Swedish weapons...

[The Omen]

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_finkalvapen.jpg

[Eddie]

Swedish???
Looks more to me like American, Belgium, British and Belgium (the last one made in Sweden though).

Nice picture BTW.

[Frens]

what's the name of the assault rifle?

[Mark Sman]

FNC I think

[Eddie]

AK-5 made by Bofors, lisence-built FN FNC.

[oldsoak]

well, we've got the first three - wish we had the last one although the SA80 is getting better in its A2 version.

[Deicide]

what's the name of the assault rifle?

AK5B : http://world.guns.ru/assault/as35-e.htm

[Swed]

The last one is a AK5B
it got a SUSAT 4x Optic scope.

[Ayura]

nice nice nice

Also, what does it mean by when it says 4x zoom or 10x zoom?

[George W. Bush]

the 'times' an image is magnified so 10x would magnify what you are seeing 10 times

[elguapo]

RBS 56 BILL

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/BRASIL61.jpg


anyone got BILL pics in action?

[mustamato]

Personally i prefer an ordinary AK5 with open sights, IR-laser and goggles. However those that makes the decisions has come to the conclusion that open sights are obsolete, the next version of AK5 (see the picture below) that is being tested now, and that will be adopted in the swedish defence forces lacks them completely :bash:

http://www.sak-fv.org/Notisbilder/Ak5cF.jpg

[DE_Six]

"ALTER POST FULMINA TERROR"

11eme RAMa? Cool sig.

[MANSUR]

Can anyone tell me wat the name is of the green sniperrifle??

[MolliG]

Can anyone tell me wat the name is of the green sniperrifle??

PSG 90, aka Accuracy International AW (7.62mm NATO).

[mustamato]

"ALTER POST FULMINA TERROR"

11eme RAMa? Cool sig.

http://www.sak-fv.org/Notisbilder/Ak5cF.jpg

Do you mean this? It´s not a SIG. It is a swedish AK5C, it will be issued as the standard rifle of the swedish defence forces sometime not that far away in the future. The old AK5´s will be rebuilt to C-version. Painted black instead of green by some strange reason, plastic magazines instead of steel, no open sights, a new Aimpoint, and a folding stock that the can be adjusted to short/long depending how you want it. The forward grip can be removed if the user doesn´t want it.

[M203]

ak5d, short ak5
http://home.vxu.se/dgrsv01/bilder/ak5d.jpg

http://www.inordic.se/test/testing1.jpg

[Deicide]

"ALTER POST FULMINA TERROR"

11eme RAMa? Cool sig.

No, 1st Marine Artillery Regiment (1er RAMa) but both share the same mofo.

[DE_Six]

I see.

To Mustamato: no, I meant cool signature.

[JunglistSoldier]

Personally i prefer an ordinary AK5 with open sights, IR-laser and goggles. However those that makes the decisions has come to the conclusion that open sights are obsolete, the next version of AK5 (see the picture below) that is being tested now, and that will be adopted in the swedish defence forces lacks them completely :bash:

http://www.sak-fv.org/Notisbilder/Ak5cF.jpg

So you want to run about with IR-goggles all day eh?

When it comes to the type of CQC that becomes more and more profilic in modern warfare, reflex sights have made open sights obsolete by far. When the engagement range gets longer however, most reflex sights (aimpoint specificly) are inapt, which makes me wonder who's the asswipe that decided to remove the iron sights from weapon system Ak4.

The new Ak5 system looks like hte next logical step in the evolution of said system, only thing wrong with it is it's colour. Black guns=not funky.

[mustamato]

Personally i prefer an ordinary AK5 with open sights, IR-laser and goggles. However those that makes the decisions has come to the conclusion that open sights are obsolete, the next version of AK5 (see the picture below) that is being tested now, and that will be adopted in the swedish defence forces lacks them completely :bash:

http://www.sak-fv.org/Notisbilder/Ak5cF.jpg

So you want to run about with IR-goggles all day eh?

When it comes to the type of CQC that becomes more and more profilic in modern warfare, reflex sights have made open sights obsolete by far. When the engagement range gets longer however, most reflex sights (aimpoint specificly) are inapt, which makes me wonder who's the asswipe that decided to remove the iron sights from weapon system Ak4.

The new Ak5 system looks like hte next logical step in the evolution of said system, only thing wrong with it is it's colour. Black guns=not funky.

The reason to why I prefer open sights over a Aimpoint even at close distances is that you can aim with (along) the weapon because the sights are so low on AK4/AK5, compared to the higher mount on the M16-series and so forth where this is not possible to the same extenth. With a Aimpoint you aim with your eyes and thus it will take a little more time to shoot. Yeah sure you´ll have better precision, but does that matter in close distances such as 50 meters and so? I think not. The laser doesn´t weigh anything on your gun and it is dark most of the time here anyway at this time of the year. Wisely used (such as indoors) a IR-laser is a wonderfull tool, if you just don´t have it on all the time and thus compromising your position.

[REMOV]

http://www.sak-fv.org/Notisbilder/Ak5cF.jpgIt is a swedish AK5C, it will be issued as the standard rifle of the swedish defence forces sometime not that far away in the future. The old AK5´s will be rebuilt to C-version. Hmm... I thought that Ak.5C is the model with 40mm M203 grenade launcher (Ak.5 Grts(Granattillsats)), but found a previous Ak.5C version:
http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/ak5c.jpg

Painted black instead of green by some strange reason, plastic magazines instead of steel, no open sights, a new Aimpoint, and a folding stock that the can be adjusted to short/long depending how you want it. The forward grip can be removed if the user doesn´t want it.Looks a little bit strange - do you have any larger (HiRes) photo?

[JunglistSoldier]

NO.

At "close" distancas such as 50 meters?

I assume that what you are refering to is the shooting procedure where you overlook the diopter and just ahoot with the front sight post? Just pointing hte gun in the general direction of whatever you wanna hit and shooting won't work - trust me. I've tried it, even at 15 meters it is ineffective. Shooting with a reflex sight is - with training - instantaneous. Sight picture is crystal once you have cheekweld and you can direct FAST, PRECISE, UNCOMPROMISING violence to whatever is covered by the red donut. Reflex sights also work's GREAT during darkness.

IR-laser while nice and bling-bling and all does require something like NOD's to be seen by you, and in most situations I won't be wearing NOD's while indoor..

Seeing as how you keep advocatings NOD's and IR's, Im guessing you served at AMF 1 with KJ?

[mustamato]

Remov, the ordinary AK5 is known as AK5, the one with a x4 scope AK5B. But as for the C-model. Some people (even officers) called it AK5C, although that was obviously not the official designation, the improved and rebuilt AK5 will be designated AK5C. The short version AK5D. As I understand it there will be something like 10.000 of them rebuilt. "Everyone" wants them and have all kinds of excuses of having them. But it is not too difficult to guess that they will be issued to 1.) Units considered high priority 2.) Those who really needs them such as tank crews. The police uses CGA5P that are rebuilt AK5´s. These are very similar to the AK5D´s.

http://www.plutonen.com/en01/misc/cga5p.jpg

CG5AP is by the way the primary arnament of the SBP, eeerh I think that translates to something like "the reserve police to be used when things are going really bad". A 1500 men strong force, their "squad leaders" are full time police officers, which in the picture below probably is the older police.

http://www.beredskapspolisen.org/bildgalleri_np2002/qdig-converted/med_np2002_17.jpg

Sorry, didn´t find any good pics of AK5C.

[mustamato]

JunglistSoldier. I don´t say that Aimpoints, Trijicons and stuff like that are bad, because they obviously aint. But shooting and hitting something with your both eyes open takes some training. Well it´s excellent if you have the opportunity to do that. But during my military service (no not in the navy) i was trained to use the open sights on AK5 and the optics on AK5B. Atleast for me the instinctive shooting goes faster when I´m using open sights at short distances. At longer distances I´m fine with the sights as they are supposed to be used. But that is probably becuase of my lack of experience using Aimpoints (I don´t think reflex sights are relevant in this discussion because the concrete asses in the swedish HQ wouldn´t allow those things anyway, SäkI you know). But I can´t get rid of the feeling that Aimpoints are little like the stuff you see on TV-shop. Things that probably have some sort of function, but somehow you managed to survive yet another day without those before everyone got a example. The "need" to use them feels somewhat made up.

http://www.ing2.mil.se/images/local/liq_7.jpg

Goggles indoors can be usefull if there is a lots of space, who knows where you end up fighting, maybe in a blacked out airport terminal, shipyard or whatever. In normal apartment to apartment fighting (especially monogoggles) and IR-lasers can be very usefull. Especially if the enemy doesn´t know about you being there and you have more the intention to capture than kill (otherwise I assume that simply a handgrenade or two around the corner would be the best option).

[Midav]

http://www.muppets.com/profiles/graphics/SwedishChef_s.jpg

Swedish weapon ;)

[Swed]

Midav: LoL!

[mustamato]

IR-laser while nice and bling-bling and all does require something like NOD's to be seen by you, and in most situations I won't be wearing NOD's while indoor..

I can add that the regiment in Helsinki that specializes in CQB will be issued with Aimpoints. Seems to be an international trend.

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/tj/arkistot/kuvat/2003-12-01-59.jpg

[MANSUR]

MolliG, Thanks :D

[Dalleer]

I can add that the regiment in Helsinki that specializes in CQB will be issued with Aimpoints. Seems to be an international trend.

Yes, you are talking about the "guards Jaeger regiment" (Kaartinjääkäri rykmentti) now aren't you?

If I can remember correctly, They are trained in CQB and urban warfare, mainly for the defence of the capital (Helsinki that is).

[mustamato]

Yes, you are talking about the "guards Jaeger regiment" (Kaartinjääkäri rykmentti) now aren't you?

If I can remember correctly, They are trained in CQB and urban warfare, mainly for the defence of the capital (Helsinki that is).

http://www2.mil.fi/maavoimat/joukot/kaartjr/isokkomp.jpg


Well yeah, that regiment has always been a little more "special" than those on the "countryside". But of course, Helsinki is the heart of Finland and there is also a lots of taxpayers, media and stuff like that there, so it would look bad if the soldiers of that regiment didn´t have modern equipment. Fighting in such a big city as Helsinki requires a lot of special training, tactics and also a little different equipment.

http://www.finnrappel.fi/Jvvk2003.JPG

http://www2.mil.fi/maavoimat/joukot/kaartjr/isokoydet.jpg

http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~senarvi/galleriat/intti/images/Ake-7.jpg

http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~senarvi/galleriat/intti/images/Koysi-13.jpg

[OldRecon]

JunglistSoldier. I don´t say that Aimpoints, Trijicons and stuff like that are bad, because they obviously aint. But shooting and hitting something with your both eyes open takes some training. Well it´s excellent if you have the opportunity to do that. But during my military service (no not in the navy) i was trained to use the open sights on AK5 and the optics on AK5B...

Can only aggree with most of this.
During my recon days we only had standard license versions of the HK G-3 to play with and no Rambo "hand-gun jewelry" like aimpoint illuminators (though we did have laser range finders, + image intesifying goggles and observation scopes and some other things).
Thus there was no alternative to iron sights for +60 m and instant pointing method shooting below 60 m.
After a short while not too uncommon for an average recruit to put 15 of 20 shots within the 10 x 10 cm "head" of a full figure on the range. And pretty quick at that too.
The live fire contact disengagement drills at night with a full 50 kg pack on your back made for apprehension though :roll: (though nowdays I guess a 50 kg pack would make my knees bend). http://home.online.no/~arneesp/obn/brig02.jpg