Who Thinks Apollo 11 Was Faked

[Seraphim]

Was just curious who thought the first man on the moon was faked or real.

IMHO I believe it was real.

[Argyll]

Was the guy who took the images not the 1st man on the moon?

[Salty Dog]

i think it was real, but people always say, "the flag was waving, it can't wave in space", it wasn't waving. i don't even know how you could tell if it was anyway, i mean the video quality of it wasn't that great, but it was a long time ago, so i am not sure why it would be great video quality.

[Zach R.]

This is a really stupid question. Of course it was real. And if the flag was waving, it was probably something like solar wind or.........something. But I used to really enjoy researching space flights and stuff. And I've seen the video of the first moon walk, about 50 times. The flag doesn't "wave". But that would be pretty cool.

[Salty Dog]

exactly.

[ivandebono]

I hope you were joking when you said that bit about solar wind.....That's no wind at all, but a flux of high-energy protons. Anyway, if Apollo 11 was faked, then the earth is flat.

[Zach R.]

No ivan, i was just making up senseless nothingness trying to make an argument. God, what country are you from? rofl

[Gringo]

Those people in Calafornia better be careful not to all of the edge and into space, aswell as avoiding fires and earthqaukes.

[Andyman]

Also there is no video of the first man on the moon. The person who is being filmed is Buzz Aldrin and the cameraman is Neil Armstrong. Therefore as Buzz Aldrin walked out of the spacecraft Neil said "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind". That was the trade off for Buzz, he wouldnt be the first man on but he would be the one shown to be getting off the spacecraft as Neil filmed him. :cantbeli:

[Seraphim]

Also there is no video of the first man on the moon. The person who is being filmed is Buzz Aldrin and the cameraman is Neil Armstrong. Therefore as Buzz Aldrin walked out of the spacecraft Neil said "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind". That was the trade off for Buzz, he wouldnt be the first man on but he would be the one shown to be getting off the spacecraft as Neil filmed him. :cantbeli:

Uhm wrong...Buzz was the pilot, he fought hard to be the first man on the moon. There was simply no way for the pilot to step out first. From now on it is tradition for the pilot to step out first. The camera was mounted on a swing arm which they activated to film Neil stepping down the ladder.

[Seraphim]

About the flag waving, on some apollo missions you can see the flag "waving" but it waves because of the vibration of putting the flag staff into the ground.

[Seoulstriker]

I hope you were joking when you said that bit about solar wind.....That's no wind at all, but a flux of high-energy protons.

:D :D :D

[Argyll]

I doubt very much that in zero gravity and given the technology that was available that it would pick up such a small vibration!!

I've been interested in this for a few years now ever since I read an article that it was all faked,but to tell you the truth thare are plenty of arguments for both,and right now I'm convinced of neither,of course ,no disrespect here guys but the US members will all say it was REAL and the other Internationalist's will say bolox!

There are plenty of arguments for it being faked
1.No debris field/crater under the module when she was firing the rockets to slow her descent
2.Footprints clearly seen,which would suggest some sort of topcovering/Dust/soil,which again would envelop the craft as the rocket blasts would disturb the suface material,no pictures of that,it was never mentioned,that they would have to wait until the dust cloud disappeared,as far as I remember
3 The fact that the module itselg wighed some 30 tons yet did not embed itself into the same dust,unlike the 260lb astronaut who's footprints were clearly seen!

A definately fascinating subject that will always have doubt cast upon it,yet depite todays advanced technology the resistance to return has been odd,as to why not?

[ChuckThunder]

Was the guy who took the images not the 1st man on the moon?

The video of Neil Armstrong going down the ladder to take his first steps is from a camera attached to one of Apollo 11's legs.

[Vance]

Guys - the flag wasn't waving. They took it out of a box or a tube, an since there is nothing to straighten the flag out, the crumples on the flag stay as they are. Hence, this is why onn still pictures it looks like the flag is waving.

[Seraphim]

Well when your putting something in the ground, theres going to be movement right?

The modules rockets stopped several feet before it hit the surface.
You can see dust hit the camera and even the astronaughts said that dust is flying up.

2. It was several hours after they landed that they actually stepped outside.

3. I never saw footage of the landing gear/legs of the module on the moon, they were busy filming other stuff instead of the landing gear and how it went into the ground.

[Seraphim]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1004020.asp?vts=121220031404


Global space rush targets the moon
Europe, China, Japan, India (and NASA?) plan lunar missions

Dec. 11 — NASA may be left in the lunar dust as other nations launch their own moon plans. There is growing moon fever in China, Japan, India and Europe as lunar orbiters and robot lander missions are plotted out. The global attraction to the moon is stirring up the prospect that expeditions from various countries are keen to plant flag and footprint on the barren and foreboding world.

THERE ARE RUMBLINGS that a new vision for NASA is in the making at the White House, one that embraces a human return to the moon as a steppingstone to eventually dispatch a crew to Mars. How a souped-up Apollolike replay from the 1960s is greeted by the U.S. Congress and in the minds of American taxpayers remains to be seen.
At the moment, under the rubric of NASA’s New Frontiers class of spacecraft missions, the United States is now thinking about a robotic lunar “grab, stash and dash” sample return mission to the South Pole-Aitken Basin. If given a go-ahead, that American probe would head moonward in the 2009-2010 time frame.
But the United States will be far from alone in chalking up lunar mileage. Over the next decade, the moon will act as a magnet, tugging on the talents of lunar explorers from multiple space agencies.

EARTHRISE FROM THE MOON
The international character of 21st-century lunar exploration was in evidence at a seminal meeting last month of the International Lunar Exploration Working Group, or ILEWG. Held Nov. 16-22 on the island of Hawaii, the gathering brought together experts from the major spacefaring powers around the globe, as well as other nations and private groups honing their space research skills.

“I think the moon is going to get interesting again, and if not crowded, at least noisy,” said Geoffrey Little, author of the forthcoming book “After Apollo: The Legacy of the Moon Landings.”
For example, Japan is now readying its Lunar-A spacecraft for launch in 2004. That craft is to hurl missilelike impactors down onto the moon’s near side and far side. These instrumented penetrators are equipped to study the size and composition of the moon’s inner makeup, Hitoshi Mizutani, Lunar-A project manager of the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, reported at last month’s ILEWG meeting.
Japan’s Selenological and Engineering Explorer, or SELENE, is also being prepped for a 2005 liftoff. It is billed by JAXA as the largest lunar mission since the Apollo program, hauling into moon orbit a bevy of experiments to catalog lunar minerals for eventual resource utilization. Selene will carry high-definition television equipment to view Earthrise from the moon for public outreach education purposes.
A SELENE-B mission is on the books too for the 2009-2010 time frame, involving a lunar rover, telescope and ground-based network of scientific devices.
Then there is India’s Chandrayaan-1, on tap for flight to the moon in 2008. It would inspect the lunar landscape from pole to pole for a projected two years. Indian space officials are also discussing follow-on plans for landing robots on the moon.

CHINA’S THREE-STAGE PROGRAM



The building of China’s first moon-exploration satellite — the Chang’e 1 — appears on schedule.
During a phone hook-up between China and the ILEWG meeting, Ou’yang Ziyuan, an academician with the Chinese Academy of Sciences and China’s chief scientist on lunar projects, detailed a three-phase effort spanning the years 2006 through 2015. That multipart agenda consists of orbiting around, landing on, and then rocketing back to Earth samples from the moon.
China’s first lunar mission is to occur around 2006, Ou’yang said. As for a human mission to the moon, the Chinese scientist stated “at least 15 or 20 years after” the third phase of robotic exploration, he told the ILEWG.
Ou’yang said, at present, China does not have any plans to rocket a person to the Moon. However, Luan Enjie, administrator of the China National Space Administration, has suggested a 2020 target date for Chinese taikonauts to set foot on the moon, according to a recent report on China State Television.

SMART-1 SUFFERS ‘FLAME-OUTS’
Europe is already en route to the moon — although not taking the express lane.
SMART-1 was launched Sept. 27 by the European Space Agency. It is to enter lunar orbit following 15 months of cruise through space. Loaded down with an array of technology, SMART-1 is being nudged outward by ion engine.
That propulsion unit, however, has experienced several “flame-outs.” Ground controllers have been busily working on solutions to solve SMART-1’s engine on/off problems.
Once in orbit around the moon, SMART-1’s array of instruments includes an infrared spectrometer. That device can look for the infrared signature of purported water ice and perhaps of frozen carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. By definition, no direct light falls in the darkened craters thought to contain water ice. However, rays from nearby crater rims, catching the sunshine, may light the ice sufficiently for the infrared spectrometer to detect it, once data from many passes has been collected.
As currently envisaged, one of the main milestones of the ESA Aurora program is a possible human mission to the moon in 2020-2025. “If space is an ocean, then the moon is our nearest island,” notes ESA’s Franco Ongaro, who heads the Aurora effort.

WATERED-DOWN MESSAGE


The issue of cold caches of water ice at the moon’s lunar poles remains a hotly debated topic.
Such a resource, if stashed away in darkened craters that never see warming rays of sunlight, would be heralded as lunar treasure. Both the Pentagon’s Clementine spacecraft and NASA’s Lunar Prospector yielded data suggestive to some scientists that deposits of water ice are resident at the moon’s poles. If so, that material could be changed into propellant, oxygen, and water to help sustain a human expedition on the moon.
Interpretation of the Lunar Prospector and Clementine measurements, however, continues to stir up more argument than agreement.
As to actual verification of lunar water ice, there is a straightforward answer, said Wendell Mendell, manager of the Office for Human Exploration Science at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston. Landing a spacecraft to verify that water is indeed present should be on the agenda, he said.
“The issue of what’s at the lunar poles and what its physical state is … that’s critical to long-term, permanent presence on the moon,” observes Paul Spudis, a senior scientist at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md. “We need to know the answer, one way or the other,” he told Space.com.
Another way to resolve the water ice matter, Spudis suggested, is a lunar orbiter equipped with powerful radar. That equipment could peer down into dark craters and assess the situation, he said.

TERRITORY OF STRATEGIC VALUE
“The November ILEWG meeting showed that the moon is now considered a prime objective for future space exploration. The long post-Apollo hiatus is over,” said Paul Lowman, a scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.
“Although I would not call this a ‘race to the moon,’ the fact is that Europe, Japan, India and China have formal commitments to lunar missions,” Lowman said. He added that attention has become firmly focused on the moon’s south polar region as an objective.
“The now-confirmed discovery of large hydrogen deposits in the polar regions has changed the moon from a scientifically interesting body to territory of strategic value, comparable to the Persian Gulf oil fields,” Lowman said.
Douglas O’Handley, faculty member in the physics department of Santa Clara University in California, said that a general feeling stemming from ILEWG was that no one saw the moon competing with Mars. “But there was clear unanimity that the moon comes before Mars,” he added.
“In general, there was a gloom about America’s leadership or even treading water. Between the Japanese penetrator and the SELENE missions, it is clear they are headed to the moon. The same thing is true of the Chinese,” O’Handley said. He is a former NASA manager once involved in shaping the space agency’s long-term human space exploration goals.

POLITICAL TIDE
At the recent ILEWG program, a few observers flagged a clear problem — one that’s part identity crisis, part political tide of the Moon.
“My main impression is that everyone is going to the moon and everyone is doing the same thing,” said APL’s Paul Spudis.


One critical piece of hardware that nobody seems willing to fly moonward is imaging radar. “It’s an obvious experiment with all the debate about the ice at the poles,” he said.
Getting detailed information about the polar deposits, not just from lunar orbit, but also utilizing on-the-spot looks by moon landers, is a must, Spudis said. “This is a key thing we don’t know. Somebody ought to do it.”
In the grand scheme of things, Spudis added, it would be useful if the new spate of moon missions gathered new kinds of data rather than repeating orbital measurements already done or being planned. Moreover, coordination between nations regarding data exchanges, as well as use of common formats of information collected, is desirable.
But as one lunar exploration expert told Space.com : “The missions are designed around political considerations rather than science from the ground up.”

Special thanks to Geoffrey Little for sharing his observations of the ILEWG meeting.

[OzMan]

This is ridiculous. I watched a two-part video series of all the evidence brought against the moon landings in my astronomy class, and we were all laughing too hard to watch the whole thing. THE GODDAM FLAG WASNT WAVING. Those moonsuits were not designed for dexterity, and trying to jam a flag into that ground with that suit is no easy task. It appears to be waving because he's jiggling the life out of the thing trying to plant it. Like any flag, it isn't one solid piece of pole and flag, they're seperate. Thus, remembering the concept of inertia, one of Newton's Laws of Physics, and a little common sense, When he pushes the pole around, the flag follows. The flag stays spread because of a horizontal rod across the top of it.

And if you look at any of NASA's blueprints for the Lunar Excursion Module (LEM), there is a handle the astronaut pulls next to the "porch" to lower the side-mounted camera. The camera is controlled by a lowly technician in Houston, with a 7 second delay.

Also, analyzation of the rocks brought back found traces of compounds and particles that are impossible to recreate back on earth due to gravity and the physical atmoshpere. The combination of elements found in those rocks means that those rocks must have followed a different life path than that of the earth, just like the concept of human-looking aliens anywhere else in the universe is completely unlikely. This is because of the concept of evolution, meaning that the current "model" of the human being is a constantly improving and adapting system, which reacts to the changes in its environment. To find a race looking and behaving like our own would mean that somewhere in space, another planet would have to be positioned the same distance from a star, be comprised of the same basic elements, be the same size, and follow the EXACT life pattern as our earth, keeping in mind major impacts such as meteors. All of the events on this supposed planet would have to happen at the EXACT same stage in life, and in the EXACT order.

Thus, I am right.

*out of breath, winded* Wow, where the hell did I go?

[Seraphim]

Right on brother.

[Argyll]

What makes us thing we're so god damned special?
Why are we the only predator who kills for the sake of it?
Where did it all go wrong in the cycle of evoloution?
Why do dogs sniff each others assholes?
Why is Micheal Jackson white?
Why are the Osmonds still on the go?

and who really gives a ****? ;)

[Kriz]

It was a triump of german technology, imagine where space flight would have been without Werner Von Braun

[Seiyuuki]

It was a triump of german technology, imagine where space flight would have been without Werner Von Braun

German know-how.

Werner von Braun's team of scientists from the Army's rocket laboratory in Huntsville, Alabama, designed a rocket called Jupiter-C that could have easily launched a satellite into orbit more than a year before the first Sputnit. Though due to political reasons, they did not receive permission from Eisenhower to proceed. They didn't get permission from Eisenhower to launched until after the launched of Sputnit 2.

Interesting fact about von Braun...when he was 13, straps 6 skyrockets to toy red wagon, wagon zoom 5 blocks into the center of town and exploded. He emerges from the smoke in the custody of the police.

Some of his notable quote:


We needed money for our experiments, and since the army [German's army] was willing to give us help, we didn't worry over much about the consequences in the distant future...we were interested in one thing, the exploration of space.


...It seemes that this is another demonstrations of the sad fact that so often new developments get nowhere until they are first applied as weapons


It behaved perfectly, but on the wrong planet

[mocking_loudly_died]

Whens Germany going to go for round three?

I'm sick to death of WW2 games, hurry up and reform your military for the sakes of future computer gamers.

[TRACER_BULLET]

Whens Germany going to go for round three?

I'm sick to death of WW2 games, hurry up and reform your military for the sakes of future computer gamers.

rofl rofl

[The Walrus]

I'm still in the skepitcal region as far as this is concerned.
There are definetaly some very suspicious things about it, the timing of the whole thing was extremely convenient for the US, the landing happened just days before the end of the decade, just in time to uphold JFK's promise of landing a man on the moon.
If the US hadn't landed then the Soviets would have jumped on it and claimed victory in the space race and gained ample political capital, so the political motivation was definetaly there.
Also, many of you are concerned with the superficial elements of this ie the flag waving, footprints etc, if it was faked they would have spent millions on it and would likely have not made such obvious flaws.

What concerns me most is with the practicality of the whole thing, outside the protection of earths magnetic field, the astronauts would be prey to radiation of immense intesity that would make going to Chernobyls central reactor seem like a walk in the park, unless the capsule was protected by a metre thick wall of lead the radiation would have just fried them straight, not to mention walking on the moon with no atmsophere in sunlight with only a thin space-suit to protect you from the radiation.

[Uncle Sam]

So, is anyone here from NASA? Or been to the Moon? Who knew then how stuff would react when leaving the planet for the first time, and landing on another one. Is anyone here an Astronaut? How about a Rocket Scientist? HMMM....

IT WAS REAL !!!!!

:backhand:

[ST4]

It was faked. And I dont believe a lot of people were concerened about space travel when soldier and civiliians were being killed everyday in Viet Nam.

[OzMan]

What makes you think it was faked?

[ibstolidude]

must have been airsofters

[NcDeuce]

4 people like to read the National Enquirer. rofl

[Argyll]

Eagle 1-1 wrote


What makes you think it was faked?


What makes you think it wasn't?

[OzMan]

:cantbeli:

[Argyll]

You're just making yourself look stupid mate with that smiley!
You ask a guy why he thought it was faked?
I asked you why you thought it wasn't?
You have proved it was neither as you have not provided any testament to it being proved a fake!
I'm not one for smileys but what the hell :bash:

[Deuterium]

Like all conspiracy theories it falls on it face when placed against the backdrop of the thousands of people needed to make this hoax work. Thousands of people can't keep their mouths shut, not in the Manhattan project, not in the Skunk Works, not in the Pentagon Papers. Whistle blowing is a fine American tradition and the absence of any credible evidence speaks volumes on this "theory".

[Haiw]

Although my take on the Apollo thing is 'I don't have any idea', I'd just wanna throw in my few cents as a reaction on Deuterium...

First of all, sometimes the US did manage, especially for example in aircraft research; both the B-2 and F-117 weren't really known about untill the Pentagon came out they had them. Now let's just say if they wanted to create a hoax here, did they really have to involve so much people? I don't think so... Just fake the entire trip, with the astronauts going into space allright, and let 'em orbit the earth, or the moon, or whatever, and make everything look 'real' for everyone. Now what would they then really need to make it look 'real'? Just some rocks, some sand or whatsoever, and the picture. Maybe you had to involve some control people, and of course the people making the hoax stuff and that's it. In theory it shouldn't be all that hard, as long as you try to make it a secret to the people at NASA (except the top brass of course) themselves...

Besides, weren't there any 'whistle-blowers' on this one that allegedly 'worked' in the whole hoax story?

[Ian H]

I've got a nice theory that balances things out and tries to satisfy everyone (probably won't, but sod it, here goes). The landings were real, but the film was faked. Feel free to ridicule this suggestion if you want.

[Tane Angle]

Getting back to the aliens looking like us thing, a species able to use simple tools like hammers and spears, much less able to build radios and rockets, pretty much requires opposable thumbs. I was reading a study a while back about how some researchers tried to use fake tentacles, claws, paws, wings, suction cup-like extremities, etc. to try to see if something other than opposable thumbs would work. No such luck apparently. So it's logical to think that any space-faring species we happen to find would have opposable thumbs, no?

There is a reason for the way we look. What's more, space-capable life would likely be able to develop only on terrestial planets of a size close to ours and of roughly the same distance from their star. Sensory organs, except for the skin, would likely be centered around a protruding head containing a brain. The vital organs would likely be protected in th center mass. Some form of movement would be necessary. Therefore, it is logical that other species would be "humanoid," though not human. That's not necessarily species-centricism so much as not being able to figure out any other way to build a radio, no? Anyways, have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Shadow]

This is a really stupid question. Of course it was real. And if the flag was waving, it was probably something like solar wind or.........something.

ROFL
No comment!

I think it was a fake.

[California Joe]

Like all conspiracy theories it falls on it face when placed against the backdrop of the thousands of people needed to make this hoax work. Thousands of people can't keep their mouths shut, not in the Manhattan project, not in the Skunk Works, not in the Pentagon Papers. Whistle blowing is a fine American tradition and the absence of any credible evidence speaks volumes on this "theory".

Thank you Top. I work for the DoD and I know all kinds of people that would blow the whistle on anything they didn't like. People are people and there's no way a massive conspiracy involving thousands could ever stand.

[Argyll]

Thats coz they aliens from Roswell cloned them all Joe ,c'mon you should know that

[California Joe]

Could be. Most of them are ugly enough.

If I was on the moon would my kilt blow up around my ears like Marilyn Monroe?

[Seraphim]

This is a really stupid question. Of course it was real. And if the flag was waving, it was probably something like solar wind or.........something.

ROFL
No comment!

I think it was a fake.

Why wont you tell us why you think its fake? So far the only people on the fake side who tried to back their opinions up is Argyll.

[Haiw]

Argyll isn't on the fake side...

[Argyll]

correct there Haiw,I'm in the middle and that does not mean I swing both ways Joe!!!!
I'm interested in the subject,and like I also said there are good arguments for Faked and Real.

I wonder what would happen if you spanked the monkey in space?

[Seoulstriker]

the only things faked are the orgasms of CJ's wife.

* cracks whip *

:P :P :P :P :P

[California Joe]

Oh sure, mention me in your kilt lifting fantasies. Bastard. ;)

[Haiw]

What...you didn't believe it was all real, did you? I mean *****stroker really has a point there you know.

[Seoulstriker]

What...you didn't believe it was all real, did you? I mean *****stroker really has a point there you know.

no wonder CJ isn't getting any action anymore. ;)

[Haiw]

I guess no one is blowing the whistle on his hoax anymore... ;)

[The Walrus]

Why wont you tell us why you think its fake? So far the only people on the fake side who tried to back their opinions up is Argyll.

Hey! I'm still stupered as to how astronauts protected only by a layered space-suit and helmet not be affected by radiation when fully exposed on a small moon with no protective atmosphere?[/quote]

[Deuterium]

Why wont you tell us why you think its fake? So far the only people on the fake side who tried to back their opinions up is Argyll.

Hey! I'm still stupered as to how astronauts protected only by a layered space-suit and helmet not be affected by radiation when fully exposed on a small moon with no protective atmosphere?[/quote]

Then I suggest you go down to your local community college and take a BASIC course Physics.

[Apogee]

Hey Walrus,
Isn't there an entire society at Cambridge or one of the big universities in England, thats devoted to the idea that we've never left the Earth. Much less been to the moon?

My physics teacher in high school told me that, so who knows if its true or not.

Thanks bro.

[Tane Angle]

Scuba, I know my biology teacher in high school tried telling everyone that the Earth was flat. Might just be thought HS science teachers messing with our heads. :D Have a good one, buddy.

[Apogee]

Scuba, I know my biology teacher in high school tried telling everyone that the Earth was flat. Might just be thought HS science teachers messing with our heads. :D Have a good one, buddy.

Or that you went to High School back in the middle ages. Just kidding Tane. That might be the case too.

[Tane Angle]

rofl I knew that one was coming! rofl

[Haiw]

rofl
When Tane Angle was in HS the grass was still in black & white :)

[Ballistic]

No two ways about it. It was real. ;) And it will hopefully happen again in good time.... the Moon or Mars. :)

[hoganshero]

www.badastronomy.com

[NcDeuce]

http://www.msss.com/moon/moon.gif

It's fake, dammit! rofl

[Haiw]

http://www.manzonderkop.be/Post/?P_ID=2239
Just found that movie, it's hillarious! :lol:

[Salty Dog]

correct there Haiw,I'm in the middle and that does not mean I swing both ways Joe!!!!
I'm interested in the subject,and like I also said there are good arguments for Faked and Real.

I wonder what would happen if you spanked the monkey in space?

whoa, that would be crazy.....i'm gonna become an astronaut and in 10 years i will come back and tell you.

[Flagg]

Think about it......

billions spent

tens of thousands worked on the Apollo program.....hell, I had a Physics professor who led the effort in designing the flight control system on the main engines

millions of people would know pers who worked on the program.....many of whom would be in a position to determine authenticity......

If it WERE faked...that means tens of thousands of pers working on the program would be in on the dirty little secret......and NOT ONE has "spilled the beans" after almost 35 years

common sense...it happened.......go back to finding a more credible conspiracy theory

[Ratamacue]

My dad knew a guy that helped design and build the lander for Apollo 11.

[Jack Mehoff]

Envy is part of human nature and foreigners couldn't stand an American's triumph.

I mean, how could they possibly cover up a project involved thousand of people for that long?

[EvanL]

Envy is part of human nature and foreigners couldn't stand an American's triumph.

I mean, how could they possibly cover up a project involved thousand of people for that long?
Is the only things you think of how everybody is jealous of America?
Geez and i thought Vance was immature.

[Salty Dog]

Envy is part of human nature and foreigners couldn't stand an American's triumph.

I mean, how could they possibly cover up a project involved thousand of people for that long?
Is the only things you think of how everybody is jealous of America?
Geez and i thought Vance was immature.

i'm immature. but it wasn't faked.

[Jack Mehoff]

Envy is part of human nature and foreigners couldn't stand an American's triumph.

I mean, how could they possibly cover up a project involved thousand of people for that long?
Is the only things you think of how everybody is jealous of America?
Geez and i thought Vance was immature.

Yeah, that's why Apollo is fake :roll: Sometime envious people can't admit their stupidity

[Jack Mehoff]

Oh yeah, NASA successfully landed on Mars is fake too

[EvanL]

Envy is part of human nature and foreigners couldn't stand an American's triumph.

I mean, how could they possibly cover up a project involved thousand of people for that long?
Is the only things you think of how everybody is jealous of America?
Geez and i thought Vance was immature.

Yeah, that's why Apollo is fake :roll: Sometime envious people can't admit their stupidity
Okay man well anyone that thinks its fake is just retarded but to say they think its fake because they are jealous the yanks did it is just as retarded.

[Jack Mehoff]

Like i said, envy is just part of human nature and i totally understand that.