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rister
05-06-2005, 06:36 AM
BBC News Friday, 6 May, 2005, 09:19 GMT 10:19 UK

Bush found someone to blame!!!!

Army Reserve Brigadier General Janis Karpinski has been reduced in rank to colonel, a US army statement said.

She was found guilty of dereliction of duty and accused of concealing a past shoplifting arrest, the army added.

Gen Karpinski is the highest-ranking US soldier to be disciplined over prisoner abuse at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison.

Other high-ranking officers, including former commander of US troops in Iraq Lt Gen Ricardo Sanchez and three of his top aides, have been cleared over the scandal.

Gen Karpinski has insisted she had been made a "convenient scapegoat" for decisions sanctioned above her and that she did not have final authority over the prison.

She headed the military police unit that ran the facility when inmates were maltreated.

Nine junior US soldiers have been charged in connection with the abuse at the prison, and seven of them have already been convicted.

On Wednesday a judge at the trial of Pte Lynndie England, whose photographs sparked the scandal in the first place, declared a mis-trial and entered a not guilty plea on her behalf.

Photographs

Gen Karpinski's demotion followed an investigation by the army's inspector general which substantiated allegations of leadership failures, the army said.

The move to strip her of her rank needed the approval of the US president.

ABU GHRAIB SCANDAL

Sentenced:
Spc Charles Graner
Pte Jeremy Sivits
Sgt Ivan Frederick
Spc Megan Ambuhl
Spc Armin Cruz
Spc Roman Krol
Sgt Javal Davis
Facing trial:
Pte Lynndie England
Spc Sabrina Harman

But the general was absolved of any specific actions that contributed directly to the abuse.

"Though Brigadier General Karpinski's performance of duty was found to be seriously lacking, the investigation determined that no action or lack of action on her part contributed specifically to the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib," the army said.

"They're saying she's the only senior leader that had any part in this, but they're saying she didn't have a direct part in it," her lawyer Neal Puckett told the Washington Post.

"I think they're trying to have it both ways. They are severing the chain of command right at her eyeball level, and not letting it go higher."

The shoplifting allegation meanwhile related to her arrest on suspicion of stealing cosmetics from a shop at an air force base, and then failing to report the incident to her superiors, army officials said.

In its latest statement the army said disciplinary action has also been taken against five officers besides Janis Karpinski, but it did not identify them.

It said one colonel and two lieutenant colonels had been given unspecified administrative punishment, and two other lieutenant colonels had received letters of reprimand.

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toki
05-06-2005, 07:46 AM
I'm wondering. Some people get prison terms. Some demotions. Are you 'more' guilty when you're at the end of the chain of commands. When they blame her, why "just" a demotion? Compared to a prison therm that's nothing.

Just a question. Not a start up for any flaming or taking it to the political side.

edit: OK she had no direct part. But she had to be aware of it. Then it's her fault, too as commander.

11F5S
05-06-2005, 08:02 AM
Army Demotes General in Abu Ghraib Scandal

Published - May 06 2005 04:51AM EDT || AP


"WASHINGTON(AP) The Army has offered its last word on holding its generals accountable in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, but Congress is going to have the final say.

The Army announced that it demoted Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, whose Army Reserve unit was in charge of the prison compound during the period of abuse. Dropping her in rank to colonel required approval from President Bush, and officials said that he granted it on Thursday.

The Army also said it cleared three other, more senior generals of wrongdoing in the prisoner abuse cases, actions that had been previously reported but not publicly confirmed by the Army.

That means Karpinski is the only general to be disciplined thus far. The demotion means her career in the military, where officers must rise in rank or leave, is effectively over. Messages left at her home in Hilton Head, S.C., and with her attorney were not immediately returned."


More than a dozen other lower-ranking officers, whose names were not released, also received various punishments.

_ Three majors were given letters of reprimand and one of the three also was given an unspecified administrative punishment.

_ Three captains were court-martialed, one captain was given an other-than-honorable discharge from the Army, five captains received letters of reprimand, and one was given an unspecified administrative punishment.

_ Two first lieutenants were court-martialed, another got a letter of reprimand and one was given administrative punishment.

_ One second lieutenant was given an other-than-honorable discharge and another was given a letter of reprimand.

_ Two chief warrant officers were court-martialed.

The Army said other cases involving officers linked to detainee abuse are still open, but it did not say how many.

Complete story:
http://www.rr.com/flash/index.cfm

11F5S
05-06-2005, 08:53 AM
Sentenced:
Spc Charles Graner
Pte Jeremy Sivits
Sgt Ivan Frederick S
Spc Megan Ambuhl
Spc Armin Cruz
Spc Roman Krol
Sgt Javal Davis
Facing trial:
Pte Lynndie England
Spc Sabrina Harman

The BBC has some of the individuals rank incorrect.

Jeremy Sivits was a SPC not a Pte (no such rank in the US Army)
Ivan Frederick was a SSG not a SGT.
Lynndie England is a PFC not a Pte.

11F5S
05-06-2005, 09:07 AM
I'm wondering. Some people get prison terms. Some demotions. Are you 'more' guilty when you're at the end of the chain of commands. When they blame her, why "just" a demotion? Compared to a prison therm that's nothing.

Just a question. Not a start up for any flaming or taking it to the political side.

edit: OK she had no direct part. But she had to be aware of it. Then it's her fault, too as commander.

A General wouldn't necessarily be aware of everything that goes on under his/her command.

If a PFC in the mess hall pisses in the mashed potatoes should the Commanding General of the Division be court marshalled for the actions of the PFC, if the General didn't order the PFC to do so?

toki
05-06-2005, 09:14 AM
If a PFC in the mess hall pisses in the mashed potatoes should the Commanding General of the Division be court marshalled for the actions of the PFC, if the General didn't order the PFC to do so?

ok... you have a good point. But if the general tolerates peeing into the mashed potatoes? And another question: Wasn't she at this very place?
I mean it's a building complex and not a whole region she had the command of. Or am i wrong? She was not really far.

Erik2a4
05-06-2005, 10:54 AM
If a PFC in the mess hall pisses in the mashed potatoes should the Commanding General of the Division be court marshalled for the actions of the PFC, if the General didn't order the PFC to do so?

ok... you have a good point. But if the general tolerates peeing into the mashed potatoes? And another question: Wasn't she at this very place?
I mean it's a building complex and not a whole region she had the command of. Or am i wrong? She was not really far.

But, to continue the analogy, if the General is not aware of the pissing on potatoes, then he or she cannot be guilty of tolerating it. It is a failure of management systems (i.e. oversight/supervision of subordinates), not the toleration of illegal acts.

I'd prefer my Generals to hard-charging warriors...not former shoplifters...

11F5S
05-06-2005, 11:02 AM
If a PFC in the mess hall pisses in the mashed potatoes should the Commanding General of the Division be court marshalled for the actions of the PFC, if the General didn't order the PFC to do so?

ok... you have a good point. But if the general tolerates peeing into the mashed potatoes? And another question: Wasn't she at this very place?
I mean it's a building complex and not a whole region she had the command of. Or am i wrong? She was not really far.

You don't seem to know much about how the Army works..or even a Brigade Command.

BG Kapinski was the Commander of the 800th MP Brigade, HQ'd at Camp Bucca near Umm Qasr in southern Iraq, which was responsible for theater-wide Internment and Resettlement operations. not just Abu Grhaib - West of Baghdad.

P.S. It's a far stretch to even think that a BG would tolerate a PFC pissing in the food....

11F5S
05-06-2005, 11:13 AM
Neal A. Puckett, Karpinski's attorney, told The Washington Post that the Army is saying "she's the only senior leader that had any part in this, but they're saying she didn't have a direct part in it." The Army is severing the chain of command "right at her eyeball level, and not letting it go higher," Puckett told the newspaper.

The Army did not explain the specifics of the allegations, but a number of previous investigations of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuses have accused Karpinski of failing to maintain order and prevent the abuses. She has said publicly that she was not given full authority over Abu Ghraib and that when photographs of the abuse became public she was made a scapegoat.