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Seraphim
12-07-2003, 04:19 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031207/ap_on_re_as/afghan_attack&cid=516&ncid=716


By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer

KABUL, Afghanistan - A U.S. air strike apparently killed nine children as well as the suspected militant who was targeted on Saturday in eastern Afghanistan (news - web sites), according to the U.S. military.



An American A-10 aircraft struck a site south of Ghazni, 100 miles southwest of the capital, Kabul, where a "known terrorist" was believed to be hiding at about 10:30 a.m. Saturday, Army Maj. Christopher E. West told The Associated Press.


"At the time we initiated the attack, we did not know there were children nearby," he said.


Jawaid Khan, the Ghazni governor's secretary, said that eight children and two men were killed but the intended target, whom he identified as a former Taliban commander named Mullah Wazir, was not among them.


"The Americans wanted to bomb Mullah Wazir, but they bombed a different house," Khan told the AP. "The people there are very afraid. They have no idea why the Americans bombed their village."


The target was a man believed responsible for the killing of two foreign contractors who were working on an Afghan road, West said. He did not identify the contractors and had no information about their deaths, but two Indian engineers were reported kidnapped while working on the road Saturday.


West said U.S. troops collected "extensive intelligence over an extended period of time" and located the suspect targeted Saturday at an "isolated, rural site."


West said the military was sending a team of investigators to the site to determine if U.S. forces were at fault.


"Following the attack, ground coalition forces searching the area found the bodies of both the intended target and those of nine children nearby," he said Sunday.


Afghan officials said the site was still cordoned off by coalition forces on Sunday.


Coalition forces "will make every effort to assist the families of these innocent casualties and determine the cause of the civilian deaths," West said from the U.S. headquarters in Bagram.


"We regret the loss of any innocent life and we follow stringent rules of engagement to specifically avoid this type of incident while continuing to target terrorists who threaten the future of Afghanistan," West said.


Another local official Ahmad Zia Masood said that Wazir had fired at U.S. helicopters on Friday.


Masood said it was unclear if the 10 victims were Wazir and his family or their neighbors. Another official, deputy governor Khial Mohammed Husseini, said Wazir's immediate family lived in Pakistan.


The Afghan officials said the attack took place in the village of Atla, just north of where the two Indian road engineers were kidnapped.


The kidnapped engineers, identified by their company as Mr. Murli and Mr. Vardaya, were working for an Indian contractor helping resurface part of the Kabul-Kandahar road, a reconstruction project mainly funded by the United States. The road was to be officially opened later this month.


Taliban attacks have plagued the flagship project. Four construction workers were killed at the end of August, and de-mining operations along the road were suspended last month after a carjacking. A Turk was abducted along the road last month.





Two contractors working for the CIA (news - web sites) also were killed in an Oct. 25 ambush as they were tracking terrorists operating in the region of Shkin, about 100 miles south of Kabul.

Also Saturday, a bomb in Kandahar, the main southern stronghold of the Taliban, ripped through a bustling bazaar, wounding 20 Afghans. Taliban fighters claimed responsibility, saying the blast was aimed at American soldiers but went off late.

The bomb, apparently attached to a parked motorcycle or bicycle, exploded in front of a hotel at about 12:30 p.m. in the city's main commercial district. The wounded included three children, Afghan state TV reported.

More than 11,500 U.S.-led forces have been trying to track down remnants of the Taliban and al-Qaida sympathizers in eastern and southern Afghanistan since ousting the hard-line Islamic regime two years ago. The militants have stepped up attacks in recent months, targeting foreign aid workers and perceived allies of the U.S.-led coalition.

Afghan police were searching for the Indians, whose vehicle was ambushed Saturday by three armed men in southern Zabul province as the engineers traveled along the country's main highway between the capital Kabul and Kandahar, officials said. There had been no word so far from the kidnappers, they said.

International aid agencies have scaled down operations in Afghanistan's south and east due to escalating violence, including the Nov. 16 shooting death of a French aid worker for the United Nations (news - web sites).

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Associated Press writer Chris Hawley in New York contributed to this report.

Trident-za
12-07-2003, 07:38 AM
Coalition forces "will make every effort to assist the families of these innocent casualties and determine the cause of the civilian deaths," West said from the U.S. headquarters in Bagram.


I know that "collateral damage" is a given in a war, but I don't understand how they intend to determine the cause of the civilian deaths. Isn't it kind of obvious?

Argyll
12-07-2003, 07:58 AM
West said U.S. troops collected "extensive intelligence over an extended period of time" and located the suspect targeted Saturday at an "isolated, rural site."


And did this same intelligence fail to report the presence of the kids there prior to the strike?......there are too many of these happening,and it will turn the feelings of many who see it happen all to often!

Maverick77
12-07-2003, 08:54 AM
its a war

it happens

Trident-za
12-07-2003, 09:07 AM
Well, I hope for the sake of the coalition troops that the Afghan civilians are as understanding as you.... I'm not saying you are wrong (these things obviously DO happen in war), but this seems like something went very wrong somewhere - faulty intelligence, or the wrong house was bombed. These sorts of things can be avoided.

Vance
12-07-2003, 09:50 AM
THe only upside to this is we killed the intended target. :|

Argyll
12-07-2003, 10:02 AM
I agree Vance,the objective WAS achieved,but at what cost?
Airborne it's a war but it's also pathetic intelligence if you actually cared to read the whole thread!!

It's not the 1st time **** intel has caused collateral damage!!

Vance
12-07-2003, 10:20 AM
Maybe, just maybe the reason this happened was this was too good to pass up and the intel either neglected to tell them that children were in the area or that they were so exited they didn't even notice. Most likely the first one.

California Joe
12-07-2003, 10:38 AM
A 10's do not discriminate, they really are terminators. If the intel sucked that's a huge failure. Tragic. Wasn't it an A 10 pilot that strafed the hell out of some British vehicles early in the conflict?

Argyll
12-07-2003, 11:19 AM
Seems strange to use Airpower insteadof the High speed Direct action types!!
Yeah Joe it was the A10,worse thing was he apparently made 2 passes,despite the brits showing the Union flag :( ,indeed **** happens!!

Roger Rabbit
12-07-2003, 11:39 AM
We all make mistakes and some mistakes are worse than others. The biggest problem is not the mistake but the response from people especially the American members of this board..."its war."

Maverick77
12-07-2003, 12:35 PM
It is war its happened since the dawn of warfare and it will continue to happen until there is no more war.

and there will always be war

aeternum
12-07-2003, 12:41 PM
Im not sure i got this right, but intelligence reported one single suspect, and they call in an air stike? Why not send in a team and capture/eleminate this guy. Jeeeez its like doing a brain surgery with a slaughter knife.....

Seraphim
12-07-2003, 12:48 PM
Im not sure i got this right, but intelligence reported one single suspect, and they call in an air stike? Why not send in a team and capture/eleminate this guy. Jeeeez its like doing a brain surgery with a slaughter knife.....

There are too many viriables to the event that we dont know...maybe they didnt have enough time to dispatch troops to the area.

Argyll
12-07-2003, 01:31 PM
extensive intel over a period of time!!!..........plenty of time to assess whether a DA approach would be feasable!
Does this also mean that there are areas within Afghanistan that are NOT under coalition control?

Armour recon
12-07-2003, 04:24 PM
ACCIDENT!!!???????? You really believe those kids were there by accidentially?

I DON'T THINK SO!

Those little bastards were probably told when the blast go off, you'll all go to candyland. Eat all you can!

rokus2595
12-07-2003, 04:49 PM
THe only upside to this is we killed the intended target. :|

not according to the villagers....


Local villagers in Afghanistan have contradicted US reports that the target of an air strike that killed nine children also died in the raid.

US officials said they were acting on extensive intelligence and had killed a former Taleban militant, Mullah Wazir.

But local Afghans told the BBC's Crispin Thorold the intended target had left the village 10 days earlier.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3298945.stm

Argyll
12-07-2003, 05:05 PM
Lets see if I get this one right here?
After long term Int and survaillance the target was positively identified as being in the target building?Yet the fact that there were also kids in the building,this lack of intel was ommited?
The US sent an A-10 instead of a DA group,as someone pointed ot that there were too many variables perhaps to do this?
Yet it was fine to send in a team to identify that they indeed got their man!!

Pardon me here guys but if this is the case then someone seriously screwed the pooch with this one!!

Hell yeah there's a war going on,but it means that the supposed Intel was utter bollocks...........again!!
I feel for that Warthog driver,he's gonna have this on his concience for the rest of his days

usa320
12-07-2003, 10:16 PM
THe fact of tha matter is that the target was offed, it was jsut unfortunate that there were children in the building that they didnt know about.

Fromt he reports ive read the afghans pretty much accept that in order to keep peace and prosperity they will occasionally have this kinda thing happen.

cut
12-07-2003, 10:18 PM
If it was just one guy why didn't they try and get him instead of bombing him?

aFgHaNibOi
12-08-2003, 12:31 AM
If it was just one guy why didn't they try and get him instead of bombing him?

Good question...FOR FU*K'S SAKE PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL HERE. YOU DON'T WANNA MESS IT ALL UP NOW. THERE ARE STILL HOPEFULL PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN THAT BELIEVE IN THE FORIEGN AID, BUT WHEN **** LIKE THIS HAPPENS IT'LL ONLY MESS IT ALL UP.

aFgHaNibOi
12-08-2003, 12:33 AM
Dec 2001: 65 killed in bombing of convoy of tribal elders
April 2002: Four Canadian soldiers killed
July 2002: 48 killed when bomb hits wedding party
April 2003: 11 killed by bomb in village of Shkin
Dec 2003: Nine children killed by bomb near Ghazni