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SeanAshi
05-04-2005, 04:48 PM
Not my views.

Sheik Muhammad Al-Munajid: According to Islam, a wife needs to comply with her husband's desires in bed. The Prophet Muhammad said: "If a man calls his wife to fulfill his needs, she must come, even if she is by the stove," according to the Al-Tarmizi tradition. They issued a severe warning against to any wife who rebels against her husband in bed. The Prophet said: "If a man invites his wife to bed and she refuses, and he is angry at her, the angels curse her until she wakes up in the morning." This tradition was mentioned in the collections of Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim. God is aware of men's needs. He knows that a man may have just come home, and maybe he desires something or maybe he saw something. He knows what this need is, and this is why he ordered the wife to consent to her husband, even if she is by the stove. Even if she is baking she must consent to him. Moreover, the Prophet Muhammad said to the woman: "Compare yourself to him, he's your paradise and your hell." Imam Ahmad passed this on in his true Hadith. The wife must consent to her husband's wishes and obey him.
The wife in the West is not obligated to do so. Moreover, a wife can be raped by her husband there. They claim that if he has *** with her against her will - this is rape! They consider this rape. They claim she must be willing. They claim that she must want it. There is a disagreement in the West on this issue. Some do give the husband the right to whatever he wants, but in many other cases they don't. Therefore, the wife doesn't submit to the man whenever he wants.

Erik2a4
05-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Well, hell, I agree with the Sheik. I mean, after a long-hard day of work, you should be able to bed down the little lady no matter if she wants too or not! This sounds just like the progressive diversity that we lack so much of in Western society :lol:

PeterRJG
05-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Source?

Legion
05-04-2005, 05:03 PM
http://cgi.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesSheik/sheik.jpg

"Get yo ass over here woman, so I can hit dat!"

SeanAshi
05-04-2005, 05:06 PM
Source?
http://www.memritv.org/

PeterRJG
05-04-2005, 05:14 PM
From that site:


Sheik 'Ali Saud Al-Kuleib: The Al-Aqsa Mosque has been lost in our times. It has been taken over by the enemies of Allah, the enemies of the prophets, the enemies of the messengers, the enemies of the Muslims, and even the enemies of humanity. You cannot find a single nation, a single country or people in the whole wide world who likes the Jews. Hatred of them is in the hearts of all people. If you say to someone - whatever his religion or faith may be – "you Jew," he will not like it one little bit. He will consider this a curse, an offense and dishonor, regardless of his religion. No one likes them. Allah instilled hatred towards them in the hearts of His servants. They took control over the Muslims.

supercontra
05-04-2005, 05:19 PM
The sheik is da man ;)

SeanAshi
05-04-2005, 05:32 PM
From that site:


Sheik 'Ali Saud Al-Kuleib: The Al-Aqsa Mosque has been lost in our times. It has been taken over by the enemies of Allah, the enemies of the prophets, the enemies of the messengers, the enemies of the Muslims, and even the enemies of humanity. You cannot find a single nation, a single country or people in the whole wide world who likes the Jews. Hatred of them is in the hearts of all people. If you say to someone - whatever his religion or faith may be – "you Jew," he will not like it one little bit. He will consider this a curse, an offense and dishonor, regardless of his religion. No one likes them. Allah instilled hatred towards them in the hearts of His servants. They took control over the Muslims.sound like Hitler

2Sheds_Jackson
05-04-2005, 05:48 PM
Heh heh, that's good stuff. In the evil West, not only can a man rape his wife, but there are those (among the ranks of the radical feminists) who say that all *** is rape;



A human being has a body that is inviolate; and when it is violated, it is abused. A woman has a body that is penetrated in intercourse: permeable, its corporeal solidness a lie. The discourse of male truth—literature, science, philosophy, ****ography—calls that penetration violation. This it does with some consistency and some confidence. Violation is a synonym for intercourse. At the same time, the penetration is taken to be a use, not an abuse; a normal use; it is appropriate to enter her, to push into (“violate”) the boundaries of her body. She is human, of course, but by a standard that does not include physical privacy. She is, in fact, human by a standard that precludes physical privacy, since to keep a man out altogether and for a lifetime is deviant in the extreme, a psychopathology, a repudiation of the way in which she is expected to manifest her humanity.

Male-dominant gender hierarchy, however, seems immune to reform by reasoned or visionary argument or by changes in ****** styles, either personal or social. This may be because intercourse itself is immune to reform. In it, female is bottom, stigmatized. Intercourse remains a means or the means of physiologically making a woman inferior: communicating to her cell by cell her own inferior status, impressing it on her, burning it into her by shoving it into her, over and over, pushing and thrusting until she gives up and gives in— which is called surrender in the male lexicon. In the experience of intercourse, she loses the capacity for integrity because her body—the basis of privacy and freedom in the material world for all human beings—is entered and occupied; the boundaries of her physical body are—neutrally speaking— violated. What is taken from her in that act is not recoverable, and she spends her life—wanting, after all, to have something—pretending that pleasure is in being reduced through intercourse to insignificance.

— Andrea Dworkin, Intercourse, chapter 7

Of course after the world crashed in around her, Dworkin swore up and down that she didn't actually mean what she wrote in her book here - that what she really meant was that all men view *** as degradation of women, and veiw women as nothing more than a ****** appliance, but what's written is written.

Man, I would pay real money to see the good Sheik 'Ali Saud Al-Kuleib debate - or better yet, fight Ms. Dworkin. One says it can never be rape, the other says it is always rape. :lol: I bet Dworkin would win, because you just know she's got all that pent-up energy...

Solo
05-04-2005, 06:04 PM
^ He'd probably try to rape her as well and put the discussion to rest

von_Moo142
05-04-2005, 06:07 PM
It would have been an interesting fight, to say the least, and I too woud have put my money on Dworkin. Since she died the other week though, it would now be rather one sided.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-04-2005, 06:11 PM
It would have been an interesting fight, to say the least, and I too woud have put my money on Dworkin. Since she died the other week though, it would now be rather one sided.

rofl :oops: Oops. Well dammit, she could still put up a decent fight. Never underestimate the power of a pissed off feminist! (even a dead one...)

moughoun
05-04-2005, 06:16 PM
It would have been an interesting fight, to say the least, and I too woud have put my money on Dworkin. Since she died the other week though, it would now be rather one sided.

rofl :oops: Oops. Well dammit, she could still put up a decent fight. Never underestimate the power of a pissed off feminist! (even a dead one...)
wasn't Dworkin like 450 pound's built like a tank, my money is....was on her p-)

Solo
05-04-2005, 06:16 PM
I didn't know that either and hope my comment didn't seem disrespectful, as it was meant to the opposite.


Even though, naturally, I'm not with feminists. Nor with Muslims and their style with women though (but you may hear also that some are known to be real gentlemen so it depends)

von_Moo142
05-04-2005, 06:21 PM
Yeah, Dworkin's still pretty scary, even when dead.

Heh, I reckon the force of her ideas alone could floor the guy, through some kind of extreme culture shock, or at least seriously mindfvck him.

Nawlins
05-04-2005, 06:28 PM
In it, female is bottom, stigmatized. Intercourse remains a means or the means of physiologically making a woman inferior:

Any other women feel inferior during ***?

No?

Yeah, I don't either.

von_Moo142
05-04-2005, 06:29 PM
I didn't know that either and hope my comment didn't seem disrespectful, as it was meant to the opposite.

You're probably safe: I doubt there are many radical feminists on MP.net :-)

Solo
05-04-2005, 06:38 PM
In it, female is bottom, stigmatized. Intercourse remains a means or the means of physiologically making a woman inferior:

Any other women feel inferior during ***?

No?

Yeah, I don't either.

The inferior complex only happens to women who have been abused in childhood (not necessarily phisically abused) and to feminists (which is almost the same :lol: )

All other women are just healthy.

MaDuce
05-04-2005, 06:45 PM
It would have been an interesting fight, to say the least, and I too woud have put my money on Dworkin. Since she died the other week though, it would now be rather one sided.

rofl :oops: Oops. Well dammit, she could still put up a decent fight. Never underestimate the power of a pissed off feminist! (even a dead one...)
wasn't Dworkin like 450 pound's built like a tank, my money is....was on her p-)

She beat Richard Marcinko in a physical fitness contest while he was in his prime.

obd
05-04-2005, 07:17 PM
Believe it or not, many conservative Radical Republicans also agree with the views of this Radical Muslum.....................Really if it wernt for the fact that they worship different gods (in thier own minds) the two sides would be allies.............

SeanAshi
05-04-2005, 07:17 PM
Islam needs to modernize.

SeanAshi
05-04-2005, 07:18 PM
Believe it or not, many conservative Radical Republicans also agree with the views of this Radical Muslum.....................Really if it wernt for the fact that they worship different gods (in thier own minds) the two sides would be allies.............bull****, go away troll.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-04-2005, 07:31 PM
In it, female is bottom, stigmatized. Intercourse remains a means or the means of physiologically making a woman inferior:

Any other women feel inferior during ***?

No?

Yeah, I don't either.

rofl I agree....that's about the dumbest statement. (Almost as if the woman was talking about something she's never experienced.) As far as I'm concerned, women are running the show. It's like "ok, now don't move, all right, ok, ok, wait, no, no, ah gat dang it!" then comes the condescending laughter and humiliation. :lol: Baseball only gets a guy so far...

Sir Zach of R.
05-04-2005, 10:47 PM
Believe it or not, many conservative Radical Republicans also agree with the views of this Radical Muslum.....................Really if it wernt for the fact that they worship different gods (in thier own minds) the two sides would be allies.............

Go unload your bull**** on somebody's lawn and try to do something useful with it. :bash:

NicNZ
05-04-2005, 11:59 PM
Its really quite hard to find a fundamentalist view of any religion that doesnt marginalise women. Nothing new there. :roll:

SeanAshi
05-05-2005, 12:32 AM
Its good the Saudis finally banned forced marriages.

Legion
05-05-2005, 09:02 AM
In it, female is bottom, stigmatized. Intercourse remains a means or the means of physiologically making a woman inferior:

Any other women feel inferior during ***?

No?

Yeah, I don't either.

rofl I agree....that's about the dumbest statement. (Almost as if the woman was talking about something she's never experienced.) As far as I'm concerned, women are running the show. It's like "ok, now don't move, all right, ok, ok, wait, no, no, ah gat dang it!" then comes the condescending laughter and humiliation. :lol: Baseball only gets a guy so far...

Ain't it true!

Solo
05-05-2005, 09:06 AM
It is now a dumb statement, but it wasn't so dumb and given for granted for women 20 to 50 years ago

Mr Gently Benevolent
05-05-2005, 09:52 AM
Its good the Saudis finally banned forced marriages.Yeah all they need to do now is stop backing terror then we can really like them a whole lot more.