Hamas attack foiled in North America!

[Nizark]

According to debka.com "A North American Hamas terrorist cell was uncovered when Israel detained Canadian Jemal Akal, 23, at Rafah crossing on Nov. 1 after course with Gazan Hamas in explosives-making and marksmanship. He was planning terror attacks in Canada on his return. Israeli court remanded him Thursday. Hamas is leading group in current truce talks in Cairo."

Canada as a target of terror, huh? I dont buy that. Maybe just a passing through before a hit in the US. But hamas? They are able to raise so much money in the US, why woud they want to **** things up so badly?

[jdbjdb]

They must be getting impatient, and want to cause chaos as soon as possible. But if they could strike in Canada they would, just as other terrorist would, reason being they are an allie, the open border we share.

[usa320]

The minute Hamas strikes Anywhere in Canada or EUrope or America, is the minute that the US gets serious.

[Falco]

They must be getting impatient, and want to cause chaos as soon as possible. But if they could strike in Canada they would, just as other terrorist would, reason being they are an allie, the open border we share.

a terrorist attack on the US would have more impact since ... well ... it's the US.

[Fioraon]

The minute Hamas strikes Anywhere in Canada or EUrope or America, is the minute that the US gets serious.

What we aren't serious now. Why canada? Well maybe you just dont get it, canada isn't Arab.

[Saranof]

that's what the site sais the ISRAELIS say. But we all know they benefit from saying that he was planning this and that.
Sorry, I want more proof before I belive that. Just seems illogical.

[S'13]

Sorry, I want more proof before I belive that. Just seems illogical.

I'm sure many would have said the same if someone told them on the 10th of September, 2001 that Al-Qaida was planing to use hijacked airplanes as guided missiles and hit three of the most important symbols of the U.S and kill over 3000 people.
Oh I forgot, the attacks were actually executed by the Mossad as part of a Zionist scheme to take over the world. That's more logical. :roll:

[Dalleer]

Uh, Canada eh?

[ArmoredDov_D9]

It may be more than possible that Hamas was planing to attack Jewish targets in Canada. Don't you rember, guys, the serious terror bombing of the Jewish agency in Buenos-Aires in 1992 by Hizbullah? The Arab terrorists groups are murderous suicidal zealots who sacntify senseless onslaught in the name of Allah.

[maw]

yup, anything's possible.
however, debka.com is not even a remotely reliable source for information. but why canada? because they produce tons of good bacon? in the past, extremists have used cananda as a conduit to get to america (remember the seattle tower bomber?).

[Javehn]

What's not reliable information ? bellieve me , that happened .
And that's not the first time arab terrorists attacking abroad . Those 2 people came on Gaza streap to learn making bomb devices , so they can after that bomb jewish targets (i am not shure if it's in canada or elsewhere ) . Israeli millitary court have prolong there detent until the trial .

[Mr. Nielsen]

I'm sure many would have said the same if someone told them on the 10th of September, 2001 that Al-Qaida was planing to use hijacked airplanes as guided missiles and hit three of the most important symbols of the U.S and kill over 3000 people.

I'm sure many would have found it quite likely, had they prior to 911, heard that Osama bin-Laden planned a terror attack in the U.S.

[Mr. Nielsen]

It may be more than possible that Hamas was planing to attack Jewish targets in Canada. Don't you rember, guys, the serious terror bombing of the Jewish agency in Buenos-Aires in 1992 by Hizbullah?

Was it Hizbullah? Hizbullah usually operated in Lebanon and the northern part of Israel. By a glance one would be tempted to say that the bombings in Argentina had more in common with the bombings in africa in 1998.

[Mr. Nielsen]

As to the main subject I would agree that it seems a bit hard to believe the Hamas is planning to strike in Canada or the US. Particular at a time when they are negotiating ceasefires with the egyptians.

If the story is based on what the arrested canadian has told his interogators it might not be much worth as the use of torture is alledged:

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/12/05/israel_canadian031205

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=368916&contrassID=1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

[S'13]

I'm sure many would have said the same if someone told them on the 10th of September, 2001 that Al-Qaida was planing to use hijacked airplanes as guided missiles and hit three of the most important symbols of the U.S and kill over 3000 people.

I'm sure many would have found it quite likely, had they prior to 911, heard that Osama bin-Laden planned a terror attack in the U.S.

You would be surprised to know that prior to the 9/11 attacks, a U.S official said Ben-Laden is like an annoying fly and that his actions have no great influence. We saw how valid that was.
Up until 9/11 Al-Qaida never (except for the first attack on the WTC) carried out attacks on American soil and many probably thought they wouldn't, just like many think Hamas won't dare carry out attacks on U.S/Canadian soil.

[He219]

Here's an exerpt from the article I read yesterday...



http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/akkal_jamal031205.jpg

Israel alleges Hamas recruited Akkal to train him to carry out attacks on Jews and Israelis in North America.

Israel says he confessed under interrogation. Akkal denies all of the allegations against him.

Akkal's lawyer, Jamil al-Qhateb, says the Israelis tortured his client by keeping him awake for 20 days. He then had to sign a confession written in Hebrew, a language he doesn't speak, said al-Qhateb.

"They didn't let him sleep, all the time they asked him questions and I think because he got so tired…he didn't know what (answers) he had already given them," said al-Qhateb.

Al-Qhateb says Akkal has acknowledged meeting a man who may have links to Hamas. He also says he fired eight bullets from an automatic weapon during his time in Gaza.

Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs says it has no knowledge of any confession and that Akkal has not been charged with anything after a month in custody. Two Canadian consular officials visited Akkal on Thursday after an appearance in a military court in Ashkelon, south of Tel Aviv.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/12/05/israel_canadian031205

[IDFM203]

Here's an exerpt from the article I read yesterday...
Israel alleges Hamas recruited Akkal to train him to carry out attacks on Jews and Israelis in North America.

Israel says he confessed under interrogation. Akkal denies all of the allegations against him.

Akkal's lawyer, Jamil al-Qhateb, says the Israelis tortured his client by keeping him awake for 20 days.

Listen here on the net we don’t have concrete proof to anything. The Israeli’s say he was planning something and they claim they have evidence (confession and other things….) and the accused through his layers says he wasn’t and says the usual things that any good lawyer would allege and Canada is just looking out for its citizens. Everyone is reacting as expected.....its like with the U.S. and guatonomo (sp?) bay or also all those prisoners held in the U.S. the government says one thing and the accused say another. and everyone according to thier bias acts and responds in thier perdictable manner.

In this case I will concede that we here on the net don’t have proof one way or another and while I most defiantly inclined to believe Israeli security forces on this for I cant see why if they didn’t feel he was planning this, they would make it up for surly they would expect this response from the outside world which is very predictable, and I guess I can understand somewhat why others will believe the accused on this.

Besides that though the real reason for my post is to comment on the extreme likelihood that terrorist organisation’s most defiantly would target the U.S. and Canada and more specifically Jewish institutions in those nations. This is not mere conjecture but rather sane analytical reasoning based on constant reports of just that likelihood that have surfaced throughout the years. It is no coincidence that in recent years Jewish organisation around North America have beefed up security and have become more vigilant. To discount that very real possibly would be beyond naive.

shalom :D

[MaCV-SOG]

Why wouldnt Canada be a target of terror??

Canada is a strong allie of the United States, they are a strong presents in War on Terror. Why wouldnt they? There an equal target as the US, Australia, UK etc

[Vance]

Because everyone loves Canadians

[StarvingStudent47]

yup, anything's possible.
however, debka.com is not even a remotely reliable source for information. but why canada? because they produce tons of good bacon? in the past, extremists have used cananda as a conduit to get to america (remember the seattle tower bomber?).

Why kill Jews in Turkey? Why kill Jews in France? Why kill Jews in Argentina? Why kill Jews in Africa?

Muslim terrorist groups have targeted Jewish populations in all these places. I don't see why Canada is so much harder to believe.

[Javehn]

I don't understand what is your problem to bellieve . Hi's intent was to do terror act on jewish community inside Canada , not just to blow inside Canada. Just like allready done in Turkey somewhere like month ago . It's seems to be the tactic from now on - it became relatively difficult due to IDF operations on the Palestinian territories , so they copying the fight abbroad Israel ,manipulating arab non-palestinian population by money or other means to terror inside Israel or Israel community.

somewhere like 6 month ago British citizen was cought in Israel on his way to do a terror act . He was muslim British citizen . some europe citizens are training in "terror boot camps" , inside Gaza streap . That's all to it .

[S'13]

somewhere like 6 month ago British citizen was cought in Israel on his way to do a terror act . He was muslim British citizen . some europe citizens are training in "terror boot camps" , inside Gaza streap . That's all to it .

One British citizen even managed to carry out a suicied attack on a pub in Tel-Aviv. This attack resulted in the death of three people.

[Mr. Nielsen]

You would be surprised to know that prior to the 9/11 attacks, a U.S official said Ben-Laden is like an annoying fly and that his actions have no great influence. We saw how valid that was.

You are undoubtedly right that many didn't fully realize the threat of bin Ladens organization. But he had directly targeted the US before. And as as I have understood the Clinton and Bush administrations were working on the case at highest levels before 911.

[jdbjdb]

With the renewed threats from Palestinian terrorist, its time to start hunting them down and killing them.

[pretorian669]

MY canadian friends time to grab those hockey sticks and kick some terrorist ass together with the other good guys... :bash:

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Lets put it this way if the article was true, it would be slapped over every canadian paper + in the news as the top story. I have seen niether in the past couple days. Terrorists will target whoever, I do not doubt that they would attack Canadians if they could. Either way this article isnt enough proof, if it was true us guys living here would tell you about it.

[IDFM203]

Lets put it this way if the article was true, it would be slapped over every canadian paper + in the news as the top story. I have seen niether in the past couple days. Terrorists will target whoever, I do not doubt that they would attack Canadians if they could. Either way this article isnt enough proof, if it was true us guys living here would tell you about it.As for proof like I said before
"Listen here on the net we don’t have concrete proof to anything. The Israeli’s say he was planning something and they claim they have evidence (confession and other things….) and the accused through his layers says he wasn’t and says the usual things that any good lawyer would allege and Canada is just looking out for its citizens. Everyone is reacting as expected.....its like with the U.S. and guatonomo (sp?) bay or also all those prisoners held in the U.S. the government says one thing and the accused say another. and everyone according to thier bias acts and responds in thier perdictable manner.

In this case I will concede that we here on the net don’t have proof one way or another and while I most defiantly inclined to believe Israeli security forces on this for I cant see why if they didn’t feel he was planning this, they would make it up for surly they would expect this response from the outside world which is very predictable, and I guess I can understand somewhat why others will believe the accused on this”



Also we have links here to CBC articles (which means it was on TV there)and I am sure it was mentioned in the papers there (oh of course I recognise that they were questioning whether it is true or not but it was reported). Anyway’s either way, whether something is mentioned in a newspaper or not has no bearing on whether something is true or not!!!

Like I said above, we here on the net don’t have concrete proof and as such you can believe anything you want but at the same time I urge you not to automatically discount something or this incident as not true simply because it wasn’t in the Canadian news.

shalom :D

[Nizark]

The minute Hamas strikes Anywhere in Canada or EUrope or America, is the minute that the US gets serious.

What we aren't serious now. Why canada? Well maybe you just dont get it, canada isn't Arab.

We are not serious on Hamas...we cut off money and things like that, but nothing too heavy. We could go after their schools, and real infrastructure, or simply tell the israeli to go nuts on them in syria, lebanon and in the territories, and we woudl back them up in the UN and in any other way we could.
You think they would have done Canada because it is a soft target?

[Deuterium]

MY canadian friends time to grab those hockey sticks and kick some terrorist ass together with the other good guys... :bash:

Coincidence? Ducimus doesn't post for a couple of days and now this? Hmmmmmmm.

[Pille1234]

Why would anyone attack Canada? I'm sure it's teh most popular country. Never heard someone speaking bad about Canada.

[pretorian669]

MY canadian friends time to grab those hockey sticks and kick some terrorist ass together with the other good guys... :bash:

Coincidence? Ducimus doesn't post for a couple of days and now this? Hmmmmmmm.

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