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ogukuo72
12-08-2003, 10:27 PM
TAIPEI : Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian said that his government planned an "anti-missile, anti-war" landmark referendum next year aimed at asking rival China to dismantle hundreds of ballistic missiles targeting the island.

Chen, leader of the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), also urged Beijing to withdraw its threat to use force against the island and defined the China-Taiwan relationship as "one country on each side."

"We want the People's Republic of China to remove all of their missiles aiming at Taiwan when we hold the referendum" jointly with presidential elections on March 20, Chen said at an election rally in the central city of Taichung.

"We also want the People's Republic of China to drop its threat of using force against Taiwan," Chen said.

China, which regards Taiwan as part of its territory waiting to be reunified by force if necessary, has deployed 498 ballistic missiles targeting the island on the southeast part of the Chinese mainland, he said.

Chen said the referendum is designed to safeguard Taiwan's status quo as a sovereign state.

"The Chinese communists have been attempting to bully Taiwan into accepting their offer of 'one country, two systems'... But this is by no means acceptable to Taiwan people as it would relegate Taiwan into the second Hong Kong or one province of China."

Against the chorus of slogans chanted by tens of thousands of supporters, Chen said he hoped all Taiwanese would voice their desires for peace and democracy at the referendum.

Chen also challenged the political beliefs of the respective leaders of the opposition Kuomintang (KMT) and People First Party (PFP), Lien Chan and James Soong.

"Mr. Lien, what are you afraid of? Whey don't you recognize that the relationship between Taiwan and China is 'one country on each side'?" Chen asked.

"We must not elect a president who would knuckle under the pressure of missiles," Chen said in a reference to Lien Chan's pro-reunification stance. Lien is the leading challenger to Chen as he seeks another four-year term.

In a speech during another rally earlier in the day, Chen said: "To make sure our children will not have to be sent to the battlefields, an 'anti-missile, anti-war' referendum will be held on the presidential election day."

Chen's planned referendum was criticized by the opposition parties. "The country is kidnapped by his personal emotion," Lien told his supporters at a rally in downtown Taipei.

He called for arms control talks with China to reduce tensions that have soared with Chen's vowing to hold a sovereignty referendum next year.

Lien said Taipei and Beijing should follow the lead of the United States and the Soviet Union whose arms reduction talks from 1969 led to peace and stability between the Cold War rivals.

"The Republic of China (Taiwan) and the Chinese mainland should use the mechanism of the Arms Control Talks as a model and hold military negotiations," he said.

China considers Taiwan part of its territory and has repeatedly threatened to invade the island should it declare formal independence, though in reality Taiwan has been governed separately from China since the end of a civil war in 1949.

This was Chen's most explicit outline yet of the sensitive referendum plans, which have already enraged Beijing to the point of warning it was ready for "necessary" casualties if the island pursued its independence drive.

Chen's plans follow new legislation empowering the president to hold referendums on "issues of national security concern" when the country's sovereignty is threatened by a foreign force.

- AFP


What do you guys think?

Should the US come to Taiwan's defence no matter what Taiwan does? Or should the US refuse to be drawn into a conflict with China provoked by Taiwan, if it insists on behaving so irresponsibly?

Metalion
12-08-2003, 11:41 PM
All he want to do just try to win next election !

worst nightmare = Chen Shui-bian :-*$

SOG
12-09-2003, 02:45 AM
why does china now care about taiwan? they ignored taiwan, taiwan went ahead and formed its own place, why does china care what they do?

money
power
influence

china wants to reclaim what they failed to recognize or establish and wholly absorb it and claim it theirs. its like russia and its foolish bloodstained "mother russia" unification. not only did the unification cost greatly but the process of it crumbling has cost how many lives, started how many small scale wars?

while i think chen is somewhat not right in what could force chinas hand, this will come to a head, be it good or bad someday. its just like the israel/pal process. taking little snippets at each other, one day, one will get fed up and a end will come.



Should the US come to Taiwan's defence no matter what Taiwan does? Or should the US refuse to be drawn into a conflict with China provoked by Taiwan, if it insists on behaving so irresponsibly?

well 1st of all, the whole reason we are in this situation is because china is behaving irresponsibly by trying to reclaim what they lost simply because it has become a succsessfull economic machine. if it was a poor island of poor people china wouldnt give one hoot. the people of taiwan have built a measurable amount of succes and just like many other places near china, china wants to "absorb them".

2nd, chen isnt helping either. this could be a process that could be solved peacably through talks possibly. but then again im not chen, and i dont have people threatning me directly with missles because i want to keep what i helped build.

should the US be drawn in? well, if china sees fit to attack what is clearly a allie of the US, then that holds some responsibility. china doesnt want taiwan to clearly state they are free. if taiwan did this and then later china flip flopped on the matter, it would be faced by the UN (laughable, but not without sway).

either way the US in the past has gone through and engaged in amaizing lengths in which to stop the spread of communism and has succeeded on many levels even in places it was not as heavily in business with.

i dont think its a question of should the US do this or this, it is a question of will it? i mean shoulda coulda woulda, china be doing what its done to many other small areas in violent murderous take overs that history has just seen russia attempt and fail, should chen be pushing things for china to push the button, who cares? will the US and why will it, is of more importance than attemt at debate over the fantasy theories like, "what if germany won". how it came to power, why it assaulted its neighbors, how it was stopped, and how to prevent future events of this magnitude of happening again are the questions to ask.