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Seraphim
12-05-2003, 12:17 PM
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Anabelle Valencia, from Tucson, Arizona, shows photo of her daughter Gizelle Valencia, a U.S. service member to Iraqi police officers, near the US military base in Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s hometown of Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Friday, Dec. 5, 2003. Valencia hopes to see her daughter and son, who are in the Army. She arrived this week with a small delegation with other relatives of servicemen to bring a message of friendship for the people of Baghdad. (AP Photo Efrem Lukatsky)


By Michael Georgy

TIKRIT, Iraq (*******) - A peace activist accused the U.S. military on Friday of depriving her of the chance to visit her soldier daughter, telling her that the truck driver was on a mission.


But Lieutenant Colonel William MacDonald, spokesman for the U.S. Fourth Infantry Division in Tikrit, said he was trying to organize a meeting for Saturday.


Anabel Valencia said she had informed U.S. military officials that she would be at the gates of the base at noon to see 24-year-old Giselle. She arrived only to discover that her daughter had been sent on a mission to Baghdad.


"I have not seen her in three years, I don't know why they are doing this," said Valencia, standing outside a sprawling U.S. military base in Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s hometown.


"The last time we spoke she said 'I miss you and my father and sister. I want to come home for Christmas but I have to finish my mission'."


"I feel so bad. I am sad," said Valencia, who was accompanied by Medea Benjamin of Global Exchange, an anti-war human rights group.


Several parents of Americans serving in Iraq (news - web sites) have come to the country to visit their children, including ones that were killed in the war that toppled Saddam.


Their presence just outside the military complex clearly made U.S. troops nervous. One arrived with a sniffer dog and firmly told Valencia to keep a distance from the main checkpoint.


"Can I talk to her?" Valencia asked before being told that Giselle had been sent on a mission to Baghdad, where her brother is also serving in the U.S. Army.


Valencia and her party were told that Giselle would be back at five o'clock. But MacDonald contradicted that claim.


"This mission has been scheduled for quite a while and you know she is a soldier. She is out performing her duty," he said.


One soldier stood by and reminded everyone that "this is a war and soldiers are sent on missions."


Giselle had spoken to her mother highly of her tour of duty in Iraq.


When a group of U.S.-trained Iraqi policemen showed up, American soldiers loaded their weapons.


"The Americans asked us to come here to stop the demonstration," said Iraqi policeman Mohanan Taha.


Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."


"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki.

Argyll
12-05-2003, 12:39 PM
Do you get the impression that these Iraqi cops are sneering at this mothers situation?
All I can say is that imagine having your Mum come into a combat zone ,whilst you are trying to do your job...........absoloutly absurd,what the hell are they trying to achieve?
have they even thought about the safety implications?Can you imagine that the good old Fedayeen see an opportunity to grab these half wits and hold them for Ransom,or even worse execute them,this beggars beyond belief!!

Seraphim
12-05-2003, 12:45 PM
Last paragraph is kind of weird. So hes saying that theres no human rights under Americans and yet he miss the days of Saddam...

Also so did the Americans asked the iraqi police to stop the mother demonstrating?


"The Americans asked us to come here to stop the demonstration," said Iraqi policeman Mohanan Taha.


Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."


"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki.

Seoulstriker
12-05-2003, 12:47 PM
A peace activist accused the U.S. military on Friday of depriving her of the chance to visit her soldier daughter, telling her that the truck driver was on a mission.

:roll:

i'm not really saying anything about her situation, only that she is taking the chance of trying to see her daughter to criticize the US military.

this is just like when the father/mother of a dead US soldier is publicized because he says something like: "My son died because Bush lied about the need to go to Iraq, etc, etc."

Roger Rabbit
12-05-2003, 12:48 PM
:roll: Is it just me or does this mother seem to be using her daughter to try and make a political statement?

Seoulstriker
12-05-2003, 12:49 PM
:roll: Is it just me or does this mother seem to be using her daughter to try and make a political statement?

check out my above statement. :D :hug: :hug:

Roger Rabbit
12-05-2003, 12:55 PM
:bash: i hit myself.

Chris1
12-05-2003, 02:08 PM
My main thought is
don't these people have jobs to go to?
obviously not, as I don't think I could go to my boss and say "I want to go to Iraq, give me a weeks leave now."
Apart from that
1) Obviously loves her daughter a lot if she hasn't seen her in three years
2) Unfortunately (to-be's take note) You cannot take time off overseas to see mummy no matter how much she demands (sorry gents)

Nawlins
12-05-2003, 02:15 PM
My main thought is
don't these people have jobs to go to?
obviously not, as I don't think I could go to my boss and say "I want to go to Iraq, give me a weeks leave now."
Apart from that
1) Obviously loves her daughter a lot if she hasn't seen her in three years
2) Unfortunately (to-be's take note) You cannot take time off overseas to see mummy no matter how much she demands (sorry gents)

It sounds like "Mommy" has an agenda. We haven't been in Iraq for three years, so either she hasn't made an effort to see her or this girl went straight from somewhere else to Iraq without a break for three years. I'm fairly certain everyone gets at least a few days every year or so, so I'm suspecting the former.

She must be ignorant to expect her daughter to get some family time while she's down-range. Wait till she gets leave and meet her somewhere else. :cantbeli:

The whole situation sounds quite ridiculous. That woman needs a good kick in the rear.

Chris1
12-05-2003, 02:18 PM
Sorry, sarcasm doesn't travel well
comment 1 was sarcasm :)
Ample opportunity in three years if she wants to make the effort, she's willing to travel to Iraq but not a barracks?

Nawlins
12-05-2003, 02:23 PM
Sorry, sarcasm doesn't travel well
comment 1 was sarcasm :)
Ample opportunity in three years if she wants to make the effort, she's willing to travel to Iraq but not a barracks?

I know, I was agreeing with you and elaborating with my own opinion. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Seoulstriker
12-05-2003, 02:27 PM
Nawlins and everyone else: there is only one thing you need to know:

A peace activist accused the U.S. military on Friday of depriving her of the chance to visit her soldier daughter, telling her that the truck driver was on a mission.

Chris1
12-05-2003, 02:28 PM
Nawlins, righty nevermind then :)

Jack Mehoff
12-05-2003, 02:36 PM
Military allows you to have an entire month paid vacation each year to do whatever you want. Yup, sounds like that woman used that excuse to promote her agenda.

NcDeuce
12-05-2003, 02:40 PM
Aww...mommy... :hug:

NOT!

Cool new avatar, Jack.

Seoulstriker
12-05-2003, 02:41 PM
Cool new avatar, Jack.

which movie is that?

NcDeuce
12-05-2003, 02:45 PM
Saving Private Ryan

Nawlins
12-05-2003, 02:54 PM
Nawlins and everyone else: there is only one thing you need to know:

A peace activist accused the U.S. military on Friday of depriving her of the chance to visit her soldier daughter, telling her that the truck driver was on a mission.

Right. My point exactly.

JF45
12-05-2003, 03:20 PM
I guess they should stop everything, forget about moving supplies and hunting insurgents so she could see her daughter.

Go figure. A soldier in a combat zone is on a mission. Now what's the chance of that happening?

Dave the Dawg
12-05-2003, 03:33 PM
"The Americans asked us to come here to stop the demonstration," said Iraqi policeman Mohanan Taha.

Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."

"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki.
One of the concerns of accelerating the "Iraqification" of the occupation by putting more Iraqi Police, Civil Defense Corps, etc. on the streets was that, by rushing the process, we might not sufficiently review the candidates to prevent Ba'athists and Ba'athist sympathizers from returning to their old jobs and old ways. Might this be evidence that such concerns are valid, to say the least?

usa320
12-05-2003, 03:38 PM
Maybe the reason she cant see her daughter is the daughter doesnt want to.


I want to come home for Christmas but I have to finish my mission'."


SOunds like to me the mother lacks a good relationship with the daughter, hence not seeing her for 3 years, and has suddenly returned while her daughter is making an important difference in the world to try and make a twisted political statement.

I say if the bitch keeps comming to the gate of the base, detain her for tresspassing. Her daughter knew what she was getting into when she signed up, and after reading the above quote, i think she still realizes she has a job to do. its up to the mother to realize it as well.

Seoulstriker
12-05-2003, 03:50 PM
Maybe the reason she cant see her daughter is the daughter doesnt want to.


I want to come home for Christmas but I have to finish my mission'."


SOunds like to me the mother lacks a good relationship with the daughter, hence not seeing her for 3 years, and has suddenly returned while her daughter is making an important difference in the world to try and make a twisted political statement.

I say if the bitch keeps comming to the gate of the base, detain her for tresspassing. Her daughter knew what she was getting into when she signed up, and after reading the above quote, i think she still realizes she has a job to do. its up to the mother to realize it as well.

excellent point, man. if my mom was a hard-core "peace-activist", and i was serving in the military, i certainly wouldn't want to come and hear her talk about what i am doing is wrong.

if the mother hasn't seen her daughter in 3 years, that's her fault. OIF hasn't lasted 1 year. what about those 2 other years???

JF45
12-05-2003, 04:09 PM
excellent point, man. if my mom was a hard-core "peace-activist", and i was serving in the military, i certainly wouldn't want to come and hear her talk about what i am doing is wrong.

if the mother hasn't seen her daughter in 3 years, that's her fault. OIF hasn't lasted 1 year. what about those 2 other years???
Maybe she found out her mother was coming and volunteered for any mission there was. :D

Seoulstriker
12-05-2003, 04:14 PM
excellent point, man. if my mom was a hard-core "peace-activist", and i was serving in the military, i certainly wouldn't want to come and hear her talk about what i am doing is wrong.

if the mother hasn't seen her daughter in 3 years, that's her fault. OIF hasn't lasted 1 year. what about those 2 other years???
Maybe she found out her mother was coming and volunteered for any mission there was. :D


that's what i was thinking also. :hug:

the story makes it seem like the brass put her on the mission just to spite her mother, but we know the real story. woot woot woot

Uncle Sam
12-05-2003, 05:27 PM
Hopefully not another "Hanoi Jane"....I'm not Fonda "Hanoi Jane"...

Midtown
12-05-2003, 05:42 PM
Once again...this is the sign I want posted at the borders of America

Welcome to America.
Get a job.
and shut the **** up.

I cant handle whiney protesters, I have some very intresting stories about me arguing with protesters at my school...You know your good when you can make a hippie violent.