Polish PM Chopper Crash Landing

[wholagun]

Polish PM survives crash-landing


Miller became prime minister in October 2001
Poland's injured Prime Minister Leszek Miller is to stay in hospital for at least a week after the helicopter he was travelling in crash-landed.
Mr Miller has two fractured vertebrae but he will not need surgery, a doctor in Warsaw said.

Polish officials said at least eight others were also injured when the Soviet-era Mi-8 helicopter came down in a field just outside Warsaw.

A government spokesman said the aircraft had had an engine problem.

The doctor at Warsaw's interior ministry hospital, Grazyna Rydzewska, said Mr Miller was undergoing tests but his condition was "good".

"He has two broken vertebrae but without dislocation or pressure. His condition does not raise any serious concerns," she said.



The helicopter reportedly entered service in 1977
One of the injured - a woman civil servant - has a damaged lung and will have an operation, Polish media reported.

Mr Miller's spokesman Marcin Kaszuba told Polish television that the prime minister had "walked out of the helicopter unaided".

According to a witness quoted by Polish TV, the helicopter tilted sideways and clipped treetops before coming down.

Mr Miller and his delegation were flying back from southwestern Poland, where they had visited copper mines.

Mr Miller was originally scheduled to visit Ireland on Friday, ahead of Dublin's presidency of the European Union, which begins on 1 January.

Poland is set to join the EU next May.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3292481.stm

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[Seoulstriker]

:( :( :(

[Ballistic]

Best of luck to him for his recovery.

[wholagun]

He's fine, he walked out the chopper himself.. But still what the hell were they thinking in using that 30 year old Russian heli to get around :cantbeli: **** you'd figure with all the corruption goen on in Politics that they'd at least put something to make thier ride more enjoyable not to say safer. **** we need Miller to take on the big boys of the EU in the constitution negotations, we need him strong to take on Chiraq and Shorader and the other likes of the big EU countries who want to maintain thier power over the small and weak.

[Uncle Chô]

He's fine, he walked out the chopper himself.. But still what the hell were they thinking in using that 30 year old Russian heli to get around :cantbeli:

The Mil Mi-8 is indeed an old helicopter but also a reliable machine. I can imagine the Governmental fleet -or dedicated Army fleet- maintains a high level of maintenance care. This was an accident. This may have happened to a Sikorsky, Bell, Eurocopter or Augusta.

**** you'd figure with all the corruption goen on in Politics that they'd at least put something to make thier ride more enjoyable not to say safer.

Why spending tax-payer money on extras if this Mil worked ? Talking about comfort between a Russian helo and "Western" latest designs is another story :(

**** we need Miller to take on the big boys of the EU in the constitution negotations, we need him strong to take on Chiraq and Shorader and the other likes of the big EU countries who want to maintain thier power over the small and weak.

A German-French sabotage ???
;)

[Chris O`Crooh]

...eerrrrr... Some guys whisper `bout finding ROLAND launcher in the forest... Fedayeens?? :D :D :D

(Joke!! !! !!)

[Herrmannek]

Hey you don't must be sorry for Polish PM, he is "scumbag", we have "watergates" monthly, and he still keeps on sadle, making case even worst, I don't wish him bad in any other way than political, but he deserved it :).

Those heli wasn't new, but like you said it is one of the safest helis, and it had actual resus so why buy new? Probably reason of emergency landing was ice-ed engine inflows, not age nor malfunctions.

[Seoulstriker]

Hey you don't must be sorry for Polish PM, he is "scumbag", we have "watergates" monthly, and he still keeps on sadle, making case even worst, I don't wish him bad in any other way than political, but he deserved it :).

Those heli wasn't new, but like you said it is one of the safest helis, and it had actual resus so why buy new? Probably reason of emergency landing was ice-ed engine inflows, not age nor malfunctions.

herrmannek, you still need to work on your english grammar. :P

:hug:

[Herrmannek]

herrmannek, you still need to work on your english grammar.

Don't be smartass, tell me what was wrong, so I could improve my poor english grammar :)

[Seoulstriker]

herrmannek, you still need to work on your english grammar.

Don't be smartass, tell me what was wrong, so I could improve my poor english grammar :)

ok.



Hey, you shouldn't be sorry for the Polish PM: he is a "scumbag", we have "watergates" monthly, and he is still on his saddle. I don't wish him bad in any way other than politically, but he still deserves it. :)

Those heli weren't new, but like you said, it is one of the safest helis, and it had actual resus(???) so why buy new? The probable reason for the emergency landing was iced engine inflows, not age or malfunction.

:hug:

[perdurabo]

in polish "resurs" means time(in hours of flight) to next general repair or time to scrap thing, every thing that fly has to have "resurs"
Mi8/14/17 are still very good.

[Seoulstriker]

in polish "resurs" means time(in hours of flight) to next general repair or time to scrap thing, every thing that fly has to have "resurs"
Mi8/14/17 are still very good.

i think in the US it is called re-certification.

:hug:

[Herrmannek]

Thanks Seul :) You>>:slap:<<Me

[Seoulstriker]

Thanks Seul :) You>>:slap:<<Me


:hug: woot woot

[Herrmannek]

Look at my signature...Is it correct?

[Seoulstriker]

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:hug:

[tony6]

Wholagun: Little correction: Miller didn't walked out of the chopper by himself-he was pulled out by the BOR officer (secret service)

[wholagun]

Wholagun: Little correction: Miller didn't walked out of the chopper by himself-he was pulled out by the BOR officer (secret service)

Oh, I read somewhere he walked out of the chopper without assistance. Doesn't matter really, he's fine and he's going to the EU summit so all is ok i guess except for the corruption.


**** we need Miller to take on the big boys of the EU in the constitution negotations, we need him strong to take on Chiraq and Shorader and the other likes of the big EU countries who want to maintain thier power over the small and weak.

A German-French sabotage ???



Either way if Miller went down we still have 200 more stuburn politicians to take on France and Germany and the big boys. ;)

[Nizark]

well damn, at the very least we can do is sell the PM some blackhawks or something better the some old soviet helos...next time it could be worse...what is the use of a dead ally

[wholagun]

well damn, at the very least we can do is sell the PM some blackhawks or something better the some old soviet helos...next time it could be worse...what is the use of a dead ally
:hug:

[Falco]

I know one pilot that won't be flying any time soon ...

[perdurabo]

well damn, at the very least we can do is sell the PM some blackhawks or something better the some old soviet helos...next time it could be worse...what is the use of a dead ally
buahahahahah please mate mi8 ARE the saftest heli in world this is 1!! accident of mi8 in polish service we have them about 50or more and they served almoust 30years so i would buy new mi8/17 with "western" avionics :) how meny blackhawks went down because of eingine/transmision faliture? :)

I know one pilot that won't be flying any time soon ...
he will be in flying condition in about halfyear
BTW he landed on autorotation from above 600m! it's masterpice! he's our new national hero:) (after A.Małysz ski-jumper;) )

[Uncle Chô]

About an American company using the Mil Mi-8 as their workhorse :

http://www.icioregon.com/index.htm

Do not miss their photo & video pages woot

[wholagun]

buahahahahah please mate mi8 ARE the saftest heli in world this is 1!! accident of mi8 in polish service we have them about 50or more and they served almoust 30years so i would buy new mi8/17 with "western" avionics how meny blackhawks went down because of eingine/transmision faliture?


This isn't however the first crash, there have been other ones I read in an article.

Subsequent governments have ignored five minor accidents involving government planes over past eight years, postponing a decision on buying new aircraft due to budgetary constraints.

entire article can be found here: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/05/poland.miller.reut/index.html

[wholagun]

BTW he landed on autorotation from above 600m! it's masterpice! he's our new national hero:) (after A.Małysz ski-jumper;) )


Iv heard alot about that lately, what is exaclty is autorotation. And is it hard to control a heli thats crashing from 600m? :|

I can imagine it being so cause in a fixed wing airplane at least you have wings to create lift but in a chopper?

BTW, the videos were cool. p-)

[Seoulstriker]

i hate the look of the russian helo. the blackhawk just looks right to me.

[Herrmannek]

Autoration is using energy stored in turnig rotors, with allow pilot to slow down the fall and give some chance to ster the craft to safe touch-down place.

[perdurabo]

buahahahahah please mate mi8 ARE the saftest heli in world this is 1!! accident of mi8 in polish service we have them about 50or more and they served almoust 30years so i would buy new mi8/17 with "western" avionics how meny blackhawks went down because of eingine/transmision faliture?


This isn't however the first crash, there have been other ones I read in an article.

Subsequent governments have ignored five minor accidents involving government planes over past eight years, postponing a decision on buying new aircraft due to budgetary constraints.

entire article can be found here: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/05/poland.miller.reut/index.html
our politics despretly want new toys that they can pretend how big they are with they fellows in EU
and mi8 in polish service newer crashed! fails was in Yak40 one time they landed on a dessert one they couldn't start because german ground service ****ed up with ground power eingne supply and Yaks should be changed i'm all for few new bissnes jets maybe embraer? and for new helos but i would go for mi8 with western avionics

[wholagun]

Autoration is using energy stored in turnig rotors, with allow pilot to slow down the fall and give some chance to ster the craft to safe touch-down place.

If it stores energy to allow the pilot to touch down, then why did it crash?

[perdurabo]

it didn't make it to field it was above vilige it turrned and started to lower flight (from 2,000-3,500 m) to land on a nerby field or make it to airfield but on 600m second eingine went down so pilot turned main rotor in flat position and tryed to make it to field before tuch down you have tu pick nose up then put rotor "in edge" to steer next just before tuch you have tu put nose down to not to crush its tail but when you meet trees you crush :]

[Uncle Chô]

I hate the look of the russian helo. the blackhawk just looks right to me.
rofl Thank you for that interesting contribution to the debate...

By the way, do you like the look of this one ?
(don't ask what it is if you don't know, just give us your opinion)


http://odin.dep.no/archive/mupbilder/02/93/fig73034.jpg

[perdurabo]

I hate the look of the russian helo. the blackhawk just looks right to me.
rofl Thank you for that interesting contribution to the debate...

By the way, do you like the look of this one ?
(don't ask what it is if you don't know, just give us your opinion)


http://odin.dep.no/archive/mupbilder/02/93/fig73034.jpg
new Mi38 or smth like that? i've heard that Eurocopter and Mill are doing something like this and i love look of russian airframes (afther polish ones;-) ) but moustly they have poor avionics (it's changing i know) with superb performance and capabilitys

[wholagun]

Now see why can't we get something like that for Miller? Its Russian so it'll last no doubt, we put some Western avionics and bara bing bara boom nice moderately cheap helicopter, thats big too.

[perdurabo]

Now see why can't we get something like that for Miller? Its Russian so it'll last no doubt, we put some Western avionics and bara bing bara boom nice moderately cheap helicopter, thats big too.
irst we should think about our troops and if miller will be a good boy and say france to suck off we will think about giving him new toy

[Herrmannek]

We know now who downed PM's Helicopter :)
http://ciasna.int.pl/0Jankiel/AJ02-1.jpg

[wholagun]

No way thats real. Is that even actually him.. looks different. Someone find a pic of the Polish pilot in the hospital and post it here.

[Herrmannek]

No way thats real. Is that even actually him.. looks different. Someone find a pic of the Polish pilot in the hospital and post it here.
For me he looks OK :)