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Seoulstriker
12-11-2003, 03:43 PM
From: Press Service <afisnews_sender@DTIC.MIL>
Subject: No War Trophies Allowed from Iraq, Afghanistan
To: DEFENSE-PRESS-SERVICE-L@DTIC.MIL

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Dec. 11, 2003 * Do not even think about
bringing back to the United States war trophies from your
service in Iraq and Afghanistan.

With about 140,000 American service members due to rotate
out of Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. Central Command [http://www.centcom.mil]
officials are very clear that service members cannot bring
home weapons, ammunition and other prohibited items.

A few soldiers of the 3rd Infantry Division [http://www.stewart.army.mil/Display.asp?Page=519F0559
-BB39-492A-BF6D-7AAF2FBE0CE7]
understand how serious the command is. Some soldiers tried
to smuggle weapons back from Baghdad, and they have gone
through courts martial. Others received Article 15
administrative punishments. "There is a whole spectrum of
punishments, depending on the severity of the offense,"
said Maj. Robert Resnick, an Army lawyer at Fort Stewart,
Ga.

Army
Gen. John Abizaid [http://www.centcom.mil/aboutus/cdrbio.htm], the commander of U.S. Central
Command, has put out the policy. Basically, under no
circumstances can individuals take as a souvenir an object
that was formerly in the possession of the enemy. The
taking of war trophies goes against the coalition mission
in Iraq and Afghanistan, officials said.

"We didn't go into Iraq or Afghanistan to conquer them, but
to liberate them," said Marine Capt. Bruce Frame, a Central
Command spokesman. "Taking articles from those countries
sends the wrong message."

Service members with questions should work through the
chain of command, CENTCOM officials said, adding that
service members will be given ample briefings on what is
allowed and what is not. In the case of Iraq, unit
commanders will brief service members on the policy before
leaving for Kuwait.

In Kuwait, military police will explain the policy and will
permit an amnesty period before searching gear and
vehicles. In the United States, U.S. Customs
Service [http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/] officials will examine individual gear.

In Afghanistan, unit commanders will explain the policy,
and MPs there also will explain it and offer an amnesty
period before the service members board the planes. Again,
Customs will examine gear and baggage upon return to the
United States.

The same prohibitions pertain to American civilians serving
in the Central Command area of operations.

Other federal laws pertain to other items. For example,
service members cannot bring back plants, animals or other
organic materials. Some Marines returning from Afghanistan
in April 2002, for example, tried to bring back the skulls
of sheep attached to their guidons. The Customs agents met
the Marines as they landed on the beach at Camp Lejeune,
N.C., and confiscated the items.

No one can bring back antiquities into the United States,
and of course, no one can bring drugs or drug paraphernalia
into the United States.

The overall prohibition does not pertain to souvenirs that
can be legally imported into the United States, officials
said.

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California Joe
12-11-2003, 03:47 PM
What's wrong with a few sheep heads and some full auto assault rifles. Pain in the ass customs agents.

What about gazelle heads from the barbeque they had on Saddam's exotic animal ranch?

Seoulstriker
12-11-2003, 03:48 PM
What's wrong with a few sheep heads and some full auto assault rifles. Pain in the ass customs agents.

What about gazelle heads from the barbeque they had on Saddam's exotic animal ranch?

you would think that the troops would know better than to bring those items to the US. :|

California Joe
12-11-2003, 03:51 PM
To the victors go the spoils. Who wouldn't want a cool ass trophy.

My neighbor has a Mauser, luger, SS bayonet and the biggest damned Nazi flag I've ever seen fron riding with Patton....

Argyll
12-11-2003, 03:58 PM
Political Correctness Joe thats whats wrong!

cut
12-11-2003, 04:02 PM
how is that not PC? they are stealing from saddam not from the iraqis

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-11-2003, 04:02 PM
Personally there was many "trophies" taken in WW2 and Vietnam, I dont see the problem with taking home weapons as long as they give the firing pin to there commanders or superiors. Ammunition should be left, nobody needs 7.62mm full metal jackets for hunting. Whatever happened to taking a shirt :P

cut
12-11-2003, 04:03 PM
I'd bring back one of those gold plated AK's

California Joe
12-11-2003, 04:08 PM
I'd bring back one of those gold plated AK's

To hell with those AK's. Saddamn was a gun nut, did you see all the antique rifles he had?

cut
12-11-2003, 04:16 PM
some of them, I've changed my mind, I'd get the farmers arcaic "magic" rifle that "took out" the Apache aswell. :D

California Joe
12-11-2003, 04:18 PM
He probably had more Winchesters than John Wayne. Nice double barrel bird guns too.

hedgehog
12-11-2003, 04:42 PM
German troops went through similar punishments when they shipped back weapons from the UCK in Kosovo back in 1999. I think some were even labeled as arms dealers because in one case they had a container full of them labelled as "For training purposes".
I think I would have done the same...you never know when you might need a 12.7mm russian machine gun :D

NcDeuce
12-11-2003, 05:59 PM
From: Press Service <afisnews_sender@DTIC.MIL>
Subject: No War Trophies Allowed from Iraq, Afghanistan
To: DEFENSE-PRESS-SERVICE-L@DTIC.MIL

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Dec. 11, 2003 * Do not even think about
bringing back to the United States war trophies from your
service in Iraq and Afghanistan.

With about 140,000 American service members due to rotate
out of Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. Central Command [http://www.centcom.mil]
officials are very clear that service members cannot bring
home weapons, ammunition and other prohibited items.

A few soldiers of the 3rd Infantry Division [http://www.stewart.army.mil/Display.asp?Page=519F0559
-BB39-492A-BF6D-7AAF2FBE0CE7]
understand how serious the command is. Some soldiers tried
to smuggle weapons back from Baghdad, and they have gone
through courts martial. Others received Article 15
administrative punishments. "There is a whole spectrum of
punishments, depending on the severity of the offense,"
said Maj. Robert Resnick, an Army lawyer at Fort Stewart,
Ga.

Army
Gen. John Abizaid [http://www.centcom.mil/aboutus/cdrbio.htm], the commander of U.S. Central
Command, has put out the policy. Basically, under no
circumstances can individuals take as a souvenir an object
that was formerly in the possession of the enemy. The
taking of war trophies goes against the coalition mission
in Iraq and Afghanistan, officials said.

"We didn't go into Iraq or Afghanistan to conquer them, but
to liberate them," said Marine Capt. Bruce Frame, a Central
Command spokesman. "Taking articles from those countries
sends the wrong message."

Service members with questions should work through the
chain of command, CENTCOM officials said, adding that
service members will be given ample briefings on what is
allowed and what is not. In the case of Iraq, unit
commanders will brief service members on the policy before
leaving for Kuwait.

In Kuwait, military police will explain the policy and will
permit an amnesty period before searching gear and
vehicles. In the United States, U.S. Customs
Service [http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/] officials will examine individual gear.

In Afghanistan, unit commanders will explain the policy,
and MPs there also will explain it and offer an amnesty
period before the service members board the planes. Again,
Customs will examine gear and baggage upon return to the
United States.

The same prohibitions pertain to American civilians serving
in the Central Command area of operations.

Other federal laws pertain to other items. For example,
service members cannot bring back plants, animals or other
organic materials. Some Marines returning from Afghanistan
in April 2002, for example, tried to bring back the skulls
of sheep attached to their guidons. The Customs agents met
the Marines as they landed on the beach at Camp Lejeune,
N.C., and confiscated the items.

No one can bring back antiquities into the United States,
and of course, no one can bring drugs or drug paraphernalia
into the United States.

The overall prohibition does not pertain to souvenirs that
can be legally imported into the United States, officials
said.

_______________________________________________________
NOTE: This is a plain text version of a web page. If your e-mail program
did not properly format this information, you may view the story at
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2003/n12112003_200312118.html
Any photos, graphics or other imagery included in the article may also
be viewed at this web page.

That's big Army for ya. My friend's dad came back with a nifty sword.

mocking_loudly_died
12-11-2003, 06:11 PM
I want some one to bring back Saddams head for my coffee table.

Seoulstriker
12-11-2003, 06:14 PM
I want some one to bring back Saddams head for my coffee table.

heh. saddam memorabilia is fine. souveniers are fine. just not private property, weapons, or organic material. ;)

California Joe
12-11-2003, 06:30 PM
I want his wood chipper.

Fioraon
12-11-2003, 06:42 PM
how is that not PC? they are stealing from saddam not from the iraqis

Think about this. Who did Saddam steal from?

Ichhabe
12-11-2003, 07:02 PM
If it shines: Nick it!!!

If it is to heavy to carry, get a truck.

As California Joe said: To the victors, go the spoils.

And it is not stealing. It is relocating the item. So!

Roger Rabbit
12-11-2003, 07:03 PM
If it moves shoot it

if it doesnt move steal it

If you cant steal it then paint it

if you can't paint it then leave it alone

Pille1234
12-11-2003, 07:15 PM
To the victors go the spoils. Who wouldn't want a cool ass trophy.

Ya, why not? Liberating people costs money. Why not let the iraqi people pay for their liberation? Good service deserves good money, doesn't it? :slap:

The Walrus
12-12-2003, 12:06 PM
I remember Britain bought back a T-55 as a 'trophy', nice...
And on a mildly related note of foreign novelty objects, believe it or not, but my great-aunt once had a pocket watch that belonged to Tsar Nicholas II, it had his name engraved on it too. It now rests as the main attraction in the Tallinn museum for all to see, the only museum in Estonia ;)

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-12-2003, 04:33 PM
Well personally if the Iraqi people can rape n pillage the whole scene for like 2 weeks I dont see the reason why not the boys should be able to bring home what they want (of course within reason). Personally Id like a couple bags full of the old Iraq currency, it would be good for playing games of black jack with.

martinexsquaddie
12-12-2003, 05:10 PM
personally my brother is sick of kids trying to flogg him iraqi money or bayonets he does'nt want a single reminder of the bloody country :lol: