Bush's PR problem

[Skaman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27057-2003Dec1.html?referrer=emailarticle

[budanski]

Baghdad visit gives big boost to Bush (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031202-104859-8090r.htm)
BUSH APPROVAL RATING UP 5 POINTS TO 61%!!! (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-wh/2003/dec/02/120201843.html)

[NcDeuce]

Let's talk about ducimus19's PR problem.

[Trigger]

Damn you budanski!
Why do you keep knocking over his house of cards?
Monkeys...sheesh!

[Trigger]

Let's talk about ducimus19's PR problem.
PR=Perpetually Retarded

[Skaman]

Except bush cant show his face anywhere in the World!

[Seoulstriker]

Damn you budanski!
Why do you keep knocking over his house of cards?
Monkeys...sheesh!

i am really surprised with budanski: knocking 'em down one after another. :D

monkeys of the world unite! woot

[Trigger]

Except bush cant show his face anywhere in the World!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Damn, they said you didn't have a sense of humor....oh, wait.

[Red]

Except bush cant show his face anywhere in the World!
i know why you are anti-bush,someone who looked like bush molested you when you were a child?but the thing i dont get is i thought on your planet Zog kid aliens could not be molested because they did not have entry holes

[Trigger]

he was an illegal immigrant to Zog, you know a 'slimeback'.

[Red]

he was an illegal immigrant to Zog, you know a 'slimeback'. :lol: :D :P

[Deuterium]

Except bush cant show his face anywhere in the World!

Oh man I didn't think about that. Looks like he'll never get enough electoral votes in Belgium to allow him to win the election, oh wait, only Americans can vote.

[Red]

hey duck ****19 be carefull before you see black space ships from your rival planet Ogg coming to zao you with some deadly blaster rays

[Trident-za]

What a display of rational, educated debate!

I don't really care about Bush's popularity or the lack thereof - US politics hold no appeal for me, but I read the article.... it doesn't mention local popularity at all, its all about foreign popularity. Apart from one single comment about the fact that non-US people dont get to vote, it seems like you all just avoided the issue. Is it a legitimate issue? Should the average American care? What effect will this have over the next few years?

No offence intended, just my 2c worth (might be worth less than that though).

[wholagun]

No offence intended, just my 2c worth (might be worth less than that though).




No I'd say its worth even more then that. Especially when I hear about some Americans cancelling or changing their vacation plans no longer wanting to go to countreis whey they use to be welcome, now they are taunted by some in foriegn countries.

[Trigger]

@Trident-za:
Trident, if you had started this thread, you would have most likely gotten a variety of well thought out, rational responses. Unfortunately, ducimus19 started this one and he is simply reaping what he has sown around here. Sorry you had to walk into the crossfire, but now you know.

[Trident-za]

OK, I understand that Trigger... pity, though, that people tend to ignore issues based on who posted it....

We have the same thing in here in South Africa - BIG time. If a non-ANC political party announced today that it was December, all other political parties would automatically call them liars. Its worse in Zimbabwe, where the ONLY non-government run newspaper has been declared illegal - supposedly for not getting the appropriate publishing license, but anyone with a braincell can figure that its for publishing non-pro government stories....

The way in which non-government news is "received" is an issue thats affects me on a daily basis, unfortunately. I don't know how much news you "foreign" guys get about South Africa, but here is some reality to consider....

Over the past 2 to 3 years there has been an investigative unit know as the Scorpions (trained by the FBI) who have done some amazing things in terms of corruprion and crime busting. The ANC said they were basically the best thing since sliced bread (good crime-busting stats, made the AC look good)... right up until the Scorpions started investegating ANC officials (including the vice-president) for corruption. Suddenely, ANC members of parliament start debating the mandate of the Scorpions..... and just when things start to look really bad for the ANC, there is a "national commission" set up to discover whether the (ANC-appointed) head of the Scorpions was an apartheid spy.

Talk about confusing the issues with political bull****. The commission has now run for about a month (tax payers paying for it, of course) and the accusers have been made to look like ****heads. The head of the Scorpions is likely gonna get "proven" innocent, but the purpose of the whole excercise for the ANC has been worth it.... for the last 4 weeks the media has NOT focused on ANC corruption but rather on the "spy" issue.

The whole point of this long story is - it worries me when people react to issues that are negative to their particular political viewpoints by AVOIDING the issue and slandering the bearer of the news. I'm not saying that Duck is right, but it is very easy to confound the issue(s) by attacking the person rather than the issues...... its done all the time in 3rd world countries.

[WARPIG]

Just a little thought. How many US presidents were ever "popularly" accepted internationally? Anti US sentiment has been a common thing in the world for a long time. Not necessarily a hatred of the US or thier leaders but for many just a collective razzing of the USA. US presidents are elected by a country that has one of the worst voting records globally. Inversly, they (US Presidents) seem to have the most power as well.

[The Walrus]

Just a little thought. How many US presidents were ever "popularly" accepted internationally?

The word Clinton does spring to mind...

[Seoulstriker]

Just a little thought. How many US presidents were ever "popularly" accepted internationally?

The word Clinton does spring to mind...

it's funny you say 'spring'. :P


anyway, the world probably 'popular' around the world because he was taking the US to hell in a handbasket. :|

[Durandal]

Looks like he'll never get enough electoral votes in Belgium ...

rofl

[Durandal]

The word Clinton does spring to mind...

Let's be honest though...

[Zach R.]

Yeah, Carter definately rings a bell.

DING DONG!

[WARPIG]

Carter is internationally popular. Now. He wasn't as much when in office though. Most well "liked" US presidents so far though. Clinton was tolerated because he said what everyone wanted to hear most of the time.
More media attention now.. most Presidents get real negative PR when they have a war to deal with during their term.
For the supposed "strong armed' tactics that Bush is accused of globally.. he isn't doing too bad really. I would expect worse.

[Durandal]

Carter is internationally popular. Now. He wasn't as much when in office though.

I am not too sure about that. I am not a big Carter fan, but on an international level he was pretty well respected. He changed the foreign aid policy, making it support nations with better human rights policies and his handling of the Egyptian/Israel peace process was fairly good...though Anwar Sadat was the risk taker in htose negotiations...and paid the ultimate price for it.

The Europeans seemed to have liked him, especially the people,if not the politicians. I was in Europe duriing his presidency (right when John Wayne died if I recalled) and there was certainly not the usually anti-America rhetoric you started hearing since Reagan took office. it has gone on ever since (even during Clinton).

[WARPIG]

I was a little young then.. but that sounds right. You think it is because of the leadership? Or maybe the progress of the media? More and more military and government details are open to media scrutiny.

[IDFM203]

Carter is internationally popular. Now. He wasn't as much when in office though.

I am not too sure about that. I am not a big Carter fan, but on an international level he was pretty well respected. He changed the foreign aid policy, making it support nations with better human rights policies and his handling of the Egyptian/Israel peace process was fairly good...though Anwar Sadat was the risk taker in htose negotiations...and paid the ultimate price for it.

). Carter was a terrible U.S. president. That’s not a international opinion but rather a American one (right??), and that’s what counts. Now as such he has tried to negate that BIG fact by doing what he is doing now and since but still……… :roll:

As to why Europeans like him, well he perhaps follows and listens to their interests more then Americas ;) ……


Now a bit off topic for this thread so I will put it in parenthesis
(Oh and about Israel/Egypt well that’s all he has but just to add to what you wrote, yes Anwar Sadat took a risk but that was only him persoanlly for it was Israel and its people that took the real risk. I mean Israel is still taking that risk while Egypt is not. Israel gave up that huge buffer zone and got back what exactly???? :roll: Most Egyptians go on with their pure hatred of Israel as if there was never an agreement signed, and on top of all that, now Egypt has its military equipped with all the American arms it can ask for and it also gets billions in aid. So I don’t really see any risk that Egypt took but I sure as hell see the risk that Israel did and is still taking. Oh and lastly even without that “peace” deal, there would not be any war anyways for Egypt couldn’t at the time possibly win one against Israel with what they had nor would they even consider starting one again for besides israel's strong military, Israel's strong nuclear deterrent assures that as well (although now with their American arms it is bridging the gap a lot……and with the increasing Islamic fundamentalism in that country well……….. :| :roll: :| ) )

So to say the least, I am not the biggest carter fan as well.

shalom :D

[WARPIG]

Whoa!! Misfire! Slap, Pull, Observe, Release, Tap, Squeeze!
This was a generalization post. Not everyone likes Carter.. He seemed generally liked. In retrospect anyway.
Bush however seems to be rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. The US in general is split with him. The war isn't the only factor in this. US people I think are a little unhappy with the clique that is running things in his corner. Internationally though, Bush is not well liked. Not, many leaders are when a war is involved.

[IDFM203]

Whoa!! Misfire! Slap, Pull, Observe, Release, Tap, Squeeze! well I put most of my post in parenthesis and acknowledged off topic so if that was directed towards me well its a misfire ;)


This was a generalization post. Not everyone likes Carter.. He seemed generally liked. In retrospect anyway.
no I get you. I am not referring to international opinion. I could be wrong and I will defer to people living in America here but at the finish of his presidency, he had one of the lowest approval ratings of all time (correct??) and was/is considered a terrible president (again correct??) now as years go by as with anything, people lighten up a bit and that clouds the facts that I just pointed out.

Now what he has done since he left office is a whole other ball game and perhaps its why people that didn’t like him as president, have perhaps became a bit more endearing to him.

that’s all about Americans as for international opinion, well he was a bad president and the result is that Europeans like him, well that says it all ;)

oh and what he has done since that has a factor as well!

Shalom :D

[WARPIG]

Bah! I never misfire! And stop winking at me.. I am homophobic. rofl

[IDFM203]

Bah! I never misfire! And stop winking at me.. I am homophobic. roflok no more winks..... :D rofl ( I am too but hot damn even on a computer you are, well you my freind take the cake as the ultimate............ :D )

shalom :hug:

[WARPIG]

Last chance for me to razz you for a little while. I am going to another leadership school for a few weaks. I don't know if I will have any opportunity to get near a computer.
God Bless.. and watch those misfires!

[IDFM203]

Last chance for me to razz you for a little while. I am going to another leadership school for a few weaks. I don't know if I will have any opportunity to get near a computer.
God Bless.. and watch those misfires!your razzeling me?!? rofl rofl

Well good luck at that school :D

As for misfires, yeah I will be watching out for more of those from you or others ;) (hey I had to throw that one in at least once more before you go off to school :D )

Shalom :D

[Durandal]

Last chance for me to razz you for a little while. I am going to another leadership school for a few weaks. I don't know if I will have any opportunity to get near a computer.
God Bless.. and watch those misfires!

In case you are not back before the end of December...Happy Holidays man.