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Geezah
05-05-2005, 09:02 AM
Police officers yesterday called for a new law to tackle the growing trend of suspects deliberately trying to run them down to avoid arrest.

Dubbed "motor maiming", more and more policemen are being injured by people using their car as a weapon.

The Police Federation yesterday called for a specific offence to be created to bring penalties in line with those for gun and knife crime.

Jan Berry, chairman of the federation, which represents rank and file officers, said they were keen to see a new crime of using a vehicle to "maim or harm, or cause alarm or distress to, another person".

Mrs Berry said that as well as police officers being regularly targeted, members of the public were also being injured and terrorised.

In an extension to the "road rage" concept, vehicles are being used to settle domestic disputes, petty arguments and, late at night outside clubs, to "scare the living daylights out of people".

She said on many occasions, suspects are charged with a relatively minor offence such as careless driving.

Mrs Berry said: "It is about attitude and recognising that a vehicle can be a weapon in the same way as guns and knives.

"There is no deterrent at the moment. If you are going to use a vehicle in that way and get charged with careless driving it is unlikely to stop you doing it again."

In the latest high-profile incident, Special Constable Andreas Hagemann was knocked down in Tynemouth, north Tyneside, after trying to issue a company director with a parking ticket.

Paul Hughes, 40, who last Friday admitted dangerous driving,grinned as Mr Hagemann was forced to roll out of his path.He will be sentenced later.

Officers at West Midlands Police, Britain's second largest force, said that reports of an officer being driven at are now coming in almost every day.

One of their officers was killed in October 2001. Pc Malcolm Walker was chased down and deliberately rammed off the road by a man in a stolen car.

Pc Walker, 45, had been following the suspect on his motorcycle when the driver suddenly reversed, tried to run over him, and then chased him through the streets of Birmingham for several minutes before hitting him. Nicholas Walkers, 24, was convicted of murder and jailed for life.

Paul Tonks, chairman of the West Midlands Police Federation, said: "This has become an almost everyday occurrence. We have got to stop this slaughter of the police and the public by criminals using vehicles as lethal weapons.The punishment does not fit the crime."

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=M44FB5VTH03DBQFIQMGCM5OAVCBQUJVC?xml=/news/2005/05/05/nmaim05.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/05/05/ixhome.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=48807)

They need to reintroduce the death penalty, sh!t like this is just crazy, or give all officers the choice to arm themselves.

Legion
05-05-2005, 09:10 AM
Mrs Berry said: "It is about attitude and recognising that a vehicle can be a weapon in the same way as guns and knives.

Wait a minute! A car was not designed to be a weapon, what a stupid comparison! :cantbeli:

Geezah
05-05-2005, 09:18 AM
Mrs Berry said: "It is about attitude and recognising that a vehicle can be a weapon in the same way as guns and knives.

Wait a minute! A car was not designed to be a weapon, what a stupid comparison! :cantbeli:

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to pick up on that p-)

<Gypsum Fantastic>
05-05-2005, 09:39 AM
In America, wouldn't this be classed as assault with a deadly weapon? Sounds logical to me.

Legion
05-05-2005, 09:53 AM
In America, wouldn't this be classed as assault with a deadly weapon? Sounds logical to me.

Depending on where it happened, yes. Some places actually have assault with a motor vehicle.

EsoognomEhT
05-05-2005, 10:57 AM
They need to reintroduce the death penalty,


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gettout!
Proven to offer no dissuation whatsoever! Why do we need to murder those that try to the run the rozzers down?
Jesus man you've turned!

Flukeman
05-05-2005, 11:07 AM
We have got to stop this slaughter of the police and the public by criminals using vehicles as lethal weapons.

The bloke is talking out of his arse, there is no "slaughter".

Noun Slaughter:The savage and excessive killing of many people.
Verb Slaughter: Kill a large number of people indiscriminately.

EsoognomEhT
05-05-2005, 11:09 AM
Have to say, I havent heard anything about this slaughter myself

Legion
05-05-2005, 11:10 AM
They need to reintroduce the death penalty,


!??!

gettout!
Proven to offer no dissuation whatsoever! Why do we need to murder those that try to the run the rozzers down?
Jesus man you've turned!

Here in the states if you try to run down a LEO you will get the immediate death penalty via 9mm/.40 cal.

EsoognomEhT
05-05-2005, 11:33 AM
l o l

Geezah
05-05-2005, 11:42 AM
They need to reintroduce the death penalty,


!??!

gettout!
Proven to offer no dissuation whatsoever! Why do we need to murder those that try to the run the rozzers down?
Jesus man you've turned!

Is it so looked down upon to actually have some respect for what the boys in blue do?

The Police are it, there is no higher order to keep the mass's under control, so why is it so bad to offer up extreme punishment for those that think it is ok to attack the the man behinfd the badge?

Also Capital Punishment is not murder :cantbeli:

joe mama
05-05-2005, 12:32 PM
They need to reintroduce the death penalty,


!??!

gettout!
Proven to offer no dissuation whatsoever! Why do we need to murder those that try to the run the rozzers down?
Jesus man you've turned!

Proven by who? Here's the only proof of "dissuation" I need to support the death penalty for serious crimes: the executed criminal won't be committing any more crimes. (an example: john wayne gacy killed like 30 people...number of people he's killed since being executed: ZERO.)

Forget about whether it's legal or not, or effective or not, what do you think about the death penalty? Is it right? Wrong? Barbaric? If you're opposed to it, is it because you only think it shouldn't be used because it's not effective?

Legion
05-05-2005, 12:55 PM
Related...


Police use online tips to flag drivers

By LEE ANN O'NEAL
Staff Writer

Keith Truppi conceded that it was childish to spit on the car of a motorist who refused to let him merge last month. After the cars bumped slightly, both drivers pulled over and Truppi apologized.

A police officer issued the Forest Hills man a $50 ticket for careless driving.

''I thought it was pretty much over,'' he said.


But two weeks later, police went to his home, handcuffed him and took him downtown to be booked on a charge of felony reckless endangerment.

Truppi, 36, is the first person to face criminal charges as a result of a new Metro police program that allows citizens to report aggressive drivers over the Internet.

Police received 33 online tips during the first two months. Some of the tips have been used to set up surveillance. Others are tucked away to build future cases.

The online program is part of the Metro department's effort to crack down on traffic violators. Last year, the department launched a team of officers who work in unmarked cars to target aggressive drivers.

In Truppi's case, the other motorists were unsatisfied with the citation he was given after the April 9 accident. Miriam Allen, who was a passenger in the other car, sent a letter to police and filed an online report. She said Truppi's actions ''terrified me.''

Police reviewed the accident report, and Truppi was charged with felony reckless endangerment, a class E felony that carries a penalty of up to six years imprisonment and a $3,000 fine. He is scheduled to appear in court this month.

Truppi, who works as a tree trimmer, says he was trying to merge when the other car blocked him.

''I did get angry, and I spit on the hood of his car,'' he said in an interview this week. ''This spitting part was really childish and immature. I didn't apologize for the rest of it. … I apologized for that part and I cleaned it off his hood.''

He disagreed with the felony charge against him.

''I'm guilty of getting in an accident. I'm guilty of getting angry. I'm guilty of spitting on their car. But as far as intentionally trying to hurt someone, I'm completely innocent of that. It wouldn't dawn on me to try to hurt somebody with my vehicle.''

Bill Ramsey, president of the Nashville Bar Association, sees the online tip system as a legitimate police tool.

''Law enforcement has a right to be innovative and investigate crime,'' he said, ''as long as they're not doing something that affects your basic rights to due process.''

Police say they are being vigilant about the potential for abuse of the online program by people who might want to engage in personal attacks. For example, claims from anonymous sources are treated differently than tips from named complainants, police Sgt. William Keeter said.

''Anything anonymous can be abused, and that's why if someone were to submit the best-written story with all the descriptors,'' but not leave their name, ''we would not be able to proceed with it, because the police officer didn't witness it and the person … is not telling us who they are.''

Laworkerbee
05-05-2005, 01:26 PM
In America, wouldn't this be classed as assault with a deadly weapon? Sounds logical to me.

In Los Angeles they will light you up like a Christmas tree if you try and run them over....the wasy it should be.

A car can be percieved as a 2,000 pound guided missle