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uri
12-13-2003, 03:04 PM
video from *******:
http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?p=news&l=SAM&a=0,30&provider=*******av&.test=1&f=31042383&lid=rnv-56-s.5465369,rnv-100-s.5465370,rnv-300-s.5465371,wmv-56-s.5465372,wmv-100-s.5465373,wmv-300-s.5465374,&t=Top%20Stories%20AudioVideo%20%2d%20*******%20%2d%20New%20Gun%20Shoots%20Around%20Corners&bw=http%25253A%25252F%25252Fstory.news.yahoo.com%25252Fnews%25253Ftmpl%25253Dindex2%252526cid%25253D1057&dw=http%253A%252F%252Fstory.news.yahoo.com%252Fnews%253Ftmpl%253Dstory2%2526u%253D%252F*******av%252F20031119%252Fav_nm_nw%252Fe5d1acf7fdd03295bb7b2b78d44e3f04
press the link to see the video.

http://uri.staff.fresh.co.il/army/mf/corners1.jpg

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http://uri.staff.fresh.co.il/army/mf/corners4.jpg

company site: www.helopoint.co.il

Frens
12-13-2003, 03:10 PM
I know that German already studied a rifle who can fire around corners during WW2, but I don't remember the name of the rifle

Javehn
12-13-2003, 03:13 PM
I think this one have been shown in here several times .

Seoulstriker
12-13-2003, 03:16 PM
I think this one have been shown in here several times .

indeed. :|

Salty Dog
12-13-2003, 03:18 PM
I know that German already studied a rifle who can fire around corners during WW2, but I don't remember the name of the rifle

i think the mp-44 assault rifle could have another barrel fitted on it to shoot around corners during WWII.

uri
12-13-2003, 03:20 PM
I think this one have been shown in here several times .

indeed. :|

sorry mates, instead of the Israeli one - take a Russian one!
:)

http://www.sinopa.ee/sor/bo001/bo10sn/bo10sn01/sn018401.jpg

http://www.sinopa.ee/sor/bo001/bo10sn/bo10sn01/sn018402.jpg

HumanShield
12-13-2003, 03:37 PM
Its just a glock that has been extended with a second trigger unit

Javehn
12-13-2003, 04:20 PM
Glock ?
It's RPK with special curve barrel .
weight : 12.8 kg .
Lenght - 1270 mm
Bullet : 7.62*39 mm.
It's supposed to use in tranches with special addaptor that can turn 360 .
This one is old ! Sence ww2

Ratamacue
12-13-2003, 04:26 PM
He's talking about the Israeli weapon. It's just a glock with a second trigger unit and a camera to see around corners.

ST4
12-13-2003, 04:38 PM
That is one damn strange looking gun.

Seoulstriker
12-13-2003, 04:39 PM
I think this one have been shown in here several times .

indeed. :|

sorry mates, instead of the Israeli one - take a Russian one!
:)

http://www.sinopa.ee/sor/bo001/bo10sn/bo10sn01/sn018401.jpg

http://www.sinopa.ee/sor/bo001/bo10sn/bo10sn01/sn018402.jpg

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REMOV
12-13-2003, 04:44 PM
I know that German already studied a rifle who can fire around corners during WW2, but I don't remember the name of the rifleIt was an additional barrel attachment called Krummlauf used in fortifications and vehicles.

http://www.battlefront.com/resources/museums/mus_iwm/_iwm_images/weapons/iwm_wep04.jpg
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/Sturmgewehre/Krummlauf-1.jpg

uri
12-13-2003, 05:47 PM
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well...

it's an Kalachnikov, 7.62 mm, made for tank crues, making them able to cover "dead area" with fire. But the tanks personel didn't liked it, so the russians stopped the development.

He219
12-13-2003, 06:51 PM
The AK wasn't around during WWII, but the Maschinenpistole 44 mit Krummlauf was....

http://users.bigpond.net.au/feckless/files/germany/krummlauf.jpg

Video and LCD technology make the Florida-based Cornershot Holdings (http://www.cornershot.com/) design very practical for the Israeli military.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031028/capt.jrl80410282057.mideast_israel_us_laser_weapon_jrl804.jpg

NcDeuce
12-13-2003, 07:02 PM
We need devices that will let us see around the corner before we have weapons to shoot around the corner. :lol:

IDFM203
12-15-2003, 02:19 PM
Just found a nice article today about this weapon.......

With new Israeli gun, revolution in urban warfare is around the corner

TEL AVIV (AFP) - A new weapons system was unveiled in Israel which enables armed forces to fire guns around corners and could revolutionize urban warfare around the world


The patented "Corner Shot" provides protection to the soldier by enabling him to shoot down a street, through a window or a door frame with maximum accuracy while keeping out of the line of fire.


The system consists of a rod and a mobile end section which can be adjusted with any type of combat handgun and includes a camera allowing the soldier to scan the targeted area and aim while maintaining cover.


Russian soldiers during the bloody World War II siege of Stalingrad first had the idea of bending the barrels of their rifles to shoot around corners and their Nazi opponents developed a purpose-built attachment fitted with a periscope which they called the krummerlauf.


The Israeli-US developed Corner Shot is the latest improvement on a series of devices invented over the past two decades by the FBI (news - web sites) and the French army which left at least the combatant's hand exposed.


"This system was put on the market three months ago and we have already sold it to 15 countries," said Amos Golan, a retired lieutenant colonel who served in Israeli anti-terror units and invented the Corner Shot.


The device costs between three and five thousand dollars and has been sold to the US, Russian and several European armies, said Golan, also joint CEO of Corner Shot holdings.


"I believe that the Corner Shot weapon system can be extremely beneficial in the global war on terror," Golan said Monday.


"It protects soldiers' lives and increases their chances of survival, while drastically improving their ability to gather information and transmit the combat scenario as well as pinpoint and engage targets out of their line of sight."


During a media presentation which included a drill of an assault by an elite unit on a building where "terrorists" were holed up, Golan said the device was already being used on the ground but refused to say where.


The Israeli army -- which carries out daily house-to-house searches in its crackdown on Palestinian militants in the occupied territories -- is said to be considering the use of the Corner Shot device.


Its shooting range is said to accurate to 100 metres (yards) with a 9mm handgun and effective to 200 metres with a 5.7 mm rifle.


The company is based in Florida but the system is currently manufactured in Israel and can be fitted with a variety of cameras, lasers and flashlights suited to close combat.


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20031215/capt.sge.osu21.151203174318.photo00.default-263x384.jpg



A new weapons system was unveiled in Israel which enables armed forces to fire guns around corners and looks set to revolutionize urban warfare around the world.(AFP/Yoav Lemmer
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031215/i/r291568715.jpg
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031215/i/r3920112854.jpg

An Israeli man demonstrate the Corner Shot, a flexible, rifle-like pistol that allows an individual to fire safely around corners, as it was formally presented at a shooting range in Shoam, December 15, 2003. *******/Nir Elias

shalom :D

IDFM203
12-15-2003, 04:47 PM
Just a few more pics that were released today.............


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031215/capt.jrl11012151904.mideast_israel_corner_rifle_jrl110.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031215/capt.jrl11212151907.mideast_israel_corner_rifle_jrl112.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031215/capt.jrl11312151911.mideast_israel_corner_rifle_jrl113.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031215/capt.jrl11112151913.mideast_israel_corner_rifle_jrl111.jpg

Israelis, dressed as ' Special police' and holding firing mechanisms, fitted with a pistol that sits over a color mini-camera with zoom, located at the front end and the back section which consists of the stock, trigger and a monitor, that allows the shooter to fire at his target from around the corner, operate during a shooting session in a fire range in the central Israeli town of Shoham, Monday Dec. 15, 2003. The system developed by the U.S.-Israeli company Corner Shot is beeing tested by armies from15 countries and Israeli combat units and forces will begin using the device next week, a former deputy commander of Israel's anti-terror unit and founder of the company said. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

Shalom :D

ZDL
12-15-2003, 05:09 PM
won´t the recoil make it difficult to fire several placed shots in a row?

i mean, the whole apparatus will move sideways as the recoil does not run straight into the shooters shoulder.

IDFM203
12-24-2003, 03:24 AM
Here is an extensive review on this weapon and some nice pics (well thier Brochures) as well :D


by David Crane
Man, this is a cool product. I recently got the opportunity to handle it and see it demonstrated at SWAT Round-Up 2003 in Orlando, Florida, and came away from that session extremely impressed.

The Corner Shot was designed to allow military Spec-Ops/Counterterrism and LE SWAT personnel to be able to see and shoot around corners without exposing themselves to deadly return gunfire from the badguys. That's basically the whole concept--see and shoot the badguys before they can see and shoot you. The Corner Shot accomplishes this by...

turning your pistol into a pistol-caliber (very) short-barrelled rifle with a swivelling front section. In other word's, this short-barrelled rifle's got an omi-directional barrel.

Located directly under the swing-out/flip-out video monitor is a lever that operates in swinging fashion just like the lever on a BB gun. However, unlike a BB gun, instead of acting as a pump, the Corner Shot's lever allows the operator to very quickly swivel the pistol in either direction, depending on the direction of the corner and hostile threat, and then turn it back again just as quickly. Asaf Nadel, Corner Shot Holdings L.L.C.'s president and resident demonstrator at their booth, was able to accomplish this action very quickly. That said, the Corner Shot does require some practice for the operator to get the hang of this procedure to the point that this operation becomes second nature and as fast as possible.

The front of the Corner Shot is designed as a swivel-mount for modern semi-auto pistols like Glocks, SIG's, HK USP/P2000's, etc. A camera lens is attached to the front of the swivelling pistol mount, and a white light is mounted underneath the camera. Mounted on the left side of the "receiver" is a flip-out/swing-out camcorder-style video monitor--only the Corner Shot's video monitor features a sighting reticle and is heavily reinforced for hard use, just like the rest of the unit. Control buttons located close to the video monitor allow the operator to turn the camera and monitor on and off and perhaps do a couple more things of which DefRev isn't yet aware.

Here's how an operator employs the Corner Shot (Assuming the the Corner Shot is shouldered and in the neutral position, with the pistol pointed straight ahead): First, flip the manual safety lever down and off. This lever is located directly above the 1911-style trigger. Flip the video monitor w/reticle out and turn it and the camera on (using one of those control buttons). If you're fighting at night, a second button allows you to turn on the front-mounted white light. Now you're ready to go.

So, let's say the hostile threat/terrorist/badguy is around the corner to your right. All you do now is use the undermounted "cocking" lever to release and swivel the pistol mount section to the right by swinging the lever out to the left. You then swing the lever back up and to the right, and lock it back up underneath the Corner Shot "receiver". This locks the pistol mount section in the right-pointing direction. Now all you do is move the gun past that right corner while you keep your eyes on the video monitor for the badguy. When you see the badguy, just "lock him up" by putting the center of the reticle on the spot you want to hit, and pull the trigger. One could say the Corner Shot gives a whole new meaning to the idea of "shooting video". Anyway, once you've taken the shot(s), use the monitor to observe the effects on the target. Repeat as necessary. It's really that simple.

If you have a hostile subject/terrorist/badguy around the leftside corner, just perform the procedure in opposite to that described above by pulling down and swinging the "cocking/pump" lever to the right and back, and locking the gun in the left-pointing direction.

While the whole pistol-swivelling operation/procedure might seem somewhat slow and involved to someone who's never seen it performed, it's actually quite the opposite. A skilled/experienced operator can accomplish this operation in one very fast, fluid motion.

It's important to note at this point that just because an operator gets a visual/sighting lock on a BG (badguy), it doesn't necessarily follow that he need to pull the trigger on the subject, especially in an LE SWAT scenario. In this situation, the Corner Shot can be used to simply monitor the hostile subject/hostage taker from a relatively safe position. Spec-Ops/Counterterror operations are an altogether different story. Target neutralization/liquidation is often the goal of this type of endeavor. In this case, the Corner Shot will allow for a very fast and accurate shot from cover.

The Corner Shot features a short 1913 Picatinny rail for mounting optical gunsights just in case you have to shoot straight ahead or while you're out in the open. The optical gunsights DefRev recommends are the EOTech 552 HDS (Holographic Diffraction Sight) (or EOTech 551 HDS) and the Aimpoint CompM2 red-dot sight. The Corner Shot also features a Galil-style side-folding buttstock, and has a little weight to it (not too much), which inspires confidence and really makes the unit feal like sort of a blocky rifle in your hands. DefRev will try to get the exact specs on the weight of the CornerShot. The Corner Shot appears to be made of high quality high-impact polymer, and appears to be (and feels) extremely sturdy and durable.

DefRev shot video of Asaf Nadel demonstrating the Corner Shot at SWAT Round-Up 2003, and we'll try to get that video up on our site as soon as possible. We'll also try to get Corner Shot's brochure up on DefRev quickly.

Organizations or individuals interested in inquiring about or purchasing the Corner Shot should contact Asaf Nadel by phone at 305-442-6322, or via email at usa@cornershot.com for more info, pricing, and availability. DefRev just has one word of caution for you: Beware the sticker shock you're likely to experience when you ask Asaf about the price of this thing, and he answers you. Actually, I'll spare you the experience--if I remember correctly, Asaf told me the CornerShot costs somewhere between $7,000 and $7,500 (I don't remember the exact amount). Yikes! I remember, when he first told me how much it was, I was like "Whoah...That's no joke." Let's just say the Corner Shot is most likely a good bit outside the financial range of most small U.S. police departments and private citizens (not that it was designed for that demographic).

High price or not, I really like this thing. The Corner Shot is one of the coolest and most interesting tactical tools I've seen in awhile. I must say I'm not surprised that it was a group of Israeli's that came up with it and developed it. After all, the Israeli's have more experience with terrorists/terrorism and urban warfare than most other peoples, and their very survival depends on being able to develop creative and innovative solutions to the serious combat challenges they face on a daily basis.

One final note: I believe it would be better to make Corner Shot all one word, like this: "CornerShot". From a marketing perspective, "CornerShot" just looks cooler to me on the page. This is how I was typing it before I noticed that the company writes it as "Corner Shot" in their brochure. Maybe I'm wrong in this opinion, but I don't think so.

http://defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=385

http://defensereview.com/11_22_2003/CornerShotBrochure_Front_small.jpg
http://defensereview.com/11_22_2003/CornerShotBrochure_Inside1_small.jpg
http://defensereview.com/11_22_2003/CornerShotBrochure_Inside2_small.jpg
http://defensereview.com/11_22_2003/CornerShotBrochure_Back_small.jpg

Shalom :D

AirZone
12-24-2003, 10:34 AM
first time i see israeli operators that look like real SWAT guys... those are yama ?

Javehn
12-24-2003, 10:49 AM
They are just dressed up for the demonstration

Durandal
12-24-2003, 05:30 PM
NPR just did a interview with Helopoint a couple days in regards to the CornerShot.