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US forces have admitted mistakenly killing nine children when they bombed a target in southern Afghanistan.
Afghan sources told the BBC that the Americans had intelligence that Taleban fighters were preparing an attack from a house near the city of Ghazni.
A US military spokesman said they had information that a known terrorist was in the area but they were unaware of that children were also there.
Spokesman Major Christopher West said an investigation was under way.
The Coalition Forces regret the loss of any innocent life
Major Christopher West, US military spokesman
Major West said the suspect, who also died in the bombing, was thought to be behind the murders of two foreign contractors working on a ring road, he said.
Acting on "extensive intelligence", he said an A10 "Warthog" - a heavily armoured plane - was called in and opened fire on the isolated rural site.
The bodies of the children and that of the suspect were discovered afterwards.
The US military followed "stringent rules of engagement" to avoid such incidents, Major West added.
"The Coalition Forces regret the loss of any innocent life," he added.
Series of bombings
Afghan government sources said they believed the incident was a mistake.
But the BBC's Lyse Doucet said the attack on what seems to have been innocent Afghans is certain to anger the local population.
Saturday's bombing is the latest in a series of attacks by US-led forces which have resulted in the deaths of dozens of Afghan civilians since the start of the campaign against the Taleban and al-Qaeda in October 2001.
Afghan officials said in September eight nomads were among 10 people killed when US forces bombed targets in a massive offensive against suspected militants.
The US military is investigating that attack after initially denying any civilians were killed.
Accusations
In July last year, American forces killed at least 48 civilians when a stray bomb hit a civilian area in the southern province of Uruzgan.
Twenty-five of the dead were from a single family attending a wedding.
Although in many areas Afghans welcome the presence of American troops and other foreigners, this is not the case in some southern and eastern parts, our correspondent says.
With thousands of US troops still pursuing remaining al-Qaeda and Taleban elements, there is sometimes resentment at what is perceived as American heavy-handedness.
Ghazni was also the scene three weeks ago of the murder of a UN worker who was shot dead in broad daylight in the market.
Bystanders attacked the assailants and there was widespread condemnation of the incident, responsibility for which was later claimed by the Taleban.
Deuterium
12-06-2003, 08:06 PM
I don't know about being unreported. I read this on EarlyBird.
Largely unreported then..
California Joe
12-06-2003, 08:08 PM
It would have been cool if you were visiting them that day.
It's a war, **** happens. the pilot will now have nightmares the rest of his life because of this. The people that planned 9/11 had a party. F*ck you.
California Joe
12-06-2003, 08:15 PM
Like Top said, I read it on the EarlyBird too. That means it was widely reported.
Deuterium
12-06-2003, 08:15 PM
Oh and as an underscore let's all remember that America (currently)does not plan attacks on civilians. Targets are ALWAYS of miltary significance. Do civilians get hurt/maimed/injured, unfortunately yes. But unlike terrorist our sole goal is not the death of innocent civilians. Mistakes happen in war, unfortunatley. Saying oops doesn't assuage the misery we have caused in our mistakes, fratricide, collateral damage. We can only continue to make every attempt to keep the these events from happening again. As someone who has planned air attacks, I sleep well at night.
Like Top said, I read it on the EarlyBird too. That means it was widely reported.
oh yeah! 2 places?
Oh and as an underscore let's all remember that America (currently)does not plan attacks on civilians. Targets are ALWAYS of miltary significance. Do civilians get hurt/maimed/injured, unfortunately yes. But unlike terrorist our sole goal is not the death of innocent civilians. Mistakes happen in war, unfortunatley. Saying oops doesn't assuage the misery we have caused in our mistakes, fratricide, collateral damage. We can only continue to make every attempt to keep the these events from happening again. As someone who has planned air attacks, I sleep well at night.
Absolutely, but it's not the army that havn't mentioned it, it's the media.
Deuterium
12-06-2003, 08:19 PM
Like Top said, I read it on the EarlyBird too. That means it was widely reported.
oh yeah! 2 places?
Don't make me Google your ass!!!! Come on, where have you been? Most of these reports, especially the wedding incident were WIDELY reported in western press.
Deuterium
12-06-2003, 08:21 PM
Oh and as an underscore let's all remember that America (currently)does not plan attacks on civilians. Targets are ALWAYS of miltary significance. Do civilians get hurt/maimed/injured, unfortunately yes. But unlike terrorist our sole goal is not the death of innocent civilians. Mistakes happen in war, unfortunatley. Saying oops doesn't assuage the misery we have caused in our mistakes, fratricide, collateral damage. We can only continue to make every attempt to keep the these events from happening again. As someone who has planned air attacks, I sleep well at night.
Absolutely, but it's not the army that havn't mentioned it, it's the media.
Well I disagree with your assertion but on this point why is it the military's responsibility to ensure reports are broadcast?
Like Top said, I read it on the EarlyBird too. That means it was widely reported.
oh yeah! 2 places?
Don't make me Google your ass!!!! Come on, where have you been? Most of these reports, especially the wedding incident were WIDELY reported in western press.
I googled my own arse before I posted it.. all google has is the bicycle bomb articles
California Joe
12-06-2003, 08:23 PM
EarlyBird is a compilation of news stories in the international media with DoD related themes for DoD. Plus opinions, pro and con. It's a fantastic resource.
Tane Angle
12-06-2003, 08:23 PM
I can't speak for the rest of the US, but here in NY it was actually on pretty muche very newspaper and TV news station. Huge deal, I remember when it happened. And it was talk heard in passing or whatnot, not just at work. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...
It's only a few hours old.. so it won't be the same story as in the papers, because they would probably turn up on google..
webfoots
12-06-2003, 08:27 PM
They just reported on it on my local TV news. Now back to the Big 12 championship game...
Deuterium
12-06-2003, 08:34 PM
Say when.... Like I said, this was huge news over here.
http://www.rwor.org/A/V24/1151-1160/1158/afghanistan.htm
http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/afghan0711.php
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0729-01.htm
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text7-2-2002-21666.asp
http://us.rediff.com/us/2002/jul/01ny.htm
http://www.doublestandards.org/oneill1.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,748300,00.html
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/s-wedding.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/02/1023864734657.html
Say when.... Like I said, this was huge news over here.
http://www.rwor.org/A/V24/1151-1160/1158/afghanistan.htm
Revolutionary Worker #1158, July 14, 2002
http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/afghan0711.php
Reprinted from the July 11, 2002, issue of Workers World news
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0729-01.htm
Published on Monday, July 29, 2002 in the Times of London
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text7-2-2002-21666.asp
By Guardian Newspapers, 7/2/2002
http://us.rediff.com/us/2002/jul/01ny.htm
the date is in the link
http://www.doublestandards.org/oneill1.html
1 July 2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,748300,00.html
Wednesday July 3, 2002
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/s-wedding.htm
The Guardian, July 1, 2002
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/02/1023864734657.html
July 3 2002
I put the dates of the various articles under each one so that you see my point...
The story I'm talking about happened on saturday the 6th of december 2003, not july 2002. Ok?
webfoots
12-06-2003, 08:56 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031207/ap_on_re_mi_ea/afghan_attack&cid=540&ncid=716
That's better.. took their time though, and that is only one.. definately couldn't have been in the papers this morning if that is only 19mins old.
Tane Angle
12-06-2003, 09:06 PM
Oh, my mistake, sorry. I thought you were talking about the old incident, not a new one. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...
Vance
12-06-2003, 09:08 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/central/12/06/afghan.attack.ap/index.html
What time is the evening news in the US?
Tane Angle
12-06-2003, 09:11 PM
On the East Coast (the earliest), we still have either one hour or two, depending on what station one watches.
Deuterium
12-06-2003, 09:12 PM
Say when.... Like I said, this was huge news over here.
http://www.rwor.org/A/V24/1151-1160/1158/afghanistan.htm
Revolutionary Worker #1158, July 14, 2002
http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/afghan0711.php
Reprinted from the July 11, 2002, issue of Workers World news
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0729-01.htm
Published on Monday, July 29, 2002 in the Times of London
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text7-2-2002-21666.asp
By Guardian Newspapers, 7/2/2002
http://us.rediff.com/us/2002/jul/01ny.htm
the date is in the link
http://www.doublestandards.org/oneill1.html
1 July 2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,748300,00.html
Wednesday July 3, 2002
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/s-wedding.htm
The Guardian, July 1, 2002
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/02/1023864734657.html
July 3 2002
I put the dates of the various articles under each one so that you see my point...
The story I'm talking about happened on saturday the 6th of december 2003, not july 2002. Ok?
OK got ya. I thought you were refering to a llarger issue of non-reporting of American screw-ups in the past. My bad.
No worries, if anything you backed me up.
webfoots
12-06-2003, 09:15 PM
Cut, where are you? Just trying to figure out how you know what gets reported and what doesn't.
Most nightly news programs come on around 6pm local time.
On the East Coast (the earliest), we still have either one hour or two, depending on what station one watches.
Is one feeling royal? ;)
Vance
12-06-2003, 09:18 PM
What time is the evening news in the US?
At 10:00 PM. Which is in a little under 2 hours. Or is that the nightly news....
Cut, where are you? Just trying to figure out how you know what gets reported and what doesn't.
Most nightly news programs come on around 6pm local time.
Most things get reported on the internet first. I asked about what time the evening news was in the US to see if that was why the reports weren't put up till about 5 hours later. 5 hours is the time difference between GMT and the east coast.
What time is the evening news in the US?
At 10:00 PM. Which is in a little under 2 hours. Or is that the nightly news....
That's the answer I was looking for.. but you're in texas, right?
Vance
12-06-2003, 09:25 PM
So says my profile. Does it make a difference?
Deuterium
12-06-2003, 09:26 PM
What time is the evening news in the US?
At 10:00 PM. Which is in a little under 2 hours. Or is that the nightly news....
That's the answer I was looking for.. but you're in texas, right?
Its Saturday also. Not a big TV news watching period. I could turn on CNN but I don't want to throw bricks at my TV.
webfoots
12-06-2003, 09:32 PM
You'd rather get your news from Workers World news?
Jeez...
You'd rather get your news from Workers World news?
Jeez...
I think I speak for me and Deuterium in saying, hell no!
NcDeuce
12-07-2003, 05:17 PM
What time is the evening news in the US?
At 10:00 PM. Which is in a little under 2 hours. Or is that the nightly news....
That's the answer I was looking for.. but you're in texas, right?
Its Saturday also. Not a big TV news watching period. I could turn on CNN but I don't want to throw bricks at my TV.
You can buy those plastic or rubber bricks that are meant to be thrown at the T.V. Hehehe.
Seoulstriker
12-07-2003, 05:19 PM
i read it on all the major news agencies.
Vance
12-07-2003, 05:29 PM
It was on my city's front page.
ChuckThunder
12-07-2003, 05:43 PM
That was on the NBC news this morning, what are you talking about? :roll:
He219
12-07-2003, 05:48 PM
Your thread title is idiotic, cut. :roll:
It was the first thing (http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/News_Release.asp?NewsRelease=20031212.txt) I heard on NPR today.
What makes you think you know what is and is not reported in the US?
:cantbeli:
SFontaine
12-07-2003, 07:30 PM
First thing I heard bout on CNN when I woke up round noon.
Fioraon
12-07-2003, 07:45 PM
Cut, why would CNN, Fox, or MSNBC not report this? They report most trash why not report this juicy story with a spin crimnalizing the DoD for the murder of 'CHILDREN.' <- Media effect
Its idiotic to think that just because its an american paper its not going to get in. Most media outlets are always hungry to take a stab at the Government and the Military.
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