Spanish BB's,BC's,CA's and CL's Fleet(1905-1935)

[Almirante Gravina]

Hello!
i have here some Historical information.Spanish army was defeated in the 98 war(with the USA) and most of our BB's,too.Battleship Pelayo,Battle Cruiser Carlos V(out of service in 1900)and several destroyers were the last ships of our armada,one of the strongest of the world a hundred years ago,fighting with England,allied with French against the english....

The re-arm program was programmed since king Alfonso XIII of Spain
get on the throne.The first Ley Maura-Ferrandiz was prepared on december of 1903,and Spanish Arsenals built two battleships,that where laid down to the armada on July 1905.
These two units were a provisional measure in order to get an improved vessel, until the finances of the country were able to build full scalled dreadnougths. They far from perfect, however until the first true dreadnoughts entered service in early 1914, these were the backbone of the Armada.

Units of the class: Numancia, Arapiles

Numancia Class BB

http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/Acorazado1905
Numancia Class Battleship, laid down 1905

Length, 480 ft x Beam, 82.0 ft x Depth, 26.0 ft
17543 tons normal displacement (16464 tons standard)

Main battery: 4 x 12.0-inch (2 x 2)
Secondary battery: 4 x 12.0-inch (4 x 1)
QF battery: 12 x 5.9-inch
Light battery: 10 x 3.0-inch

Weight of broadside: 8279 lbs

4 TT, 21.0" (submerged)

Main belt, 12.0 inches; bow and stern, 5.0 inches
Upper belt, 6.0 inches
Armor deck, average 2.0 inches
C.T., 12.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 12.0" / secondary, 12.0"
QF, 6.0" / light guns, 1.0" shields

Maximum speed for 14939 ihp = 18.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 5900 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 762-991


Estimated cost, $6.849 million (£1.712 million)

Here was thought that the two BB's(pre-dreadnoughts,obviously influenced by german designs)will be enough to defend the country.Spain was happy cause of economic impulse when most of Morocco is put under spanish rule by an agreement with France effectively joining the Spanish sahara provinces with the spanish cities in the northern coast.

After this theres an increasing germanic economical support, as a way to push the country towards the Central Empires, spanish designers are thereby strongly influenced in this period by german designs.

But, in 1905,after the embarrasing defeat of the Russians by Japaneses on Tsushime,the government decided to prevent this dangers,so they ****unciated the 1907 re-arm program.

[Almirante Gravina]

After the two Numancias, the naval building was slowed down, and until 1909, no other ship was laid down for the Armada. These light BCs are projected as a direct counter to the heavy ACs of the IJN, and would likely spent most of their lifes as flagships of the Philippines squadron.

Ships of the class: Victoria, Montañes

Victoria class BCL
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/BC1909

Victoria class BCL, laid down 1909

Length, 520 ft x Beam, 78.0 ft x Depth, 27.0 ft
16896 tons normal displacement (15605 tons standard)

Main battery: 6 x 12.0-inch (3 x 2; 1 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 12 x 5.5-inch
QF battery: 4 x 3.0-inch

Weight of broadside: 6215 lbs

Main belt, 9.0 inches; bow and stern, 3.0 inches
Upper belt, 3.5 inches
Armor deck, average 2.0 inches
C.T., 8.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 8.0" / secondary, 3.5"
QF, 0.5" shields

Maximum speed for 66787 shp = 27.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 7400 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 741-963


Estimated cost, $6.545 million (£1.636 million)

[Almirante Gravina]

In 1910 the need for a fast screen for the fleet was seen as really urgent, the lighter cruisers of the armada were slow protected cruisers that were no more considered able. Therefore four units were laid down that year, soon to be followed by four more improved units.

Units in the class: Principe, Soberano, Conquistador, Campeon (Named after XVIII century line ships )

Principe Class Light cruiser


http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/CL1910

Principe Class Light cruiser, laid down 1910

Length, 440 ft x Beam, 42.0 ft x Depth, 17.0 ft
4488 tons normal displacement (3795 tons standard)

Main battery: 8 x 5.9-inch
Secondary battery: 2 x 3.0-inch

Weight of broadside: 849 lbs

4 TT, 21.0"

Main belt, 3.5 inches; full length
Armor deck, average 0.5 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 3.0" shields / secondary, 0.5"


Maximum speed for 29127 shp = 27.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 9000 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 274-356


Estimated cost, $1.607 million (£402,000)

[Almirante Gravina]

Laid down in 1910, the first true dreadnoughts.

Units in the class: Mendez Nuñez, Blas de Lezo

Mendez Nuñez Class Battleship
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/Acorazado1910
Mendez Nuñez Class Battleship, laid down 1910

Length, 538 ft x Beam, 88.0 ft x Depth, 27.0 ft
21183 tons normal displacement (19722 tons standard)

Main battery: 10 x 12.0-inch (5 x 2; 2 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 18 x 5.9-inch
QF battery: 4 x 3.0-inch

Weight of broadside: 10542 lbs

Main belt, 13.5 inches; bow and stern, 7.0 inches
Upper belt, 6.0 inches
Armor deck, average 2.5 inches
C.T., 13.5 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 12.0" / secondary, 6.0"
QF, 1.0" shields

Maximum speed for 37713 shp = 22.50 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 7600 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 878-1141


Estimated cost, $7.967 million (£1.992 million)

[Almirante Gravina]

Enlarged Principe class.

Units in the class: Galicia, Extremadura, Valencia, Andalucia

Galicia Class CL
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/CruceroL1912
Galicia Class CL, laid down 1912

Length, 460 ft x Beam, 44.0 ft x Depth, 18.0 ft
5205 tons normal displacement (4524 tons standard)

Main battery: 10 x 5.9-inch
Secondary battery: 2 x 3.0-inch

Weight of broadside: 1054 lbs

4 TT, 21.0"

Main belt, 3.5 inches; full length
Armor deck, average 0.8 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 3.0" shields / secondary, 0.8"


Maximum speed for 36297 shp = 28.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 8900 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 306-398


Estimated cost, $1.941 million (£485,000)

[Almirante Gravina]

Perhaps the most germanic of the spanish vessels of this time. Initally a class of four units, eventually WWI would prevent the completion of 2 of them. Of these one of them would be scrapped in the yard in 1921 and the other one completed as aircraft carrier in 1923-24.After this,the plans of this ships were shared with Blohm und Boss,and used to design other spanish Battleship,the Carlos III class

Units in the class: Carlos V, Lepanto, Neptuno (scrapped), Argonauta (completed as CV)

Carlos V class battlecruiser
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/BC1913
Carlos V class battlecruiser, laid down 1913

Length, 700 ft x Beam, 90.0 ft x Depth, 30.0 ft
27000 tons normal displacement (24918 tons standard)

Main battery: 8 x 13.8-inch (4 x 2)
Secondary battery: 14 x 5.5-inch
QF battery: 4 x 3.0-inch

Weight of broadside: 11706 lbs

Main belt, 11.0 inches; bow and stern, 5.0 inches
Upper belt, 6.0 inches
Armor deck, average 3.0 inches
C.T., 12.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 11.0" / secondary, 6.0"
QF, 1.0" shields

Maximum speed for 88732 shp = 28.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 10300 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 1053-1369

[Almirante Gravina]

Initially a four unit class, only two were ever completed, the other two ones were not even laid down. These would be the most powerful units of the armada, however WWI would prevent their completion until 1920.

Units in the class: Isabel la Catolica, Fernando el Catolico, Gran Capitan (projected), Cardenal Cisneros (projected)
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/BB1914
Isabel la Catolica class, laid down 1914

Length, 610 ft x Beam, 94.0 ft x Depth, 30.0 ft
28015 tons normal displacement (26198 tons standard)

Main battery: 10 x 13.8-inch (5 x 2; 2 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 14 x 5.9-inch
AA battery: 6 x 3.0-inch

Weight of broadside: 14659 lbs

Main belt, 13.8 inches; bow and stern, 7.0 inches
Upper belt, 7.0 inches
Torpedo bulkhead, 1.0 inches
Armor deck, average 3.8 inches
C.T., 13.8 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 13.0" / secondary, 7.0"
AA, 0.5" shields

Maximum speed for 39083 shp = 22.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 9400 nm / 10 kts

Typical complement: 1083-1408


Estimated cost, $13.367 million (£3.342 million)

[Almirante Gravina]

These ships were designed as flagships for the light cruiser squadrons. They also recovered the turreted main armament lost in the previous cruisers. The names of the two projected 1914 BBs were used in them.

Gran Capitan class Cruiser
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/CAL1916

[Almirante Gravina]

After this were designed and built the 'España' class,small,cheap and bad battleships,only reach 15knots :(

http://web.forodigital.es/uphm/mgl/buques/color/esp800.gif

España (ex-Alfonso XIII) (Armada nacional) Jaime I (Armada Republicana)
Desplazamiento 15.700 tons normal, 16.400 a plena carga
Dimensiones Eslora: 139,90 m. (459' 2'') Manga: 24 m.(78' 9'') Calado: 7.70 m. (25' 6'')
Propulsión 4 Hélices, Turbinas Parsons, 12 Calderas Yarrow de carbón 20.000 HP.= 19,5 nudos.7.500 millas/10 nudos
Armamento Original: 8x305 mm (12'') / 50cal. 20x101,6 mm (4'') / 50cal .-2x47 mm AA - 2 ametralladoras. España, 1937:12 x101,6 mm- 4x88 mm - 2x20 mm y algunas ametralladoras Jaime I, 1937: 20 x101,6 mm- 2x 76 mm. - 4x47 mm y algunas ametralladoras
Protección V= 230-150-75 mm (9''-6''-3'') H=50-25 mm. (2''-1'') Torres= 250 mm (10'')
Tripulación 850

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WOOOOOOOOOW calm down admiral!!

[Almirante Gravina]

The famous Canarias class,which keel was sent on dock on 1928 and was retired on 1975,two units built,canarias and baleares(one destroyed during Spanish civil war),based without any doubt in british county class cruisers
http://web.forodigital.es/uphm/mgl/buques/color/cana800.gif
Buques Canarias, Baleares (Armada nacional)
Desplazamiento 10.000 tons estándar, 13.200 a plena carga
Dimensiones Eslora: 193,90 m (636'') Manga: 19,50 m (64') Calado: 6,50 m (21' 4'')
Propulsión 4 Hélices, Turbinas Parsons, 8 Calderas Yarrow 90.000 CV.= 33 nudos. 8.000 millas/15 nudos
Armamento 8x203 mm (8'') /50 cal. -8x120 mm (4.7'') /45 cal. AA -4x40 mm AA -4x20 mm AA
Protección V=100-50 mm (4''-2'') H=75-25 mm (3''-1'') Torres= 25 mm (1'') Bulges
Tripulación 1.200

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"Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves..."

[Almirante Gravina]

Almirante Cervera cruisers,not too bad,between Heavy Cruisers and Light cruisers,units in class:Libertad(ex-principe alfonso)(Sank on 1937 on spanish civil war),Miguel de Cervantes,and Almirante Cervera
http://web.forodigital.es/uphm/mgl/buques/color/lib800.gif
Libertad (ex-Príncipe Alfonso) y Miguel de Cervantes (Armada republicana), Almirante Cervera (Armada nacional)
Desplazamiento 7.975 tons estándar, 9.240 a plena carga
Dimensiones Eslora: 176,62 m (579' 6'') Manga: 16,61 m (54' 6'') Calado: 5,03 m (16' 6'')
Propulsión 4 Hélices, Turbinas Parsons, 8 Calderas Yarrow 80.000 CV.= 33-34 nudos. 4.950 millas/ 15 nudos
Armamento 8x152 mm (6'') /50 cal (3 montajes dobles y 2 montajes simples) -4x101,6 mm (4'') /45 cal. AA -2x47mm AA -12 tubos lanzatorpedos - 533,4 mm (21'') (4 montajes triples)
Protección V= 75-50 mm (3''-2'') H=25 mm (1'')
Tripulación 566

[Almirante Gravina]

Mendez Nuñez Light cruisers,
http://web.forodigital.es/uphm/mgl/buques/color/men800.gif

[Almirante Gravina]

Navarra Cruiser
http://web.forodigital.es/uphm/mgl/buques/color/nav800.gif
Navarra (ex-República, ex-Reina Victoria Eugenia) (Armada nacional)
Desplazamiento 4.857 tons estándar, 6.500 a plena carga
Dimensiones Eslora: 140,82 m (462') Manga: 15,22 m (50') Calado: 5,59 m (18' 4'')
Propulsión 2 Hélices, Turbinas Parsons, 8 Calderas (4-fuel, 4-carbón) Yarrow 25.000 CV.= 25 nudos. 4.000 millas/15 nudos
Armamento 6x152mm (6'') /50 cal. -4x88mm (3.5'') /45 cal. AA 2x20 mm AA
Protección V= 75-50 mm (3''-2'') H=75 mm (3'')
Tripulación 350 (?)

[Almirante Gravina]

And to finish,the one that never been under spanish flag and the most ambicious program:The Carlos III BB.
The government of Primo the rivera in 1927 propiciated a contract with a Weimar republic industry,blohm und voss.This arrangement was to design a brand new ship to deploy on both spanish navy(afectated after the defeat of germans in WWI)and weimar fleet,which units were all before he WWI and never more than 10.000 tons.Blohm und Boss starting Working with their plans of the Emden kriegsmarine cruiser.the crack of 1929 made that the economic power of the armada pull down,and they had to retire from service all cruisers and battleships,excepting the most rentable and modern,this is,the projected canarias and baleares,mendez nuñez class,navarra class,and almirante cervera's class.In battleships,the economic ruin made that the only battleships on spain were the awful and deficient 'España' class,the most small dreadnought even built.Alfonso XIII was derrocated,and the new Republic re-started the project in 1931,and combined the B&V designs with the Carlos V plantilla.
The result was this http://dynamic6.gamespy.com/~moh1936/images/fotos/BC1930.JPG,a good looking battleship,strong,fast and big,a perfect flagship,similar to the german 30's projects and similar to the 1913 Carlos V battleship.In 1933 the Nazis reached the power in germany so B&V left the program to work in Prinz Eugen,Scharnhorst and Gneisenau,and later,in the all-powerful Bismarck.So,the republic continued the program by its own.In 1935,The contract re-begun,and the battleship structure was practically completed.They added some superstructures and more cannons to the ship http://dynamic6.gamespy.com/~moh1936/images/fotos/BC1932.JPG
Finally,the Civil War exploded and the republic sold The Carlos III to Argentina,wich sold it to Brazil in 1938.In brazil was used for flagship under the name 'Minas Gerais'.It was the perfect(And the only ship on brazil)that could defeat German cruisers or battleships.but,remember that these ships was built by B&V,and when the 'minas gerais' was stuck on the coast,the Brazilian engineers had no repost materials to getr it out.So,they abandoned it and later they mounted a museum(actually,on Sao Luis bay)of that battleship.
Guns:8x 376 mm 4 x 120 mm,2 x 200 mm,8 x 75 mm (AA and antiship)
6 x 55 mm(AA),2x 20mm quadruple barrel cannon(AA),12 hotchkiss 7'62 mm machine guns,8 Chatelleraut 7'62 mg's,4 FAO's (12'56 mm)
Weight of broadside: 11706 lbs

Main belt, 11.0 inches; bow and stern, 5.0 inches
Upper belt, 6.0 inches
Armor deck, average 3.0 inches
C.T., 12.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 11.0" / secondary, 6.0"
QF, 1.0" shields

35000 tons full load
Length: 234 meters
wide :30 meters
Max Speed:31 knots

[Almirante Gravina]

im preparing a text of Swedish cruisers.Ideas?

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quit while you're ahead...

[Almirante Gravina]

What does mean that :roll:

[perdurabo]

oh this topic belongs to tactics/history section :) here we talk about politics and other stuff in todays world :) but your topic is great! :)

[Almirante Gravina]

ok,i'll post on historic section later :D

[Almirante Gravina]

On 1930 after the 'crack' and projected the Carlos III battleship,list of ships changed,and soon,Argonauta and Neptuno(Carlos V class)were retired of service.The rest of Battleships stayed out of service but don't retired.In order to provide the armada a single battleship class to replace the Carlos V class(for the economy of Armada)and get out the old España class.The program done the posibility for 2 newly concibed Alfonso XIII Battleships of 38.000 tons.The Carlos V's could be easily modified to create Carlos III vessels.And one Carlos V,as i almost said,were modded to make an aircraft carrier.Other was stuck of.In isabel la Catolica's Class,one was sold to Mexico(where survived from 1935 to 1957)and the other (Fernando el Catolico) at begginig was kept in service,but later the pieces and cannons were used to repair several ships on spanish civil war(1936-39),and finally were used by Empresa Nacional Bazan to construct the infructuous and ambitious 'D' class and to construct the powerful
'San Francisco'cannon Battery,that soon were out of Ammo,on year 1946,when the BB ammo(produced on the 20's)finally get caducity.


With the two new Carlos III class BBs soon in service, the list of the big gun vessels in active in the Armada was the following:

BB Carlos III(on construction yard); 35.000t
BB Principe de Asturias(on construction yard); ; 35.000t
BB Isabel la Catolica; 26.000t
BB Fernando el Catolico; 26.000t
BC Lepanto; 25.000t
BC Carlos V; 25.000t
SBB (Short BB) España : 14.000 tons

That left enough amount of tonnage (of the 210.000t allowed) to build another ship, and therefore in 1930 the decision to build another unit of the Carlos III class was taken. The initial works began in 1931, but due to economical problems were soon stopped. The project was therefore revised and altered, the basic project of the Carlos III modified and finally in 1935 the construction of the new ship was resumed. She was bigger and faster than her predecessors and had significant differences with the 2 Carlos III, but even if the treaty was no longer in effect, she was still a treaty BB. The ship was intended as Flagship of the fleet, and was given the name of the ruling monarch, Alfonso XIII.

The Alfonso XIII soon after commisioning in the late 30s.

http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/AXIII
Alfonso XIII, Spanish Battleship laid down 1935

Displacement:
33.755 t light; 35.923 t standard; 40.389 t normal; 43.800 t full load
Loading submergence 1.568 tons/feet

Dimensions:
800,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 31,00 ft (normal load)
243,84 m x 30,48 m x 9,45 m

Armament:
9 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
18 - 5,12" / 130 mm guns (9 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
24 - 1,46" / 37 mm AA guns
20 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
Weight of broadside 16.317 lbs / 7.401 kg

Armour:
Belt 14,00" / 356 mm, ends unarmoured
Belts cover 87 % of normal area
Main turrets 14,00" / 356 mm, 2nd turrets 2,00" / 51 mm
AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 0,50" / 13 mm
Armour deck 4,71" / 120 mm, Conning tower 18,00" / 457 mm
Torpedo bulkhead 0,80" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 128.003 shp / 95.490 Kw = 29,00 kts
Range 15.500nm at 15,00 kts

Complement:
1.424 - 1.851

Cost:
£17,328 million / $69,314 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.040 tons, 5,0 %
Armour: 12.546 tons, 31,1 %
Belts: 3.191 tons, 7,9 %, Armament: 3.637 tons, 9,0 %, Armour Deck: 4.783 tons, 11,8 %
Conning Tower: 459 tons, 1,1 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 477 tons, 1,2 %
Machinery: 3.636 tons, 9,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.458 tons, 38,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.633 tons, 16,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0,2 %

Metacentric height 6,1

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1,11
Shellfire needed to sink: 43.963 lbs / 19.941 Kg = 26,3 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 5,4
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 55 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,56
Relative quality as seaboat: 1,10

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0,570
Sharpness coefficient: 0,38
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7,13
'Natural speed' for length: 28,28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim: 50
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 86,3 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 149,1 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 112 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0,99
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 198 lbs / square foot or 965 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1,04
(for 20,30 ft / 6,19 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 0,28 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1,00[img]

[Almirante Gravina]

On 1930 after the 'crack' and projected the Carlos III battleship,list of ships changed,and soon,Argonauta and Neptuno(Carlos V class)were retired of service.The rest of Battleships stayed out of service but don't retired.In order to provide the armada a single battleship class to replace the Carlos V class(for the economy of Armada)and get out the old España class.The program done the posibility for 2 newly concibed Alfonso XIII Battleships of 38.000 tons.The Carlos V's could be easily modified to create Carlos III vessels.And one Carlos V,as i almost said,were modded to make an aircraft carrier.Other was stuck of.In isabel la Catolica's Class,one was sold to Mexico(where survived from 1935 to 1957)and the other (Fernando el Catolico) at begginig was kept in service,but later the pieces and cannons were used to repair several ships on spanish civil war(1936-39),and finally were used by Empresa Nacional Bazan to construct the infructuous and ambitious 'D' class and to construct the powerful
'San Francisco'cannon Battery,that soon were out of Ammo,on year 1946,when the BB ammo(produced on the 20's)finally get caducity.


With the two new Carlos III class BBs soon in service, the list of the big gun vessels in active in the Armada was the following:

BB Carlos III(on construction yard); 35.000t
BB Principe de Asturias(on construction yard); ; 35.000t
BB Isabel la Catolica; 26.000t
BB Fernando el Catolico; 26.000t
BC Lepanto; 25.000t
BC Carlos V; 25.000t
SBB (Short BB) España : 14.000 tons

That left enough amount of tonnage (of the 210.000t allowed) to build another ship, and therefore in 1930 the decision to build another unit of the Carlos III class was taken. The initial works began in 1931, but due to economical problems were soon stopped. The project was therefore revised and altered, the basic project of the Carlos III modified and finally in 1935 the construction of the new ship was resumed. She was bigger and faster than her predecessors and had significant differences with the 2 Carlos III, but even if the treaty was no longer in effect, she was still a treaty BB. The ship was intended as Flagship of the fleet, and was given the name of the ruling monarch, Alfonso XIII.

The Alfonso XIII soon after commisioning in the late 30s.

http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/AXIII
Alfonso XIII, Spanish Battleship laid down 1935

Displacement:
33.755 t light; 35.923 t standard; 40.389 t normal; 43.800 t full load
Loading submergence 1.568 tons/feet

Dimensions:
800,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 31,00 ft (normal load)
243,84 m x 30,48 m x 9,45 m

Armament:
9 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
18 - 5,12" / 130 mm guns (9 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
24 - 1,46" / 37 mm AA guns
20 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
Weight of broadside 16.317 lbs / 7.401 kg

Armour:
Belt 14,00" / 356 mm, ends unarmoured
Belts cover 87 % of normal area
Main turrets 14,00" / 356 mm, 2nd turrets 2,00" / 51 mm
AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 0,50" / 13 mm
Armour deck 4,71" / 120 mm, Conning tower 18,00" / 457 mm
Torpedo bulkhead 0,80" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 128.003 shp / 95.490 Kw = 29,00 kts
Range 15.500nm at 15,00 kts

Complement:
1.424 - 1.851

Cost:
£17,328 million / $69,314 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.040 tons, 5,0 %
Armour: 12.546 tons, 31,1 %
Belts: 3.191 tons, 7,9 %, Armament: 3.637 tons, 9,0 %, Armour Deck: 4.783 tons, 11,8 %
Conning Tower: 459 tons, 1,1 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 477 tons, 1,2 %
Machinery: 3.636 tons, 9,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.458 tons, 38,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.633 tons, 16,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0,2 %

Metacentric height 6,1

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1,11
Shellfire needed to sink: 43.963 lbs / 19.941 Kg = 26,3 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 5,4
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 55 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,56
Relative quality as seaboat: 1,10

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0,570
Sharpness coefficient: 0,38
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7,13
'Natural speed' for length: 28,28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim: 50
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 86,3 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 149,1 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 112 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0,99
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 198 lbs / square foot or 965 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1,04
(for 20,30 ft / 6,19 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 0,28 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1,00[img]

[Almirante Gravina]

After a limited mid-life refit in the 20s, when new boilers were installed and the elevation of the main guns was increased, the Carlos V class underwent a major reconstruction in the 30s. Initially programmed in the early years of the decade, lack of funds delayed the works for years, and they eventually took place after the treaty had been abandoned by all the major nations. The main changes were:

- New superestructures and conning tower.
- New secondary armament, the standarized 130mm DP gun.
- New light AA armament.
- Lenghtening of the stern and the bow, new shape for better performance.
- The upper belt and the armor of the ends of the ship removed to save weight.
- New engines and boilers, max speed effectively increased to 29,5 knots, increased range.
- New TDS.
- Installation of aviation facilities amidships, 2-3 hidros.

The Carlos V class during WWI

http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/BC1913
The refitted Carlos V in 1937
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/CarlosVM

Carlos V class, 1937 refit

Displacement:
25.659 t light; 27.218 t standard; 29.623 t normal; 31.429 t full load
Loading submergence 1.241 tons/feet

Dimensions:
720,00 ft x 96,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
219,46 m x 29,26 m x 9,14 m

Armament:
8 - 13,78" / 350 mm guns (4 Main turrets x 2 guns, 2 superfiring turrets)
16 - 5,12" / 130 mm guns (8 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
30 - 1,46" / 37 mm AA guns
20 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
Weight of broadside 11.589 lbs / 5.257 kg

Armour:
Belt 11,00" / 279 mm, ends unarmoured
Belts cover 93 % of normal area
Main turrets 11,00" / 279 mm, 2nd turrets 2,00" / 51 mm
AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 0,50" / 13 mm
Armour deck 4,00" / 102 mm, Conning tower 12,00" / 305 mm
Torpedo bulkhead 0,80" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 114.691 shp / 85.559 Kw = 29,50 kts
Range 12.000nm at 14,00 kts

Complement:
1.128 - 1.467

Cost:
£13,964 million / $55,854 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.449 tons, 4,9 %
Armour: 9.112 tons, 30,8 %
Belts: 2.382 tons, 8,0 %, Armament: 2.851 tons, 9,6 %, Armour Deck: 3.215 tons, 10,9 %
Conning Tower: 248 tons, 0,8 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 416 tons, 1,4 %
Machinery: 3.179 tons, 10,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.820 tons, 39,9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.963 tons, 13,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,3 %

Metacentric height 5,6

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1,10
Shellfire needed to sink: 30.305 lbs / 13.746 Kg = 23,2 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 4,1
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 49 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,47
Relative quality as seaboat: 1,00

[Loco]

Almirante Cervera cruisers,not too bad,between Heavy Cruisers and Light cruisers,units in class:Libertad(ex-principe alfonso)(Sank on 1937 on spanish civil war)
Hola Almirante! Just saying that light cruiser Libertad never was sank, in fact, although this ship fought in the loser side of war, it actually won all the combats if fought, namely battle of Cabo Cherchel and the battle in which cruiser Baleares was sank. Btw, a good overall information, I´ve never listened before about cruiser Carlos III.

[Almirante Gravina]

Carlos III was only a ship that never were under spanish flag.U can visit it on brazil.

[Almirante Gravina]

Most of this ships didn't fought on Spanish civil War.Bueno,supongo que eres Español,asi que en castellano te lo digo.Estos principios de barcos fueron hechos desde el programa de rearme naval de 1907.El gobierno de primo de rivera decidio ampliarlo aun mas,y se programaron los dos Carlos III,y con el crack de 1929,las grandes obras de los Ingenieros españoles antes y en la Igm se fueron a pique y no pudieron ser mantenidos.El Alfonso XIII,lanzado en 1935, se incendio en su viaje inaugural en marzo de 1936,poco antes de la explosion de la guerra civil.El resto de los barcos,o fueron hundidos o vendidos o revitalizados durante la guerra civil,hasta el punto que durante nuestra guerra de 1936 a 1939,los unicos acorazados en servicio en españa eran los de la clase España,que,pese a su potencia de fuego,en opinion de un servidor,no merecen ser llamados acorazados,y ambos fueron hundidos en 1937...no comments.
Gracias por todo.

[Almirante Gravina]

The first spanish aircraft carrier (apart from the conversion during WWI of one of the old protected cruisers in seaplane carrier), she was laid down in 1914 but works were stopped in early 1915, after existing resources were concentrated to finish the more advanced BBs and BCs.The Dedalo aircraft carrier was built in 1921,was a modified cargo ship.

In 1918 the hull of the Argonauta laid incomplete next to his sister Neptuno in their slips at the Ferrol shipyard. That year spanish naval architects began the preliminar studies to convert the Argonauta and the decision to scrap the Neptuno was taken.

By 1923 the new ship was finished, and she entered service with the fleet in 1924. Her airwing is composed of about 60 aircraft, 3 fighter and 3 torpedo bomber squadrons. A major refit (almost a reconstruction) was undertaken in the mid thirties, improving her ariwing and overall fighting value. Spain Got then two aircraft carriers,but the cheapest(Dedalo)remained in service,and the other was sold to Greek Royal Navy,where was sunk by a Italian submarine on mid 1941 during the WWII


http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/BC1913
Conversion of the BC Argonauta in CV, 1923
Areas in dark blue - Elevators
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/Argonauta
Argonauta Aircraft Carrier, battlecruiser conversion, laid down 1923

Displacement:
22.852 t light; 23.510 t standard; 27.000 t normal; 29.684 t full load
Loading submergence 1.131 tons/feet

Dimensions:
700,00 ft x 90,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
213,36 m x 27,43 m x 9,14 m

Armament:
6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 2 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns
8 - 3,54" / 90 mm AA guns
8 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
Weight of broadside 1.416 lbs / 642 kg

Armour:
Belt 6,00" / 152 mm, end belts 3,00" / 76 mm
Belts cover 100 % of normal area
Main turrets 6,00" / 152 mm, AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm
Armour deck 2,60" / 66 mm, Conning tower 6,00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 170.771 shp / 127.395 Kw = 33,00 kts
Range 14.000nm at 15,00 kts

Complement:
1.053 - 1.369

Cost:
£5,084 million / $20,335 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 177 tons, 0,7 %
Armour: 4.054 tons, 15,0 %
Belts: 1.619 tons, 6,0 %, Armament: 414 tons, 1,5 %, Armour Deck: 1.905 tons, 7,1 %
Conning Tower: 117 tons, 0,4 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
Machinery: 5.708 tons, 21,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.914 tons, 29,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.148 tons, 15,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 5.000 tons, 18,5 %

Metacentric height 5,5

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1,14
Shellfire needed to sink: 29.953 lbs / 13.587 Kg = 290,9 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 2,7
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 53 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,08
Relative quality as seaboat: 1,06

http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/Cutview

[Loco]

Gracias, y échale un ojo a la discusión que se sigue sobre el C.de Gaulle. ;)

[Almirante Gravina]

podriamos decir que nuestra guerra civil tuvo consecuencias catastroficas sobre nuestra armada.Entre el Crack de 1929 y esta horrible guerra fraticida,perecio practicamente todo ingrediente del programa de rearme naval.Primero,el crack de 1929 tuvo sobre nuestra armada consecuencias a partir de 1930,con empresas subcontratadas alemanas que se arruinaron.La republica mejoro estas situaciones a partir del 32,y reanudaron los proyectos,pero las dificultades volvieron ****to,el Carlos III no pudo ser vendido a la armada( el ministerio de la guerra tenia que dar ingresos al ejercito de marruecos por la represion que ejercian sobre asturias en 1934)y cuando parecia que ese dia podia llegar,en 1936,estallo la guerra.El ejercito fiel a la republica vio que la mayor parte de galicia se mostro favorable a los nacionales,y el buque estaba en El Ferrol,cerca del dique del Canarias,todavia en fase de armamento.(ironias del destino?).Asi pues,la republica actuo con sobrada rapidez.Tomaron una tripulacion de unos 980 hombres(Algo menos de la mitad de la tripulacion)
y lo lanzaron a alta mar antes que el puerto fuera tomado,cosa que sucedio 5 dias despues del alzamiento.El buque era comandado por Javier Masnou Padilla,que murio en el acorazado Jaime I,cuando una explosion interna lo hundio por definitiva en 1938.El buque,sin aparejo ni municion,no tenia posibilidades de dirigirse al sur,donde se habian desplegado destructores leales a Franco ( el Ceuta,Melilla,el Teruel y el velasco estaban poco mas al sur;El huesca se encontraba en asturias,y con todos esos se completan todos los destructores nacionales,en inferioridad numerica respecto a los republicanos)y batallaban con los submarinos (todos de la republica)y cruceros nacionales y republicanos.El Carlos III,un barco que hubiera podido machacar sin ningun problema a todos los destructores nacionales en el sur(por cierto,mandados por Carrero Blanco),sin municion era algo asi como una ballena perseguida por un tiburon.Los destructores,algo mas rapidos,le destruirian a base de torpedos,pues el acorazado estaba indefenso.Los submarinos no podian ir a auxiliarle,y los cruceros tampoco.La pequeña armada de mercantes armados organizada en el Pais Vasco intento enviarle un carguero con municion,pero fue avistado y hundido por el U-34(que curiosamente,meses despues hundiria el submarino republicano C3,que va a intentar ser rescatado)el carlos III fue atacado por dos SM's 79 con torpedos,pero la deficiencia de los torpedos italianos hizo que ninguno lo alcanzara y que uno de ellos tuviera que realizar un aterrizaje de emergencia en Sanjenjo(Pontevedra)al ser alcanzado por las pocas ametralladoras que el buque tenia montadas.Asi,la republica decidio venderlo a suramerica,de donde sus hombres fueron repatriados.

[Almirante Gravina]

La armada pues fue devastada en esa guerra,y sus efectivos al final de esta eran de una armada bastante reducida
1 Crucero pesado(Canarias)
3 Cruceros medios/pesados(clase Almirante Cervera)
2 cruceros ligeros-medios(navarra y mendez nuñez)
18 destructores
6 submarinos

Antes de esta guerra(1935),la armada,en cifras

Acorazados(1932/35)
Alfonso XIII(nuevo,botado en el 35)(embarranca)
Clase Carlos III(solo una unidad,casi terminado)(vendido a argentina)
Mendez Nuñez(botado en 1910;modificado en 1924)(una unidad vendida)
Isabel La Catolica(1914),Fernando el Catolico(1915);ambos modificados en 1924.
Numancia(1905) vendido en 1932,tras 2 años sin dotacion ni aparejo.
Clase España(1916),España y Jaime I(Ambos hundidos durante la Guerra civil)
Cruceros de Batalla

Clase Carlos V(1913)(Bando Nacional,en diciembre del 36,choca con el unico crucero pesado clase Gran Capitan y lo hunde;el Carlos V queda dañado y finalmente es torpedeado por el submarino republicano C1;Lepanto(1913)(se vende antes de la guerra)Neptuno(se rearma y su estructura sirve de base al fallido Carlos III;Argonauta(se convierte en portaaviones,1924) y es vendido a Grecia,donde sera hundido por los italianos en 1941.

Clase Victoria:
Victoria(1909)Es modificado a finales de 1923 y queda un magnifico buque,sorprendido en el puerto por varios SM79 de la Reggia Marina Italiana que lo despedazan en menos de una hora;Lo que queda del buque es vendido para comprar fusiles.http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/Victoria23
el Victoria tras su modificacion.
Montañes(1910)ya fuera de servicio en 1929;Varios cañones de 120 mm capturados por las tribus rifeñas lo atacaron en el año 1923,y tomo parte en el desembarco de alhucemas;Con la crisis de la Armada en 1930,es vendido y 4 años despues Desguazado por la armada Turca.

Cruceros Pesados

Clase Canarias(solo sobrevive el canarias;el Baleares es hundido)

Clase Duque de Alba(solo una unidad,y en dique seco,los nacionales lo desmantelaron para sacar remanches de acero para sus buques)(1932)


http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/DdeAlba


Clase Bailen;Unidades muy poderosas que no llegaron a combatir nunca en el mar;fueron bombardeadas.(1936)
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/CA30

Clase Gran Capitan(una sola unidad;choca con el carlos V y se hunde)modificado en 1931
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/GC1931
el Gran Capitan tras su modificacion en 1931
A esto hay que añadir los Clase mendez nuñez,Clase almirante cervera,el Navarra,la Clase Galicia,26 destructores,16 submarinos,10 torpederos y 2 portaaviones.No hago la cuenta porque no hay tiempo,pero comparad unos resultados con otros.

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wow im over informed on the spanish armada now. thanks for posting it all.

[Almirante Gravina]

Wow!i like your page very much Lol! :lol:

[Lobo]

Gravina, you should take a look to:

http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=moratohttp://www.militar.org.ua/phpBB2/index.php

[Lobo]

Gravina, you should take a look to:

http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=morato
http://www.militar.org.ua/phpBB2/index.php

[Almirante Gravina]

It don't let me enter...What's it?

[Almirante Gravina]

These new cruisers were laid down in 1929 as a replacement for the aging Principe class and were the first sizable units part of the renovation plan of the Armada in the 30s.

They were big for a light cruiser, with good endurance although they had thinner armor than the usual in the ships of the Armada. The four units were named after famous spanish soldiers and artists and gradually replaced the Principe class CLs as they entered service.

Miguel de Cervantes class Light Cruisers, 1929
Units of the class: Miguel de Cervantes, Lope de Vega, Francisco de Quevedo, Tirso de Molina.
http://galeon.hispavista.com/gravina/img/CLCervantes

[Almirante Gravina]

El foro esta bastante bien,pero 4 fascistas idiotas me han censurado y excluido.Ahi estoy registrado tambien como Almirante Gravina.Gracias de todos modos lobo :D