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He219
12-09-2003, 07:18 PM
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HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE, N.M. -- (Left to right) Staff Sgts. Armond Cornin and Casell Davis, and Airman 1st Class Louis Delgado apply a layer of primer to the underbelly of an F-117 Nighthawk before it is painted gray. The aircraft will participate in tests aimed at determining the feasibility of using the F-117 during daytime operations. The airmen are assigned to the 49th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron here. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Vanessa LaBoy)

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HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE, N.M. -- An F-117 Nighthawk sits in its hangar after being repainted. The aircraft, owned by the 53rd Test and Evaluation Group's Detachment 1 here, was repainted gray as part of a test to determine whether the F-117 can have a role in daytime combat operations. Normally painted black, the stealth fighters are used for night missions. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Vanessa LaBoy)


A Nighthawk in Raptor's clothing (http://www.af.mil/stories/story.asp?storyID=123006171)

12/9/2003 - HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE, N.M. (AFPN) -- It took 10 gallons of dark gray paint, 5 1/2 gallons of light gray paint and 3 gallons of silicon paint to give one F-117A Nighthawk here an F/A-22 Raptor-style makeover.

Lt. Col. Kevin Sullivan, the 53rd Test and Evaluation Group’s Detachment 1 commander, asked the 49th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron corrosion flight airmen to paint the detachment’s F-117 gray to evaluate whether it could have a substantial role in daytime combat operations.

"The chief of staff wants to have a 24-hour stealth presence over future battlefields," said Lt. Col. Buck Rogers, Det. 1 operations officer. "We know our current black paint scheme wouldn't be a good color for daytime operations."

With the project complete, the jet will participate in upcoming tests as part of a program called Global Strike Task Force, Rogers said. The jet will fly with the F/A-22 in several tests both locally and deployed.

"We use the (F-117) for everything from new tactics development to the evaluation of new software or hardware," said Maj. Tre Urso, a Det. 1 pilot. "Det. 1 has been involved in all the F-117 modifications and upgrades over the years. Now we want to evaluate the feasibility of using the F-117 during daylight operations."

Air Force leaders will approve additional jets for the gray scheme only if the test results show the change is warranted, Rogers said.

Whether or not the rest of the jets are painted, this project is worth the time and effort spent on completing it, Urso said.

"It provides a great opportunity for us to learn about our daytime capabilities and limitations,” he said. “It also helps us evaluate how the new paints will hold up over time and lets us measure the impact the color modification has on the maintenance troops who maintain the jet. Bottom line, we need to make sure we provide our leaders an accurate assessment of the costs and benefits involved with daytime ops and the gray paint scheme." (Courtesy of Air Combat Command News Service)
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Seoulstriker
12-09-2003, 07:23 PM
the :cantbeli: is definitely warranted here.

the only reason why the nighthawk was stealthy at night was because you 1) can't see it at night and 2) radar can not intercept it very well. daytime missions are idiotic for stealth aircraft. :cantbeli:

FlyingGerbil
12-09-2003, 07:24 PM
that is fugly

Tane Angle
12-09-2003, 08:17 PM
Granted that it's using a totally different stealthing method from the Bird of Prey, but isn't the Bird of Prey a test bed for daytime stealth technologies, when given it's special paint job? The pictures I saw in a magazine of that plane made the surface of the plane look totally different from the surfaces pictured above. Anyways, have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Marxist203
12-09-2003, 08:44 PM
that is fugly

Hey man...its not about looks, if it works, it works!

FlyingGerbil
12-09-2003, 09:05 PM
for me it all about looks, especially for the f117

Zach R.
12-09-2003, 09:53 PM
for me it all about looks, especially for the f117

wtf! You're a fricking flying gerbil!

Blanke
12-09-2003, 11:11 PM
the :cantbeli: is definitely warranted here.

the only reason why the nighthawk was stealthy at night was because you 1) can't see it at night and 2) radar can not intercept it very well. daytime missions are idiotic for stealth aircraft. :cantbeli:


Okay, I'm not really following you here....

How is daytime operations bad for stealth aircrafts? Darkness does give an extra advantage but operating in daylight doesn't mean a stealth aircraft automatically sticks out. Anyway isn't that why they're experimenting with a grey color, to improve the F-117's day time visual signature?

The F-117's radar cross section and visual signatures are not the only things that keep it from being spotted and tracked. Its IR and acoustic signatures, or lack of, also play a part. Granted radar in most cases is the most effective way to detect an aircraft, nonetheless its really a combination of signature reducing measures that give a stealth aircraft its advantage

Also if I'm not mistaken, a certain type of grey is actually harder to see at night than black.

Seoulstriker
12-09-2003, 11:15 PM
the :cantbeli: is definitely warranted here.

the only reason why the nighthawk was stealthy at night was because you 1) can't see it at night and 2) radar can not intercept it very well. daytime missions are idiotic for stealth aircraft. :cantbeli:


Okay, I'm not really following you here....

How is daytime operations bad for stealth aircrafts? Darkness does give an extra advantage but operating in daylight doesn't mean a stealth aircraft automatically sticks out. Anyway isn't that why they're experimenting with a grey color, to improve the F-117's day time visual signature?

The F-117's radar cross section and visual signatures are not the only things that keep it from being spotted and tracked. Its IR and acoustic signatures, or lack of, also play a part. Granted radar in most cases is the most effective way to detect an aircraft, nonetheless its really a combination of signature reducing measures that give a stealth aircraft its advantage

Also if I'm not mistaken, a certain type of grey is actually harder to see at night than black.

my understanding is that the F117 flies at relatively low altitudes, usually between 500 and 5000 ft AGL. it is very easy to spot with the naked eye from the ground any aircraft at that altitude, essentially making the 'stealth' aspect worthless. no?

Blanke
12-09-2003, 11:17 PM
well actually another advantage of stealth aircrafts is that they do not need to fly low to avoid radar detection, so an F-117 will still be stealthy at high altitude, not to mention more efficent.

Seoulstriker
12-09-2003, 11:24 PM
well actually another advantage of stealth aircrafts is that they do not need to fly low to avoid radar detection, so an F-117 will still be stealthy at high altitude, not to mention more efficent.

got it. :hug:

AFACadet
12-10-2003, 12:57 AM
F-117 flies above the mid teens.


The F-117 is painted using the paint designed for the Raptor.

If any of you have seen the newest AA pics of the Tyndall, you will see the paint has some color shifting properties based on the light conditons. I'm assuming that is the same kind of paint tested on the Bird of Prey.

Either way, it EXTREMELY effective.


This is simply a test Nighthawk (er DAYhawk ;) and they are going to see if its actually worthwhile.

If it stays, you will know its effective for day operations. If you don't hear anything an never see another gray cockroach, well thats your answer too :)

FlyingGerbil
12-10-2003, 08:11 AM
i still think its fugly.

they should just choose to uglyfy some other gayer plane like an awacs or something we dont see too much