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ogukuo72
12-04-2003, 10:01 PM
U.S. Exporting 'Tools of Torture,' Charges Amnesty

Jim Lobe, OneWorld US

WASHINGTON, D.C., Dec 3 (OneWorld) - The administration of U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites) is violating the spirit of its own export policy by approving the sale of tools to countries known to use them to torture detainees, according to new report released here Tuesday by Amnesty International.

In 2002, U.S. exports of electro-shock weapons and restraints that can be used for torture amounted to some US$14.7 dollars and $4.4 million, respectively, according to the report, titled "The Pain Merchants."

Along with the sales of such equipment, Washington is also reported to have handed over suspects in the ''war on terror'' to the same countries, the 85-page report said.

"Although torture is endemic in Saudi Arabia, Smith & Wesson had no qualms about exporting approximately 10,000 leg-irons to Riyadh, and, apparently sharing this lack of concern, the Bush administration approved the sale," said William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty's U.S. branch, AIUSA.

"For decades, human-rights groups and the U.S. State Department have documented Saudi Arabia's cruel use of leg-irons and shackles to inflict torture and force confessions. With this shameful shipment, we can expect the torture of religious minorities and peaceful protestors to continue for years to come."

The United States is not the only exporter of such police- and security-related equipment that, while not lethal, can inflict severe pain and amount to torture when used improperly, according to Amnesty. Worldwide, some 856 companies in 47 countries either manufacture or market such devices.

Indeed, Asian companies--particularly those in Taiwan, China, and South Korea (news - web sites)--dominate the electro-shock market.

"Just because security equipment may be described as 'less than lethal' does not mean it cannot be abused, nor that it cannot injure or kill," said Brian Wood, Amnesty's expert on crime-control devices. "We are extremely concerned that in many countries devices are being authorized for use on the population without sufficient investigation of their effects on human rights."

In recent years, the U.S. government has taken steps--most importantly the adoption of an export policy that requires licenses to sell or ship electro-shock equipment to all countries except Canada--to reduce the likelihood that devices manufactured here will be sent to countries where they are used to torture or otherwise inflict harm.

Similarly, the European Commission (news - web sites) (EC) has drafted regulations that would ban the export from member states of equipment whose primary practical purpose is torture--such as leg irons and stun belts--and impose tight restrictions on the export of equipment that may have a legitimate policing purpose but which could be used for torture, such as electro-shock stun weapons and tear gas.

But the EC's policy has yet to be adopted, while U.S. license requirements are not being seriously enforced, according to AIUSA, which noted that in 2001 the government approved three sales of electro-shock devices to Turkey, despite the State Department's finding that such weapons were widely used for torture there.

In one 2002 case, a 17-year-old schoolgirl who was detained for distributing leaflets calling for the legalization of Kurdish education was stripped, threatened with rape and tortured with electric shocks to her feet, legs and stomach, according to Amnesty.

"The U.S. needs to completely close the loopholes that have allowed the re-supply of this technology to countries that torture," said Maureen Greenwood, AIUSA's advocacy director in Europe. She noted that Reps. Tom Lantos and Henry Hyde are currently working on legislation that places restrictions on crime-control exports to foreign governments known to use torture.

Amnesty said it was also concerned about other ''crime-control'' weapons, such as sedative chemical incapacitating agents like the one that killed more than 120 hostages when Russian security forces ended a siege in a Moscow theatre last year.

Amnesty also noted that new technologies, many of which are being developed as part of the U.S. "war on terror," may also be used to inflict torture and should be very carefully reviewed for their possible abuse.

These include radio-frequency weapons that may induce an artificial fever; "stench chemicals;" taser mines that could deliver a 50,000-volt shock to anyone within a certain radius; and UV lasers that can ionize the air to also deliver an electric charge.

Amnesty stressed that most of these weapons are not intended to inflict torture but can be used to do so. "It's possible to use anything for torture," the president of a U.S. manufacturer of electro-shock riot shields told Amnesty. "But it's a little easier to use our devices."

A three-year-old study by the London-based group found that torture has been reported in all but about 35 countries worldwide and that there are more than 70 countries in which torture has been reported to be widespread or persistent.

In more than 80 countries, including the United States, deaths have been reported as a result of torture. In the U.S. case, for example, a man died after being "tasered" a dozen times, each time with a 50,000 volt shock, by deputy sheriffs in Florida.

The U.S. Department of Commerce last year approved licenses for exports of discharge-type weapons, including electro-shock stun guns, shock batons, and similar devices, to 45 countries, among them a large number where the State Department has reported the use of torture against detainees, including Bangladesh, Brazil, Ecuador, Ghana, Honduras, India, Jordan, Lebanon, Mexico, Peru, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Thailand, and Venezuela.

More than 60 U.S. manufacturers sought licenses to export such equipment during 2002.

AIUSA said it feared that some manufacturers actually ignored the licensing requirement and shipped such equipment directly to the buyer. Indeed, a recent investigative report in U.S. News & World Report found that several small companies freely advertise at various Internet Web states how to circumvent exports rules for stun guns by, for example, shipping parts separately.


More can be added to the list:

1) electric egg beater
2) baseball bats
3) thick books (especially telephone books)
4) cigar cutters
5) piano wires
6) golf clubs (for the more discerning Pain Infliction Executive or PIE)
7) water buckets and rubber hoses
8) a really large inflatable balloon (don't ask)

I know I shouldn't joke about torture, but this article struck me as silly. It seems to be an indication of how some organisation will seize on the small things and make a big deal out of them.

While genuine concern should be expressed about devices that can have only one conceivable purpose (e.g. the electric shock device), it seems silly to include normal law enforcement devices such as leg irons and stun guns, that policemen need to do their job properly (and humanely). Stopping these exports will not stop the torture.

Any of the items on the list above can be used for torture if someone misuses them. If you walk into a normal kitchen, there will be at least one or two items you can use to inflict pain. With the proper sadistic frame of mind, even a night stick and ropes can be misused to inflict pain and suffering.

Organisations like Amnesty are powerless to really stop torture, no matter how many letters they write. To cover up their impotency and to give a reason for their continued existence, they pick on things like this to prove that they are doing SOMETHING.

Salty Dog
12-04-2003, 10:23 PM
amnesty international. what a bunch of hippies. :-*$ rofl

Deuterium
12-04-2003, 10:44 PM
Don't forget the jumper cables.

He219
12-04-2003, 10:50 PM
Or the Staples for the 'Tractor Pull' ....

Martin?

:0

Vance
12-04-2003, 10:51 PM
I hear bread gets really hot when you warm it in a microwave....are we sending them microwaves? And bread?

Salty Dog
12-04-2003, 10:54 PM
ridiculous rofl

HooyahCQB
12-04-2003, 11:04 PM
I agree, ridiculous. Stun guns, batons, etc are all designed to inflick pain for police organizations (MPs i'm sure are included). They help control bad people. These idiots want them to stop so the rapists, robbers and muderers can have more freedom? Reminds me of PETA. They don't want people to shoot deer, then they complain about the deer pop. when one of their representatives hits a deer with his car...

Jack Mehoff
12-04-2003, 11:10 PM
A bucket of water should be good enough

ogukuo72
12-04-2003, 11:10 PM
A really sharp pencil or a red-hot poker. (Fans of the Black Adder series will know what I mean!)

Jack Mehoff
12-04-2003, 11:11 PM
Use Michael Jackson as a torturing device

Marshall
12-04-2003, 11:26 PM
Don't the Mossad occasionally connect wires from light bulb sockets to the "guest's" tongue?

:P

James
12-04-2003, 11:58 PM
What about fire making devices? Matches and butane lighters come to mind... :roll:

ShotOver
12-05-2003, 12:18 AM
Yeah, they are acting really stupid.

Any device can be used as a torture device if used correctly, such as bamboo plants, rice, bricks, cement, oil, pens, knifes, blades, ice, water, blender, TV, CD's, CD players, weights, deodorant, shaving cream, fly spray, matches, elastic bands, towls, shoes, books, sporting equipment...etc.

Nawlins
12-05-2003, 01:41 AM
Use Michael Jackson as a torturing device

Dear God, no! Just kill me!

StarvingStudent47
12-05-2003, 01:44 AM
That's it. We won't allow anybody to sell car batteries or fire hoses to any Arab countries, from now on. Thank you Amnesty :roll:

I'll bet all the Saudi S&M fans will be furious at Amnesty International when they catch this story ;)

martinexsquaddie
12-05-2003, 01:56 AM
There is a point to be made saudi and countries like it are less likely to be using the stuff on bad men than political opponents.
So you don't like amnesty your in good company
the Soviet Union called them tools of the CIA
Iran pre and post Revolution Communists
most of south american goverments, CUBA, USA, UK and EU countries
and the middle east and turkey and china
see they get around.
Amnesty isn't perfect but it stands up for human rights which is more than most goverments do when it becomes inconvienant.

hood
12-05-2003, 01:59 AM
Plastic cups, beanie babies, bottle caps, AOL promo cd's, wheat thins, and 1 box of uncooked spaghetti. These are but a sample of the torture devices I employ to keep those around me under my control.

ogukuo72
12-05-2003, 02:57 AM
There is a point to be made saudi and countries like it are less likely to be using the stuff on bad men than political opponents.
So you don't like amnesty your in good company
the Soviet Union called them tools of the CIA
Iran pre and post Revolution Communists
most of south american goverments, CUBA, USA, UK and EU countries
and the middle east and turkey and china
see they get around.
Amnesty isn't perfect but it stands up for human rights which is more than most goverments do when it becomes inconvienant.

There's another bunch of people that I'm not a fan of - Green peas ... opps ... I mean Greenpeace :P

But seriously, I've no doubt these people meant well, but I also have no doubt that they are often wrong-headed. Obviously naive reports such as the one I've quoted above only serve to discredit a good cause.

Not all well-meaning people are naive or silly like that. I did some work for UNICEF for three years, and met some of the most intelligent and effective organisers there. They had also conceived some of the most effective media campaign I've ever seen. And they do real good on the ground, digging wells, building schools, providing basic health services, etc.. This much more than I can say about organisations like AI and Green peas ... I mean Greenpeace.

Nizark
12-05-2003, 04:18 AM
o damn, be careful what u say...next will be PAPER used to paper cut someone to death...next thing ya know is that they will be exporting Big mac's hoping to kill someone with high cholestrol and fat content

StarvingStudent47
12-05-2003, 04:37 AM
Not all well-meaning people are naive or silly like that. I did some work for UNICEF for three years, and met some of the most intelligent and effective organisers there. They had also conceived some of the most effective media campaign I've ever seen. And they do real good on the ground, digging wells, building schools, providing basic health services, etc.. This much more than I can say about organisations like AI and Green peas ... I mean Greenpeace.

UNICEF is one of the few organizations affiliated with the United Nations that I have real respect for. They're good people, not out to serve some political agenda, and they're level-headed. Those three things in conjunction are pretty rare among international aid organizations, unfortunately.

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-05-2003, 04:50 AM
F*ck it just pee on em, nothings more disgracefull n disrespectfull to a person then to piss on them,+ the fact its bodily waste landing on them. :lol:

(im sure that would break international laws to for violating some human rights bull**** but it would get the job done)

PsihoKeke
12-05-2003, 08:24 AM
AI forgot to mention american export of Weapons of Mass Torture - Jerry Springer Show, Oprah Show...

Mr Gently Benevolent
12-05-2003, 10:03 AM
The only thing the US should be exporting to Saudi Arabia is regime change not f*cking tools of torture, but as the Saudis are providing lucrative oil and equipment deals plus the odd bung now and again that will not be any time soon. The Saudis are the biggest supporters of terrorism about yet we pander to them and basically let them f*ck their people over, I bet if they switched alliances and took up with the French and the Russians there would be a flurry of WMD reports of how the Saudis were developing bio warfare agents that only killed non-believers and the usual ****e.

front
12-05-2003, 10:41 AM
Did you people actually read the report (and not just the news report quoted above)? Here is the link:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engact400082003

On the first line it answers some of the comments made by most of the people above:

"It's possible to use anything for torture", says a US manufacturer of electro-shock riot shields, "but it's a little easier to use our devices."

John McDermit, president of Nova Products, Inc; quoted in interview with Anne-Marie Cusac, The Progressive, September 1997 (http://www.progressive.org/cusac9709.htm)

PT writes:

" Yeah, they are acting really stupid."

No they are not. They are bringing to light the hypocrisy.

What they are trying to show in the report is that First World countries with more advanced notions of democracy and human rights are culpable in the suppression of rights, and oppression, of others in less developed countries.

It's all very well for Western leaders to decry the abuses of tyrants against their own peoples but the same Western leaders allow private businesses to sell devices which are used for torture to those same tyrants. For an example close to home the US State Department condemns these countries (listed in the piece quoted) for using torture on politicial opponents (as they rightly should) yet the Department of Commerce approves export licenses to the same countries.

"The U.S. Department of Commerce last year approved licenses for exports of discharge-type weapons, including electro-shock stun guns, shock batons, and similar devices, to 45 countries, among them a large number where the State Department has reported the use of torture against detainees,[snip]"

Marine DEP4 wrote:

"amnesty international. what a bunch of hippies."

I suggest to you that you read the entire article. It might educate you.

HooyahCQB wrote: "They help control bad people. These idiots want them to stop so the rapists, robbers and muderers can have more freedom?"

Are you really that naive? You can't be. You really have no idea about the use of torture against political opponents in the countries, named in the article, to discourage democracy and maintain the status quo of tyrants?

In light of your comment about "controlling bad people", how is the young Kurdish woman, written about in the piece quoted above, considered equal to "muggers, rapists and murderers"?

"In one 2002 case, a 17-year-old schoolgirl who was detained for distributing leaflets calling for the legalization of Kurdish education was stripped, threatened with rape and tortured with electric shocks to her feet, legs and stomach, according to Amnesty."

cheers

front

Saranof
12-05-2003, 10:54 AM
the fact that the US supports 83% of the worlds torture states is slightly sickening.

pinkeye
12-05-2003, 12:17 PM
Did you people actually read the report (and not just the news report quoted above)? Here is the link:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engact400082003

On the first line it answers some of the comments made by most of the people above:

"It's possible to use anything for torture", says a US manufacturer of electro-shock riot shields, "but it's a little easier to use our devices."

John McDermit, president of Nova Products, Inc; quoted in interview with Anne-Marie Cusac, The Progressive, September 1997 (http://www.progressive.org/cusac9709.htm)

PT writes:

" Yeah, they are acting really stupid."

No they are not. They are bringing to light the hypocrisy.

What they are trying to show in the report is that First World countries with more advanced notions of democracy and human rights are culpable in the suppression of rights, and oppression, of others in less developed countries.

It's all very well for Western leaders to decry the abuses of tyrants against their own peoples but the same Western leaders allow private businesses to sell devices which are used for torture to those same tyrants. For an example close to home the US State Department condemns these countries (listed in the piece quoted) for using torture on politicial opponents (as they rightly should) yet the Department of Commerce approves export licenses to the same countries.

"The U.S. Department of Commerce last year approved licenses for exports of discharge-type weapons, including electro-shock stun guns, shock batons, and similar devices, to 45 countries, among them a large number where the State Department has reported the use of torture against detainees,[snip]"

Marine DEP4 wrote:

"amnesty international. what a bunch of hippies."

I suggest to you that you read the entire article. It might educate you.

HooyahCQB wrote: "They help control bad people. These idiots want them to stop so the rapists, robbers and muderers can have more freedom?"

Are you really that naive? You can't be. You really have no idea about the use of torture against political opponents in the countries, named in the article, to discourage democracy and maintain the status quo of tyrants?

In light of your comment about "controlling bad people", how is the young Kurdish woman, written about in the piece quoted above, considered equal to "muggers, rapists and murderers"?

"In one 2002 case, a 17-year-old schoolgirl who was detained for distributing leaflets calling for the legalization of Kurdish education was stripped, threatened with rape and tortured with electric shocks to her feet, legs and stomach, according to Amnesty."

cheers

front

front, your posts are always well-written and thought-provoking.

for the rest of you, you are pretty damn quick to crap on repressive arab regimes, yet you are also incredibly quick to dismiss human rights and the environment. what do you care if non- english-speaking non-caucasians are tortured, right? the environment? that's for hippies, right? you're a bunch of sheep that resort to name-calling rather than assessing the information in an intelligent manner.
amnesty international and greenpeace do incredibly important work, and your derision is merely proof of your ignorance and selfishness. stop being so damn selfish...

martinexsquaddie
12-05-2003, 03:05 PM
now if you fancy being childish thhe best way to wind up amnesty we did this once go up to there stall and try to join prefably in uniform.
prefably with a superior in attetendace
soldier why are you trying to join amnesty
well sir its really great they send you a magazine with handy interrogation
tips and photos its really cool rofl
At this point amnesty usually lose it :lol:
Not big not clever but funny