How will Saddam be dealt with?

[duck]

Capturing Saddam alive was probably in no-ones' plans. Where and on what charges should he be put to trial? Who should be the judges and jury? Does he have a right to an advocate? Under Iraqi law?

[ShotOver]

Hung up in public square for everyone who lost a family member or friend because of him to take a piss on him.

[citizen-k]

Capturing Saddam alive was probably in no-ones' plans. Where and on what charges should he be put to trial? Who should be the judges and jury? Does he have a right to an advocate? Under Iraqi law?

The Iraqis can,
the Kuwaitis can,
the Saudia arabians can,
the Kurds can,
the Israelis can...

The question is who will be his defence counsel, Syria France or Germnay rofl

[duck]

Actually I am really interested how this will be arranged. Saddam can damage many people, companies and countries with his insider information and there are many who would like to see him die before he talks.

[ShotOver]

hahahaha rofl

You would have to be really stupid to defend him in court.

Isnt it strange the Anti-war hippies arnt around at the moment?

[hood]

Maybe because it's only 8am on a Sunday in the US. Most people here aren't awake yet.

[ShotOver]

Oh, thats probally it.

It's 8:52 on a sunday night here :|

[DeltaWhisky58]

To be honest, I think he's going to get a pretty one-way trip from his fellow Iraqis. They need closeure, and need it right now.

Presumably they have the death penalty - something which I doubt is available to any international tribunal - certainly not the War Crimes Court in The Hague.

Let his own people try him, and make sure they've got a good rope for afterwards.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Public stoning.

Lets all get some rocks fellas.

[Operation Ivy]

The question is who will be his defence counsel, Syria France or Germnay

rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Argyll]

Don't be surprised if Saddam makes a deal to prevent him from being put to Death..........he holds all the aces right now with regards to the WMD issues!

[wyrm_142]

I'm pretty sure that we'll keep him safe and sound, and treat him pretty well (not eating off gold like he was before, but decently). We already let him shave, and get a hair cut.

However, the trial will likely be conducted by members of the Iraqi populus. Heck they were going to try him next year anyways. If you watched the CENTCOM brief, those four Iraqi reporters (that stood up and started yelling when the pic was shown) were yelling death to Saddam.

Without a doubt, he's going to die - but the Iraqi people will be those who do make that decision, as they should. Just wondering how long it will take before, a trial occurs? I'm sure we'll want to chat with him for as long as he wants to talk.

Just my quasi educated slant,

wyrm

[California Joe]

This all has to be dealt with carefully. Can't martyr him, can't turn him loose, can't risk the Iraqis commuting his sentence. Sad to say but a double tap center mass in that cellar may have been the best option.

[marktigger]

yep martyring him isn't a good idea. Looks like milosivic will have company.
though would love to see him to be handed over to the Kurds.

[Dalleer]

I'd say that the first step of punishment for Saddam Hussein would be a brand-spanking, mother-loving, beard-ripping beating carried out by some real badass US marine corps members.

After that all of the Kurds could take a turn, and then anyone else who's lost a family member to Saddam, and we'd keep it going for as long as there would be visible body parts left...

[Adri]

international cort......

[Operation Ivy]

Have him tried in Iraq with the jury made mostly of Kurds with the international court over looking the court so everything goes the right way

[hank]

Just watched the Sunday morning news program with Dan Rather and the consensus is that the Iraqis will try Saddam under Iraqi law. As much as everyone else would like to get their hands on him, this makes the most sense to me. Allowing Iraqis to punish him will cut down on the martyr problem (good point Cal Joe) and maybe sidestep some of the animosity many muslims will undoubtably have about having one of their leaders tried for crimes against humanity.

just a thought

hank

[Deuterium]

The question is who will be his defence counsel, Syria France or Germnay rofl

:P :P :P Priceless

[S'13]

Gas him! That would be poetic justice...

[Mr. Nielsen]

His primary victim's were the Iraqi people. So that would talk for a trial in Iraq by the iraqi people. Had his victim's primarily been, say Kuwaitis,an international trial might have been more appropriate.

And I would agree that a trial in Iraq lessens the risk of him becoming a martyr.

[Saranof]

Do you really think he will be stoned in public?
No, he's gonna make a deal and get lifetime instead.

[Russian Texan]

Stalin was thinking about puting Hitler, if he was to be captured alive, in a cage in Moscow's zoo.
Sadam has proven not to be able to follow up on his tough talk, at least his sons put up a fight and he just cowardly gave up.
Although I do not see how capturing Sadam is going to help coalition forces in Iraq, iraqis are not fighting for Sadam but are fighting against invaders. What makes you think that a muslim country will accept democracy? Sure they want some of the things that come with the western way of life but it doesn't mean that they want western way of living or values as a whole, same goes for Afganistan and other muslim countries.
Hussein is captured and will be punished - great.
Attacks on US forces stop - that is when I will cheer.

[Durandal]

Public stoning.

Lets all get some rocks fellas.

That is three times I can say we have agreed on something. :)

[Guttorm]

Well, I heard on some news station that they wouldn't let him be judged by Iraqies, due to the fact that they'd probably shoot him on sight...

My guess is either the US has some kind of arrangement rady, or it's of to Haag.

[Guttorm]

I wonder how much dinares the guy that gave the tip got...
What was the reward?

[S'13]

What was the reward?

25,OOO,OOO dollars

[Shake n Bake]

I wonder how much dinares the guy that gave the tip got...
What was the reward?


Nobody is gonna get paid...


The info to saddam's whereabouts came from interrogation

[oldsoak]

This guy is priceless to us alive. As has been pointed out, theres a lot of unanswered question he might have the answers to and we dont want him to die on our hands. He needs to be watched and guarded like no one has ever been watched and guarded. Right now he needs to be the personal concern of a lot of switched on blokes in a very secure place. Then he needs to be tried in an internationally accepted court where his mystique needs to be very publically deconstructed so that he never comes back to haunt us as a hero or whatever. Death penalty - tempting, but no. No martyrs please, he must be shown for what he is, a loathsome monster - so that no one wants to be associated with him or his past. He needs to be the object of contempt and ridicule in the Arab world or we will rue catching him alive.

[Argyll]

Kudos to the Kurds as they were the main source of intel I believe!

[California Joe]

I was thinking it was the wife. Mine would so turn me in for a lot less.... ;)

[Dalleer]

The reward was 25 million USD; but I don't know if anyone got it this time.

[Argyll]

:P
no kidding Joe,mine would give them money to grass me up!!

[California Joe]

I'd like to meet her. Heh.

If I show up in Scotland can we get pissed and play Rob Roy?

[budanski]

From what I read, the intel came from interogations of captured first tier accomplices so no reward will be dished out.

I suggested on the other thread that we'd play it off that we be interested in letting the Iraqis loose on him only to have him spill the beans on much needed intelligence for assurances that he'd be protected under the U.S.

[California Joe]

We probably caught him like 3 months ago anyway. I'd drag his ass out if I needed a boost in the popularity polls......

He looks kinda like Charlie Manson...

[Jack Mehoff]

We will not put him under a firing squad if he spills out the location of WMD and his humping buddy aka Osama Bend Over.

[California Joe]

Osama hates him, where you been?

[Jack Mehoff]

Osama hates him, where you been?

I know OBL is a Shiite muslim but that doesn't mean anything. You never know until the interrogation begins.

[California Joe]

Never know, but Osama offered to raise an army of true believers to whack Saddam a few years back....Sounds like a problem to me.

[Haiw]

international cort......
You mean that ICC the US doesn't support?

Anyway, I'd say as he's an Iraqi that did most of his crimes against Iraqi's (unlike Milosevic who did commited most of his crimes against other people than the serbs) it's up to the Iraqi's...

[Trident-za]

Agreed....

[Argyll]

I think they should reconvene the old Baathist council before the trial,in a room,and gas the fookin lot of them! woot

[California Joe]

I can dig that.

[steel bonnet]

Well l think he should be if not already,be shipped to the US(Undisclosed location). Never to be seen again.

Get a fake to be shown to the press,that he died under stress.

Whilst back at Undisclosed Location,Get EVERYTHING out of him concerning EVERYTHING Iraq has done/got hidden. Terrorist groups,which countries have been aiding him with manpower & moreso as Holders of HIS WMD, etc.

He`s too valuble for Intel to pop off just for grudges,making it look like he is dead though,well that leaves him the Spooks position till there Truely finished with him & NO BLEEDING HEARTS can do/say anything about it.As in all sense he`d be considered dead.

Well that`s what l would do :D

Ja
Steel Bonnet

[California Joe]

We probably caught him 3 months ago.

Polling numbers must be down....

[Argyll]

I disagree with that Steel Bonnet,for the simple reason ,he was the reason why this war started,and we the Coalition owe it to all the Iraqis who've been slaughtered by this mans Regime,for the Iraqi's themselves to see justice done.
It is not upto the US to deal with him,it is the people of Iraq!

[martinexsquaddie]

i suggest a new pair of nikes and let him go in Downtown Basra
Amnesty were on the web we belive saddam deserves a fair trial and not to be put to death but we are amnesty we've got to say that :lol:
look we can't say what saddam deserves but here look at some of our annual reports for suggestions rofl

[Skaman]

I think it is great the international community will bring this man to justice for his crimes against humanity, yet I doubt his capture will have any ramifications on the change of mentality concerning the American occupation of Iraq. The correlation between Salaam and the Iraqi effort to push out an American occupation are hardly connected.


Good for Coalition forces, yet this will hardly ratify the American/Iraqi effort or excuse other mishaps. Regional turmoil will not end with the capture of Sadam.

I am happy for the Iraqi people nonetheless! woot

[Haiw]

I think it is great the international community will bring this man to justice for his crimes against humanity, yet I doubt his capture will have any ramifications on the change of mentality concerning the American occupation of Iraq. The correlation between Salaam and the Iraqi effort to push out an American occupation are hardly connected.

Good for Coalition forces, yet this will hardly ratify the American/Iraqi effort or excuse other mishaps. Regional turmoil will not end with the capture of Sadam.
As much as most of you will propably hate to admit it he's completely right here. I'd say most of the violence will go on as for most fighters the goal is not to get Saddam back, but just to get the US out.

[jizzmonkey]

I think it is great the international community will bring this man to justice for his crimes against humanity, yet I doubt his capture will have any ramifications on the change of mentality concerning the American occupation of Iraq. The correlation between Salaam and the Iraqi effort to push out an American occupation are hardly connected.


Good for Coalition forces, yet this will hardly ratify the American/Iraqi effort or excuse other mishaps. Regional turmoil will not end with the capture of Sadam.

I am happy for the Iraqi people nonetheless! woot

Take your pesamistic-looser-ass to another forum.

[jizzmonkey]

I think it is great the international community will bring this man to justice for his crimes against humanity, yet I doubt his capture will have any ramifications on the change of mentality concerning the American occupation of Iraq. The correlation between Salaam and the Iraqi effort to push out an American occupation are hardly connected.

Good for Coalition forces, yet this will hardly ratify the American/Iraqi effort or excuse other mishaps. Regional turmoil will not end with the capture of Sadam.
As much as most of you will propably hate to admit it he's completely right here. I'd say most of the violence will go on as for most fighters the goal is not to get Saddam back, but just to get the US out.

I dont think its going to all go away, but I do think it'll put a dent in it.

[wholagun]

Some people here want Sadam dead right away. But what ever happened to due process? Isn't that what democracy is all about? US comes to liberate Iraq and at the joy of capturing Sadam is blinded suddenly why it came there resotre order and democracy. You can't just say kill him, or gas him. :roll: If tried in court he will be totally found guilty, no need to worry, Where should he be tried I don't know Iraq would be a good place.

Now that coalition forces have him he'll be a good source of intell.

[One?]

He shouuldn't be executed instead use the same torture methods he used infron of the Iraqi public.

Retrieve information and secrets over the 30 years of his rule.

[wholagun]

ask him where the WMDs are?

[usa320]

or it's of to Haag
god no...the Hague will give him like a few years of probation, a fine, and a mansion in the Swiss alps.

[Haiw]

More like a life sentence...

[wholagun]

or it's of to Haag
god no...the Hague will give him like a few years of probation, a fine, and a mansion in the Swiss alps.

I suppose you want him in the US right.

[Fioraon]

Put him on a trial in Iraq exacuted by The Coalition and Iraq. I doubt he will be the only one to be put on trail, he is not the only war criminal in his state. Put them all together in one long trial. Bring the justice to the people of Iraq and do it right. Death by hanging.

[Vance]

Sort of like Nuremburg?

[exoninja]

Just watched the Sunday morning news program with Dan Rather and the consensus is that the Iraqis will try Saddam under Iraqi law. As much as everyone else would like to get their hands on him, this makes the most sense to me. Allowing Iraqis to punish him will cut down on the martyr problem (good point Cal Joe) and maybe sidestep some of the animosity many muslims will undoubtably have about having one of their leaders tried for crimes against humanity.

just a thought

hank

Under Iraqi law? That'll be great. So what would the punishment be?

Is it:
A) Throw him off 3-storeys
B) Strap explosives on his chest then detonate it
C) Cane his feet
or D) All of the above. But cut his **** off first before commencing.

[Seoulstriker]

^^^ don't forget electro-shocking the genitalia, soaking him in an acid bath, holding him on a heat hook... etc, etc.

he'll get what he deserves.

[BMF]

my opinion, make him go to NYC, and shovel all the snow in the city, wearing a tutu. thats it.

[Adri]

if the US gives him to the iraqis and they torture him...wouldn't that been some strange ? the WMD's was the main reason for war agains iraq but I am sure that he fact that he tortured his own people was there to, so going in to a country to protect humen rigths and then break them ?
(not saing that he don't deserve it...)

oh and: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105756,00.html

so he have POW Protection, that means that US wil have to lett him go after the war, but the war (as bush said) is all ready over ? so lets say they will release him when you pull out of iraq....and then what ? leav him to the iraqis who will torture him or give him to araffat ???? (I'm sure he would be happy.....)

[Durandal]

Whatever is done, it has to involve the United States and/or Iraq and NO one that does not approve of a death penalty.

[aktarian]

I know OBL is a Shiite muslim but that doesn't mean anything. You never know until the interrogation begins.

:bash: You don't read papers much do you? Iranians and OBL hate each other.

[steel bonnet]

l`m still sticking to my original thought. Have a fake suicide & then cart him off to Levenworth or some Undisclosed area for a VERY INTENSE debrief.

Imagine the Intel the guy has on other nations,Politicians,Terrorist groups.

Then a united SpecOps group could hopefully make some of the worlds current & future problems disapear.

Screw the Iraqi`s getting to judge him,that`s going to take the path of an Iraq Civil War if that happens.Too volatile a nation,with all the extreme groups there & also still the die harders too. Poor Coalition would well & truely be sandwiched & l think that would be a bad thing.

Cannot let it goto the World stage for trial as France & Germany & some others would want to see there old friend safe & well.

Either a FAKE Suicide or Heart attack or Assassination,then he`s free to do with as is seen fit,to extract ALL intel.
What not like he`s never had that done to others now is it!!

Ja
Steel Bonnet

[ShadowNeo]

I think the US better distance themselves somewhat from the trial of Saddam. If he is tried in Iraq I think there should at least be some international mediation or supervision, preferrably through the UN, which has been shunted aside for long enough.

The way I see it at the moment is that the US is blurring the cause for going to war, from disarming Iraq of its Weapons of Mass Destruction to "protecting its national security" by ousting Saddam. The cause for war was initially set clearly and definitively, I can hardly apply that to the present situation.

Although Saddam should be punished for his crimes, is the US not touting a "new Iraq", free from Saddam's brutality? This would hold very little meaning if Saddam faces death in an inhumane or public manner. He may have been an extremely despicable and brutal dictator, but to end his life in the way that he himself has ended so many does not seem right, it does not seem honourable, it does not seem just. Also, I sincerely hope that the US is not going to follow through with that reward they advertised, otherwise they may be just funding another Saddam in the making.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Although Saddam should be punished for his crimes, is the US not touting a "new Iraq", free from Saddam's brutality? This would hold very little meaning if Saddam faces death in an inhumane or public manner.

Whilst Iraq could not be said to be a fundementalist islamic state, we have to remember that the islamic world is different to that which we know in the west. The Iraqi people, together with those of Iran, Kuwait and other Gulf nations, have experienced Saddam's excesses first hand, and it will probably be their wish that Saddam should be dealt with under Islamic custom.

I do not think it is for George Dubya, Tony Blair or any other world leader to involve themselves in this, they should distance themselves whilst allowing their governments and internation bodies such as the UN to aid the Iraqis get themselves back on an even footing and to try and deal with Saddam in their own way, according to custom.

If Saddam were to be handed over to the Saudis for example, I don't think it would be too long before he experienced the executioner's sword, IN PUBLIC. I am not in favour of capital punishment across the board, but there are times when it is appropriate, and I believe that a poll across the peoples of most nations affected by Saddam Hussein and his policies, whether Gulf nations or Western, would give the same result - let him face his punishment in the way of his own culture, I think you know what result that will bring.

[aktarian]

View from Teheran



Iran's Leader Relieved at Saddam's Arrest
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Denouncing Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) as a "bloodthirsty wolf," Iran's supreme leader expressed relief at his capture but said the world would also be better off without President Bush (news - web sites) and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites).


Ayatollah Ali Khamenei recalled that the United States ignored Tehran's early warnings about Saddam and supported Iraq (news - web sites)'s war against Iran in the 1980s that killed more than a million people on both sides.


"The same Americans who are against Saddam now, including the current secretary of defense (Donald Rumsfeld), shook hands with him in Baghdad and supported him to put Iran under pressure," Khamenei told several thousand Iranians gathered in Qazvin, about 100 miles west of Tehran. The speech aired live on state-run television.


Khamenei said he was relieved at the capture of "a bloodthirsty wolf in the shape of a human being."


But if there were any illusions that the removal of Iran's longtime foe would win Washington any points with the country's hard-line clerics, Khamenei quickly dispelled them, pointing to Bush's remarks the day before.


"I heard the U.S. president has said the world is better without Saddam. I want to tell him that the world will be even better without Bush and Sharon," Khamenei said.


His speech prompted chants of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel."


Khamenei, who has final say on all state matters in the Islamic republic, repeated his warning to the United States that God would destroy it as a superpower.


"Those who imagine that their power is eternal should look at the fate of Saddam ... and the former Soviet Union," Khamenei said. He added that Bush and Israeli leaders "will not have a better fate than that of Saddam."


Bush has grouped Iran alongside Saddam's Iraq in the "axis of evil" — a trio filled out by North Korea (news - web sites).


On Monday, Iran urged that Saddam be tried before an international court, saying the court must hear which nations sold him weapons during the 1980-88 war.


Several countries sold weapons to Iraq, including the former Soviet Union, France and Egypt. The United States is known to have provided intelligence and civilian helicopters, and Iranians believe that Washington also supplied weapons.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=7&u=/ap/20031216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us_saddam_1

[Salty Dog]

^^^ don't forget electro-shocking the genitalia, soaking him in an acid bath, holding him on a heat hook... etc, etc.

he'll get what he deserves.

amnesty would **** your ass if they heard you say that. p-) (p.s. i hate amnesty :-*$ )