The War in Iraq: Coalition Casualties

[Phil]

http://strategypage.com/the_war_in_iraq/casualties.asp

[Roaming East]

Well, The numbers dont prove or disprove anybodies stand. on one hand causalties are already low to the point that virtually any bump looks like a massive resurgence of violence....


gonna have just wade through this one and see where we stand in oh about 5-10 years :|

[obd]

uh, over 10,000 wounded and 1,500 KIA is not what I would consider "low" for the time period we have been in Iraq and for the size of the overall engagement. When you take into account that many of those wounded would have been KIA in World War 2 or Korea it becomes even more telling. In addition, many of those wounded might as well be KIA from the Army perspective because those men will never return to duty so thier "body" must be replaced with fresh meat that can walk, talk, see, and shoot. That takes its toll over time.

Frankly, Iraq is inflicting high casualties for a nation of its size........and the vast majority of those have been after Bush declared "Victory Day" in Iraq.

The Iraqi, Syrian, Saudi, Iranian, Chechen, Sudanese etc. militants have been doing quite well with what little they have. Now I hope that US Spec Ops are killing them by the dozens in the shadow war around the globe. I suspect that many of them are quitely being eliminated or captured around the world but I cant prove that. What I can prove is that the militants in Iraq are smart, bold, brave, skilled, and above all they are willing to die. I can also confidently state that until we address the root causes of terror the militants we kill will always be quickly and cheapy replaced and we will end up losing in the long run. If we want to win we have two options: 1. Address the root causes of terrorism 2). Committ genocide and seek to wipe out all Muslums (which doesnt mean some other group wont rise to take thier place as "fighters against US imperialism and domination"). I would suggest that addressing the root causes of terror in combination with killing those elements who will always be our enemy no matter what is the best road....................

Notice also, as I predicted last month, that the Iraqi's have begun to launch much bogger operations in a effort to produce a "mass casualty" situation among US troops.

Mark my words, the Iraqi's are willing to take big risks and lose a disproportionate number of men in order to achieve just one mass casualty attack and kill a few dozen US troops at one time. I think its only a matter of time before we see one succeed. Certainly they have come within a hair of success over the past weeks especially with suicide truck bombs. Individual Marine's bravery and combat skill and luck will only work so many times before the Muj get lucky and strike gold.............

I predict within the next 2-3 months the insurgency will launch a succesfull mass casualty attack and we will see at least a few dozen US casualties.

[Deuterium]

uh, over 10,000 wounded and 1,500 KIA is not what I would consider "low" for the time period we have been in Iraq and for the size of the overall engagement. When you take into account that many of those wounded would have been KIA in World War 2 or Korea it becomes even more telling. In addition, many of those wounded might as well be KIA from the Army perspective because those men will never return to duty so thier "body" must be replaced with fresh meat that can walk, talk, see, and shoot. That takes its toll over time.

Frankly, Iraq is inflicting high casualties for a nation of its size........and the vast majority of those have been after Bush declared "Victory Day" in Iraq.

The Iraqi, Syrian, Saudi, Iranian, Chechen, Sudanese etc. militants have been doing quite well with what little they have. Now I hope that US Spec Ops are killing them by the dozens in the shadow war around the globe. I suspect that many of them are quitely being eliminated or captured around the world but I cant prove that. What I can prove is that the militants in Iraq are smart, bold, brave, skilled, and above all they are willing to die. I can also confidently state that until we address the root causes of terror the militants we kill will always be quickly and cheapy replaced and we will end up losing in the long run. If we want to win we have two options: 1. Address the root causes of terrorism 2). Committ genocide and seek to wipe out all Muslums (which doesnt mean some other group wont rise to take thier place as "fighters against US imperialism and domination"). I would suggest that addressing the root causes of terror in combination with killing those elements who will always be our enemy no matter what is the best road....................

Notice also, as I predicted last month, that the Iraqi's have begun to launch much bogger operations in a effort to produce a "mass casualty" situation among US troops.

Mark my words, the Iraqi's are willing to take big risks and lose a disproportionate number of men in order to achieve just one mass casualty attack and kill a few dozen US troops at one time. I think its only a matter of time before we see one succeed. Certainly they have come within a hair of success over the past weeks especially with suicide truck bombs. Individual Marine's bravery and combat skill and luck will only work so many times before the Muj get lucky and strike gold.............

I predict within the next 2-3 months the insurgency will launch a succesfull mass casualty attack and we will see at least a few dozen US casualties.

??? Uhhhhh yeah....

[obd]

You have a different idea of things Deuterium???? Perhaps a more optimistic one?

If so then please share with us......................

[Roaming East]

Must be a bad situation in ones ranks when 12 dead from a major engagement qualify as 'mass causalties'. I have said it before and ill say it again. we aint seen nothing in iraq as compared to true insurgencies like oh i dont know, Vietnam? Check the man power strength there at various points as well as causlty figures, Iraq is still far safer than any other war we've been in. Hell we would have lost that many troops alone or more had Iraq never been invaded through car accidents and training mishaps.

[RavenW]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

[Secret Squirrel]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

Essentially none. There was no insurgency.

[Flagg]

uh, over 10,000 wounded and 1,500 KIA is not what I would consider "low" for the time period we have been in Iraq and for the size of the overall engagement. When you take into account that many of those wounded would have been KIA in World War 2 or Korea it becomes even more telling. In addition, many of those wounded might as well be KIA from the Army perspective because those men will never return to duty so thier "body" must be replaced with fresh meat that can walk, talk, see, and shoot. That takes its toll over time.

Frankly, Iraq is inflicting high casualties for a nation of its size........and the vast majority of those have been after Bush declared "Victory Day" in Iraq.

The Iraqi, Syrian, Saudi, Iranian, Chechen, Sudanese etc. militants have been doing quite well with what little they have. Now I hope that US Spec Ops are killing them by the dozens in the shadow war around the globe. I suspect that many of them are quitely being eliminated or captured around the world but I cant prove that. What I can prove is that the militants in Iraq are smart, bold, brave, skilled, and above all they are willing to die. I can also confidently state that until we address the root causes of terror the militants we kill will always be quickly and cheapy replaced and we will end up losing in the long run. If we want to win we have two options: 1. Address the root causes of terrorism 2). Committ genocide and seek to wipe out all Muslums (which doesnt mean some other group wont rise to take thier place as "fighters against US imperialism and domination"). I would suggest that addressing the root causes of terror in combination with killing those elements who will always be our enemy no matter what is the best road....................

Notice also, as I predicted last month, that the Iraqi's have begun to launch much bogger operations in a effort to produce a "mass casualty" situation among US troops.

Mark my words, the Iraqi's are willing to take big risks and lose a disproportionate number of men in order to achieve just one mass casualty attack and kill a few dozen US troops at one time. I think its only a matter of time before we see one succeed. Certainly they have come within a hair of success over the past weeks especially with suicide truck bombs. Individual Marine's bravery and combat skill and luck will only work so many times before the Muj get lucky and strike gold.............

I predict within the next 2-3 months the insurgency will launch a succesfull mass casualty attack and we will see at least a few dozen US casualties.

I predict your credibility on this forum will drop even lower than it's current Kelvin Scale Absolute Zero status

I predict, you'll make so many predictions that even you may predict one correctly and then you will smugly tell us how smart you are until the day the internet implodes.....which is hopefully soon.

[obd]

........and I PREDICT that you will keep sending me PM's until your wife gives you more attention........or you get another high maintanance dog like a poodle.........

[Flagg]

Hey obd!

Look!

There's some "neo-cons" plotting to destroy the world...go drop some Prozac and save us with your predictions!

[Roaming East]

i suddenly hear the music from the movie mortal kombat....

[obd]

Wow Flagg, now THAT hurt my feelings.................

Now stop wasting time on me Flagg. Destiny Church needs you up in Auckland.

[Argyll]

Hell we would have lost that many troops alone or more had Iraq never been invaded through car accidents and training mishaps.

Can you provide some historical data from the last ten years to back up this statement?[/quote]

Interesting to note the casualty level this first quarter is almost double of the same time span last year!!

[callous]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

Essentially none. There was no insurgency.

There actually was a resistance movement. It was active from 1944 to 1948. Most werewolves were shot on the spot. The British publicly executed them with a guillotine. I heard the French and Russians were even more brutal. There's a story of Russians executing 200 Germans as a reprisal for one werewolves attack.


Despite its failure, however, the Werewolf project had a huge impact, widening the psychological and spiritual gap between Germans and their occupiers. Werewolf killings and intimidation of `collaborators' scared almost everybody, giving German civilians a clear glimpse into the nihilistic heart of Nazism. It was difficult for people working under threat of such violence to devote themselves unreservedly to the initial tasks of reconstruction. Worse still, the Allies and Soviets reacted to the movement with extremely tough controls, curtailing the right of assembly of German civilians. Challenges of any sort were met by collective reprisals -- especially on the part of the Soviets and the French. In a few cases the occupiers even shot hostages and cleared out towns where instances of sabotage occurred. It was standard practice for the Soviets to destroy whole communities if they faced a single act of resistance. In the eastern fringes of the `Greater Reich', now annexed by the Poles and the Czechoslovaks, Werewolf harassment handed the new authorities an excuse to rush the deportations of millions of ethnic Germans to occupied Germany.

Such policies were understandable, but they created an unbridgeable gulf between the German people and the occupation forces who had pledged to impose essential reforms. It was hard, in such conditions, for the occupiers to encourage reform, and even harder to persuade the Germans that it was necessary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/952253/posts

[callous]

It's apple and oranges to campare the occupation of Germany to the occupation of Iraq. Everyone hated the Nazis. No one from nieghboring countries were going to Germany to help the insurgency.

You could get away with more brutal techniques then. Now it's a war crime to put panties on an insurgents head. I could only imagine if we cut there heads of with a guillotine.

[RavenW]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

Essentially none. There was no insurgency.

wrong and wrong

First there was quiet a strong insurgency in some areas of Germany after the war, and American GIs died indeed fighting those insurgents as well as some Americans were ambushed and assasined by them. There was a whole movie about it on History channel, unfotunately I forgot the numbers. The number of Americans wounded was more than a thousand.
That I remember.

Secondly, Nazi were not hated by all and in fact some of the insurgency of former SS and nationalist units continue up until 1954.

Not even to mention that many Latvians, Ukranians were eager to help the Nazis after the war as they made their own insurgency against Soviet forces.

Central europe was pretty unstable place first couple of years after the war, and Allies suppressed anything that moved with swift brutal revenge... Ahhh... good old days!

[Secret Squirrel]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

Essentially none. There was no insurgency.

There actually was a resistance movement. It was active from 1944 to 1948. Most werewolves were shot on the spot. The British publicly executed them with a guillotine. I heard the French and Russians were even more brutal. There's a story of Russians executing 200 Germans as a reprisal for one werewolves attack.


Despite its failure, however, the Werewolf project had a huge impact, widening the psychological and spiritual gap between Germans and their occupiers. Werewolf killings and intimidation of `collaborators' scared almost everybody, giving German civilians a clear glimpse into the nihilistic heart of Nazism. It was difficult for people working under threat of such violence to devote themselves unreservedly to the initial tasks of reconstruction. Worse still, the Allies and Soviets reacted to the movement with extremely tough controls, curtailing the right of assembly of German civilians. Challenges of any sort were met by collective reprisals -- especially on the part of the Soviets and the French. In a few cases the occupiers even shot hostages and cleared out towns where instances of sabotage occurred. It was standard practice for the Soviets to destroy whole communities if they faced a single act of resistance. In the eastern fringes of the `Greater Reich', now annexed by the Poles and the Czechoslovaks, Werewolf harassment handed the new authorities an excuse to rush the deportations of millions of ethnic Germans to occupied Germany.

Such policies were understandable, but they created an unbridgeable gulf between the German people and the occupation forces who had pledged to impose essential reforms. It was hard, in such conditions, for the occupiers to encourage reform, and even harder to persuade the Germans that it was necessary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/952253/posts

Check the archives, both in the U.S and Germany and see if you can find primary evidence to back up the b.s that you posted from the free retard's website., because I've been through some archives, and I've talked to many experts in this field, and they disagree with the often mythological and deluded assessment of the werewolves. ;)

[Roaming East]

Hell we would have lost that many troops alone or more had Iraq never been invaded through car accidents and training mishaps.

Can you provide some historical data from the last ten years to back up this statement?

Interesting to note the casualty level this first quarter is almost double of the same time span last year!![/quote]

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf

Thats since 1980...great deal of homicides and accidents

[callous]

Would you believe it more if it came fromNPR?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1416109

Or is the whole Nazis guerilla stories all made up?

[callous]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

Essentially none. There was no insurgency.

wrong and wrong

First there was quiet a strong insurgency in some areas of Germany after the war, and American GIs died indeed fighting those insurgents as well as some Americans were ambushed and assasined by them. There was a whole movie about it on History channel, unfotunately I forgot the numbers. The number of Americans wounded was more than a thousand.
That I remember.

Secondly, Nazi were not hated by all and in fact some of the insurgency of former SS and nationalist units continue up until 1954.

Not even to mention that many Latvians, Ukranians were eager to help the Nazis after the war as they made their own insurgency against Soviet forces.

Central europe was pretty unstable place first couple of years after the war, and Allies suppressed anything that moved with swift brutal revenge... Ahhh... good old days!

How many people from other countries went to germany to help the guerillas?

[Secret Squirrel]

Would you believe it more if it came fromNPR?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1416109

Or is the whole Nazis guerilla stories all made up?

As I said, show me some primary docs regarding activities in the American section.

psst...did you ever listen to the link you posted? It mentioned the assassination of a mayor and thats it (which is pretty much their only claim to fame).

[username]

That **** breaks my heart, some fkn family gets this letter you boy's not comming home... :(

[Jani.R]

That **** breaks my heart, some fkn family gets this letter you boy's not comming home... :(

War is bitch.

They know the dangers when they sign up.

[Prometheus]

Would you believe it more if it came fromNPR?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1416109

Or is the whole Nazis guerilla stories all made up?


The fairytales about "Werwolf"-Units were mainly Propaganda. The Nazis tried to form such units in the last months of WW2 but AFAIK there was not a single "Werwolf"-Attack after the German capitulation on German territory. The Germans simply were fed up to the back teeth from war and violence.

The only cases of insurgent attacks against allied forces I know occurred in the last months of the war but they stopped after the end of the war.

[Para]

callous

I was wondering just what you are smoking, you stated the Britain publicly executed people with the guillotine, as Britain has never ever used the guillotine I was wondering just what research you had done on your article if any. Or you must be out of it on drink or drugs, but then again you are probably to young to get served any alcohol, so it must be the weed.

[callous]

callous

I was wondering just what you are smoking, you stated the Britain publicly executed people with the guillotine, as Britain has never ever used the guillotine I was wondering just what research you had done on your article if any. Or you must be out of it on drink or drugs, but then again you are probably to young to get served any alcohol, so it must be the weed.


I got that from the history channel.

http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/full_details/World_history/programme_2412.php

[Argyll]

Hell we would have lost that many troops alone or more had Iraq never been invaded through car accidents and training mishaps.

Can you provide some historical data from the last ten years to back up this statement?

Interesting to note the casualty level this first quarter is almost double of the same time span last year!!

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf

Thats since 1980...great deal of homicides and accidents[/quote]

Interesting table!!

[Sayeret]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

-Over forty americans were killed were killed in the insurgency in Germany after the war. Here's actually a list of other facts about the insurgency from another thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20617&highlight=werwolf


-The werwolves actually started using guerilla tactics before the war ended.

-In one operation werwolves assassinated the mayor of the first town the US occupied.

-The US often executed werwolves they captured because they were violating the rules of war by wearing US uniforms or civilian clothes

-Werwolf groups using operated with six people and 15% of the werwolves were women.

-The US retaliated to werwolf attacks in many ways. For example when a US soldier was killed by a sniper in an occupied town, thirteen German soldiers were executed.

-In one instance the French took every man in a German town prisoner and held them prisoner for two or three days without giving them food, in response to an attack.

-In one instance in which one Russian soldier was killed, 200 men from a German town were taken out and executed.

-Poisoned alcohol was left with dead German soldiers in Soviet Union as the Germans retreated. The alcohol was poisoned with methane and meant to kill Soviet soldiers they believed when drink it while they were celebrating.

-Calling cards were often left behind after werwolf attacks.

-Explosive coals were mixed with coals, which would explode when throw in a boiler. The werwolves hoped to kill Allied soldiers through this mean.

-Over forty americans were killed

-Most germans were tired of fighting and 77,000 people rallied after a small group of Nazis carried out six attacks in their city.

-German citizens were required questionnaire for de-nazification.

-The Allies rarely published reports of werewolf attacks because they were worried that would only encourage more attacks.

-There were werewolves attacked as late as 1947.

[RavenW]

Does anyone have numbers of how many Americans died/wounded during the insurgency in Germany after WWII 1945-1954?

-Over forty americans were killed were killed in the insurgency in Germany after the war. Here's actually a list of other facts about the insurgency from another thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20617&highlight=werwolf


-The werwolves actually started using guerilla tactics before the war ended.

-In one operation werwolves assassinated the mayor of the first town the US occupied.

-The US often executed werwolves they captured because they were violating the rules of war by wearing US uniforms or civilian clothes

-Werwolf groups using operated with six people and 15% of the werwolves were women.

-The US retaliated to werwolf attacks in many ways. For example when a US soldier was killed by a sniper in an occupied town, thirteen German soldiers were executed.

-In one instance the French took every man in a German town prisoner and held them prisoner for two or three days without giving them food, in response to an attack.

-In one instance in which one Russian soldier was killed, 200 men from a German town were taken out and executed.

-Poisoned alcohol was left with dead German soldiers in Soviet Union as the Germans retreated. The alcohol was poisoned with methane and meant to kill Soviet soldiers they believed when drink it while they were celebrating.

-Calling cards were often left behind after werwolf attacks.

-Explosive coals were mixed with coals, which would explode when throw in a boiler. The werwolves hoped to kill Allied soldiers through this mean.

-Over forty americans were killed

-Most germans were tired of fighting and 77,000 people rallied after a small group of Nazis carried out six attacks in their city.

-German citizens were required questionnaire for de-nazification.

-The Allies rarely published reports of werewolf attacks because they were worried that would only encourage more attacks.

-There were werewolves attacked as late as 1947.

thanks man

now, finally, someone goes and brings the numbers

does anyone knows # of wounded?