vast populous and its internal issues, the Bush Administration fills the public with ill-conceived ideas of a war on freedom and supports a liberation among a people that don’t want to be liberated.


I guess you should go to bed tonight thanking your God (I'm sure you have a better one in Canada) that you don't live in a terrible country like the United States of America. I mean what are we thinking trying to help other countries out??? We should be ashamed of ourselves.
As for me.... I'm just thankful that I live in

the greatest country in the world.

You’re not helping anyone! You think Iraq is really being helped?
-faltering health care
-social fragmentation
-discontent
-unemployment
-udder chaos and unmanageable violence

And well, the rest of the world and the UN seem to think different about the USA being the greatest nation on earth. I personally don’t think Canada is the greatest nation on earth, but hey, I am glad I live here and not the USA.

[farmgirl]

bull ****, hardly, more so this thread reeks of your putrid impudence and ignorance.

I'm so excited... my first flame!!!! woot

One should be careful throwing words like ignorance around. Perhaps your opinions would be taken more seriously if:
1) You actually stated them in the first place and
2) You used proper spelling and grammar. (name calling works better if you don't represent the very insults you are using)

[Skaman]

I would love to live in the USA as the people are generally great, yet I would be embarrassed beyond comparison of my federal leadership’s actions and the poor state of our nation’s health and Hollywood 'lifestyle'.

Therefore, until that changes I will never move to the United States nor will I spend my hard earned dollar there.

[Operation Ivy]

Ok we get that you dont like America, do u have to start saying the same thing over and over again in every thread you make. Worry bout Canada and we'll worry bout our country. Jeez

[StarvingStudent47]

The USA is in a shady econmic position and has untold potenitel to better their nation, rather they ruin others in ill fated excuses of 'freedom'

The USA could correct their problems that plauge the nation, yet they beat up some third world country that dosent want help. Talk about forcing yourself upon someone.

As for the USA's murder rates, crime, ghettoes, homelessness.
Rather than correct these problems, America moves on to other nations that dont EVEN want your HELP!!!! How can you justify this? The usa does not, nor should it be in a nation that does not want your help. One would think that a diverse internal market would allow sufficent money to go into fixing internal social fragmentation, yet this is not the case. Its truly sad that you can live with yourself knowing your fellow American suffers the misfortune of poverty and ilness while you 'patriotically' watch your nation tear apart a nation half way across the globe.

That's it. I shot the damned border collie. The blood is on your hands, Ducimus.

The oddest part is, I thought I was coming to MilitaryPhotos.net, not DomesticEconomicsAndSocialPrograms.net. I ought to check my bookmark.

[Seoulstriker]

...and the poor state of our nation’s health



did you know that everyone in the US can receive health care?

did you know that france has a socialized medical system also?

did you know that 15,000 elderly died in a 'heat wave'? :roll:

did you know that if someone wants CT scans or MRI scans they must wait for that if it is provided at all?

did you know that you pay an extremely inflated price for your healthcare?

did you know that the socialized health care system is extremely inefficient and that in the US it would be dramatically worse than canada's system?

did you know that the Canadian Fraser Institute reported in August 2002, “with regard to access to high-tech machinery, Canada performs dismally by comparison with other OECD countries. While ranking number one as a health care spender [among OECD countries with publicly funded universal health care systems], Canada ranks 18th in access to MRIs, 17th in access to CT scanners, [and] eighth in access to radiation machines.”

did you know that on any given day, one million people in Britain are on a waiting list for in-patient hospital admission at any given time. While some people actually get better while waiting, others die in during the wait.


did you know that five hundred physicians leave Canada every year to practice in something other than a single-payer health care system. Zosia Kmietowicz wrote in the October 20, 2001 issue of the British Medical Journal, “one in four general practitioners (GPs) in Britain's National Health Service is seriously considering leaving general practice.” The British Medical Association surveyed all 36,000 general practitioners in Britain, asking them if they would be prepared to resign from the NHS. There was a 66 percent response rate ... and 86 percent voted in favor of resignation.


i guess that's why the US medical system is #1 in the world. :bash: :bash: :bash:

[Skaman]

I am not arguing that America has a great health system, rather our nation looks out for our citizens, we don’t make them suffer the burden of expensive healthcare. It cannot be argued that your system is superior in treatment after all, its is privately funded. I still receive all the treatment I want and the differences are not that stark, so I will take my free health care thank you.

[Ratamacue]

So take your free health care and let us enjoy our superior, privately-funded healthcare system.

[Salty Dog]

I am not arguing that America has a great health system, rather our nation looks out for our citizens, we don’t make them suffer the burden of expensive healthcare. It cannot be argued that your system is superior in treatment after all, its is privately funded. I still receive all the treatment I want and the differences are not that stark, so I will take my free health care thank you.

good for you man! woot

[Seoulstriker]

I am not arguing that America has a great health system, rather our nation looks out for our citizens, we don’t make them suffer the burden of expensive healthcare. It cannot be argued that your system is superior in treatment after all, its is privately funded. I still receive all the treatment I want and the differences are not that stark, so I will take my free health care thank you.

little do you realize that your health care is not free at all. do you realize how much MORE money it costs you in canada to receive inferior health care?

you still don't realize that the quantity of money that you pay in taxes for health care is more than in the US?

hmmmm... what happens when you are not sick??? what happens if you don't need health care for 25 years? where the fuc* did all your earnings go? you think that's free??? after 25 years, and you need to see the doctor because you are in anaphylactic shock... oh ****, you can't see the doctor because a puny little punk was there before you with a little cold. oh ****. oh well.

let's say that after 25 years, you need to get diagnosed and treated for Escherichia coli, and you come out of the hospital without having to pay the bill. wow, that was free. it only cost me $150,000 in sunk earnings! oh darn! at least it's still free!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

it's not free, eh?

[budanski]

This is hilarious. Douchebag19 lecturing us on literacy. As has been hinted to you before, get your house in order first before you make such statements.

As for the poor health bs you're obviously spewing, no one in the U.S. is denied medical attention. Whether you could afford it or not, you will be taken great care of. There are plenty of govt. aid to assist you ie: Medicare/Medicaid. The fact that you want to compare Canada's socialised system to that of the U.S. is utter stupidity. When was the last time you heard of latest breakthroughs in modern medicine? Could you have been available to participate in the German Protocol? Whats this? Yes, they were named after German researchers who were smart enough to leave their own countries lacking system to come here and fully exploit their research in an enviroment where it would really flourished in. Even Canadian pharmaceuticals have opted to do their research in the U.S. Why is this? Don't believe me? Walk 5 minutes north from my residence. Thats where you'll find the Texas Medical Center. Home of Dr. Michael E. Debakey (http://www.fbresearch.org/about/debakey.htm), who made open heart transplant doable. and M.D. Anderson, ranked number one in world cancer research center is just an example.

Unemployment heh? 6 % compared to double digit figures from both France and Germany aint too bad.

By the way, I pay between 10-15% on income tax here in Texas, how much do you pay in your socialist country? Last checked it was around 40-60% in Europe how is it up there? Just curious.

Oh, and another thing. Why is it curiously quiet from the other Canucks? Is it that they are all in agreement with Douchebag19? ;)

[Red]

I am surprised that you guys are still talking to our resident alien from the planet Zog,

[wyrm_142]

I really feel cheated in that I have a 4 year degree, and to the best of my knowledge, I've not read Beowolf...I'll have to put that on my list of stuff to read.

[Skaman]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953

[Red]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
i wish i could see you so that i can cut *edited* put it in your mouth :bash: :petting: :fork: :backhand: :-*$ :slap:

[Skaman]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
i wish i could see you so that i can cut your ***** and your 2 balls off and put it in your mouth :bash: :petting: :fork: :backhand: :-*$ :slap:


Don't use tons of :bash: :fork: :cantbeli: :slap: :hug: in your posts.


Stated this clearly in Forum Rules


and by the way, grow up.

[Red]

and by the way, grow up.
after you

[Vance]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
And yet you are in the military, which is at war.

[Seoulstriker]

I am not arguing that America has a great health system, rather our nation looks out for our citizens, we don’t make them suffer the burden of expensive healthcare. It cannot be argued that your system is superior in treatment after all, its is privately funded. I still receive all the treatment I want and the differences are not that stark, so I will take my free health care thank you.

little do you realize that your health care is not free at all. do you realize how much MORE money it costs you in canada to receive inferior health care?

you still don't realize that the quantity of money that you pay in taxes for health care is more than in the US?

hmmmm... what happens when you are not sick??? what happens if you don't need health care for 25 years? where the fuc* did all your earnings go? you think that's free??? after 25 years, and you need to see the doctor because you are in anaphylactic shock... oh ****, you can't see the doctor because a puny little punk was there before you with a little cold. oh ****. oh well.

let's say that after 25 years, you need to get diagnosed and treated for Escherichia coli, and you come out of the hospital without having to pay the bill. wow, that was free. it only cost me $150,000 in sunk earnings! oh darn! at least it's still free!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

it's not free, eh?

[Seoulstriker]

This is hilarious. Douchebag19 lecturing us on literacy. As has been hinted to you before, get your house in order first before you make such statements.

As for the poor health bs you're obviously spewing, no one in the U.S. is denied medical attention. Whether you could afford it or not, you will be taken great care of. There are plenty of govt. aid to assist you ie: Medicare/Medicaid. The fact that you want to compare Canada's socialised system to that of the U.S. is utter stupidity. When was the last time you heard of latest breakthroughs in modern medicine? Could you have been available to participate in the German Protocol? Whats this? Yes, they were named after German researchers who were smart enough to leave their own countries lacking system to come here and fully exploit their research in an enviroment where it would really flourished in. Even Canadian pharmaceuticals have opted to do their research in the U.S. Why is this? Don't believe me? Walk 5 minutes north from my residence. Thats where you'll find the Texas Medical Center. Home of Dr. Michael E. Debakey (http://www.fbresearch.org/about/debakey.htm), who made open heart transplant doable. and M.D. Anderson, ranked number one in world cancer research center is just an example.

Unemployment heh? 6 % compared to double digit figures from both France and Germany aint too bad.

By the way, I pay between 10-15% on income tax here in Texas, how much do you pay in your socialist country? Last checked it was around 40-60% in Europe how is it up there? Just curious.

Oh, and another thing. Why is it curiously quiet from the other Canucks? Is it that they are all in agreement with Douchebag19? ;)

[Seoulstriker]

still no response from ducimus19... hmmm... might he have proven wrong?



yes. yes he has.

[fred_engles]

First off:
benibo, i'm generally not a rude guy. but you need to calm down or shut up.

secondly:
seoulstriker, you can argue the merits of the various economic systems, and canada's health care system does indeed have flaws (as do all). However, you really shouldn't ignore the fact that France's health care system is absolutely first (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/799444.stm) rate (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nhs/story/0,1480,591515,00.html).

And, as for the thousands that died during the heat wave, that was indeed a massive tragedy, but it's hardly evidence of a massive failure. Many parts of France don't generally get any hot weather at all [the average temperature during July is 64 degree F in Paris, and even cooler in other places]. In many parts of france, you can comfortably wear a sweater outside on even some of the warmest days. Therefore, it is hardly surprised that many people don't own air conditioners; or that sustained 90+ temperatures would be devastating.

Imagine if Austin got 5 feet of snow and temperatures of -20 degree F., or if it hit 95 in Alaska; I imagine we'd have hundreds of deaths then too.

[Red]

First off:
benibo, i'm generally not a rude guy. but you need to calm down or shut up.

secondly:
seoulstriker, you can argue the merits of the various economic systems, and canada's health care system does indeed have flaws (as do all). However, you really shouldn't ignore the fact that France's health care system is absolutely first (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/799444.stm) rate (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nhs/story/0,1480,591515,00.html).

And, as for the thousands that died during the heat wave, that was indeed a massive tragedy, but it's hardly evidence of a massive failure. Many parts of France don't generally get any hot weather at all [the average temperature during July is 64 degree F in Paris, and even cooler in other places]. In many parts of france, you can comfortably wear a sweater outside on even some of the warmest days. Therefore, it is hardly surprised that many people don't own air conditioners; or that sustained 90+ temperatures would be devastating.

Imagine if Austin got 5 feet of snow and temperatures of -20 degree F., or if it hit 95 in Alaska; I imagine we'd have hundreds of deaths then too.
What?Did you just tell me to shut up ohh no you didnt.Oh well actually i am not a rude guy myself,i just felt like talking smack.Hey duc i am sorry for calling you names.Now let me be serious for a few seconds.Ducey i feel you when you talk about soem policies of the US,i understand where you are coming from.But the thing is that as bad as the US is i love this place,i am an immigrant to this country,i know what it is to suffer from some failed US policies but still the people in this country are not fools they know what needs to be done to fix the problem.The unemployment thing can only be brought down when corporations stop being greedy and young americans start going to school to study sciences and engineering in greater numbers.The gun problem is simple.stop guns from getting into the hands of people who are not qualified to handle it.Guns are not the problem,the problem is the wickedness in people's heart .i personally dont know what civies are looking for with assualt rifles.For the foreign policy issue,well o'll just leave that on the hands of the people who are qualified to handle it.ducimus19,i apologise for my earlier name callings it was a tad distastefull and i should not have and for that i apologise.Have been to canada trully wonderfull place but i dont beleive there is a country like the USA.People in my country used to think that the streets of the US was paved in gold,and i now see why.God bless America.because they opened their door to me.

[StarvingStudent47]

I really feel cheated in that I have a 4 year degree, and to the best of my knowledge, I've not read Beowolf...I'll have to put that on my list of stuff to read.

There's a really good translation by Seamus Heaney. That's the one I'd suggest. It captures both the meaning and the musical flow of the original text. Most translations capture only one of the two.

[Seoulstriker]

First off:
benibo, i'm generally not a rude guy. but you need to calm down or shut up.

secondly:
seoulstriker, you can argue the merits of the various economic systems, and canada's health care system does indeed have flaws (as do all). However, you really shouldn't ignore the fact that France's health care system is absolutely first (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/799444.stm) rate (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nhs/story/0,1480,591515,00.html).

And, as for the thousands that died during the heat wave, that was indeed a massive tragedy, but it's hardly evidence of a massive failure. Many parts of France don't generally get any hot weather at all [the average temperature during July is 64 degree F in Paris, and even cooler in other places]. In many parts of france, you can comfortably wear a sweater outside on even some of the warmest days. Therefore, it is hardly surprised that many people don't own air conditioners; or that sustained 90+ temperatures would be devastating.

Imagine if Austin got 5 feet of snow and temperatures of -20 degree F., or if it hit 95 in Alaska; I imagine we'd have hundreds of deaths then too.




* The overall level of health in the population
* health inequalities within the population
* health system responsiveness and patient satisfaction
* distribution of financial burden

so, the way they determine who the top health care systems is whether or not it is socialist. :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

health inequalities and distribution of financial burden...

saying nothing about the quality of medical procedures, doctors, and treatments.



failure of socialized medicine?
http://www.iht.com/articles/119870.html




[15,000 dead]The new estimate came after the government on Monday released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on hospital understaffing during summer holidays, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly.

[Seiyuuki]

The U.S. use to be a nice place to live before Canadians with no understanding in the American's way of life or culture start to dictate what U.S.s' policies should be, like they actually vote in the U.S. and therefore deserve a say.

[Skaman]

First off:
benibo, i'm generally not a rude guy. but you need to calm down or shut up.

secondly:
seoulstriker, you can argue the merits of the various economic systems, and canada's health care system does indeed have flaws (as do all). However, you really shouldn't ignore the fact that France's health care system is absolutely first (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/799444.stm) rate (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nhs/story/0,1480,591515,00.html).

And, as for the thousands that died during the heat wave, that was indeed a massive tragedy, but it's hardly evidence of a massive failure. Many parts of France don't generally get any hot weather at all [the average temperature during July is 64 degree F in Paris, and even cooler in other places]. In many parts of france, you can comfortably wear a sweater outside on even some of the warmest days. Therefore, it is hardly surprised that many people don't own air conditioners; or that sustained 90+ temperatures would be devastating.

Imagine if Austin got 5 feet of snow and temperatures of -20 degree F., or if it hit 95 in Alaska; I imagine we'd have hundreds of deaths then too.
What?Did you just tell me to shut up ohh no you didnt.Oh well actually i am not a rude guy myself,i just felt like talking smack.Hey duc i am sorry for calling you names.Now let me be serious for a few seconds.Ducey i feel you when you talk about soem policies of the US,i understand where you are coming from.But the thing is that as bad as the US is i love this place,i am an immigrant to this country,i know what it is to suffer from some failed US policies but still the people in this country are not fools they know what needs to be done to fix the problem.The unemployment thing can only be brought down when corporations stop being greedy and young americans start going to school to study sciences and engineering in greater numbers.The gun problem is simple.stop guns from getting into the hands of people who are not qualified to handle it.Guns are not the problem,the problem is the wickedness in people's heart .i personally dont know what civies are looking for with assualt rifles.For the foreign policy issue,well o'll just leave that on the hands of the people who are qualified to handle it.ducimus19,i apologise for my earlier name callings it was a tad distastefull and i should not have and for that i apologise.Have been to canada trully wonderfull place but i dont beleive there is a country like the USA.People in my country used to think that the streets of the US was paved in gold,and i now see why.God bless America.because they opened their door to me.

That was a stark turn around. Good post I guess.

[Skaman]

Seoul, dont even try and nail me to the cross, I havent forgotten about your little racial slurs you have yet to fess up to.

Seoulstriker said:

muslims think we're a christian country, and Islam teaches that non-believers must be killed.


it's taught in the Quran

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

The U.S. use to be a nice place to live before Canadians with no understanding in the American's way of life or culture start to dictate what U.S.s' policies should be, like they actually vote in the U.S. and therefore deserve a say.

Seiyuuki your way off buddy, I really dont care what you Americans do down south. Niether do other Canadians. As for Canadians not understanding Americans way of life, most Americans think we all live in Igloo's and theres snow on the ground all year long and we travel by dogsleds. Dont lecture us on "not understanding the americans way of life or culture".

American culture is everywere, from FOX Tv (I love cops) to CNN to TBS, us Canadians see alot of American culture news, commericals adds ect. Try finding one Canadian channel on your tv guys and get back to me on that because your not going to find one unless you have a satelitte dish.

[Haiw]

So let's get back to discussing books again...anyone ever read anything from a dutch writer? ;)

[Seiyuuki]

First, it was not a lecture, please understand the proper definition and usage in the appropriate context of a word before using it.

Well, you don't see me rants on and on about how Canadians should constitute their gun policies, national health care, pollution controls, social conditions, etc. etc. etc.

Anyone with extended basic cable or a dish can get the CBC, which I believe is a Canadian channel, so that's one channel.

[RealUltimatePower]

Once again I must apologize for Ducimus' opinion. It is not the opinion of the Canadian Forces nor is it the general belief of Canadians. Yes, it is true the the United States spends 3.6 % of their GDP on defence. However, here in Canada we are well bellow the NATO standard and spend a mere 1.1 % of our GDP.
Let me remind you Ducimus that the US is its own nation and can do what it wants with its budget. If they choose to not have a social net like we have in Canada then that is fine and is none of our business.
However, insighting hate towards our most important ally is irresponsible and gives people on this website the wrong impression of Canadian Forces personel. You are allowed to have your opinions however make sure they are detatched from the reserve forces.

[Skaman]

Good point, this is my opinion, not the opinion of the reserves forces. One individual cannot posses a greater representation of the entirety of the Canadian populous, just as your feeling towards my opinion is your own, NOT OF ALL CANADIANS. I know MANY that share a similar philosophy as me, yet not all, most poignant: my own dad disagrees with me in the most extremist sense. He is right wing capitalist racist, yet that is his viewing of such matters, and he sure as hell does not represent Canada. While I do not represent Canada, I can assure you I represent a few. ;)

[WARPIG]

Once again dicamus finds a fact and distorts it to support his idiocy.
I will put a little perspective on your facts.
US spends the most money on its military. True.. we are #1 in the world while we are only the 3rd largest military force in the world.
US spends less of their GDP than one third of the world. As we are the most powerful military in the world I think this is unsurprising.
If we are looking at stats about the US why not compare it to another country for some perspective.
Dicamus is from Canada so lets look at that.
~US crime is in the top 10-15 percent of the world.
So is Canada. Usually a little less.
~Typical US prison sentences are about average in comparison to the rest of the world.
Canadian prison sentences are dead last.
~As far as rapes the US has the most.. but are in the bottom half of rape victims per capita.
Canada has less rapes but more rapes per capita (double the US rate)
~A note about illicit drugs.. US is a heavy consumer and point of criminal money laundering for drug activity while Canada is a heavy source for Hash, cannabis, and a traffic route for heroin to the US.

Back to military
~Average expenditure on the armed forces per capita for US is around $990 while Canadians’ spend around $250
~4-5 out of every 1000 Americans join the Armed Forces.
1-2 Canadians join the military per 1000.
~Both Canadian and US militaries are at the far low end of the spectrum as far as military growth. US is at –37% while Canada’s is at –29%.

The little factoids can be taken out of context, fluffed, sugar coated, and interpreted any way you want. Crime and punishment are apparently not the priority of Canada’s spending as someone wanted us to believe. They don’t have all that high of a crime rate though. Comparisons can be taken with other countries, and conclusions taken in hundreds of different ways. The popular notion of US crime, ghettos, and drugs being so high is based on gross numbers.. yet per capita, we're average to low.

Bottom line of this thread is that the US spends more money on it’s troops. Better equipped, better trained, and more prepared soldiers are what the US military are known for. With all the new technology and transformations that are going on during a time of war.. well I think any idiot can predict some additional spending.
A truly talented idiot would read into this fact and distort it the way dicamus19 did.

[Skaman]

Lets see some sources backing up your claims in comparing these two nations.

[farmgirl]

I really feel cheated in that I have a 4 year degree, and to the best of my knowledge, I've not read Beowolf...I'll have to put that on my list of stuff to read.

There's a really good translation by Seamus Heaney. That's the one I'd suggest. It captures both the meaning and the musical flow of the original text. Most translations capture only one of the two.


agreed.... you'll like it student.... the language is beautiful. I just wish I could read it in original form.

Haiw... I'm not sure if I've ever read anything by a Dutch author... I certainly would if you suggest something good. In fact, I'm teaching World Literature next semester, so suggest something quick... maybe I'll use it.

[WARPIG]

About your opinion dicamus. It is great that you took the step to distance your puke from the opinion of other Canadians.
Actually that is not really the right way to say that. Your opinion is your own. I think that much of it is baseless and uninformed.
Your approach is the "puke" that I refer to. Every time you post you try and base your thinking on some obscure fact or source.
"Dude, where's my country?" for example. You could have gotten the same amount of liberal bull**** from any number of best sellers on the market or.. any number of KKK, Black Panther, Michigan Militia, ETC, hate groups. Same little bits and pieces of facts.. warped into a published work of hatred and stupidity. I could spend my time looking for the same kind of factoids and garbage as you do and us them to piss on Canadian foreign policy, politics, crime, echology, etc. Thing is I don't have any biased hatred of Canada or any country.. or my father for that matter. Thing is if I wanted to lash out at a country about the things that you do.. I wouldn't go to a soldier's forum and **** on them. Soldiers don't make the politics or wars. Well I guess only a real soldier would know that.

Keep screaming for attention dicamus19.

[WARPIG]

Lets see some sources backing up your claims in comparing these two nations.

Go find them yourself!
Your so good at finding little factoids and bull****.. you figure it out.
Read the whole post you dolt. Any idiot can look up facts and list little sources to make a point. Getting a whole picture is what a little intelligence will get you. You have yet to show that.

[Skaman]

Hey, if your going to provide the facts, show it how it is. Lets see some sources that directly compare

Murder Rates
Homelessness
Drug Abuse
Oranized Crime
Rape
Literacy
Education
etc.


I know we are fairly close on many aspects, but you seem to be missing th point. You swing time and time again, but you just cant hit it. Its not that the USA is faaaaar insupperior to Canada, its the fact that you waste all this money when there are far more needy demands to be met. Education, crime, rehabilitation etc. Pull your head out of your ass, and whipe the **** from your nose. Its not too late to clean up.

[Skaman]

Lastly, I dont hate my dad, and its wrong of you to assume that.


Quit spouting the same rhetoric bull-**** in an ill fated attempt to re-inflate your American ego. Dismiss the evidence all you want, individuals such as yourself can live in ignorance and purposeless stupidity all you want. Your patriotism has made you so blind and I can believe it. RAW RAW USA!

[WARPIG]

Here is a challenge dicamus. Take a poll here about which one of us has their head in their ass.
You sound like some neglected little teenager screaming for attention.

As far as military spending. Like I said. Our military is gettin smaller.. we are spending more. Americans realize that to continue to be the power that we are.. we have to increase the ability of our soldiers to both fight and survive. We have fewer people to do more tasks. Technology is the way to do that. We pay almost a $1000 per person here in the US for our military. We love our troops. Ask any American if he minds spending money to give our soldiers a better chance at coming home. Ask them if it is waste of money.
No one thinks that we are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay superior in any way to Canada except for our military. We are bigger, better equipped, better supported, and better trained. Maybe we like to boast about that but ****.. it is like boasting about your favorite sports team. Only difference here is that we are in different leagues. From what I hear your military is hurting for funding and are having to do without a lot of things. Ask yourself if a Canadian soldier dies of heat stroke because spending money on new hydration systems for soldiers was considered a waste of money... is it? If your aircraft could be retrofitted with a better radar assembly that could extend the range of it's threat indicators.. is it a waste? If there is any equipment that could increase the survivability of your already shrinking military force.. would it be worth the cost? According to you.. no. Oh.. maybe not. Maybe just adding to the survivability of US soldiers is a waste of money.
As far as our countries are concerned there is no need for comparison. I listed those comparisons for your sake. That is your way of justifying your own personal thoughts. I don't need them. My country's merits can stand on their own.

Let me know how that poll turns out.

[Deuterium]

Hey, if your going to provide the facts, show it how it is. Lets see some sources that directly compare

Murder Rates
Homelessness
Drug Abuse
Oranized Crime
Rape
Literacy
Education
etc.


I know we are fairly close on many aspects, but you seem to be missing th point. You swing time and time again, but you just cant hit it. Its not that the USA is faaaaar insupperior to Canada, its the fact that you waste all this money when there are far more needy demands to be met. Education, crime, rehabilitation etc. Pull your head out of your ass, and whipe the **** from your nose. Its not too late to clean up.

What gives you the right to tell US taxpayers how to spend their money. YOu guys want socialized medice? Great have it. You don't see Americans preaching for you to switch. Let us run our own gorvernment thankyou.

[Skaman]

Its my problem when your spending as a nation begins to affect the global commuity. You as taxpayers and voters brought Bush into power and have allowed this man to wilffuly impose "freedom" on a nation that does not want your help, in-turn resulting in thousands of civillian lives. Until the smear of American foreign policy is removed from the globe, and Americans re-evaluate their oh so ardous thought process, its going to remain my problem.

[Deuterium]

The U.S. use to be a nice place to live before Canadians with no understanding in the American's way of life or culture start to dictate what U.S.s' policies should be, like they actually vote in the U.S. and therefore deserve a say.

Seiyuuki your way off buddy, I really dont care what you Americans do down south. Niether do other Canadians. As for Canadians not understanding Americans way of life, most Americans think we all live in Igloo's and theres snow on the ground all year long and we travel by dogsleds. Dont lecture us on "not understanding the americans way of life or culture".

American culture is everywere, from FOX Tv (I love cops) to CNN to TBS, us Canadians see alot of American culture news, commericals adds ect. Try finding one Canadian channel on your tv guys and get back to me on that because your not going to find one unless you have a satelitte dish.

I get to watch Canadian news all the time, Peter Jennings, Morley Safer just name a few. Hollywood is packed with Canadian personalities, not that that's a bad thing, Pam Anderson, Shania Twain....

[Deuterium]

on a nation that does not want your help Pure BS, come with me on my next trip to Iraq and I'll introduce you to a couple of MILLION Iraqis that want us there, the Kurds.

[Skaman]

Pam Anderson and the likes have been tainted by the american persona and the immoral ideals of hollywood garbage. They PRACTICALLY are Americans, and im disgusted to think they were born here. Dont associate me with those half-cut nimrods.

[Deuterium]

Its my problem when your spending as a nation begins to affect the global commuity. You as taxpayers and voters brought Bush into power and have allowed this many to wilffuly impose "freedom" on a nation that does not want your help, in-turn resulting in thousands of civillian lives. Until the smear of American foreign policy is removed from the globe, and Americans re-evaluate their oh so ardous thought process, its going to remain my problem.

Oh and as to affecting the global community, guess who is third on the list of most owned property in the US by a foreign country, Ohhhhh Canada.....

[Skaman]

The Kurds are a minority.

[Deuterium]

This is not a Canada sucks thread, this is a Ducimus needs an attitude adjustment thread. Canada is a staunch ally of the US and we've almost forgot about the 1812 mis-understanding.

[Deuterium]

The Kurds are a minority.

So they don't count, 4 million people don't count??? You have all the answers....

[Skaman]

This is not a Canada sucks thread, this is a Ducimus needs an attitude adjustment thread. Canada is a staunch ally of the US and we've almost forgot about the 1812 mis-understanding.

You FIRGGING invaded us. Im gald we burnt down the White House.

[Skaman]

The Kurds are a minority.

So they don't count, 4 million people don't count??? You have all the answers....


Majority rules.

[WARPIG]

Its my problem when your spending as a nation begins to affect the global commuity. You as taxpayers and voters brought Bush into power and have allowed this many to wilffuly impose "freedom" on a nation that does not want your help, in-turn resulting in thousands of civillian lives. Until the smear of American foreign policy is removed from the globe, and Americans re-evaluate their oh so ardous thought process, its going to remain my problem.

The US conspiracy to bring "freedom" to other nations. Hmm. That must be the real motive of the Evil American Empire.
Maybe we can "wipe the **** from our noses" and all unite to over throw the evil "freedom mongers" and restore the beloved opression to the Iraqi people.


Lastly, I dont hate my dad, and its wrong of you to assume that.


Quit spouting the same rhetoric bull-**** in an ill fated attempt to re-inflate your American ego. Dismiss the evidence all you want, individuals such as yourself can live in ignorance and purposeless stupidity all you want. Your patriotism has made you so blind and I can believe it. RAW RAW USA!

I didn't dismiss evidence by the way.. I disproved it or completed it.
Dismissing is when you choose to ignore something. Like the way you omit facts that don't support your "rhetoric bull-****." Keep trying though dumbass. Your pitiful attempts to list incomplete facts to make a point, still fall short.
Again... take a little poll. Who has the posted the most rhetoric and has a rep for having his head in his ass?
Anyone here want to make any nominations?

[Deuterium]

The Kurds are a minority.

So they don't count, 4 million people don't count??? You have all the answers....


Majority rules.

So Canadians are a minority in North America, so you don't count, your logic is unsound. One thousand out of thirty million is a minority that"doesn't count", 20% of the population of Iraq are Kurds, oh yeah they don't count.... BS. 12 Percent of the US population is African American, I dare you to come to the US and tell them "they don't count".

[Deuterium]

Its my problem when your spending as a nation begins to affect the global commuity. You as taxpayers and voters brought Bush into power and have allowed this many to wilffuly impose "freedom" on a nation that does not want your help, in-turn resulting in thousands of civillian lives. Until the smear of American foreign policy is removed from the globe, and Americans re-evaluate their oh so ardous thought process, its going to remain my problem.

The US conspiracy to bring "freedom" to other nations. Hmm. That must be the real motive of the Evil American Empire.
Maybe we can "wipe the **** from our noses" and all unite to over throw the evil "freedom mongers" and restore the beloved opression to the Iraqi people.


Lastly, I dont hate my dad, and its wrong of you to assume that.


Quit spouting the same rhetoric bull-**** in an ill fated attempt to re-inflate your American ego. Dismiss the evidence all you want, individuals such as yourself can live in ignorance and purposeless stupidity all you want. Your patriotism has made you so blind and I can believe it. RAW RAW USA!

I didn't dismiss evidence by the way.. I disproved it or completed it.
Dismissing is when you choose to ignore something. Like the way you omit facts that don't support your "rhetoric bull-****." Keep trying though dumbass. Your pitiful attempts to list incomplete facts to make a point, still fall short.
Again... take a little poll. Who has the posted the most rhetoric and has a rep for having his head in his ass?
Anyone here want to make any nominations?

Ducimus...Ducimus...Ducimus...

[Hydro]

This is not a Canada sucks thread, this is a Ducimus needs an attitude adjustment thread. Canada is a staunch ally of the US and we've almost forgot about the 1812 mis-understanding.

You FIRGGING invaded us. Im gald we burnt down the White House.


Shows you what a careless cigarette can do...

I think, Mr. 19, you're fighting a losing battle here. Cut your losses. Go.
Preaching the same tired rhetoric that is pretty much standard in "How to hate the US in 10 easy steps" gets annoying. Have the US bombed your home or something? Do you have a genuine personal problem with the United States? Or is it "I think I'll be the brave little guy and stand up to the big bully, and make absolutely NO difference at all, but I'll at least be really annoying"?

The Allies are needed in Iraq. It's always the minority who are the most vocal, something you have really proven. I'm not a great fan of Mr. Bush, not by any stretch of the imagination, however, Iraq needed to be sorted out sooner or later, and it happened now. Things will never change overnight, but they will change. First Saddam, then who knows what other dictators will fall?

[NcDeuce]

The Kurds are a minority.

So they don't count, 4 million people don't count??? You have all the answers....


Majority rules.

So Canadians are a minority in North America, so you don't count, your logic is unsound. One thousand out of thirty million is a minority that"doesn't count", 20% of the population of Iraq are Kurds, oh yeah they don't count.... BS. 12 Percent of the US population is African American, I dare you to come to the US and tell them "they don't count".

Word

[Skaman]

If 80 percent want the USA gone, then you should respect that. Majority rules. I think their rampant attempts and killings of Americans with udder pleasure speak for themselves. If 51 percent of B.C wanted to join the USA, fine, that’s democracy. I might not like it, but that’s the way it is.

Warpig, I am still baffled that you think you have achieved some greater point and proved me wrong..... Keep chasing your tail little puppy, you are doing just great.
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[wyrm_142]

I really feel cheated in that I have a 4 year degree, and to the best of my knowledge, I've not read Beowolf...I'll have to put that on my list of stuff to read.

There's a really good translation by Seamus Heaney. That's the one I'd suggest. It captures both the meaning and the musical flow of the original text. Most translations capture only one of the two.


agreed.... you'll like it student.... the language is beautiful. I just wish I could read it in original form.


Farmgirl,
Any other good old books that I should read to make up for my apparent sub-par public school education. I'll be picking up Beowolf here in a bit.

thanks

[WARPIG]

Just a little tid-bit for you guys. The US never invaded the Canadians in 1812. We were at war with the British. The burning of public buildings in Washington were a retaliation for similar tactics from the US. (York I believe, which is now Toronto.) The US "invasion" was never realized anyway. Most of the battles occured in the lakes and seas.
Although this group of facts is far from complete.. it is a much clearer picture compared to...........
You FIRGGING invaded us. Im gald we burnt down the White House.

see? disproved and completed.

keep them coming dumbass.

[NcDeuce]

His spelling is horrendous.

[Skaman]

Simple as this, America has reasons to invade Canada, such as:

1. Believes Canada is sponsoring and Supporting Tuchmeseas attacks on the USA

2. British officials are stopping American vessels frequently for those who are jumping ship

3. The USA fears Britain and wants them removed from the continent, additionally they want to tap into the rich north and achieve the greater American "manifest destiny"


The war is fought among the great lakes, American forces are pushed back as far as Washington where the White House is burned down. The name "white" is given to it, because it had to be white washed.

[Hydro]

Simple as this, America has reasons to invade Canada, such as:

1. Believes Canada is sponsoring and Supporting Tuchmeseas attacks on the USA

2. British officials are stopping American vessels frequently for those who are jumping ship

3. The USA fears Britain and wants them removed from the continent, additionally they want to tap into the rich north and achieve the greater American "manifest destiny"


The war is fought among the great lakes, American forces are pushed back as far as Washington where the White House is burned down. The name "white" is given to it, because it had to be white washed.

Did you mean to type all this in the present tense? Maybe the reasons behind your thinking have been discovered!

[Deuterium]

If 80 percent want the USA gone, then you should respect that. Majority rules. I think their rampent attempts and killings of Americans with udder pleasure speak for themselves. If 51 percent of B.C wanted to join the USA, fine, thats democracy. I might not like it, but thats the way it is.

Warpig, I am still baffled that you think you have achieved some greater point and proved me wrong..... Keep chasing your tail little puppy, you are doing just great.

And were did you get 80% from? You made that up. Hey never let facts get in the way of your arguement.

[martinexsquaddie]

my brother was out on footpatrol last week in basra and they were mobbed by friendly iraqis so somebody wants them there :P

[Red]

Ducey19 i dont support you on this,like i said in my previous "serious" post americans are not fools let them fix their own problems you just focus on your own problems and that would be that.other than that i dont see why you should want to have any input into how another country is run.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Its my problem when your spending as a nation begins to affect the global commuity. You as taxpayers and voters brought Bush into power and have allowed this man to wilffuly impose "freedom" on a nation that does not want your help, in-turn resulting in thousands of civillian lives. Until the smear of American foreign policy is removed from the globe, and Americans re-evaluate their oh so ardous thought process, its going to remain my problem.

You've deliberately muddied the water here. "Liberating" the Iraqi people was only one goal - the larger goal being to prevent further attacks against the West. Germany and Japan had no interest in being "liberated" either in WWII, but I doubt you can make an argument against going to war with them. American foreign policy is one reason you're not goosestepping & speaking German right now. Geopolitical politics deals with the big picture - you're concentrating on the minutia. We could complain about Canadian foreign policy - that is if they HAD one. In typical fashion they wait for somebody else to take out the trash, then complain if the bag leaks.

[Hydro]

"killing americans with udder pleasure"?

Good God. Cow *** death. Those bastards.

[Deuterium]

The war is fought among the great lakes, American forces are pushed back as far as Washington where the White House is burned down. The name "white" is given to it, because it had to be white washed

Now THAT's taking some liberty with the facts(pushing not the burning).

[farmgirl]

Hey, if your going to provide the facts, show it how it is. Lets see some sources that directly compare

Murder Rates
Homelessness
Drug Abuse
Oranized Crime
Rape
Literacy
Education
etc.


I know we are fairly close on many aspects, but you seem to be missing th point. You swing time and time again, but you just cant hit it. Its not that the USA is faaaaar insupperior to Canada, its the fact that you waste all this money when there are far more needy demands to be met. Education, crime, rehabilitation etc. Pull your head out of your ass, and whipe the **** from your nose. Its not too late to clean up.

What gives you the right to tell US taxpayers how to spend their money. YOu guys want socialized medice? Great have it. You don't see Americans preaching for you to switch. Let us run our own gorvernment thankyou.


well said Deut

[Seoulstriker]

Seoul, dont even try and nail me to the cross, I havent forgotten about your little racial slurs you have yet to fess up to.

Seoulstriker said:

muslims think we're a christian country, and Islam teaches that non-believers must be killed.


it's taught in the Quran

you still don't know what racism is yet. rofl rofl

[WARPIG]

Simple as this, America has reasons to invade Canada, such as:

1. Believes Canada is sponsoring and Supporting Tuchmeseas attacks on the USA
~US believed that Tecumseh also spelled TECUMTHE, TIKAMTHE, OR TECUMTHA was a Shawnee chief and advocate of intertribal Indian alliance who directed Indian resistance to white rule in the Ohio River valley. He sided with the British in the capture of Detroit and invasion of the Ohio river valley.
~Again.. the Canadian frontier. Not Canada the country.
2. British officials are stopping American vessels frequently for those who are jumping ship ~see the first paragraph of the history lesson below.

3. The USA fears Britain and wants them removed from the continent, additionally they want to tap into the rich north and achieve the greater American "manifest destiny" ~see second paragraph of the history lesson below.

The war is fought among the great lakes, American forces are pushed back as far as Washington where the White House is burned down. The name "white" is given to it, because it had to be white washed.~this time refer to the fourth paragraph.

Proving you wrong .. again.

(June 18, 1812-Dec. 24, 1814), inconclusive British-U.S. conflict arising chiefly out of U.S. grievances over oppressive maritime practices during the Napoleonic Wars. The long struggle between Great Britain and France, fought intermittently between 1793 and 1815, led both belligerents to infringe on the rights and impair the interests of neutrals. Napoleon averted hostilities by agreeing not to interfere with U.S. trade to Britain. Britain, on the other hand, confident in its naval supremacy, continued to enforce its order in council of 1807, which led to the blockade of all French ports, and insisted that neutral vessels first call at British ports and pay duties. In addition, U.S. sensibilities were offended by the British practice of stopping U.S. ships on the high seas and impressing seamen alleged to be deserters from the Royal Navy. The new nation reacted with the Embargo Act (1807) and the Non-intercourse Act (1809). A third measure (1810) removed trade restrictions but provided for revival of nonintercourse against whichever belligerent should fail to revoke its blockade. This Great Britain failed to do in time to prevent a declaration of war signed by Pres. James Madison on June 18, 1812.

International tension was increased by U.S. resentment of British actions along the Canadian frontier. British authorities were supplying arms and encouragement to the Shawnee leader, Tecumseh, in an effort to check the advance of white settlers into Indian country. After a Shawnee attack led to the pitched Battle of Tippecanoe (Nov. 7, 1811), Westerners raised the cry that the British must be expelled from Canada to ensure frontier security. This theme was espoused vigorously by a group of expansionist congressmen called War Hawks, who also included Florida in their territorial ambitions.

The U.S. entered the war ill-prepared. Ambitious plans to invade Canada were never realized. American warships won three notable victories in duels with British frigates in 1812, including that of the Uss "Constitution" against the "Guerrière," though the three later frigate duels of the war were won by the British. Numerous naval skirmishes were fought for control of Lakes Erie, Ontario, and Champlain. Despite limited U.S. success, including the recapture of Detroit, by the summer of 1814 the British still controlled access to Lake Michigan and occupied the northern Mississippi River. An amphibious British force ravaged the shores of Chesapeake Bay and, after winning the Battle of Bladensburg, burned public buildings in Washington, D.C., in retaliation for similar U.S. acts in York (Toronto). U.S. morale was lifted when U.S. ships hindered British commerce, but this action failed to disturb Britain's control of the sea and its blockade of the American coast.

Weary of futile warfare, both sides signed the Treaty of Ghent in Belgium on Dec. 24, 1814, restoring prewar conditions. This settlement forestalled a New England separatist movement, proposed at the Hartford Convention (December 1814-January 1815) in response to the extremely unpopular war. Though the U.S. gained none of its avowed aims, popular legend soon converted defeat into the illusion of victory. Several circumstances contributed to this process: the series of military successes in the war's closing months created a sense of victory (the most imposing of which, the Battle of New Orleans, was won before news of the peace treaty reached that part of the U.S.); the end of war in Europe brought an end also to the issues of impressment and paper blockades; and finally, the war did actually subdue Indian resistance with the death of Tecumseh in battle and the crushing of the Creek confederacy in the South by Maj. Gen. Andrew Jackson in 1814. (This led indirectly to the acquisition of Florida in 1819.) The war also marked a decline of U.S. dependence on Europe and stimulated a sense of nationality.
*****
Seeing the approach of war (the War of 1812) between the Americans and British, Tecumseh assembled his followers and joined the British forces at Fort Malden on the Canadian side of the Detroit River. There he brought together perhaps the most formidable force ever commanded by a North American Indian, an accomplishment that was a decisive factor in the capture of Detroit and of 2,500 U.S. soldiers (1812).
Fired with the promise of triumph after the fall of Detroit, Tecumseh departed on another long journey to arouse the tribes, which resulted in the uprising of the Alabama Creeks in response to his oratory, though the Chickasaws, Choctaws, and Cherokees rebuffed him. He returned north and joined the British general Henry A. Procter in his invasion of Ohio. Together they besieged Fort Meigs, held by William Henry Harrison, on the Maumee River above Toledo, where by a stratagem Tecumseh intercepted and destroyed a brigade of Kentuckians under Colonel William Dudley that had been coming to Harrison's relief. He and Procter failed to capture the fort, however, and were put on the defensive by Oliver Hazard Perry's decisive victory over the British fleet on Lake Erie (Sept. 10, 1813). Harrison thereupon invaded Canada. Tecumseh with his Indians reluctantly accompanied the retiring British, whom Harrison pursued to the Thames River, in present-day southern Ontario. There, on Oct. 5, 1813, the British and Indians were routed, and Harrison won control of the Northwest. Tecumseh, directing most of the fighting, was killed. His body was carried from the field and buried secretly in a grave that has never been discovered. Nor has it ever been determined who killed Tecumseh. Tecumseh's death marked the end of Indian resistance in the Ohio River valley and in most of the lower Midwest and South, and soon thereafter the depleted tribes were transported beyond the Mississippi River.

Don't quote history if you don't know it dicamus. No-one cares if you believe that you have been proven wrong. Any one with a little intelligence can see that not only are you wrong.. but too stupid to see it.

[Nawlins]

If 80 percent want the USA gone, then you should respect that. Majority rules. I think their rampant attempts and killings of Americans with udder pleasure speak for themselves.

First, it's "utter," not "udder." So much for superior Canadian literacy.

Second, these "rampant attempts" are being made by a minority of individuals. And according to your logic, a minority doesn't count (of course you don't seem to realize that your democratic "majority rules" statement contradicts your socialist tendencies, but that's another discussion).

Third, did you personally take a poll of every Iraqi citizen? How do you know that 80% of them want us gone?

You continue to ask for proof and sources for the facts we present, while at the same time presenting your own questionable "facts" without proof or sources. Not terribly convincing.

Also, my aunt and uncle lived in Canada for several years. They were unhappy with the inflated cost of living and outrageous tax rates (medical care was an issue as well, since their child is chronically ill). Guess where they moved back to?

[Seoulstriker]

If 80 percent want the USA gone, then you should respect that. Majority rules. I think their rampant attempts and killings of Americans with udder pleasure speak for themselves.

First, it's "utter," not "udder." Damn Canadian sub-par literacy.



I was going to comment on that before. :hug:

[WARPIG]

hmm.. proven wrong over and over and over dicamus.

[Seoulstriker]

hmm.. proven wrong over and over and over dicamus.

he never learns. :(

[Beowulf]

So let's get back to discussing books again...anyone ever read anything from a dutch writer? ;)

Does Hans Christian Anderson count?

[Operation Ivy]

If 80 percent want the USA gone, then you should respect that. Majority rules. I think their rampant attempts and killings of Americans with udder pleasure speak for themselves.

First, it's "utter," not "udder." So much for superior Canadian literacy.

Second, these "rampant attempts" are being made by a minority of individuals. And according to your logic, a minority doesn't count (of course you don't seem to realize that your democratic "majority rules" statement contradicts your socialist tendencies, but that's another discussion).

Third, did you personally take a poll of every Iraqi citizen? How do you know that 80% of them want us gone?

You continue to ask for proof and sources for the facts we present, while at the same time presenting your own questionable "facts" without proof or sources. Not terribly convincing.

Also, my aunt and uncle lived in Canada for several years. They were unhappy with the inflated cost of living and outrageous tax rates (medical care was an issue as well, since their child is chronically ill). Guess where they moved back to?

Beat by a girl there Ducimus19 :petting: ....Go Nawlins! :hug:

[Skaman]

My my, its so easy to take little slip ups and warp it into a half assed attempt at an argument. Because I spelt utter (meaning absolute) wrong I am labeled as illiterate. Why, how judgmental. I would love for Nawlins to share her education achievements with the lot of us.

As for your Seoul, You are racially profiling those people that happen to follow Islam, thus you are using racial slurs.

Lastly, WARPIG, you have added some additional information which is accurate in its entirety and true to what occurred as validated by contemporary history textbooks. What I listed were a short and concise list of catalysts to the war of 1812, and no textbook nor work I know refutes such claims. Perhaps American texts include, or fail ton include such inormation. My source included: A History of the Canadian Peoples. J.M Bumstead.

Apparently you really haven’t done anything yet continuously attempt tired and tried attempts to prove me wrong.

[Trigger]

Don't quote history if you don't know it dicamus. No-one cares if you believe that you have been proven wrong. Any one with a little intelligence can see that not only are you wrong.. but too stupid to see it.
You said it all bro.

[Skaman]

As for you Operation Ivy, does making her a female make her any more or less able to defend or argue for herself?

Beaten by a girl...sounds awfully sexist to me as if you don’t recognize a females capabilities.

[Skaman]

Don't quote history if you don't know it dicamus. No-one cares if you believe that you have been proven wrong. Any one with a little intelligence can see that not only are you wrong.. but too stupid to see it.
You said it all bro.

My A- in History 216 says different.
You people need to get off the band wagon and formulate your own arguments, particularly you trigger

[Trigger]

Yeah, add sexism to your 'America Sucks' list.
ducimus, you do more whining before noon than most people do in a year.

[Seoulstriker]

As for your Seoul, You are racially profiling those people that happen to follow Islam, thus you are using racial slurs.


do you have any clue what a racial slur is??? do you know what racial profiling is??? do you even know what a race is? do you know that Islam is not a race???

do you know that i was merely telling the truth about islam?

you're clueless, eh?

[WARPIG]

It is worse still to be ignorant of your ignorance.
Of course.. it is more believeable to assume that all of us are wrong and you are smarter than us all.

Funny.. no answer to my challenge. Everyone here seems to support my prognosis of your perpetual ignorance. You haven't even made a single arguement to refute your idiocy. With every moronic statement you descend deeper and deeper into your own ignorant reality. If knowledge is freedom then you are truly a slave to your ignorance.

PS.. did everyone else see my bright red font and follow the history that disproves his BS? If I read it right the lesson doesn't really paint the US very flatteringly.

His own countrymen disagree with his take on US military spending.

[Seoulstriker]

It is worse still to be ignorant of your ignorance.
Of course.. it is more believeable to assume that all of us are wrong and you are smarter than us all.

Funny.. no answer to my challenge. Everyone here seems to support my prognosis of your perpetual ignorance. You haven't even made a single arguement to refute your idiocy. With every moronic statement you descend deeper and deeper into your own ignorant reality. If knowledge is freedom then you are truly a slave to your ignorance.

PS.. did everyone else see my bright red font and follow the history that disproves his BS? If I read it right the lesson doesn't really paint the US very flatteringly.

His own countrymen disagree with his take on US military spending.

the only thing he said in response to my demonstration of the facts of health care systems is that i am 'using racial slurs'. ????????

does he realize that he is ignorant? you're probably right: he is ignorant of his ignorance.

[Seoulstriker]

...and the poor state of our nation’s health



did you know that everyone in the US can receive health care?

did you know that france has a socialized medical system also?

did you know that 15,000 elderly died in a 'heat wave'? :roll:

did you know that if someone wants CT scans or MRI scans they must wait for that if it is provided at all?

did you know that you pay an extremely inflated price for your healthcare?

did you know that the socialized health care system is extremely inefficient and that in the US it would be dramatically worse than canada's system?

did you know that the Canadian Fraser Institute reported in August 2002, “with regard to access to high-tech machinery, Canada performs dismally by comparison with other OECD countries. While ranking number one as a health care spender [among OECD countries with publicly funded universal health care systems], Canada ranks 18th in access to MRIs, 17th in access to CT scanners, [and] eighth in access to radiation machines.”

did you know that on any given day, one million people in Britain are on a waiting list for in-patient hospital admission at any given time. While some people actually get better while waiting, others die in during the wait.


did you know that five hundred physicians leave Canada every year to practice in something other than a single-payer health care system. Zosia Kmietowicz wrote in the October 20, 2001 issue of the British Medical Journal, “one in four general practitioners (GPs) in Britain's National Health Service is seriously considering leaving general practice.” The British Medical Association surveyed all 36,000 general practitioners in Britain, asking them if they would be prepared to resign from the NHS. There was a 66 percent response rate ... and 86 percent voted in favor of resignation.


i guess that's why the US medical system is #1 in the world. :bash: :bash: :bash:

[Seoulstriker]

This is hilarious. Douchebag19 lecturing us on literacy. As has been hinted to you before, get your house in order first before you make such statements.

As for the poor health bs you're obviously spewing, no one in the U.S. is denied medical attention. Whether you could afford it or not, you will be taken great care of. There are plenty of govt. aid to assist you ie: Medicare/Medicaid. The fact that you want to compare Canada's socialised system to that of the U.S. is utter stupidity. When was the last time you heard of latest breakthroughs in modern medicine? Could you have been available to participate in the German Protocol? Whats this? Yes, they were named after German researchers who were smart enough to leave their own countries lacking system to come here and fully exploit their research in an enviroment where it would really flourished in. Even Canadian pharmaceuticals have opted to do their research in the U.S. Why is this? Don't believe me? Walk 5 minutes north from my residence. Thats where you'll find the Texas Medical Center. Home of Dr. Michael E. Debakey (http://www.fbresearch.org/about/debakey.htm), who made open heart transplant doable. and M.D. Anderson, ranked number one in world cancer research center is just an example.

Unemployment heh? 6 % compared to double digit figures from both France and Germany aint too bad.

By the way, I pay between 10-15% on income tax here in Texas, how much do you pay in your socialist country? Last checked it was around 40-60% in Europe how is it up there? Just curious.

Oh, and another thing. Why is it curiously quiet from the other Canucks? Is it that they are all in agreement with Douchebag19? ;)

[Operation Ivy]

As for you Operation Ivy, does making her a female make her any more or less able to defend or argue for herself?

Beaten by a girl...sounds awfully sexist to me as if you don’t recognize a females capabilities.

And i thought only Americans didnt have a sense of humor :roll: Im sure every guy here has used that line before as a joke when a girl beat one of there friends at something.


I would love for Nawlins to share her education achievements with the lot of us.


Well that sounds a little mean to me....are trying say you think shes stupid :bash: u say im a sexist, ur the one that seems to think Nawlins is stupid because shes a girl. Go Nawlins, prove him wrong again woot

[Skaman]

Who follows Islam? well, Islamic people. Who follow Christianity, Christians?

You ARE labeling those who follow Islam as terrorists and intentional murderers, saying that they are taught to kill. That is not true. I have Islamic friends, and I can refute what you said.

You are targeting a particular racial group that follows Islamic principles.


WARPIG, what is your point, what HAVE YOU DISPROVEN?


TYPE THIS:

I have proven DUCIMUS WRONG IN THE FOLLOWING:(list here)


Please be factual, and don’t use metaphorical terminology. Additionally use sources to validate your oh so poignant argument.

[Durandal]

Rock on, I cannot believe I missed this fight. At some point, when a thread starts out like this and you never see a comment from me...message me. :D

All the good insulting replies have been taken now. Bah!

[WARPIG]

I did that already. I listed a whole history lesson for you that showed how you take little bits and pieces of facts.. put them in your own words and use them out of context to support your own arguement. I took an international archive of war that made the US seem inept and weak.. and posted it with big red letters to show you were you got your facts wrong.
Metaphorically speaking.. it is an old magician's trick. It is called misdirection. You use show something that seems "real" but the actual actions are concealed or are not seen.
I don't have to list sources nor drown you in facts. My statements can stand alone. Just as many others have proven you wrong.. many others see your stupidity as clearly is I do.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Well you guys feel free to go n have your lil flame wars just dont rag on my country. Ducimus is only one member of our country, dont paint us all with the same brush.

Bundanski dont get me started, your ignorance is unbelieveable. I dont think theres a word created yet to sum up your lack of intelligence.
If you didnt know theres a Medical Company thats months away from making a SARs vaccine, were is it? Vancouver B.C. Thats just one example, there is many more out there.

Why do the do research in Canada? Simple, if your an foreign company your dollar goes alot farther up North then it does down South.

[Vance]

Well, I've barely talked at all in this thread, but I will post:

have proven DUCIMUS WRONG IN THE FOLLOWING: Literacy, homelesness and poverty, Bush's stance on the homeless.

[Durandal]

Why do the do research in Canada? Simple, if your an foreign company your dollar goes alot farther up North then it does down South.

But Mexico IS cheaper than Canada, plus you cando all that medical testing without all that pesky red tape. :D

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Who follows Islam? well, Islamic people. Who follow Christianity, Christians?

You ARE labeling those who follow Islam as terrorists and intentional murderers, saying that they are taught to kill. That is not true. I have Islamic friends, and I can refute what you said.

You are targeting a particular racial group that follows Islamic principles.


WARPIG, what is your point, what HAVE YOU DISPROVEN?


TYPE THIS:

I have proven DUCIMUS WRONG IN THE FOLLOWING:(list here)


Please be factual, and don’t use metaphorical terminology. Additionally use sources to validate your oh so poignant argument.

I think we can all be thankful that ducky isn't in law enforcement. He seems to be the epitome of the sucker that's born every minute. In fact, metaphorically speaking, if lions attacked his village, he'd no doubt go out hunting zebra, just so he didn't hurt anybody's feelings.

Is it not a fact that all the 9/11 terrorists were Islamic? Were they not all of middle eastern descent? Should we not then look towards others of the same circle of assiociation to find others with similar interests?

I guess we could go after those bastard Episcopalians who are always blowing up our large buildings.

[Durandal]

I guess we could go after those bastard Episcopalians who are always blowing up our large buildings.

Don't forget Lutherans...

*shudder*

:D

[StarvingStudent47]

My A- in History 216 says different.
You people need to get off the band wagon and formulate your own arguments, particularly you trigger

Jesus, man. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR ACADEMIC TRANSCRIPT. Especially if you can't back it up. Bragging about grades in history classes doesn't make up for blatant historical inaccuracies in your posts. Bragging about your advanced English classes doesn't make up for frequent grammar and spelling errors.

You're not the most educated person here. And even if you do have a more advanced degree than some people here, a degree is nothing more than a piece of paper. If you're smart, SHOW IT. Don't just tell us you're smart, because frankly, we don't believe you. I've met high school students who have a better grasp on history, grammar, and good old common sense than you ever have.

So quit bragging about your university classes. WE ARE NOT IMPRESSED.

[Beowulf]

word

[Skaman]

Simple as this, America has reasons to invade Canada, such as:

1. Believes Canada is sponsoring and Supporting Tuchmeseas attacks on the USA

2. British officials are stopping American vessels frequently for those who are jumping ship

3. The USA fears Britain and wants them removed from the continent, additionally they want to tap into the rich north and achieve the greater American "manifest destiny"


4.The war is fought among the great lakes, American forces are pushed back as far as Washington where the White House is burned down. The name "white" is given to it, because it had to be white washed.






The United States declared war against Great Britain on June 18, 1812. Although war had been avoided for several years, the continued harassment of U.S. ships and impressment of American sailors by the British pushed the nations to the brink. Despite protests from pro-English Federalists in Congress, President James Madison, at the time of his reelection, had determined that there was no other solution.(my number 2)

For the first two years of the war, the fighting was confined to Canada, the Great Lakes, and the high seas. Great Britain was preoccupied with their simultaneous war against France and did not have the resources to devote attention to both fronts. The war was distant from the people of Washington. But once Great Britain overthrew Napoleon in April 1814, it consolidated its forces against the United States. The fighting moved down the Atlantic coast towards the Chesapeake Bay.(my number 4.)

After a disastrous battle at Bladensburg, Maryland, which President Madison witnessed, American forces retreated. The British turned their sights on Washington. Enemy troops(Canadian/British/Native) marched to Washington and burned the major government buildings, including the White House and Capitol. Although burning the city was primarily in retaliation for the torching of the Canadian capitol, York (now Toronto), the British also hoped to disgrace President Madison and to divide the country once again. Fortunately, the fire did not have the desired effect. After several more months of war, including the needless but successful Battle of New Orleans, the United States declared victory, ratifying the Treaty of Ghent on February 17, 1815. For more information on the War of 1812 consult your textbook or see the(my number 4)



http://www.whitehousehistory.org/04/subs/04_b_1812.html



Tecumseh’s name - often translated to mean Shooting Star - is a fitting symbol of an extraordinary life. He burst onto the violent and unstable frontier that was the south and west territory of the Great Lakes in the second half of the eighteenth century. Some forty-five years later, in the fall of 1813, he was killed amidst the battle cries and gun shots of the Battle of Moraviantown. In the meantime he blazed into history as arguably the greatest Indian warrior and political leader of all time, and ultimately lived up to his promise to protect Indian territory and traditions or to die trying.
Tecumseh’s stature is proven by the fact that after the War of 1812 both sides came to view him as one of the conflict’s most appealing characters. To Canadians he became a heroic ally who played an essential role in saving Upper Canada, while Americans viewed him as an honourable enemy who fought bravely to defend his people(my number 1)
http://www.galafilm.com/1812/e/people/tecumseh.html

I AM SORRY WARPIG, THESE ARE THE FACTS

[Vance]

Just be a jerk, Canadian troops didn't burn down the White House, the Brits did. :P

[Skaman]

I don’t have my degree yet, not for two years. I am merely a 2nd year History major going into his second semester. I am not going to post my transcript for confidentiality reasons.

Additionally, I would like you to show me some evidence of my lack of grammar and spelling errors.

I have taken care in recent weeks to check my spelling as this forum is oh so picky. Additionally, don’t harp on me for being colloquial; this is a web site for Christ sake.

[Durandal]

Additionally, I would like you to show me some evidence of my lack of grammar and spelling errors.

If you insist...


1. Believes Canada is sponsoring and Supporting Tuchmeseas attacks on the USA

His name was Tecumseh.

[WARPIG]

Dicamus19 wrote

I AM SORRY WARPIG, THESE ARE THE FACTS

Yes you are .. sorry, that is.
First real fact you've posted all day.

Find your own grammer mistakes. Just click on your profile.. copy and past your posts to a word document.. and use spell check!
Grammer is a non issue. Your facts are what prove your ignorance. Compare your last historical assesment with the first. Taken out of context the same way I took your quote and used it.

[Seiyuuki]

Majority rules.

Majority rules = Mobs rules, Direct Democracy never work. Majoring in History, you should know better!!!


My A- in History 216 says different.
You people need to get off the band wagon and formulate your own arguments, particularly you trigger

Is that A- an "A minus" or an "A hyphen?"

[Deuterium]

Christ this is a kid (ducimus) I've been talking to in college???? No wonder he has no clue about world events. He hasn't experienced anything with the exception of TV and movies. No wonder he is so clueless.

[JiJoMacLE45]

It's easy to come up with the answers when your jacking to internet **** and playing beer pong in the good ol' dorm room. Did your wacked out liberal college profs give you these ideas DoucheBag19 or did you formulate them all by yourself.

I hate higher education.

[Skaman]

No clue about World EVENTS? What you think I live in a bubble? For the sake of argument, let me tell you what I have done:

I have completed My basic and ql2 ql3 infantry course among a variety of other additional courses
-comms
-mountain ops
-spt weapons

I was a firefighter while our province was in flames much like what was happening in California.

-I have scaled the Rocky Mountains

-I have a government scholarship that pays for half of all my post secondary studies

-Graduated from High School on top of my class

I scuba dive, rock-climb, practice Hapkido. I have traveled to Europe, USA, and Central America. I am soon to be going to the Balkans.

First Aid qualified


Care to lay out your resume before you ridicule me.


How ignorant of you to think a 19 year old lacks the comprehension to put up a decent argument. 1/2 the members of this site cant even buy a beer remember. You are in company of younger individuals mind you.

[Vance]

I wonder what scuba-diving, rock climbing, and scaling the Rocky Mountains has to do with world events.

[Operation Ivy]

Nerd :D ............it was a joke :P

[JiJoMacLE45]

Kid, it's not that you don't put up a decent arguement(well you don't really) but instead of handling your business in a civil manner, you take every opportunity provided to go thrashing about like a bull in a China shop pissing off many members of this little virtual community we have here with your ignorance and your incessant rants and petty name calling games which you have indulged yourself in with many members of this board.

Grow up. Respect is earned, not given. When you start acting like a man, you'll be treated like one.

[James]

American sub-par literacy and education rates, homelessness, unemployment, drug-abuse, murder+crime, expensive health care, impovrished homes, ghettoes. These are all things that could be correcting to benefit and raise the social standing of the USA. Instead the USA attempts to stablize a nation that will always be in a chaos, rife with social, and economic fragmentation, not to mention destruction and death.

Without getting into what the U.S. is doing in Iraq, you've brought out a point that differentiates the U.S. from so many other places. Our country was founded on the basis of personal freedom, and I think that most Americans don't expect anything from the U.S. Government. Our government exists to protect our freedoms, not to take care of us.

[Durandal]

Our country was founded on the basis of personal freedom, and I think that most Americans don't expect anything from the U.S. Government. Our government exists to protect our freedoms, not to take care of us.

Elegant and to the point. Hoooorah!

[Seoulstriker]

Who follows Islam? well, Islamic people. Who follow Christianity, Christians?

You ARE labeling those who follow Islam as terrorists and intentional murderers, saying that they are taught to kill. That is not true. I have Islamic friends, and I can refute what you said.

You are targeting a particular racial group that follows Islamic principles.


WARPIG, what is your point, what HAVE YOU DISPROVEN?





all i said before was what the teachings of Islam represent. all i said was that Islam teaches that people who do not covert to Islam must:

1) become the slave of the Muslim.

2) if he/she refuses, he/she must be killed.

it's that simple.

where in the above statement am i racist?

[Deuterium]

No clue about World EVENTS? What you think I live in a bubble? For the sake of argument, let me tell you what I have done:

I have completed My basic and ql2 ql3 infantry course among a variety of other additional courses
-comms
-mountain ops
-spt weapons

I was a firefighter while our province was in flames much like what was happening in California.

-I have scaled the Rocky Mountains

-I have a government scholarship that pays for half of all my post secondary studies

-Graduated from High School on top of my class

I scuba dive, rock-climb, practice Hapkido. I have traveled to Europe, USA, and Central America. I am soon to be going to the Balkans.

First Aid qualified


Care to lay out your resume before you ridicule me.


How ignorant of you to think a 19 year old lacks the comprehension to put up a decent argument. 1/2 the members of this site cant even buy a beer remember. You are in company of younger individuals mind you.


You've shown your ignorance and unwillingness to concede an argument NUMEROUS times on this forum. I really thought I was talking to some lib that had been around the block a time or two but I find out you're just a youngster. I don't fault you for that. I was EXTREMELY ideologically motivated at that age myself. I'm sorry but at 19 you lack the maturity, world experience, basic living experience, and time on the target to truly have ANY informed opinion on much about life, the universe, or anything. Of course this is MY opinion, I could be wrong. But unlike you I admit when I'm wrong. I see all the classic signs of faulty logic in most of your arguments. Do we have common ground on some things? Sure, undoubtedly. But I do find fault in your incessant continuation of arguments in the face of contradictory facts. There is NO HARM in admitting you're wrong. THIS IS A SIGN OF MATURITY. The one thing you'll find out as you get older is how much you don't know. The sad thing is how you don't understand this. One big clue of this is how often YOU are the only person on one side of an argument. It could be that you are the only correct person.... but I doubt that is the case. You certainly have an intense hatred of America. You probably won't admit it, but it's quite obvious to the rest of us. In the future....Bring it on!!!! Most of us here like a good heated argument. Please try to back your statements with facts. It's OK to concede some points. It's OK to admit you screwed up this or that fact. It doesn't mean your whole argument is fallacious. I don’t want you to think like me or anyone else on the board.

[Deuterium]

Oh and my resume I'll PM it to you.

[James]

Oh and my resume I'll PM it to you.

Oh damn... rofl

Come now, Deuterium... have you really done things like complete basic training, graduate from high school, get out of your home town, etc? ;)

Tell the truth.

[Beowulf]

Oh and my resume I'll PM it to you.

ohhhh sheeet, Now look what you've gone and done.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Good Christ on a polo pony - he's only 19 and still in school. Well that does explain a lot & I'm no longer convinced he's an idiot. Instead he's a fairly well spoken lad who has yet to come out of the fog of youth. And very much in line with the educational establishment's worldview.

Some of us old bastards have had a lot more time to observe how the world works first hand & form our own opinions based upon more than the regurgitation of some school assignment.

[Trigger]

Just 'cuz you're an assclown duc:

No clue about World EVENTS? What you think I live in a bubble? No, more like a petrie dish For the sake of argument, let me tell you what I have done: what, again?

I have completed My basic and ql2 ql3 infantry course among a variety of other additional courses
-comms
-mountain ops
-spt weapons
Should we all line up and kiss your ass now?
I was a firefighter while our province was in flames much like what was happening in California.

-I have scaled the Rocky Mountains Wow! all of them? I've scaled fish before, it's not very fun.

-I have a government scholarship that pays for half of all my post secondary studies Who paid for your studies before now? They got robbed

-Graduated from High School on top of my class What, like in a human pyramid?

I scuba dive, rock-climb, practice Hapkido is that like origami? Cool, me too!. I have traveled to Europe, USA, and Central America. I am soon to be going to the Balkans Make sure you call and tell them first, so they can have plenty of wooden stakes on hand..

First Aid qualified


Care to lay out your resume before you ridicule me Oops! too late.


How ignorant of you to think a 19 year old lacks the comprehension to put up a decent argument It's not a matter of 'thinking'. You are constantly proving yourself an idiot.. 1/2 the members of this site cant even buy a beer remember Too bad, many deserve to more than you. You are in company of younger individuals mind you and in your case, individuals with sub-zero IQs.

I D I O T
I said that real slow, so you get it.

[hahaha]

I've been arrested in four states for sodomising goats

I've climbed the hill behind my house
-also the big hill behind Eugene Terre Blanches' house, hehe

I sell my arse for crack

I can lick my own balls (I know you're jealous :D )

[jizzmonkey]

Sometimes civillians annoy me
Hint hint


Im not a civillian

dude, JROTC doesn't count. As as individual you have the right to an opinion, allthough, your lack of expierence limit its validity.

Thats the way it goes. Dont be so eager to grow up. It'll happen sooner than you want.

[Ratamacue]

Ducimus is a reservist in Canada. So he's half-civilian.

[jizzmonkey]

Ducimus is a reservist in Canada. So he's half-civilian.

OHHHHHHH **** he's canadian??!, thats explains it.

no offense to the rest of you Canooks, PPCLI rocks!, in that case one of you real Canadian soldiers need to find this Piss-ant and put a boot up his Turd-clipper! EEY

[California Joe]

Motherf*cker, this kid will argue with a goddamned wall. He's got guts or tourettes. I'm not sure which yet. I can't believe I read 12 pages of him arguing with everyone else in here. It's rather comical but you just want to grab him and shake him don't you?

[jizzmonkey]

Motherf*cker, this kid will argue with a goddamned wall. He's got guts or tourettes. I'm not sure which yet. I can't believe I read 12 pages of him arguing with everyone else in here. It's rather comical but you just want to grab him and shake him don't you?

Ditto!

[mocking_loudly_died]

Man, my balls stink today.

What? - this topic isn't any better.

[Seiyuuki]

I'M SANTA CLAUS!!!

[StarvingStudent47]

You know what are useless? Pinkie toes. When they're healthy, they don't do a darned thing to make your life better. But when they're injured, they screw everything up. I sprained my pinkie toe on monday (stubbed it real hard) and it's hurt to walk ever since. I'm considering amputating both of them. I mean, when the darned toe finally heals, it will be officially USELESS again. What's the point? My appendix has done more for me than this darned toe has.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc5.jpg

[California Joe]

I have webbed toes.

[usa320]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc5.jpg


Its a very rare occasion when one actually wants to see that picture.













Usually Hijacking is a bad thing.














This is one of those very rare occasions, when you were dying for someone to Hijack the **** outta this thread, because it sucks monkey balls.[/quote]

[HooyahCQB]

Ducimus, the US economy is up 6%, which is pretty good. Mr. Bush's tax cuts have effectively stimulated the economy and people are buying more products. 1 US Dollar = 1.31250 Canadian Dollar -hmmmmm...........

In addition, this holiday season is expected to be one of the greatest for the economy as people are buying more and businesses are making money. It's called Economics.

Canadian Reserve? It's a wonder to me how a member of a US ally's armed forces can be so critical of this country, but yet ignore topics around the world. I'll give you an example. In China many men cross borders into Mongolia and other bordering countries and take women back across to force mariage and to rape and assault these women. China has a bad trade policy, although it has started to open up to imports (not only from the US, mind you), China prodomanently exports goods only. How about you talk to them about this stuff.

Every day people from Mexico and other Latin American countries try their best and risk jail to come across the border to the land of oppourtunity. Even many of your own citizens cross the northern borders to seek medical attention in the US because they'd rather get proper treatment over here and pay, rather than in Canada for "free".

In a 2002 estimate, Canada has a 7.6% unemployment rate. 72.7% of Canada's imports come from the United States. 84.6% of Canada's exports go to the United States (wow, Canada REALLY depends on the US economy to stay alive, is THAT what pisses you off?). How about you do something with your own country before you try to do something about mine?

[usa320]

****mus sucks

http://www.geocities.com/spacev2001/CaptainPlanet.jpg

[usa320]

Recent Photo of Dicmus.

http://www.geocities.com/spacev2001/wtfcanadian.JPG

[USMarine3521]

Ducimus, the US economy is up 6%, which is pretty good. Mr. Bush's tax cuts have effectively stimulated the economy and people are buying more products. 1 US Dollar = 1.31250 Canadian Dollar -hmmmmm...........

In addition, this holiday season is expected to be one of the greatest for the economy as people are buying more and businesses are making money. It's called Economics.

Canadian Reserve? It's a wonder to me how a member of a US ally's armed forces can be so critical of this country, but yet ignore topics around the world. I'll give you an example. In China many men cross borders into Mongolia and other bordering countries and take women back across to force mariage and to rape and assault these women. China has a bad trade policy, although it has started to open up to imports (not only from the US, mind you), China prodomanently exports goods only. How about you talk to them about this stuff.

Every day people from Mexico and other Latin American countries try their best and risk jail to come across the border to the land of oppourtunity. Even many of your own citizens cross the northern borders to seek medical attention in the US because they'd rather get proper treatment over here and pay, rather than in Canada for "free".

In a 2002 estimate, Canada has a 7.6% unemployment rate. 72.7% of Canada's imports come from the United States. 84.6% of Canada's exports go to the United States (wow, Canada REALLY depends on the US economy to stay alive, is THAT what pisses you off?). How about you do something with your own country before you try to do something about mine?

very nice post man, unfortunately he will not take that post seriously because supposedly you are not at the same level that he is in.... :roll: :roll: rofl

[HooyahCQB]

Thanks Marine, though I want all to read those facts and figures and dispell some lies

[Skaman]

Ducimus, the US economy is up 6%, which is pretty good. Mr. Bush's tax cuts have effectively stimulated the economy and people are buying more products. 1 US Dollar = 1.31250 Canadian Dollar -hmmmmm...........

In addition, this holiday season is expected to be one of the greatest for the economy as people are buying more and businesses are making money. It's called Economics.

Canadian Reserve? It's a wonder to me how a member of a US ally's armed forces can be so critical of this country, but yet ignore topics around the world. I'll give you an example. In China many men cross borders into Mongolia and other bordering countries and take women back across to force mariage and to rape and assault these women. China has a bad trade policy, although it has started to open up to imports (not only from the US, mind you), China prodomanently exports goods only. How about you talk to them about this stuff.

Every day people from Mexico and other Latin American countries try their best and risk jail to come across the border to the land of oppourtunity. Even many of your own citizens cross the northern borders to seek medical attention in the US because they'd rather get proper treatment over here and pay, rather than in Canada for "free".

In a 2002 estimate, Canada has a 7.6% unemployment rate. 72.7% of Canada's imports come from the United States. 84.6% of Canada's exports go to the United States (wow, Canada REALLY depends on the US economy to stay alive, is THAT what pisses you off?). How about you do something with your own country before you try to do something about mine?

These points you have highlighted are accurate entirely. I fully acknowledge Canada's dollar is only worth an American 70 cents; where our entire economic infrastructure would collapse without American backing due to our close geographical proximity and economic ties. Though you limit it to one side, you fail to include America's economic dependency on Canada which paints a skewed picture of the relationship. As for Canadians who go across the border to get medical attention: I know this is the case for selected individuals who would rather wait a month than five months, they have that option and that’s fine. Those who can afford it should take full advantage of the American independent medical sector. I think its a blessing we as Canadians have avalibility of both free and independent medical care. Overall, while these points are accurate, they to not play a cohesive role to that of the topic: America is placing its money in the wrong place, an ill-fated war. Your facts are sound, but this thread is not comparing 'which country is better'.

Cheers

[Beowulf]

I wiil attempt to restate your argument to assure a clear understanding. (correct me if I have misunderstood your position.)

You believe that Iraq is an ill fated endeavor and that the american money going there should be used somewhere else. Namely social programs.

Is this an accurate summation of your views?

[EvanL]

Ducimus, the US economy is up 6%, which is pretty good. Mr. Bush's tax cuts have effectively stimulated the economy and people are buying more products. 1 US Dollar = 1.31250 Canadian Dollar -hmmmmm...........

In addition, this holiday season is expected to be one of the greatest for the economy as people are buying more and businesses are making money. It's called Economics.

Canadian Reserve? It's a wonder to me how a member of a US ally's armed forces can be so critical of this country, but yet ignore topics around the world. I'll give you an example. In China many men cross borders into Mongolia and other bordering countries and take women back across to force mariage and to rape and assault these women. China has a bad trade policy, although it has started to open up to imports (not only from the US, mind you), China prodomanently exports goods only. How about you talk to them about this stuff.

Every day people from Mexico and other Latin American countries try their best and risk jail to come across the border to the land of oppourtunity. Even many of your own citizens cross the northern borders to seek medical attention in the US because they'd rather get proper treatment over here and pay, rather than in Canada for "free".

In a 2002 estimate, Canada has a 7.6% unemployment rate. 72.7% of Canada's imports come from the United States. 84.6% of Canada's exports go to the United States (wow, Canada REALLY depends on the US economy to stay alive, is THAT what pisses you off?). How about you do something with your own country before you try to do something about mine?

These points you have highlighted are accurate entirely. I fully acknowledge Canada's dollar is only worth an American 70 cents; where our entire economic infrastructure would collapse without American backing due to our close geographical proximity and economic ties. Though you limit it to one side, you fail to include America's economic dependency on Canada which paints a skewed picture of the relationship. As for Canadians who go across the border to get medical attention: I know this is the case for selected individuals who would rather wait a month than five months, they have that option and that’s fine. Those who can afford it should take full advantage of the American independent medical sector. I think its a blessing we as Canadians have avalibility of both free and independent medical care. Overall, while these points are accurate, they to not play a cohesive role to that of the topic: America is placing its money in the wrong place, an ill-fated war. Your facts are sound, but this thread is not comparing 'which country is better'.

Cheers
Canadian dollar is actually 78cents US as of today. its climbinng at a rapid rate.

[Falco]

Crickey!! you people are really going at it. :slap: :-*$ :bash: :fork: :backhand: The way I see it both sides have put forwards good points. In my opinion, the war in Irak was justified but not for the reasons stated by the Bush administration (those were kinda lame). The US is a kind of spokeperson for the democratic world. It would have been against our values to let people live under Saddam's rule. (He would execute people by putting them through a meat grinder). But then again at the present time the US economy isn't flying very high. The US dollar is worth less than the Euro and even though the canadian dollar is only 0.766 USD it's still up from 0.65 USD.

Falco

[Skaman]

I wiil attempt to restate your argument to assure a clear understanding. (correct me if I have misunderstood your position.)

You believe that Iraq is an ill fated endeavor and that the american money going there should be used somewhere else. Namely social programs.

Is this an accurate summation of your views?

Yes, additionally America should focus on a nation that directly wants substantial intervention unlike Iraq.

[Vance]

I wiil attempt to restate your argument to assure a clear understanding. (correct me if I have misunderstood your position.)

You believe that Iraq is an ill fated endeavor and that the american money going there should be used somewhere else. Namely social programs.

Is this an accurate summation of your views?

Yes, additionally America should focus on a nation that directly wants substantial intervention unlike Iraq.
I thought we went over this about 1,000,000,000 times? The majority of the Iraqis LIKE SADDAM BEING GONE.

[Skaman]

Yet, they do not want the Americans there. The actions are blantent and speak for themselves.

[Vance]

Yet, they do not want the Americans there. The actions are blantent and speak for themselves.
So I'm guessing you interviewed EVERY Iraqi citizen in Iraq, and they all told you the same answer. Oh, and what about the ones here, who have fled from Saddam Hussien and now are living in the US? HAve you asked them, too?

[Trigger]

Yet, they do not want the Americans there. The actions are blantent and speak for themselves.
They being the terrorist insurgents. Go figure.
IDIOT!

[Haiw]

Yet, they do not want the Americans there. The actions are blantent and speak for themselves.
So I'm guessing you interviewed EVERY Iraqi citizen in Iraq, and they all told you the same answer. Oh, and what about the ones here, who have fled from Saddam Hussien and now are living in the US? HAve you asked them, too?
Hate to nitpick but you haven't interviewed 'em all either... and the few people that fled are just a tiny little minority..

[Skaman]

Mass Rallies, public demonstrations, imbedded reporter’s interpretation, interviews, terrorist attacks, murder, American killings.

This list speaks for itself; if in fact the majority of Iraq was happy with the American presence, these selected occurrences would be isolated at best, and not daily events.

[Ratamacue]

Mass rallies huh? Guess who lets them do those.

[Beowulf]

I wiil attempt to restate your argument to assure a clear understanding. (correct me if I have misunderstood your position.)

You believe that Iraq is an ill fated endeavor and that the american money going there should be used somewhere else. Namely social programs.

Is this an accurate summation of your views?

Yes, additionally America should focus on a nation that directly wants substantial intervention unlike Iraq.

Okay. As I see it there are quite a few issues rolled into this that must be addressed separately.

First there are all of the interwoven issues concerning the Iraq war. They are: US unilateral action(lack of UN support), WMD, Pre-emptive warfare (especially as a defense against terror attacks), Humanitarian reasons for the war, Iraq's terrorist ties, etc etc etc These have all been discussed ad nauseam.

To make your views more clear, you must elaborate upon them, namely what precisely about the war in Iraq don't you like? What do you like?

The second part of your opinion is that the US should be spending more of its money on Social programs instead of the war.

You must be able to prove that this is a more efficacious use of funds than the Iraq war.
Your whole argument lies upon this one point

If you can prove that then you will be proving your point. I suggest you get to work.

[California Joe]

Nice use of "efficacious". Kudos. *golf clap for literacy*

[Beowulf]

You must first understand that the US is a capitalist system. We are founded upon a tradition of liberty and private property. Large scale social spending (read redistribution of wealth) is a denial of the right to private property.

As far as the Iraqis not wanting us there....here are some Gallup polls.



In the first rigorous, scientifically conducted sampling of public
sentiment in Iraq, residents of the country's capital say -- by a 2-to-1
margin -- that the ousting of Saddam Hussein was worth any hardships
they might have personally suffered since the U.S. and British-led
invasion (62% yes, 30% no).

Looking to the future, however, the overwhelming expectation is for
improvement. Fully two-thirds (67%) believe that Iraq will be somewhat
(35%) or much (32%) better off five years from now than it was before
the Hussein regime was ousted, while only a small minority (8%)
expects that the country will be worse off (4% somewhat, 4% much)
than it was before the U.S. and British-led invasion.

Despite this modest assessment, half (50%) of all Baghdadis say they
think the CPA is now doing a better job overall than was the case two
months ago, while just 14% think the CPA's performance has gotten
worse over that period, and one in three (33%) sees no difference. In
addition, as noted above, senior CPA administrator Bremer appears to
be well thought of personally.

Only one in four Baghdad residents (26%) told Gallup they would prefer
coalition forces to "leave immediately -- say, in the next few months."
Seven in 10 (72%) said U.S. and British troops should stay in Iraq for
"a longer period of time."

Furthermore, a substantial 85% of Baghdad's residents said they agree
with the assertion that "some people believe if the U.S. were to pull out
its troops any time soon, Iraq will fall into anarchy."

While opinions differ as to which specific groups are behind attacks on
U.S. troops and what their motives are, a majority of Baghdad's
residents -- 64% -- view them as either somewhat (22%) or completely
(42%) unjustifiable.

All told, however, positive assessments of U.S. troops' conduct
outnumber negative assessments by a 2-to-1 margin (58% positive,
29% negative). Of those who gave negative assessments, more than
half (58%) said their opinion is based on things they have personally
witnessed, while 42% said their opinions were based on things they
have heard.

[Vance]

Yet, they do not want the Americans there. The actions are blantent and speak for themselves.
So I'm guessing you interviewed EVERY Iraqi citizen in Iraq, and they all told you the same answer. Oh, and what about the ones here, who have fled from Saddam Hussien and now are living in the US? HAve you asked them, too?
Hate to nitpick but you haven't interviewed 'em all either... and the few people that fled are just a tiny little minority..
Well what he is basically saying is that NO ONE in Iraq wants us there. Likewise, I have never said that all Iraqis want us there, because that is simply not true.

Oh, and 90,000 Iraqi immigrants living in the US ain't half bad :D Even if it is a minority.