New old pics from caucasus

[Kingpin]

From 2000 but found them first time

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woot woot woot woot woot


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Well this one not from Caucasus but this man reminds me one my good ol' friends and anyway looks cool


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[Russian Texan]

http://www.wio.ru/anti/60-01-1b.jpg

Russian version of Rambo? :)

[Javehn]

Ah Ramboes everywhere ....
I think those guys doesn't stand high enough . Not all of the kavkaz can spot them yet . In my place , a sniper wouldn't miss that oportunity for nothing in the world .

http://www.wio.ru/anti/27-09-3b.jpg

Yes , yes , this picture taken out of combat zones ... They shouldn't even stand this way on trainings ...

[Kingpin]

Ah Ramboes everywhere ....
I think those guys doesn't stand high enough . Not all of the kavkaz can spot them yet . In my place , a sniper wouldn't miss that oportunity for nothing in the world .

http://www.wio.ru/anti/27-09-3b.jpg

Yes , yes , this picture taken out of combat zones ... They shouldn't even stand this way on trainings ...

Wordless illustration why they have high losses. :)
But speaking seriously why they need to do this on they OWN terrirory?

[96B]

http://www.wio.ru/anti/60-01-1b.jpg

Russian version of Rambo? :)

That guy would kick Rambo's ass in a man to man fight. Not sure about a battle though :lol:

[Javehn]

well , you have to understand that when i am seeing soldiers sitting on armor , it makes me want to puke . It's all against the trainings i passed , and my bellieves . The way they look at this picture simbolize the whole meaning of non-profesionalism to me.

[Kingpin]

well , you have to understand that when i am seeing soldiers sitting on armor , it makes me want to puke . It's all against the trainings i passed , and my bellieves . The way they look at this picture simbolize the whole meaning of non-profesionalism to me.

Don't like sitting on armor. What about IEDs?

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ok I got a question a lil off topic here, so anyone that can answer this would be much appreciated. Im thinking about getting the grad-1 vest in Kamysh coloring, does anyone know if this will "blend" well with US tigerstripe?

Also standing on top of tanks isnt very smart, sure sitting you can get away with :P

Also the Russian rambo dude is doing that to pose for a picture obviously, this wouldnt be a tactic used during a combat situation. Plus he'd have his shirt on, because hes big n white and would have one hell of a time trying to hide.

Thanks I hope someone can answer my question :oops:

[Armour recon]

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He's pumped like a horse!

Steroid trainer said take only 2mg per day, no he took 20mg!

[Shiruzu]

...In my place , a sniper wouldn't miss that oportunity for nothing in the world .

http://www.wio.ru/anti/27-09-3b.jpg
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Sure, the sniper wouldn't miss the opportunity to kill one or two of these guys and then have about 50 russians pointing their AKs and BMP-mounted guns at himself...

:cantbeli:

[Javehn]

...In my place , a sniper wouldn't miss that oportunity for nothing in the world .

http://www.wio.ru/anti/27-09-3b.jpg
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Sure, the sniper wouldn't miss the opportunity to kill one or two of these guys and then have about 50 russians pointing their AKs and BMP-mounted guns at himself...

:cantbeli:

Hahahahaha :lol:
First of all , not a chance. Second of all , not a chance . Third , not a chance . Man , you are funny . You don't have a clue about snipers .... ;) :hug:

Some easy **** the sniper can do is to shoot the guy sitting on commander's chair in the head vehicle , and that's good enough . In any case , regular soldiers wouldn't indetify sniper's position after it will shoot . For dealing them ther is kinda complicated drill .

[Shiruzu]

Look at the picture, it seems to be open field all around them (with what we can see on the picture...) - so it should be quiet easy to find out from which wood the sniper fired and then hunt him down.

Of course the chance that the snipers loacation can be estimated isn't very high, but i dont think a professional sniper would take this risk ;)

[Javehn]

Ah , my young jedi ....
Open field give's sniper a biger range to fire . Those are full body targets standing high , the best targets someone can ask . Let's say , the distance from a sniper can be 800 metters . This is nice range , and infatry soldiers that would be surprised from the shots , will not find the source of shoots . The sniper can shoot couple of soldiers and get back , without been noticed . :bash:

[Bulkowski]

Gotta love dem PKM's

[Shiruzu]

Ah , my young jedi ....
Open field give's sniper a biger range to fire . Those are full body targets standing high , the best targets someone can ask . Let's say , the distance from a sniper can be 800 metters . This is nice range , and infatry soldiers that would be surprised from the shots , will not find the source of shoots . The sniper can shoot couple of soldiers and get back , without been noticed . :bash:

But isn't it possible to estimate the region from which the sniper shoots, by looking at the wound of his first victim? (ok, even though these soldiers will have other things in mind, if one of the is killed out of nowhere)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

I highly doubt it they would scramble off the top of the BMP (correct me if im wrong) and probably take cover and figure out the situation. I really doubt that with a convoy of that many tanks/apc's that a sniper would want to risk a shot though.

[Whistler]

From 2000 but found them first time

http://www.wio.ru/anti/oo01.jpg

woot woot woot woot woot


Wow... they sure worked over that city in the background before raising the flag!

And Putin says the US needs restraint?? rofl

[Zach R.]

bulkowski, I love your avatar. :lol:

[Bulkowski]

bulkowski, I love your avatar. :lol:
She just can't stop jumping :(

[Russian Texan]

Javehn, how did you conclude that they are in the combat zone. And if they are, how come the guy with the PK doesn't have magazine or ammo box attached to his weapon? For all we know they are just driving around a countryside :)
BTW in one of his posts 16 OBrSpN explained very well pros and cons of riding on top of APC vs inside of it, look it up - very educational ;)

[Roger Rabbit]

Do the BMP's not have some kind of Thermal Imagary equipment? That would pick up Mr Sniper?

[Kingpin]

Do the BMP's not have some kind of Thermal Imagary equipment? That would pick up Mr Sniper?

It's not BMP and they aren't in combat zone. They in Dagestan. Do you care about sniper if you in Kuwait? I suppose not. :)

[Javehn]

Javehn, how did you conclude that they are in the combat zone. And if they are, how come the guy with the PK doesn't have magazine or ammo box attached to his weapon? For all we know they are just driving around a countryside :)
BTW in one of his posts 16 OBrSpN explained very well pros and cons of riding on top of APC vs inside of it, look it up - very educational ;)

Common , didn't i wrote to posts above that i know they are not in combat territory ?? I served in the army , no need to explain me those things . And i did read the thread of 16 obr spn . Why the hell to use RPG's , and expose you position ,and to get shot on his turn , when you can click half of them using sniper . Even the drivers driving with his head out . If all the rest soldiers can react when they got shot , drivers shure thing can . I react to that , becose i have been taught that if you expose youself more then , let's say " the starting of upper pockets in the shirt" , you inviting to shoot at you , and you will not be dissapointed ...

[Roger Rabbit]

Sorry my bad about the BMP issue.

No but seriously, do these armoured vehicles have any thermal imagary equipment or any night vision equipment?

If i was in Kuwait then i would care about snipers, damn locals ;)

[Kingpin]

Sorry my bad about the BMP issue.

No but seriously, do these armoured vehicles have any thermal imagary equipment or any night vision equipment?

If i was in Kuwait then i would care about snipers, damn locals ;)

Vehicles currently in service have 1st generation devices or (most common case) doesn't have any. Night actions is not strong part of russian infantry.

[ShotOver]

haha, muhajadeen soldiers think they are already dead, so if they wanted to, they could open up on that convoy and not care how many BMP rounds come flying at them, because they have already taken out a few russians.

[Kingpin]

haha, muhajadeen soldiers think they are already dead, so if they wanted to, they could open up on that convoy and not care how many BMP rounds come flying at them, because they have already taken out a few russians.

Idiot. Point.

[ShotOver]

haha, piss off... :roll:

[Russian Texan]

I served in the army

For someone who served in the army you sure ask a lot of newbee/naive/stupid questions. Your behavior appears to be quite erratic too. It's not a flame, just an observation ;)

[Javehn]

You talking to me ?? i am shocked .
Ofcorse , no flame , but you just didn't read my posts , at list not all of what's written , there , that's why i wrote to you that way . The last thing on my mind is to errotate someone , specially you .I just post in order to here what other people think of it. Just like i post about the use of Tank in build territories - thank god i happend to have a good idea about this one . I just want to know what other people know and think about this , and , i learned some nice things also .
Ok ? :)

[16 OBr SpN]

Why the hell to use RPG's , and expose you position ,and to get shot on his turn , when you can click half of them using sniper.

You see, you are talking about a sniper carrying an independent role. When in fact snipers are mostly combined with grenadiers and machinegunners. That's at least in our theater of operation.

What are three principles of attacking an APC?
Answer: 1) Immobilize 2) Destroy 3) Destroy the troops.

Who can immobilize the APC? Not a sniper, that's for sure. :)

First step is either an RPG shot or a roadside bomb, or even combination of both.

If guys are sitting inside, the RPG will inflict heavy casualties right from the start.
A roadside bomb is more efficient against both the armor and troops. Here is my thoughts about possible steps: Blow up the bomb; fire an RPG; and then use all firepower you have.

Does sniper have those vital features when acting on his own against an APC and its crew?

Surprise? Yes, for a certain period of time.
Firepower? Not enough.
Capability to immobilize the armor? No.

Two things have these features:
1) Ambush
2) Explosive device

Again, It came down to what I told you in my other post.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[earl]

Is there much occurence in Chechnya of small sniper teams working alone just to erode the confidence of Russians? Like just target one or two soldiers, or officer, and leave before they can organize a response?

I read that sometimes Chechens used .22 rifles with plastic pop bottles on the muzzle as a cheap suppressor. I guess the idea would be for a very quiet sniper attack in tight urban area, almost impossible to locate the source. Maybe this only happened once, but I did read this somewhere.

[Javehn]

Thank you , 16 obr spn !! Much better answer ...

Yes , seems your fighters work different then ours (Better educated on millitary theme , and have more balls in generally ) . In my place it's prefered by fighters to try to heart soldier on the vehicles rather then whole fighter group trying immobilize the whole vehicle group (as you can see on the movie i post , group of 2 snipers i bellieve shooting them constantly on all the way they advance ). Our terrorists trying to use "hit and run" system , that means to shoot couple of times , and then get out . Unlike the chechens that are fighting until the target is complete .
90 percent of our soldiers at APC where killed from sniper hits when they exposed to much , and other 10 percent from mines and self-made charges .Not one soldier hit from ATGM or rocket attack on vehicle. Thank you again , 16 obr spn for answer.

[Kingpin]

Thank you , 16 obr spn !! Much better answer ...

Yes , seems your fighters work different then ours (Better educated on millitary theme , and have more balls in generally ) . In my place it's prefered by fighters to try to heart soldier on the vehicles rather then whole fighter group trying immobilize the whole vehicle group (as you can see on the movie i post , group of 2 snipers i bellieve shooting them constantly on all the way they advance ). Our terrorists trying to use "hit and run" system , that means to shoot couple of times , and then get out . Unlike the chechens that are fighting until the target is complete .
90 percent of our soldiers at APC where killed from sniper hits when they exposed to much , and other 10 percent from mines and self-made charges .Not one soldier hit from ATGM or rocket attack on vehicle. Thank you again , 16 obr spn for answer.

Actually this is mystery for me: why palestinians do not use RPGs and ATGMs against Israeli armor. And IEDs also rare things. What can be simpler than prepare radio controlled IED and place it under road.

[Javehn]

They use ATGM , and different types of mines and charges . But thanks to intellegence , we avoided to drive on the mined routes . When we did run over the mines , it seems that they had lack of knowladge how to activate it correctly . One word - idiots . They had used also RPG rounds , and very few cases they used ATGM , but , again look up for the one word . The had lack knowladge how to use it correctly , or lack of experience . Most of them didn't hit the targets , and those who hit near the target , didn't do much damage . So they preferer to use the system that they know and allready good at it - Sniper shooting . Every third rifle in Palestinian authority have rifle scoups .
By the way , IED ?? Explain , please , i don't know what is it .

[UoUo]

Who said palstinians don't use RPG ?

[Kingpin]

Who said palstinians don't use RPG ?

Because if they use it they have to already wreck one of your vehicles long time ago. But i never seen any results of rpg hits in videos from territories.

[Javehn]

No need to ellaborate , but they did hit sometimes . Why you don't see them on TV ? ....

You still didn't answer my question about what the hell is IED ??

[UoUo]

Who said palstinians don't use RPG ?

Because if they use it they have to already wreck one of your vehicles long time ago. But i never seen any results of rpg hits in videos from territories.

So...you are very very wrong my friend....cuz the palstinians use the RPG many many times...

[16 OBr SpN]

By the way , IED ?? Explain , please , i don't know what is it .

Usually made of artillery shell. In Russian - фугас.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Kingpin]

By the way , IED ?? Explain , please , i don't know what is it .

Usually made of artillery shell. In Russian - фугас.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

IED - Improvised Explosive Device.

Ok if palestinians use it why they didn't succeded?

[Javehn]

Sorry , i can't explain why .
I can't expain this :

1) They tryed to use Claimor mines , but sometimes they were wrong on the heading of explotions. Sometimes they put the mine that way so it will explode into ground and not into apc . 2) They misjudging the ammount of explosives needed , always for the bad side (for them , ofcorse) , and putting less then needed . 3) After last big Israeli operation called "shield wall " , almost all laboratories were shot down , so they have small amount of explosives , and they use it in 90 percent in cases wrong way . They always like to detonate them not in the right time , like you can see in the movie i posted ( the charge near the geep ) .

2 ) They consenzuz ( or let's say the unwritten law ) is that if palestinian will try to use RPG rounds against APC , they get massive ammount of fire power to they direction from all the weapons .
3) ANd last part , which i don't want to ellaborate , is the Tactical IDF
movement inside build territories and use of couple of nice stuff ( HI-TECH) .

But they did use sometimes suffisticated mining method , which had success , like couple of charge fields , with overlapsing fields of kill , that one of them detonated , let's say by IR , and second on timer , or Radio , or wire . Those worked good against APC , first field is braking APC chanis , and when soldiers getting out to correct it , they blowing the second .

[GazB]

"Night actions is not strong part of russian infantry."

Actually it was the night fighting capability of the exported T-62s that gave Israel a little shock once. It was active IR and II and lacks the range and all weather capability of TI. The Russians spent their time and money on LLLTV (Low light level television) which has no capability at night, but is excellent during the daytime. They have had to play catchup, but from what I have heard their 3rd gen II is very good... very clear. They are working on 2nd and 3rd gen TI at the moment and supplimenting their stocks with foreign... largely French and Swedish 2nd and 3rd gen TI systems.

[16 OBr SpN]

Is there much occurence in Chechnya of small sniper teams working alone just to erode the confidence of Russians? Like just target one or two soldiers, or officer, and leave before they can organize a response?

I read that sometimes Chechens used .22 rifles with plastic pop bottles on the muzzle as a cheap suppressor. I guess the idea would be for a very quiet sniper attack in tight urban area, almost impossible to locate the source. Maybe this only happened once, but I did read this somewhere.

Grozny was indeed a sniper battlefield. There were several areas which were off limits to regular infantry because they were areas of snipers hunting each other. There is one guy from our forces who has 276 confirmed kills!
Chechens themselves are crappy snipers. Most snipers fighting on the chechen side were mercenaries.
You don't necesseraly need a silencer during urban sniping; because of dense building area the sound of gunshot can get "reflected" by nearby buildings. And while you are looking for the source, the sniper will quickly change his position.
As for the plastic bottles, yes, there are instances of them being attached to rifles. We call those bottles - "baklajka".

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[koster]

do those bottle suppressors actually work ?
I did fire a .22lr with a plastic bottle attached to the end of the barrel, and it didn't suppress the rifle that much ;) I can't imagine someone using it on a 7,62mm rifle.

[16 OBr SpN]

do those bottle suppressors actually work ?
I did fire a .22lr with a plastic bottle attached to the end of the barrel, and it didn't suppress the rifle that much ;) I can't imagine someone using it on a 7,62mm rifle.

We don't use those bottles, but I've seen them on the chechens' rifles. Again, it was rare. I've seen it only twice.
What you can do, is put стекловата (sorry, don't know the english word for it) on the inside walls of the bottle. It somewhat suppresses the sound, but again not that efficiently.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[LongWayToTheTop]

...In my place , a sniper wouldn't miss that oportunity for nothing in the world .

http://www.wio.ru/anti/27-09-3b.jpg
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Sure, the sniper wouldn't miss the opportunity to kill one or two of these guys and then have about 50 russians pointing their AKs and BMP-mounted guns at himself...

:cantbeli:

They usally sit on the Outisde or Stand of BMP, BTR-80, Ect because if a rocket hits the APC you got more of a chance of living if your on the outside then inside and plus if u get ambushed its easy just so scatter fast.

[koster]

do those bottle suppressors actually work ?
I did fire a .22lr with a plastic bottle attached to the end of the barrel, and it didn't suppress the rifle that much ;) I can't imagine someone using it on a 7,62mm rifle.

We don't use those bottles, but I've seen them on the chechens' rifles. Again, it was rare. I've seen it only twice.
What you can do, is put стекловата (sorry, don't know the english word for it) on the inside walls of the bottle. It somewhat suppresses the sound, but again not that efficiently.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN
yeah, I know that you didn't/don't use those bottles, 'cause I'm sure that you guys have had plenty of suppressors back than (and now).