Taser in french Police

[soldier42]

Taser for the GIPN in France
http://www.imagesenaction.com/reportages/reportage07.htm

http://www.jose-nicolas.com/iea/report07/04.jpg

[tab]

The same taser is being used/tested here in Finland too.

Looks good. Color should be black, OD or something else than yellow. p-)

[Uhlan]

The same taser is being used/tested here in Finland too.

Looks good. Color should be black, OD or something else than yellow. p-)

Yellows better, you want the perp to see you are deploying it and that it isn't a gun.

[Frens]

The same taser is being used/tested here in Finland too.

Looks good. Color should be black, OD or something else than yellow. p-)

Yellows better, you want the perp to see you are deploying it and that it isn't a gun.

that's why it shouldn't be yellow :lol:

[Slinky]

swat 4 had smth like that

[Inconnu]

http://www.jose-nicolas.com/iea/report07/01.jpg

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[LeMat]

I heard about that taser. It is fantastic weapon. It makes something like fake brain impulses so it makes your muscles soft and you fall like a doll without felling pain. You just feel that you lost control of your body. No pain and no danger for health.

[Thumbtack]

I heard about that taser. It is fantastic weapon. It makes something like fake brain impulses so it makes your muscles soft and you fall like a doll without felling pain. You just feel that you lost control of your body. No pain and no danger for health.

I'm sorry but it is quite the opposite. What it does is shock the hell out of you causing your muscles to contract creating immobility and intense temporary pain.

[JasonH]

This tazer gun is up for debate in British Columbia (It is deployed with the RCMP here) because there have been various deaths because of the shock creating things such as Heart attacks etc.

[Malc]

Taser guns are currently in use by firearms officers in the UK, I heard about a incident outside the MI5 HQ in London when a crazy man ran towards the building with a samari obviously hoping to perform suicide by cop instead one of the on duty firearms officer shot him with a taser.

[EvanL]

Tasers can only trigger heart attacks in people with pacemakers or people who are high on drugs such as coccaine,speed,crystal meth.

[Moledet]

I heard about that taser. It is fantastic weapon. It makes something like fake brain impulses so it makes your muscles soft and you fall like a doll without felling pain. You just feel that you lost control of your body. No pain and no danger for health.
I don't think it's the same weapon.
Taser causes the muscles to flex real hard because of the high voltage that passes through the nerves, you do feel pain like in an electrical shock.

Since the heart is also a muscle it can cause a heart failure.
It's like when athletes takes drugs that causes them to get to dangerous levels of pulse.

[EvanL]

I heard about that taser. It is fantastic weapon. It makes something like fake brain impulses so it makes your muscles soft and you fall like a doll without felling pain. You just feel that you lost control of your body. No pain and no danger for health.
I don't think it's the same weapon.
Taser causes the muscles to flex real hard because of the high voltage that passes through the nerves, you do feel pain like in an electrical shock.

Since the heart is also a muscle it can cause a heart failure.
It's like when athletes takes drugs that causes them to get to dangerous levels of pulse.
Once again, they only cause heart attacks when used on a person with previous serious heart conditions, or people high on drugs like speed.

It stuns the target by causing an uncontrollable contraction of the muscle tissue. He/she is immobilized and falls to the ground – regardless of pain tolerance or mental focus.

In 1989, a Canadian study found that stun guns induced heart attacks in pigs with pacemakers. Ten years later, an American study concluded that weapons delivering a jolt weaker than Tasers increased the risk of cardiac arrest in people with heart conditions.


So far, no autopsy report from a death that followed an altercation with police that included a shot from a Taser has concluded that the Taser caused the death.

Neve says tests on police and members of the military may have gone well, but he notes they're among the fittest people around and not likely to suffer adverse reactions to a Taser shot. Studies, he says, have suggested that people who abuse drugs or who have heart conditions could be at risk.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tasers/

[Airborneranger4israel]

its been in use in this model and older ones in the US. THere has been much controvesry because over 50 people have died from being tazered. probably if you only pull the trigger once its safe, but somtime the cops hold down on the trigger if they aren't properly trained.

[EvanL]

its been in use in this model and older ones in the US. THere has been much controvesry because over 50 people have died from being tazered. probably if you only pull the trigger once its safe, but somtime the cops hold down on the trigger if they aren't properly trained.

So far, no autopsy report from a death that followed an altercation with police that included a shot from a Taser has concluded that the Taser caused the death.

[Resevoir Hogs]

I've been shocked by the second generation tazer gun, they hurt like hell.

[EvanL]

I've been shocked by the second generation tazer gun, they hurt like hell.
did it hurt as much as the time i kicked you in the gonads?

[Resevoir Hogs]

It actually hurt as much as when you had to kiss them better(too much teeth)

[MaDuce]

The same taser is being used/tested here in Finland too.

Looks good. Color should be black, OD or something else than yellow. p-)

TOF is immune to tazers

[Daga]

Problem with the 1989 study was that the "tasers" back then are not the tasers now... I managed to get the taser x26 cd and it showed the evolution of the taser series - much different approach than in the early 90s where the mechanism for compliance was only pain mediated...
Taser will argue no death has been attributed to the weapon... I noticed on the taser cd though, the taser staff called it a less lethal weapon, not a non-lethal weapon - which is an important distinction. Some police orgs use the taser just above verbal commands in the chain of force escalation - I think this might not be the best approach.... Perhaps it should be under firearms.
Regardless, even with a .1% chance of fatality, it sure beats getting shot with a REAL bullet...

[Airborneranger4israel]

its been in use in this model and older ones in the US. THere has been much controvesry because over 50 people have died from being tazered. probably if you only pull the trigger once its safe, but somtime the cops hold down on the trigger if they aren't properly trained.

So far, no autopsy report from a death that followed an altercation with police that included a shot from a Taser has concluded that the Taser caused the death.

actualy several independent medical examinations revealed it was due to some kind of stress on the heart , most likley caused by the shock that statement you have htere is from tazer international, 50 deaths from the same "non leathal weapon" either it isnt being used properly or there is a defect, but please dont pull quotes , your not fooling anyone

[Rakki]

Anybody willing to sign a statement that a certain piece of equipment is "non lethal" would be a fool. Everything is less-than-lethal - a bean bag in the head could probably kill you as well, and if it goes in the eye... splatch.

Incidentally, the taser is bright yellow to differentiate between it and a gun. That's so police officers don't accidentally blow someone's innards out thinking he was tasering someone.

As for heart attacks and pacemakers, the reason tasers exist is to reduce the risk to the officer - and provide a stand off method other than shooting to subdue suspects. If all the risk is on the suspect that's fine with me.

[gilgoul]

Anybody willing to sign a statement that a certain piece of equipment is "non lethal" would be a fool. Everything is less-than-lethal - a bean bag in the head could probably kill you as well, and if it goes in the eye... splatch.

Incidentally, the taser is bright yellow to differentiate between it and a gun. That's so police officers don't accidentally blow someone's innards out thinking he was tasering someone.

As for heart attacks and pacemakers, the reason tasers exist is to reduce the risk to the officer - and provide a stand off method other than shooting to subdue suspects. If all the risk is on the suspect that's fine with me.


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[Herrmannek]

its been in use in this model and older ones in the US. THere has been much controvesry because over 50 people have died from being tazered. probably if you only pull the trigger once its safe, but somtime the cops hold down on the trigger if they aren't properly trained.

So far, no autopsy report from a death that followed an altercation with police that included a shot from a Taser has concluded that the Taser caused the death.

actualy several independent medical examinations revealed it was due to some kind of stress on the heart , most likley caused by the shock that statement you have htere is from tazer international, 50 deaths from the same "non leathal weapon" either it isnt being used properly or there is a defect, but please dont pull quotes , your not fooling anyone

Most if not all of the deaths i heard off weren't caused by taser, but by overdose of intoxicants or other external factors(ie overall very bad health)...coincidence and amount of uses of taser made that people very high on drugs or very ill are tazered but cause of their dead is more obvious and more related to their critical state than fact they are tasered.. It was like few hundrets of thousands of uses of taser and only 50 suspected deaths while using it? Risx of death exist but I'm sure use of baton is much more dangerous for both cop and criminal...

[Sharp]

Who have test the first series of the taser? :lol:

[Marmot1]

I heard about that taser. It is fantastic weapon. It makes something like fake brain impulses so it makes your muscles soft and you fall like a doll without felling pain. You just feel that you lost control of your body. No pain and no danger for health.
I don't think it's the same weapon.
Taser causes the muscles to flex real hard because of the high voltage that passes through the nerves, you do feel pain like in an electrical shock.

Since the heart is also a muscle it can cause a heart failure.
It's like when athletes takes drugs that causes them to get to dangerous levels of pulse.
Well heart atack is alway better than bullet.... ;-)

Polish Police will get them this year, the same model Frenchies have, I have seen one video on presentation when they used it to stunt a huge bull, it was fantastic after like 3-4 sec bull was lying on a side...

[Shiftyfive]

My old man is a crisis intervention police officer here on our department. Which means among his other task he has to deal with mentaly unstable people - many of which are violent. The tazor is a great option for dealing with the violent one as it takes the will to fight right out of people, instead of having to get into a physical scuffle with people. the police can now shoot them with those darts and hit them with the juice - then if it doesnt work the first time and their still fighting they can warn them and then issue another jolt of da tazer. The bigger a crook is the better because the more water a person has in their bodies the more effective it is. The tazer has a chip that records each time and when you pull the trigger and how long you held it down - some give a preset time of shock others you can hold the trigger down just depends on how the department sets them up. So that way when they go to court and they say the officer abused the tazer - they have proof either way. They all took turns getting zapped with it out at the acadamy - I have a great picture of my father getting shocked to **** - the look on his face is priceless. And another great thing about it is - unlike pepper spray which is not often effective on people who are drunk and high - a tazer will often burn right through their drug induced haze and get their attention. Warning to others - the tazer can make you lose control of your bowls and bladder - rember to take a healthy **** and piss before getting into a altercation with tazer weilding police ;)

[aclark79]

I have actually been hit by the M26, the precursor to the taser in the picture. I had the two leads taped on and then was given a 5 second jolt. I locked up, made this funny juh juh juhgnh noise and then started to fall like a tree. We were on mats and I had two guys standing with me to catch me.

It was the most painful exsperiance in my life, but 15 seconds later I was standing up and was fine.

The Taser CAN NOT be held in the on position, it turns itself off and the trigger must be pulled again. A cop can not just hold it down and 'tourtue' someone.

Now, I have also been pepper sprayed and I couldn't open my eyes for 30 minutes and was in extreme pain, but it DID NOT incapacitate me. We were doing weapon retention drills (with redguns) and although I couldn't see and was in extreme pain I fought off my 'attacker' and kept my weapon.

Tasers also don't contaminate the environment or other people, they are much easier to shoot accuratly and you don't have to wash the car you carry a taser victim in.

I would much rather be hit with a taser than pepper spray. More people have lost thier eye sight, sufferd cornea damager or tother damage damage due to pepper spray than injuries due to Tasers.

Most Taser injuries are from the fall, not from the Taser itself.

Don't forget we are talking about people who are being subdued in some way for a reason, the cops aren't out there tasering people without just cause. If its a choice between being tasered or pepper sprayed, hit with a baton or shot, I'll take the taser any day.

[Shiftyfive]

hmmm it cant be set for 2 modes? are you sure we are talking about the same model? the cops I talked to I know here said that was possible - it would be no different than a stun gun - which by the way is one way you can use the tazer the department here in my town uses. I think theirs is set for a 3 sec shock here. I will have to do some more research on that.

[FallenAngel]

hmmm it cant be set for 2 modes? are you sure we are talking about the same model? the cops I talked to I know here said that was possible - it would be no different than a stun gun - which by the way is one way you can use the tazer the department here in my town uses. I think theirs is set for a 3 sec shock here. I will have to do some more research on that.

IIRC you can take off the font part of the taser (the yellow part in the picture on pg 1) which houses the barbs and wires. Beneath that box is a stun-gun.

[Mark Sman]

The police here are getting them. Some folks are complaining, but I see the Taser as a good thing.

Probably very useful in apprehending dangerous and mentally unstable people.

Sure beats the hell out of shooting them with a pistol. Many police officers quit after having to shoot somebody. Other officers suffer mental stress after a shooting.

Tasering somebody is stil going to be part of a stress situation, but if you can just slap the cuffs on them and take the leads out, well that beats the hell out of being forced to kill them.

Maybe if word gets out that "suicide by cop" earns you a high voltage jolt followed by a year in "pound me up the ass prison" than less people will try it.

[Boneman]

The police here are getting them. Some folks are complaining, but I see the Taser as a good thing.

Probably very useful in apprehending dangerous and mentally unstable people.

Sure beats the hell out of shooting them with a pistol. Many police officers quit after having to shoot somebody. Other officers suffer mental stress after a shooting.

Tasering somebody is stil going to be part of a stress situation, but if you can just slap the cuffs on them and take the leads out, well that beats the hell out of being forced to kill them.

Maybe if word gets out that "suicide by cop" earns you a high voltage jolt followed by a year in "pound me up the ass prison" than less people will try it.

Hell yeah - x2!!

I can't even fathom why people would even complain about the use of tazers. As Sman just said, look at the alternative...9mm to the chest and head! And for those who still bitch about em....well, if you don't do something really stupid and break the law, then you should never end up on the receiving end of one now should you!?!?

[LeMat]

I heard about that taser. It is fantastic weapon. It makes something like fake brain impulses so it makes your muscles soft and you fall like a doll without felling pain. You just feel that you lost control of your body. No pain and no danger for health.

I'm sorry but it is quite the opposite. What it does is shock the hell out of you causing your muscles to contract creating immobility and intense temporary pain.



I heard about that taser. It is fantastic weapon. It makes something like fake brain impulses so it makes your muscles soft and you fall like a doll without felling pain. You just feel that you lost control of your body. No pain and no danger for health.
I don't think it's the same weapon.
Taser causes the muscles to flex real hard because of the high voltage that passes through the nerves, you do feel pain like in an electrical shock.

Since the heart is also a muscle it can cause a heart failure.
It's like when athletes takes drugs that causes them to get to dangerous levels of pulse.

NO! NO!! NO!!! p-)
I read about that taser in our newspaper. It is taser of new generation. It doesn't give you an electric shock but it terminates brain to muscles communication. Not to heart but to legs and arms muscles (heart is activating by different kind of brain impulses). So you don't feel pain or blow when you are hit by that taser but you just lost control of your body. That weapon is safe for pregnant women and people with some electronic inside (like heart activator). Also it gives your 100% of succes in temporaly disabling people. And that is why that weapon is so special.

[Bluezoo]

Damn, what if the cop is cross eyed and shot your balls! My gawd, hope the effects are temporary paralysis of the muscle, otherwise, that's history for our stir fry junior. Bye bye baby, no more happy times :lol:

[EffJi]

I don't know if the swedish police is getting them.
Apperantly, people are afraid that the evil, fascist police officers of Sweden are going to use them to electrocute babies.
These are also the same people that cries out when supects are shot to death by police officers after threatening the officers with knives and other melee weapons.
And hates the ideo of a national DNA database until a huge tidal waves washes over Thaisland and DNA can be used to ID the victims.

Hypocrasy is great.
And from what I gather, so is the taser. Got a heart faliure? A good reason not the break the law.