French Kiss

[budanski]

Just when you thought they couldnt stoop any lower.....


Iraq protesters deface British war monument in France
Vandals have defaced one of the biggest British war cemeteries in northern France with graffiti condemning the US-British invasion of Iraq, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) said.

Insults aimed at British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush were sprayed in red paint over a monument to Britain's dead from World War I and discovered by a gardener last Thursday.

"It was removed by the afternoon but not before a couple of coach loads [of visitors] had been through and seen it - we are pretty hacked off and I am pleased to say the French authorities are too," Tim Reeves said, the CWGC's representative in France.

The words "Rosbifs [British] go home! Saddam Hussein will win and spill your blood" were painted in French over the base of the cemetery's main monument - an obelisk topped by a cross.

On one side was a swastika and the words "death to the Yankees".

Also daubed were the words "dig up your garbage, it is fouling our soil," and "Bush, Blair to the TPI (International Court of Justice)".

Some 11,000 British dead are buried at Etaples, which lies on the Channel coast around 24 kilometres south of Boulogne.

It was the site of several hospitals during the 1914-1918 war.

A judicial inquiry has been opened.

"This violation of a burial place, scandalous in itself, is an attack on the memory of the sacrifice made by the British and American soldiers who contributed to the liberation of our soil," local member of parliament, former Socialist arts minister Jack Lang said.

"Our disagreement with the British and American governments [on Iraq] can in no way justify any assault on the memory of men who sacrificed themselves for our country," he said.

"dig up your garbage, it is fouling our soil,"

This bit pissed me off the most.... ungrateful f**ks

[Kitsune]

Remember: A terrorist bombed a building in Oklahoma some years ago. He was an American. But that does not mean that all Americans would do something like this! Same goes for this shameful deed...it does not represent the opinion of most French!

I hope they get the bastard(s) who did this.

[dweebie]

Now for the French, the French just don't like us at all, well they don't like us unless they're being invaded by the germans

Updated version "Now for the French, the French just don't like us or the uk at all, well they don't like us unless they're being invaded by the germans"

http://www.sendbackliberty.us/whoarewe.php

[JiJoMacLE45]

Okay, that's it! Forget, Iran and North Korea. As soon as we are finished w/ Iraq, we park the 6th Fleet off of the coast of France, send the Marines ashore, airdrop the 82nd Airborne into Paris, let the 1st Armored Division roll across from Germany, send the 75th Rangers into de Gaulle, and run the Stars and Stripes up to the top of the Eiffel Tower. It'll be over in a week. They want an occupation, we'll show them a friggin occupation. Everything manufactured and exported to France from the US will be confiscated, everything the Marshall Plan helped to reinstall, we'll throttle w/ a friggin JDAM. And all the bodies of those brave Americans and British soldiers that are buried in French cemetaries will be brought home and buried in their native lands, where their sacrifices will be appreciated by the nations that they gave their lives to defend. Then we'll pull all of our troops out and tell Germany that this time they can take France and keep it.

I am so fed up w/ this anti-American bulls**t from countries that have never lifted a finger to defend anyone else, let alone themselves.

F*CK FRANCE!

[dweebie]

Jijo I think you may need to speak with Dr. Laura, you seem to be holding back your feelings on the French. ;)

[JiJoMacLE45]

Yeah, I gotcha, I can never quite verbalize my thoughts in a constructive, non-offensive way and play nice w/ others.

(But it's the French, come on)

F*CK FRANCE

[Knave]

The comments are actually directed at the British, and, as a British descendant - and having my great-grandfather's brother buried in that cemetary and my other great-grandfather serve in the trenches in the First War, in France - I don't think I could express the amount of disgust I feel toward the statement about "dig up your garbage".....

[dweebie]

Oh well Jijo when you put it that way .....

F*CK DR. LAURA AND FRANCE

Knave .....

On one side was a swastika and the words "death to the Yankees"
Besides, even if there wasn't anything about us "yanks", the UK is standing beside us, therefore it's an insult to everyone involved.

[Knave]

True, but you can understand where I may take the comment on a war grave a little more personnally.... one of my own family - and my family is very small - is buried there. My own great-grandfather served in the trenches to preserve that country for long years.... which is why his bayonet which he carried during the First War is among my most prized possessions.

[96B]

I totally agree with JiJo... The people that did this should be literally taken out back and shot in the head. When I read that article for the first time I was literally shaking I was so pissed off. God bless America and Britain for their service and sacrifice in current and past conflicts, the world wouldnt be the same without them.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Knave I feel for you and the families of all of those brave soldiers who left their homeland to secure the freedom of others and were never able to return to their native soil. Their sacrifices have paved the way for the privileges and liberties that we enjoy today. The UK has been our staunchest ally for the last century. When we(the USA) made the decision to remove the Iraqis from Kuwait in '91 the British were the first to stand up and lend their support. When we chased down the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, it was the British who were there along side of us humping through the mountains and risking their lives in unbearable conditions to chase down our enemies. And when we chose to go into Iraq to liberate the people from the harsh rule of Saddam Hussein, it was the UK who mounted up and toed the line right next to us. We are in this together and when I see it done to your nation, it feels as if it was done to mine.

[budanski]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39038000/jpg/_39038351_cemeteryafp203story.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2907701.stm



FRENCH OPINION
34% - support US-led forces
25% - support Iraq
31% - support neither side

Source: Le Monde/TF1 poll


1 in 3 support Iraq. Not surprising since France has adopted a Eurabian Policy. With a 20% Muslim population, It'll be funny when they decide to cite a jihad and take over France. Guess who'll come crying to us then.

[Royal]

I'm as disgusted as any of you - both my grandfather's fought on the western front in WWI - happily they both made it through (or I wouldn't be here).

BUT don't get the idea that all the french are like this. I served a year's attachment with a French unit a few years back and have worked with them with the UN and NATO in Bosnia and Kosovo. The French army are just like any other (decent) western army - they go where they are ordered and follow the lawful orders of their (political) leaders.

Many French people feel as we do about Saddam, and they sure as hell are worried about Al-Qaida - look at the continued cooperation between intelligence agencies...

[raid]

I'm not ashamed of being french, but I'm definately ashamed that some other people are too. Believe me, knowing the situation here, that kind of disgusting acts are not from native french people, if you see what I mean. I've even seen a ****ing arab wearing a bin laden t-shirt during a demonstration in Paris. Those are the same kind of people who deface war cemeteries. They just make me sick. And Budanski is right when he talks about the jihad thing. This is just waiting to fall on us.

I just hope that our western brothers won't hold grudge against the real french people.
On behalf of them, I'd like to apologize for such infamous acts.

[dweebie]

I appreciate that of you raid. Didn't want your post to go unnoticed, thats very big of you.

[Zoomie]

Okay, that's it! Forget, Iran and North Korea. As soon as we are finished w/ Iraq, we park the 6th Fleet off of the coast of France, send the Marines ashore, airdrop the 82nd Airborne into Paris, let the 1st Armored Division roll across from Germany, send the 75th Rangers into de Gaulle, and run the Stars and Stripes up to the top of the Eiffel Tower. It'll be over in a week. They want an occupation, we'll show them a friggin occupation!

No, if we did do that, it would probably be over in an hour because you know how fast the French are to surrender.

[Trigger]

"Hello, JiJo, this is Dr. Laura." "At times like these it's important to not hold back. Just let it all out." "Here, I'll help, just repeat after me..." "O&(&$))#$*))$)@ French )*&)*)$@ graffiti)***&)@)@(_bastards*#*$)#@_!!!!!" "There, all better" "Oh, and excluding 'raid' and the percentage of French people like him, F**K FRANCE!!!"

Now, I've done the right thing.

[Bing]

it's nice to see the rage let out :D remember, a temper is the only thing you can't get rid of by losing it rofl

[FallenAngel]

I'm with JiJo. We take the country literally over-night and make Raid prime minister....

I'm sorry, but it's times like this I think a militant state like Germany in the '30s (minus racism and prejudices) should exist in the world. No way in hell would the "Old" Germany stand for this ****. They'd be the first ones into Iraq with us and then probably into France even quicker....

and in honor of JiJo....I think it should be called "Operation F*CK FRANCE" :D

[front]

Obviously this is some "sort" of whacko... it only takes one individual to cause this sort of grief but all they represent is one individuals "whacko" view (and maybe his friends, whom he convinced to go along with him and carry the paint in the middle of the night...). Defacing a memorial monument to the fallen dead of past World Wars is a disgraceful act. Defacing this monument was a ploy to cause the blood pressure of British and American supporters of the war against Saddam Hussein to rocket.

As for this:

"I totally agree with JiJo... The people that did this should be literally taken out back and shot in the head. When I read that article for the first time I was literally shaking I was so pissed off."

semperfi2003? You need some help. I'm not going to give you any advice, and any post you may make about not taking it would be redundant, but you need to take it easy before you have an aneurysm. This whole war, and current international situation, is going to be the death of you. :-)

cheers

front

[dweebie]

I just want to clarify how I feel about the French .....

As an American and respecting our tradition of being fair and just .......
I have no doubts in the leadership of our country, and with that .... I know that IF someday France was invaded unjustfully and asked for help that the "big bully" United States would transform into the "big brother" United States and defend France, setting the example that even if in times past a country has been against us we will still do what we can to defend them in unjust situations. That's why I love this country and I'm proud to be apart of it.

But as a person, without thought to our tradition, and out of anger in defending the honor of my country, my first reaction is ....

Then we'll pull all of our troops out and tell Germany that this time they can take France and keep it.
Now would I actually try to enforce this? No, I wouldn't but people are angry and say things out of anger, just like the marines at the bridge which "allegedly" said things out of anger. Thanks again Raid for understanding things said when people are blowing off steam. Now if only you could rub a little of that off to saint, things would be peachy again in my world. :D

[Smintjes]

You Americans have quite the selective memory, but that'n nothing new. Remember that the French gave you a hand when you were fighting the Brits back in the 18th century. And now you want to bomb the French? Who's being ungrateful?

[96B]

You cannot say that they did it out of honestly wanting to help us, although they did help alot but they did it out of hate for the British.

Forget the 18th century for a moment, have the French forgotten the tens of thousands of soldiers we sacrificed for their freedom about 60 years ago?

As for me "needing help", I happen to have a military family and the thought of somebody vandalizing the graves of fallen soldiers sickens me. Of course these few morons do not represent everybody, but anybody opposed to this war and feels the need to protest needs to do so in a peaceful, legal manner.

Ungrateful you say? America has given 100x more to the world than the world has given America. The one country that I say has truly been with us through and through is Britain.

[front]

"The one country that I say has truly been with us through and through is Britain."

The last country to invade the continental United States of America was Great Britain.

cheers

front

[budanski]

You Americans have quite the selective memory, but that'n nothing new. Remember that the French gave you a hand when you were fighting the Brits back in the 18th century. And now you want to bomb the French? Who's being ungrateful?

Coming late and bringing ships to a land war was alot of help. :roll:

[96B]

Front, Im talking about modern times you moron. No other country is as close an ally to us than Britain.

[front]

"semperfi2003 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:52 am

Front, Im talking about modern times you moron. No other country is as close an ally to us than Britain."

Well... historians, past and present, might say Canada. Or maybe... er... France. But if you want to push the argument of a benevolent Britain... hehehe. I digress.

Now... but seriously know that I am not a "moron". You should take some time out my friend and relax a bit. Take a look at Internet etiquette and know that personal insults contravene the general guidelines. If you cannot abide by those guidelines then don't post... otherwise the discussions will just degenerate into name calling... we lose the thread.

We'll keep it civil. As I have done by gentle "smileys". I can keep it civil.

Actually I spent about two seconds considering your use of the word "moron"... but I did sit back and wonder about your use of the words "moderns times". To me that means 1900 onwards. To you it's... what?

Your quote:

"The one country that I say has truly been with us through and through is Britain."

I took your phrase "through and through" to mean "always". That is what it means to me. Great Britain, in its history, has not 'liked your country one little bit mate'. It's only when the Germans are beating down their doors IN MODERN TIMES do they become your "great friends", "greatest allies" and "supporters". Now you can go back and forth about that one for an age... but for some reason I, and others who read history, know that the British (and their 'pet' governments) care only about themselves and no one else. Period.

In the real world, where people do not advocate the solution of problems by taking people "out back and shooting them" (your words in your other posts on this very board), we like to make sure that when we post people will take a little bit of their time to read what we have to say. We don't waste their time, and bandwidth, with two-line, delinquent posts.

Wasting bandwidth? Sure it's the height of vulgarity. :-)

cheers

front

[Bing]

historically, the reasons why the Americans joined the British side during "the great war" and WW2 was because they wanted to defend democratic-esque gvt's...and cuz the germans sunk a bunch of American ships...that sort of helped out too...But since the two world wars, Britain hasn't always been on the side of the Americans either. During the Suez Canal crisis when French and British forces were mobilized to take over the Suez Canal (without American knowledge), President Eisenhower reprimanded the British and French and took the case to the UN. Thank god they pulled back their forces...However, that took place during the Cold War in which the British were one of our allies (NATO) so it's rather debatable...but if you were to talk about actual wars...and serious armed conflicts, then I would say that Britain overall has been our greatest ally in terms of actual help...and thank you front for articulating my sentiments on name calling :D

[Knave]

historically, the reasons why the Americans joined the British side during "the great war" and WW2 was because they wanted to defend democratic-esque gvt's...and cuz the germans sunk a bunch of American ships...that sort of helped out too...But since the two world wars, Britain hasn't always been on the side of the Americans either. During the Suez Canal crisis when French and British forces were mobilized to take over the Suez Canal (without American knowledge), President Eisenhower reprimanded the British and French and took the case to the UN. Thank god they pulled back their forces...However, that took place during the Cold War in which the British were one of our allies (NATO) so it's rather debatable...but if you were to talk about actual wars...and serious armed conflicts, then I would say that Britain overall has been our greatest ally in terms of actual help...and thank you front for articulating my sentiments on name calling :D

Yikes.

History lesson:

The Japanese attacked the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbour on December 7th, 1941, that was the catalyst for America's formal entry into the War.

True, the US had been engaged in a 'shooting match' with German U-boats along the Atlantic coast for over a year, but the effects were militarily negligable and not enough to dislodge the American people and Congress from their staunch isolationist standpoint. It took a blantent and premeditated attack and the deaths of thousands of American sailors and soldiers to "wake up" the American people and enrage them enough to go to war.

On December 8th 1941, the United States declared war on the Empire of Japan. FDR's famous "Day of Infamy" speech was given here....

On December 9th (10th?) 1941, Germany - who was allied with Japan by the Anti-Comintern Pact and the "Axis" military alliance treaty - declared War on the United States, in the name of their ally. Up until this point, American rage was pointed solely at the Japanese (who had acted in their own interests, not in the interests of the "Axis" alliance or Germany)....

It was agreeded between FDR and Churchill that Germany posed the greater threat to the US and the "civilized world" and needed to be dealt with first.... which is why the US committed the resources it did to the European theatre.

The Suez deal is true, as the nationalization of the canal by the Egyptian government did prompt the British and French to attack without 'permission' from the US or the UN and came as a shock to the world.... however, the intervention wasn't solely the result of the US President taking his case to the UN; in fact, it was the Canadian PM who suggested the use of soldiers as a "peacekeeping" force in that crisis and paved the way for every UN peacekeeping mission since.... which is one of the valuable contributions to the international community that Canada has made......

[Skyjacker]

:bash:
Bande d'amerlock de merde, vous vous croyez des pros à la guerre mais la plupart de vos victimes sont suite de friendly fires.
Aussi vous savez po conduire, quand vous conduisez une jeep vous tombez dans le canal et vous vous noyez, lolezzz... ^^
ha ouais aussi, kan ya un avion anglais ki passe par dessus votre gueule, si vous pouviez appuyer sur le bouton automatike des patriotes, c pourrait etre cool ca économiserait au moins 1 pitit navion de 1 piti million de dollar plus le prix du patriot..... ROXAGE LES GARS :)


bon, sen deconné, vous croyez franchement que vous vous interresseriez autant au peuple "oprimé" irakien si le sol ne regogerai pas de pétrole?
Et croyez vous que sadam ferai moins de meutre dans ça vie que vos bombes?

avez vous pensez aux repercusions de vos conneries? Vous allez simplement donné matiere terrorisme et extremisme islamique pour justifié leur acte.

Bonne chance pour votre économie future, car au vue du prix d'un tomahawk, vous êtes bien parti pour une récession, surtout que vous vous êtes mis tous les autres pays sur le dos ! Au fait il vous reste des Apaches en fonctionnements ?
Bientôt sadam va pouvoir ouvrir une usine de pièces détachées pour apaches !!!
Un petit conseil, vous devrier les vendre aux prix de la ferraille vos apache plutôt que de les donner gratuitement !!!
Voila aussi vous parler d'armes de destructions massives en Irak, mais le pays qui possèdent le plus d'armes chimiques et nucléaire sont les USA (he oui ces cons ont assez pour faire péter deux fois la planête) et les russes ( qui les sême dans les prairies sibériennes ). Arréter de faire la guerre que pour des raisons économiques, à peine masquer pour des raisons humanitaires et depuis le 11 septembre vous vous croyez tous permis, mais aller vous faire !!!

[Duke]

I read the first and second message and I'm too pissed to read the others. Selective memory?? You ****. I remember when de Gaulle pleaded Eisenhower, in the fifties, not to aid Ho Chi Minh of French Indochina, when Minh was a fervent believer of democracy. In a brief intro to that escapade-- is that Minh wrote letters to Einsenhower begging for aid against the French. The rationale behind his argument was the French were colonialists and the Southeast Asia wanted revolution and democracy. Einsenhower sided with the French, the dictators in northern africa and southeast asia--an empire. I believe that was our nation's most profound mistake. Ho Chi Minh of course went to the Soviets and China for assistance and look what we recieved in the end. Dont ever say we owe the French, our debt from Yorktown ended with our tepid neutrality during the Nepoleanic Wars, staying out of the Hatian Revolt by Toussaint le'Overture, and the First World War.

Edit--nvasion?? What about the Japanese in the Territory of Alaska in the Second World War?? the Mexicans and Pacho Villa in Texas?

[Supes]

to your Skyjacker, you sorry bastard:
Vous morceau désolé de pirate d'avion humain de merde. D'abord outre de vous sont une excuse ignorante pour un humain parce que si vous français ne faites rien aider ne dites rien. Nous sommes fous à votre pays désolé parce que quelque chose de votre d'âne veto désolé de président nous met comme nouvelle résolution à l'cOnu et vous n'êtes pas aider égal non plus, avec les nombreux sellings de votre gouvernement des bras et des armes à Saddam. Au moins nous avons les entrailles pour faire quelque chose au sujet de Saddam et ses WMD. et là sont sooo beaucoup de choses que nous avons fait pour vous le français de rien. Ainsi je suggère que que vous le freakin ait fermé l'enfer et repose votre âne vers le bas vous hybride.

[Mark Sman]

Possibly this criminal act (defacement of graves) was taken by a non-French group for political motives.

Option 1: A foreign group with anti-UK/USA agenda does this in France to make it appear that the French are more anti-UK/USA than they are.

Option 2: Same group does this action to stir up hatred of UK/USA in France.

Option 3: Same group does this action to stir up anti-Arab feelings among the local French, knowing that the cadre that pulled the crime will be long gone before the reaction.

Option 4: Just a bunch of friggin' criminals/drunks who have now had far more impact then they deserve, and have driven yet another wedge into French/UK/USA relations.

I would also like to point out that the Aussies fought on our side in Vietnam when very few other countries did. Republic of Korea did too.

The UK have been good allies for a long time, but so have the French. No allies agree 100% of the time.

The French intelligence services have been very helpful in rooting out Terror suspects and cells.

My one comment about the French people would be that the "silent supporters" of UK/USA policy need to get less silent, and let their government know how many of them there are.

Also, there are a couple of folks going at it in the French language here, to which I would like to say, courtesy of Bablefish:

Svp Dieu, nous épargnent de nos ennemis. Mais premier Dieu. Pourriez vous nous épargner de nos alliés. Merci
MS

[budanski]

http://www.greencis.net/~dianeleigh/weasels-french.jpg
http://www.greencis.net/~dianeleigh/weasels-german.jpg

[redneck]

What a bunch of ****ed up moronic redneck jingoistic arseholes most of the yanks here are...**** me, you guys are absolute ****ing idiots. Such a narrow political view, and such a slim understanding of the world at large, like we didn't know that already! :) Your idiot comments on France are laughable....let the US loose as many men as France did in WW1 and see how ****ing gung ho you are for another war.....little known fact it would appear goes as follows:

US, after their failure in Somalia VETOED ( thats right, just like france ) UN intervention in Rwanda.....800 THOUSAND + where masacred. Do some ****ing research you ****ed up twats.....**** me, michael moore might just have a point.

PS: save your heart before you rant a reply, i'll probably not be listening, I've seen enough of you hillbillies to last me a lifetime :)

[Knave]

Just as well that you stay away. You know what they say about someone who uses vulgarity to try and bolster their point in a public forum......


What a bunch of f*** up moronic redneck jingoistic arseholes most of the yanks here are...f*** me, you guys are absolute f*** idiots. Such a narrow political view, and such a slim understanding of the world at large, like we didn't know that already! :) Your idiot comments on France are laughable....let the US loose as many men as France did in WW1 and see how f*** gung ho you are for another war.....little known fact it would appear goes as follows:

US, after their failure in Somalia VETOED ( thats right, just like france ) UN intervention in Rwanda.....800 THOUSAND + where masacred. Do some f*** research you f*** up twats.....f*** me, michael moore might just have a point.

PS: save your heart before you rant a reply, i'll probably not be listening, I've seen enough of you hillbillies to last me a lifetime :)

[Trigger]

Redneck, Michael Moore's only 'point' is lodged firmly up your arse! and like him your post has no substance.
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