1/3 new US-trained iraqi soldiers "quit"

[Trident-za]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_new_army_1

Are thes guys quiting because of pressure, or where they always intending to quite (i.e. insurgents being trained by the US)??

[Maverick77]

They probley just get U.S training then report to a Guerilla unit.

[Jack Mehoff]

It was uncertain exactly why a third abandoned their new jobs, though some had complained that the starting salary — $60 a month for privates — was too low, officials said. The Chicago Tribune, which first reported the resignations, quoted officials in Baghdad as saying soldiers were angry after comparing their pay with the salaries of other forces. Iraqi police are paid $60 a month and the Civil Defense Corps $50, officials have said.

[Seoulstriker]

2/3 of iraqi forces stay on the job. :roll:

[Seiyuuki]

They're already complaining about the pay??????????

[Jack Mehoff]

At least they have the freedom to bitch and a freedom to choose whether or not they should serve in their armed forces. :D

[California Joe]

They quit because TriggerPuller is their DI.

That and this guy named Adam introduced them to metro****** naked airsoft.

[Marxist203]

They're already complaining about the pay??????????


I would imagine so...considering they haven't been payed at all yet. The police are complaining to, there are daily protests about this. You'd know this if you guys actually paid attention to the news ;)

[Trident-za]

Good to see you looking on the "bright side" :)

[Argyll]

Joe ,
rofl that's a classic mate!!!!

[mocking_loudly_died]

There’s is no greater feeling than quitting.

I pretty much have quit all my occupations and newly acquired hobbies.

The following is some projects that I have let slip away:

Rogue Ninja Special Forces unit based out of my bedroom
(quit because I had no friends to join my deniable cell of bad ass's).

Female Condom (quit cause no woman would insert me).

SA-80 rifle designer (quit because every one thinks my gun sucks....yes I am the man behind this "weapon").

[Fioraon]

Well, if thats all they have to quit about then so be it. Things cant be that bad.

[Seiyuuki]

Are they "Unionize?"

[front]

"Are they "Unionize?""

Do you mean are they unionising?

Unions are illegal in Iraq:

"And not only that, but on June 16, the Occupation Authority, Paul Bremer, issued a new regulation called "prohibitive activity," which prohibits anybody from even encouraging any kind of strike or labor dispute in any factory or installation in Iraq and threatens to take anybody who does this Prisoner of War -- under Geneva Convention 49.

So, essentially Iraqi workers are being denied the basic rights that are supposed to be guaranteed them until all workers under conventions of the international labor organization that have been signed both by the Iraqi government and by the U.S. government, as well."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/30/1627246

But the Iraqis don't seem to want to stand for that for some reason:

"Well, people are -- Despite these prohibitions, there are new unions that have begun organizing workers in factories, in the wake of the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime."

<snip>

"And these new unions being formed in Iraq are all calling for an end to the Occupation as part of what they see will improve conditions for Iraqi workers and also give them some voice over the direction of the Iraqi economy. Right now, workers have no voice over these privatization plans.

They're simply being announced by Americans, by people from the United States like Tom Foley, who is the Occupation Authority's representative for private sector development. He gets into the newspapers in Baghdad and announces the industries that will be privatized.

But there is no process, even, of consultation with Iraqi workers, let alone any process in which they can decide over whether or not the property of the Iraqi government is going to be sold off or turned over to private owners."

cheers

front

[Dalleer]

The pay sucks, you've got threats flying at you from the guerillas, your life is in constant danger...

Pretty hard for the Iraqi soldiers these days, I'm surprised that even 2/3 decide to stay in the newly formed army.

[Jack Mehoff]

and they, the Iraqis expect foreign troops to end the occupation in Iraq? :roll:

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Well it aint all peaches n cream for those willing to be brave enough to fight off terrorists/Fedayeen, would you guys put your ass on the line for $60 bucks monthly. And would you be happy when your not paid your $60 bucks when then month is over?

This is a sure sign of democracy n free speach.

"And not only that, but on June 16, the Occupation Authority, Paul Bremer, issued a new regulation called "prohibitive activity," which prohibits anybody from even encouraging any kind of strike or labor dispute in any factory or installation in Iraq and threatens to take anybody who does this Prisoner of War -- under Geneva Convention 49.


I tell ya that sure sounds like an occupation to me.

Right now, workers have no voice over these privatization plans.

Working to rebuild Iraq into democracy one step at a time ;) rofl

[Jack Mehoff]

Well it aint all peaches n cream for those willing to be brave enough to fight off terrorists/Fedayeen, would you guys put your ass on the line for $60 bucks monthly. And would you be happy when your not paid your $60 bucks when then month is over?



How much do you expect them to get pay?

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Alot more then $60 bucks, remeber this is the amount that Saddam paid them a few years ago. Besides you guys are throwing the billions in here (Canada donated $300 million) With all that cash im sure you pay them something worthy at least $80 bucks or maybe a $100. You guys just wasted $87 million that was supposed to help increase employment. (its still at 70% people unemployed)

There guys lives are worth more then $60 bucks.

[Jack Mehoff]

Saddam paid them a few years ago? I thought Saddam hasta la vista in less than a year rofl

Here are a few things you should keep in mind:

1)Trust me, hazardous pay a month for U.S. servicemen is only enough for a nightout and maybe a few beers.
2)You can not compare between the average Iraqis income and average American/Canadian incomes
3)How much did they got pay under Saddam?
4)$60 is a fortune for most undeveloped countries and Iraq is one of them.

[Seiyuuki]

Are they "Unionize?"

[GODDARD]

I reckon they should all have the choice to quit or not to quit. but if they do quit make sure they dont go any where to train some freak that wants to kill the U.S or any other nation willing to make a stand there is a price to freedom. :fork:

[Kriz]

They're already complaining about the pay??????????
Damn communists rofl

[GazB]

"4)$60 is a fortune for most undeveloped countries and Iraq is one of them."

Hahahaha... yeah Iraq is a third world country. $60 is peanuts in an oil rich country.

[duck]

The top ex-SF contractors protecting Paul Bremer and other VIPs are said to rake in 1000 bucks a day. Quality doesn't come free?

[Skaman]

I make 68 canadian A DAY in the CAF. What is that, 40 US?

The Iraqi's deserve better pay. My my, the US certainly is doing a great job pulling this nation together.

[Jack Mehoff]

"4)$60 is a fortune for most undeveloped countries and Iraq is one of them."

Hahahaha... yeah Iraq is a third world country. $60 is peanuts in an oil rich country.

I smell bull**** again. Go check your fact because i already checked mine.

'Undeveloped' also known as 'Least industrialized'
'Developed' also known as 'Most industrialized'



Oil rich nations are:
United Arab Emirates
Qatar
Kuwait
Bahrain
Oman
Saudi Arabia
Libya

Iraq is in Least Industrialized Nations(undeveloped) and #60 in the world's list. Yes, this survey took place BEFORE the Iraq War. Income per capita national gross product based on U.S. dollars for Iraq is $2560

[96B]

"4)$60 is a fortune for most undeveloped countries and Iraq is one of them."

Hahahaha... yeah Iraq is a third world country. $60 is peanuts in an oil rich country.

Iraq could easily have been a prosperous nation, but nearly all of the oil profit and wealth generated by the country went straight into Sadaams pocket not to the people where it belonged.

[Jack Mehoff]

"4)$60 is a fortune for most undeveloped countries and Iraq is one of them."

Hahahaha... yeah Iraq is a third world country. $60 is peanuts in an oil rich country.

Iraq could easily have been a prosperous nation, but nearly all of the oil profit and wealth generated by the country went straight into Sadaams pocket not to the people where it belonged.

Precisely, just because Iraq is full of oil doesn't mean their people are prosperous.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Iraq could easily have been a prosperous nation, but nearly all of the oil profit and wealth generated by the country went straight into Sadaams pocket not to the people where it belonged.

And all future profits will go into the pockets of US industrial conglomerates, I know many Americans feel that their countries motives in Iraq are completely altruistic but all I can see is the organised looting of a state by other states, not the introduction of freedom and liberty.

[Jack Mehoff]

Iraq could easily have been a prosperous nation, but nearly all of the oil profit and wealth generated by the country went straight into Sadaams pocket not to the people where it belonged.

And all future profits will go into the pockets of US industrial conglomerates, I know many Americans feel that their countries motives in Iraq are completely altruistic but all I can see is the organised looting of a state by other states, not the introduction of freedom and liberty.

You know, if we really want to exploit other nations then Germany, South Korea and Japan would be the first :bash:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You know, if we really want to exploit other nations then Germany, South Korea and Japan would be the first :bash:

How did you arrive at the above choices Jack, all are excellent centers of production but are lacking in natural resources so would make very bad long term conquests.

[Jack Mehoff]

You know, if we really want to exploit other nations then Germany, South Korea and Japan would be the first :bash:

How did you arrive at the above choices Jack, all are excellent centers of production but are lacking in natural resources so would make very bad long term conquests.

cheap workers for Walmart?

[GazB]

"I smell bull**** again."

Pull you head out of your a$$ then.

"'Undeveloped' also known as 'Least industrialized'"

So the US is having huge problems getting one of the most unindustrialised nations in the world together?
It is asking, even demanding international help to do that?

No wonder you are getting shot at, all you care about is oil and money. These people have a rich culture that goes back for at least 6 thousand years and you are rating them by how many factories they had.

[phony doctors. hello!]

So the US is having huge problems getting one of the most unindustrialised nations in the world together?
It is asking, even demanding international help to do that?

No wonder you are getting shot at, all you care about is oil and money. These people have a rich culture that goes back for at least 6 thousand years and you are rating them by how many factories they had.

25 million people who have been under a ruthless dictator for 30 years, been bombed for 10, and lived through years of sanctions, repression, death, economic instability, inflation etc, don't just get back up and put humpty dumpty back togeather again without any fuss. Not only that but the fact that there are a large number of different ethnic/religious groups in the country, each with self interests and a different idea about how Iraq should look like, and varying loyalty to the coalition provisional authority, doesn't make it easy.

Sure, the US isn't doing a great job, but give them more credit than the 'Oil and Money gag.'
Oil is a factor, and its something important to the Americans, but its not only about that. If they only cared about oil, they'd have already put a puppet president in power, eg one of saddams former generals, and allowed all the elements of the old regime to re-emerge, the same guys, just wearing a new uniform. But they haven't, for all their faults, the Americans are making an effort to make it work in Iraq.

[Andyman]

Do you guys think that this is a low blow for the coalition forces trying to relieve pressure off of their own units. I mean they put time into this and have only received 2/3 of what they put in. It's like investing in stocks and then getting raped and having 2/3 of your cash taken. I think it sucks for the U.S, but hey reap what you sow correct p-)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

good point andyman, they just spent more money on traning 1/3 of those soldiers to possibly loose them to insurgents. With 70% unemployment, its not like they are going to work at a gas station. They will obviously take up arms and do what they were trained to do, plus not to mention putting the lives in jeopardy of future trained soldiers by revealing tactics/info.
just my 2 pennies worth