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Vance
12-03-2003, 04:42 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20031203/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_827


BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi political parties and coalition authorities are discussing the creation of a 1,000-member militia to bolster the U.S. military's fight against a guerrilla insurgency, U.S. and Iraqi officials said Wednesday.

The militia would be formed by uniting fighters from five Iraqi political parties under the joint leadership of the U.S. military and the emerging Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, American officials in Baghdad and Washington said on condition of anonymity.


Also Wednesday, U.S. soldiers captured a former Iraqi general suspected of recent contacts with Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). In another raid, Iraqi police and U.S. troops seized a close aide to a radical Shiite Muslim cleric who opposes the U.S. occupation.


If created, the paramilitary battalion would represent a significant policy reversal by Washington. The United States previously declared private militias illegal and called on Iraqi political leaders to disband the groups.


The Pentagon (news - web sites)'s policy chief said Wednesday the United States would welcome militia members into the Iraqi security forces as long as they agreed to drop their previous party affiliations.


"We are willing to take people into these forces as long as when they come in they are not operating as members of these other (militia) forces," Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith said in Washington.


The militia members would be recruited as individuals, not as intact units, Feith said.


"We are not looking to preserve militias as such," Feith said.


The current president of the Iraqi Governing Council, Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim, a Shiite Muslim, said the idea of a joint militia was a good one. He said the country's five or so individual militias have won credibility for fighting Saddam's regime for more than 20 years, and could root out that regime's remnants now.


"At this stage, we should try to make use of any force, any tribal clan and any individual that can help," he said, adding that the militias should be centrally controlled, as the Americans have stipulated. "They will have a role to play in the fight against terrorism."


In Fallujah, 30 miles west of Baghdad, soldiers from the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division captured former Brig. Gen. Daham al-Mahemdi, an ex-colonel of the elite Republican Guard who was promoted to general immediately before the war, the U.S. military said.


Al-Mahmedi is suspected of keeping in indirect contact with Saddam, while directing guerrilla attacks on U.S. soldiers in Fallujah. Al-Mahmedi was seized without a struggle, along with a pair of AK-47 automatic rifles and other weapons, the military statement said.


In Baghdad, U.S. soldiers and Iraqi police arrested a close aide to a radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt.


Amar Yassiri had been seized in a joint raid in Sadr City, a poor and mainly Shiite district in eastern Baghdad which serves as al-Sadr's main power base.


Kimmitt said Yassiri had been arrested on suspicion of involvement in an Oct. 12 ambush on U.S. troops in Baghdad in which two soldiers died. Kimmitt described Yassiri as al-Sadr's operations chief in Sadr City, which was known as Saddam City until the U.S. invasion.


Al-Sadr, a harsh U.S. critic, enjoys significant support among Iraq (news - web sites)'s underprivileged and young Shiites. Two months ago, he announced plans to form a rival government but abandoned the idea after drawing little support.


Al-Sadr supporters, who also advocate a strict interpretation of Islamic Sharia laws, have staged several large anti-U.S. protests in recent months and clashed with U.S. forces and followers of other Shiite clerics.

Anti-guerrila. Sounds cool. Hopefully this won't create more destruction and civvie deaths but stop these guerrilas for good.

Argyll
12-03-2003, 06:45 PM
And how effective would the screening be for these militias?
As it seems that there are Iraqi Police who are still sympathetic to the old regime,and have been passing on classified info such as troop movements etc!

96B
12-03-2003, 06:50 PM
Being that we need tens of thousands of Iraqi police, we are essentially running them through the training as fast as possible whereas with these militias numbering so few in comparison, we can be more thorough and picky with its participants. Once again it is far improved over sitting around hoping for the best.

One?
12-03-2003, 11:07 PM
No one likes the old regime and no one likes the new regime either. The US runs everything in Iraq the council has no say. So why would they shut up and let the west decide for them. Unless the US hands the power over to the council then all these attacks would stop.

No one wants saddam back. Even if a million want hiim back there are 18 other million Iraqis that dont.

Ratamacue
12-03-2003, 11:22 PM
The US can't hand over control until the country is restabilized. An Iraqi government given power right now would not be able to handle everything.

Skaman
12-03-2003, 11:30 PM
Its kind of catch 22, the US has to be there until the nation is stablized, and yet it will never be stablzied while the USA is there. hmmmm.......

Zach R.
12-03-2003, 11:42 PM
That's right. Not until all the terrorists are either dead or arrested. Give it another 3 months. I think you'll see some major changes between now and then.

One?
12-04-2003, 12:44 AM
The US can't hand over control until the country is restabilized. An Iraqi government given power right now would not be able to handle everything.

Thats true, but they should work with the local council and give them some sort of power. Right now the US decides what goes in and out. They decide what to buil and what not. You know what I mean? When the Iraqis feel that they are in control then all that would change. They would have no reason to attack american soldeirs.


Although they fail to see that the soldeirs are also helping the local population with medical aid that they lacked for over 10 years.

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-04-2003, 01:13 AM
Well the situation needs to be stabilized, plus a proper security force to take over control of Iraq (border guards,police,army) Starting a militia is a good idea just make sure these guys have jobs in the security sector after the militia is disbanded, otherwise you have 1000 well trained Iraqi's with nothing to do.

PsihoKeke
12-04-2003, 01:40 AM
Starting this militia is a bad idea. Militia members will listen to their party leaders and not to their commanders. Legalasing political armed forces will lead to more unwanted bloodshed as this forces will be used in setling the old scores and in clashes betwen different factions. There will be probably some damage to rebels but mostly this militia will just ad to anarchy.

Guttorm
12-04-2003, 01:46 AM
That's right. Not until all the terrorists are either dead or arrested. Give it another 3 months. I think you'll see some major changes between now and then.

Well... I'm not saying I support the attacks on US forces, but I think that if parts of the country is so hostile against the occupation force, PLUSS the fact that arabs from all over the world flock to Iraq to fight... I think it may be longer then three months...

Just a thought...

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-04-2003, 03:43 AM
That's right. Not until all the terrorists are either dead or arrested. Give it another 3 months. I think you'll see some major changes between now and then.

Well... I'm not saying I support the attacks on US forces, but I think that if parts of the country is so hostile against the occupation force, PLUSS the fact that arabs from all over the world flock to Iraq to fight... I think it may be longer then three months...

Just a thought...

Yup 3 months is very short how about 1 year or maybe a year and a half, then resistance fighting will be pointless because if everything goes along as planned there will be a majority of Iraqi forces in control of the country not Us forces.