Note to bin Laden: Your next!!!!

[ST4]

Don't forget everyone, our buddy Osama is next. I think everyone here would agree that is would be greater for the US to catch OBL.

To bin Laden: Task Force 121 will be entering the cave your hiding in soon! woot

[California Joe]

He should have been first.

He should have.

[Vance]

My bet is he's already dead. We just don't know it.

[ST4]

My bet is he's already dead. We just don't know it.

I want to see his dead body before I can be convinced that he really is dead.

Wouldn't you want him alive and seeing him on TV looking scared ****less. woot

[papasmerf]

I don't think he's dead, he's been releasing some new voice recordings lately. By the way, one day I was skimming through some of the post and I read someone saying that Richard Marcinko stated if he was allowed back in action he'd catch Osama within 3 months. Does anyone know more about this, what was the source of this information?

[Zach R.]

Great idea, let's get **** Marcinko, Paul Howe, Eric Haney, and Gary Van Hee to go kick UBL's butt.

[ST4]

I don't think he's dead, he's been releasing some new voice recordings lately. By the way, one day I was skimming through some of the post and I read someone saying that Richard Marcinko stated if he was allowed back in action he'd catch Osama within 3 months. Does anyone know more about this, what was the source of this information?

The source is from MSNBC's show Jesse Venture's America. **** was on the show. He was asked by Jesse how long it would take him to capture OBL. Marcinko said that he would be able to catch him in 3 months with no conventional generals on his back and having being able to have to resources at his will. I sure believe him. Dont understimate Marcinko.. even though he went to jail, he established and trained SEAL Team 6, currently DEVGRUP. At the time, there were the best SF group in the world during the 1980s.

[Deuterium]

I don't think he's dead, he's been releasing some new voice recordings lately. By the way, one day I was skimming through some of the post and I read someone saying that Richard Marcinko stated if he was allowed back in action he'd catch Osama within 3 months. Does anyone know more about this, what was the source of this information?

The source is from MSNBC's show Jesse Venture's America. **** was on the show. He was asked by Jesse how long it would take him to capture OBL. Marcinko said that he would be able to catch him in 3 months with no conventional generals on his back and having being able to have to resources at his will. I sure believe him. Dont understimate Marcinko.. even though he went to jail, he established and trained SEAL Team 6, currently DEVGRUP. At the time, there were the best SF group in the world during the 1980s.

And you know this because....?????? Please don't post about things you know nothing about. Reading Red Cell does not place you in a position to compare/contrast SpecOps units during the 80s. Express your opinion, sure, but if you want to make such a bold statement you should begin by saying, "I was a member of Delta and then SEAL Team 6...." I suspect you were neither.

[ChuckThunder]

I don't think he's dead, he's been releasing some new voice recordings lately. By the way, one day I was skimming through some of the post and I read someone saying that Richard Marcinko stated if he was allowed back in action he'd catch Osama within 3 months. Does anyone know more about this, what was the source of this information?

The source is from MSNBC's show Jesse Venture's America. **** was on the show. He was asked by Jesse how long it would take him to capture OBL. Marcinko said that he would be able to catch him in 3 months with no conventional generals on his back and having being able to have to resources at his will. I sure believe him. Dont understimate Marcinko.. even though he went to jail, he established and trained SEAL Team 6, currently DEVGRUP. At the time, there were the best SF group in the world during the 1980s.

And you know this because....?????? Please don't post about things you know nothing about. Reading Red Cell does not place you in a position to compare/contrast SpecOps units during the 80s. Express your opinion, sure, but if you want to make such a bold statement you should begin by saying, "I was a member of Delta and then SEAL Team 6...." I suspect you were neither.

You underestimating Marcinko?!? :fork:

Just kidding. :P You raise an excellent point. I think ST4 was born in the late 80's anyway. Hes 16-17 if I recall.

[Haiw]

How could they even be the best SF group when they were technically just a CT group? :| Anyway...everyone knows that the Dutch Armchair Ninja Tactical Specialists were the best SF group in the 80's DUH!!

[ChuckThunder]

How could they even be the best SF group when they were technically just a CT group? :| Anyway...everyone knows that the Dutch Armchair Ninja Tactical Specialists were the best SF group in the 80's DUH!!

They must have been super duper secret because I've never heard of them. That means alot, I've played all the delta force PC games. ;)

[duck]

16th century Japanese Ninjas would have realized the futility of trying to fight fire with fire and looked within themselves to find Osama. ;)

http://www.ninpo.org/ninpo/ninpo.html

Ninpo

Ninpo is a group of related martial traditions that have developed in Japan since the ancient period (before the 12th century), and that have been combined in the modern period under one comprehensive martial system. This system includes the eighteen martial skills (bugei juhappan) for the common bushi (warrior), and another group of eighteen unconventional types of martial skills (ninja juhakkei) for special warfare. Another component of Ninpo, in addition to these thirty-six martial skills, is a unique world view, thought and philosophy, and esoteric practices. This world view emphasizes the defensive nature of Ninpo, and the need to have a compassionate heart.


The term "Ninpo"

The term "ninpo" is made of two characters. The first, "nin," literally means patience, perseverance, and stealth. The character itself is composed of two characters to have a blade placed over the heart/mind. There are a number of symbolic meanings to that. One, the blade forces the heart/mind to remain stealth in order to persevere. Another meaning is that the heart/mind should be as sharp and pure as the sword.

The second character, "ho," is philosophically more complicated thus more difficult to grasp, and has a strong Buddhist connotation. In modern Japanese this character is used for the word "law" (as in the legal system), but in the term "ninpo" it takes on the Buddhist meaning of the universal Buddhist Law. In Sanskrit the word Dharma (Jp. Law) has a deep and complex meaning, but it essentially means factors of existence on one level, ultimate reality on another level, and the Buddhist doctrines and thought on yet another level. The result of combining it with the first character "nin" produces a term ("ninpo") that could be understood as the ultimate and eternal reality of perseverance and stealth. However, one should not rigidly define or interpret Ninpo in one way, rather understand the depth of it in its various meanings.


Ninjutsu. The term ninjutsu literally means skills of perseverance, and is an historical (vis a vis historiographical) term. In the 17th century ninjutsu records (Bansenshukai, Ninpiden and Shoninki), the authors extensively use the word ninjutsu to refer to their martial tradition. Historically, ninjutsu is a general term for a variety of martial skills that share a common characteristics. These characteristics include the people who nurtured and developed ninjutsu, the combination of conventional and unconventional fighting methods, and the period when ninjutsu was most widely used, among other characteristics. Since I discuss the possible origins of ninjutsu in this essay on Ninpo and in my section on Ninpo history, in the following paragraphs I will focus on the martial skills that constitute ninjutsu.

It is possible to divide ninjutsu to four fundamental categories: taijutsu, ninki (weapons), heiho, and shugyo (religious practices). Taijutsu (lit. body skills) is unarmed fighting techniques divided into kosshijutsu, koppojutsu, dakentaijutsu, jutaijutsu, and taihenjutsu.

Ninjutsu weapons are rather numerous and include conventional weaponry such as short and long swords, naginata, and yari, among others. In addition, there is a large variety of unconventional weapons such as special bladed weapons, concealed weapons, collapsible ladders, floating devices, and many more. It is common among those who practice ninjutsu these days to think that in medieval Japan the goal was to master all aspects and all the techniques associated with ninjutsu. In fact, it was quite the contrary. The aim was at specialization rather than an overall mastership. It is important to remember that being born in medieval or early-modern Japan meant that oneÕs future depended very much on the family in which one was born--even, or especially if the family did not belong to the samurai class. Thus, those warriors who were skilled in Ninjutsu only specialized in some aspect of ninjutsu, and functioned accordingly within their family. If we look at the famous Iga and Koga regions, we see a few tens of families within which there were the majority of family members who acquired just basic skills, those who specialized in the use of certain weapons or techniques, and those who led the families and specialized in strategy.

[ibstolidude]

DUH...only an asshole doesn't know that the ninja is the greatest warrior of all time.
http://www.realultimatepower.net

Deuterium - several months ago I swear I saw someone in NC with a T-shirt of your avatar.....or I was in a post drunk stupor and remember all farked up.

[papasmerf]

I don't think he's dead, he's been releasing some new voice recordings lately. By the way, one day I was skimming through some of the post and I read someone saying that Richard Marcinko stated if he was allowed back in action he'd catch Osama within 3 months. Does anyone know more about this, what was the source of this information?

The source is from MSNBC's show Jesse Venture's America. **** was on the show. He was asked by Jesse how long it would take him to capture OBL. Marcinko said that he would be able to catch him in 3 months with no conventional generals on his back and having being able to have to resources at his will. I sure believe him. Dont understimate Marcinko.. even though he went to jail, he established and trained SEAL Team 6, currently DEVGRUP. At the time, there were the best SF group in the world during the 1980s.

What was he in jail for? I need to buy some of his books and read up during holidays.

[Zach R.]

Umm, pardon. But everyone knows that a sniper could take out any sissy assed ninja. DUH!!! :D

[budanski]

Osama?

http://www.gateworld.net/startrek/characters/graphics/mccoy.jpg
He's dead, Jim ;)

[bishop1]

Yeah, i saw that post about Marcinko and made my opinions about it heard. Im not a SEAL, or in the military at all, but i hate that guy. What an asshole, youre either kissing his ass or hate his guts because hes a ****.
I forgot who wrote them, but a few of the SEALs of the time he was creating SEAL team 6, they said he was a **** and so on. And hes no better than any other SEAL team commander, i mean what makes him so special that HE could catch him? If he didnt have conventional generals at his ass he might could do it, if pigs could fly or fish could walk on land the world would be different, but its impossible, so whats the point. And i guess he wouldnt want those conventional forces to help him in case his team ran into 400 Al Queada either then. I love how the Delta guys in their books seem so tame compared to the SEALs, ecspecially Marcinko, like him or not he disgraced the SEALs, the Navy and the U.S. military when he went to prison. Some Spetnatz or Delta or somebody really needed to kick his ass a long time ago to shut him up, he thinks hes gods creation to the TEAMs, when in fact hes no better or worse than anyone else who has walked in his shoes. Myabe better at shooting or what not, but he was trained in the same place as every other SEAL, so i dont see what makes him so special.

[Seiyuuki]

Umm, pardon. But everyone knows that a sniper could take out any sissy assed ninja. DUH!!! :D

That's assuming the sniper can see the ninja first and you know what they say about assumption.

[StarvingStudent47]

He should have been first.

He should have.

We can't choose what order we find them in.

Shoot, it took us about seven years to track down Eric Robert Rudolph, and he was hiding in a cave in our own darned country.

But the thing to remember is this: In the end, we got Eric Robert Rudolph. In the end, we got Saddam. In the end, WE WILL GET OSAMA.

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/37bda373/liberty_finger.jpg

[Haiw]

Nice speach Martin Luther. Don't bet your life savings on it though.

[Saranof]

I'm still suprised Saddam didn't kill himself when he knew his time was up
They'll never catch Osama alive, though knowing him he's probly died or something..

[papasmerf]

Yeah, i saw that post about Marcinko and made my opinions about it heard. Im not a SEAL, or in the military at all, but i hate that guy. What an asshole, youre either kissing his ass or hate his guts because hes a ****.
I forgot who wrote them, but a few of the SEALs of the time he was creating SEAL team 6, they said he was a **** and so on. And hes no better than any other SEAL team commander, i mean what makes him so special that HE could catch him? If he didnt have conventional generals at his ass he might could do it, if pigs could fly or fish could walk on land the world would be different, but its impossible, so whats the point.

I think you are a moron for talking about Mr. Marcinko like that, you seem to run your mouth but you don't even know the guy. Yea I'm kissing his ass, like he's going to read this post and recruit me into ST6 for supporting him, you idiot. I don't care who you've been listening to, unless you give me names of individuals that made such comments about him, cuz I really doubt you spoke with the SEALs the way you claim. I know you can't give me any names, but I can name you some people's names that honor him, and that's why your statements are a heap of **** cuz you say stuff you can't back up. How do you know he's no better than any other SEAL commander? Have you served with him? I don't think so.



And i guess he wouldnt want those conventional forces to help him in case his team ran into 400 Al Queada either then.

How do you know what he'd want? First of all conventional forces fight an entirely different war, that's why he wouldn't need them, they'd just interupt his work. I'm not a strategist here but if Marcinko said he wouldn't need conventional forces then I guess he knows what he's talking about, after all the guy has been around, you haven't.




I love how the Delta guys in their books seem so tame compared to the SEALs, ecspecially Marcinko, like him or not he disgraced the SEALs, the Navy and the U.S. military when he went to prison. Some Spetnatz or Delta or somebody really needed to kick his ass a long time ago to shut him up, he thinks hes gods creation to the TEAMs, when in fact hes no better or worse than anyone else who has walked in his shoes. Myabe better at shooting or what not, but he was trained in the same place as every other SEAL, so i dont see what makes him so special

Yea, tune in to Black Hawk Down and stick to your Delta books kid. I'm glad to see you have so many friends among Delta and SEAL units telling you what kind of man Marcinko was, that's very impressive. You seem to know Mr. Marcinko personally, since you already know what he wants, what he thinks, what his skills are like, and how he was trained, why don't you write a book about him for us then? You got a big mouth and nothing to back it up with, so you might as well just shut the hell up. p-)

[papasmerf]

Here is some proof to show how disgusted SEALs are about Mr. Marcinko, they even made a page for him to let everyone know what a disgrace he was.

"FAMOUS NAVY SEALS

Ass-kicking Navy SEAL, C.E.O. of SOS Temps, Inc., and graduate-level business instructor Richard Marcinko, a.k.a. **** Marcinko, a.k.a. Demo ****, a.k.a. Shark Man of the Delta, is one of the toughest men ever to serve our country. His best selling Rogue Warrior series and other fine writings have solidified the Military literature genre and not only advanced its technical vocabulary, but has no less restructured the military memoir narrative as we know it.

Demo **** is raw. So is the truth - the truth about war. "In Vietnam, I'd discovered who could kill and who couldn't in combat. But that was fifteen years ago, and less than half of SEAL Team Six had ever been in combat. So there was only one way to find out who'd pull the trigger, and who'd freeze - which was to play this thing out and see who did his job and who didn't. War, after all, is not Nintendo. War is not about technology or toys. War is about killing..." he writes. **** Marcinko tells it how it is.

BIOGRAPHY

Some of Mr. Marcinko’s accomplishments include over 5 best-selling novels and an autobiography, a critically acclaimed book on management and leadership techniques, professional lectures to law enforcement and business executives, and dynamic hands-on training for U.S. and foreign hostage rescue teams. Mr. Marcinko acts as a corporate advisor to multi-national businesses including AT&T, Motorola and General Motors on such issues as corporate security, team-building, operational management and strategic planning."

source: www.navyseals.com (website made by the SEALs themselves)

[wreck]

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg12082003/reddeathdrinker.jpg

rofl rofl rofl

[bishop1]

Have you worked with him, have you lived with him, have you trained with him? I really doubt it, so youre doing everything i just said, you have no more proof to what youre saying that i do, but you know hes gods gift to the world just like i know he isnt. Read the book SEAL, by Micheal Walsh, hes one who i can think off the top of my head thats had a run in with him. So what does he do that makes him so much better? He writes books, hes popular, but you obviously think hes alot better than the other SEALs we have, so why, what makes him so great besides the fact he went to prison? And you ****ing idiot, i know the difference between conventional and unconventional forces. The SEALs are probably the best in UW and Guerilla warfare in the world, but if theyre out there, and their 7 or 8 guys run into 400 or 500 enemy troops, its gonna be alot more than another SEAL platoon to back them up, hence why conventional forces do that kind of stuff, because theres more of them, hence why hed need them for something. But youre about what i expected, defending somone you most likely dont know because alot of ass kissers suck up and defend him and you hear how great he is from them. If im not mistaken, which i could be on this one, in Bob Gromleys book, he talks alittle about ****s prison time, and he himself said he was a disgrace to the uniform, and id take his word over ****s becaise he was leader of ST6 and he didnt go to prison. So when you have facts of your own, come back, you know no more than i do but youre accusing me of being the idiot when all you know is from heresay from ass kissers. you hipocryte (sp).

[papasmerf]

Get Walsh's ***** out of your ass already, I support Mr. Marcinko for a reason, you insult him because someone didn't like him in a book. I'm not doing everything you said, in fact, I'm not doing anything to what you are doing, and yea I do have more proof than you. First of all, Mr. Marcinko was recognized by navyseals.com staff to be put on Famous Navy SEALs page for being the man he is, Walsh wasn't, second of all I talked with someone eye to eye that met Mr. Marcinko at a SEAL reunion, and he had
nothing but warm words about Rich, unlike you who never met the man in real life, but read some sucky book and had a period over it. I don't know if Marcinko is better than every other SEAL, but I know one thing though, Rich deserves the respect he earned, and if you don't like him, don't talk about him as if he slit your mother's throat, I bet even Walsh doesn't
say things like that about Rich the way you do. Look punk, Mr. Marcinko accomplished something you probably never will have an attempt at to accomplish, you'll never be him, so let it go, you can always apply for a gas pumper, I'm sure they are accepting applications now, you'll enjoy the job, it'll fit you and your IQ quite well. So Bob Gromleys talks about Rich's jail time? Was he a cell mate with Rich or was he there working as a guard? LMAO I thought Bob didn't go to prison silly, how would it be possible for Gromley to talk about Marcinko's prison time without actually him being there? Anyway, I assure you there are far more people that admire Marcinko for what he's done than those who hate him, like your two dildo lovers Bob and Michael. The bottom line pimpled face is that you're still a stupid kid, who runs his mouth about a man of success, because of 2 books you read. Don't be a wasted sperm and think before you make your comments about someone, it's this little rule you learn from your parents, I'm guessing you don't have any parents though so if that's the case then just shut up. Stop thinking about Mr. Marcinko and think about your bad grammar and spelling instead. And don't try to continue this, cuz I myself am not going to, go do your homework or something cuz you're boring the crap out of me with your bullsh*t already.

PS

To Moderators, if Bishop starts taking up webspace again then just lock this thread, my intelligence has already been decreased by 2.5% for listening to him. Thank You.

[duck]

A piece of fiction from the Guardian written two years ago. Could it ever happen?

"Imagine this...

On one of the holiest days in the Islamic year the preacher at Mecca's Grand Mosque is suddenly replaced by the world's most wanted man. Insurrection, economic meltdown and full-scale war follow. James Buchan describes the west's worst nightmare

Friday November 9, 2001
The Guardian

This is fiction, but not impossible. At sundown on December 6 2001, corresponding to 23 Ramadan, 1422 in the lunar calendar used by the Muslims, Sheikh Abdul Rahman al-Sudais, prayer leader of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, made his way to the pulpit in the vast mosque courtyard.
It was no ordinary evening, but possibly the holiest in the holiest month of Islam, the so-called Lailat al-Qadr, or the Night of Power, on which, according to the Koran, God's revelation was sent down to the Prophet Mohammed. On that night, "better than a thousand months," it is believed that all wishes are granted. More than 50,000 people had gathered on the hot pavement of the mosque enclosure and in the streets outside to pass the evening in prayer. Millions of others were watching on a live television broadcast at home.

As Sheikh Abdul Rahman, famous all over the Islamic world for the beauty of his voice, mounted the pulpit, a hand reached up and tugged at his robe. There was a commotion, and in the place of the Imam stood a tall man, unarmed and dressed in the white cloth of the pilgrim to Mecca, and recognisable from a million television screens: Osama bin Laden, flanked by his lieutenants.

In the four minutes before the signal of the Saudi Broadcasting Service was cut, men and women watched an extraordinary scene unfold. "In the name of God the merciful..." Osama began, his Arabic all the more eloquent for having had no seminary training, but it was drowned in the cries of acclamation. The crowd surged forward to the pulpit and in a moment the courtyard was ringing with the pilgrim's shout, "Labaik, Labaik," - I'm with you! Meanwhile, armed young men appeared from the crowd and could be seen padlocking the gates, and taking up firing positions in the galleries.

So began the insurrection that was to overturn the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, undermine several Arab states and provoke a conflagration that was to lead to war. That a single man, unarmed and dressed in two seamless pieces of white cotton, evaded the power of the United States and took over a 100-year kingdom that boasted an armed strength of 200,000 men, a large police force and pervasive intelligence network, and complete control of telecommunications, broadcasting and the press remains one of the most astonishing events of modern history.

Osama's route back from Afghanistan, across 3,000 miles of mountain, desert and sea, has become legend. It is believed that he left his hideout in the Pakhtia district of southern Afghanistan some time in the first week of November 2001, passed out of the country by the lower Helmand river, and crossed the inhospitable Makran desert to the Arabian Sea coast.

From there, a dhow took him across the Gulf to his ancestral home in Wadi Hadhramawt in Yemen. A witness in the mud town of Shibam told the London newspaper Asharq al-Awsat that he saw a group of women being handed down from four heavily-armed Toyota Land-Cruisers, and there is speculation that Osama left his wives and their children in safety before travelling by way of Marib and the Wadi Najran into Saudi Arabia. Once in Mecca, it may have been comparatively simple to hide out in the warren of caves and tunnels, some stretching back to the era before Islam, under the mosque courtyard until the the time was right. The Saudi Binladin Group, Osama's family construction business, did major extension works to the mosque in the 1950s, and Osama could easily have studied the engineer's drawings during his time at the firm in the 1980s.

Crown Prince Abdullah and Princes Sultan and Nayef, who had run the country since the illness of King Fahd in 1995, were confronted by a dilemma. As Osama well knew, to shed blood in the holiest place of Islam was anathema. While seeking a fatwa from the Grand Mufti, precious hours were lost.

The Saudi Telecommunications Company and the sole internet portal were by now closed down, and Saudi Arabia had passed off the map. What is clear is that in the course of the night and the next morning, there were large demonstrations of sympathy in the towns of Jowf, Onaizah, Riyadh, Buraidah and Jeddah.

In a series of attacks, which were either spontaneous or orchestrated by "Afghans" - that is, Saudis who had fought in Afghanistan - interior ministry and national guard armouries were broken open, western housing compounds in Riyadh and Yanbu were set on fire and the Ruwais prison in Jeddah, which was suspected of holding "Afghan" prisoners, was stormed.

The Al Saud had always relied for their security on the religious establishment and the tribes of the central desert, but also ultimately on the guarantee of the US. The armed forces were chronically under strength, riddled with competing interests, incompatible in their equipment and suspect in their loyalty. When Bedouin units of the national guard in Qasim were ordered into Mecca in the small hours of December 7, they revolted and shot their officers, and the American advisers for good measure. Likewise, when the Royal Saudi Air Force attempted to scramble F-15 aircraft and helicopters from Tabuk airbase, warrant officers disabled the machines and several pilots, including a grandson of Prince Sultan, the defence minister, were killed.

In the course of the next morning, the first of the so-called "Days of God", armed crowds attacked the British and American embassies, branches of banks with foreign shareholders such as the Saudi-French Bank, western civilian contractors and the military hospitals, where they dragged out and abused foreign nurses. A mechanised unit sent to defend the US embassy defected, and by nightfall the main palaces and the head quarter, including palaces in Riyadh, the interior ministry, the airport and Saudi Broadcasting Service were under attack. In the eastern province, a column of vehicles from Khobar descended on the Shia town of Qatif and the foreign compounds of Saudi Aramco, the oil company, and by evening refugees were flooding the causeway to Bahrain.

Under contingency plans, the US embassy had evacuated its personnel to Kharj, in the remote desert south of Riyadh, where the US and British air forces had established a base for their operations against Iraq in the 1990s. That evening, evidently on the advice of the US ambassador, King Fahd left from there by C-130 transport aircraft for medical treatment in Spain.

The orgy of killing continued on December 8. Loyal elements of the royal guard attempted to make a stand at the main royal palace in Riyadh, but were overrun. By the evening, just 48 hours after Osama's dramatic appearance in Mecca, Crown Prince Abdullah left for Syria. Prince Sultan and the other senior members of the royal family left with their entourages.

It was only then, when all the major towns were littered with bodies, that Osama called for a halt to the bloodshed. Speaking on television from a modest house in Medina, where visitors were shown endlessly offering their allegiance to him as Amir ul-Muminin, or Prince of the Believers, Osama referred to the new emirate as simply Dar ul Islam: the House of Islam. Saudi Arabia had ceased to exist.

Quoting a saying attributed to the prophet - Let there not be two religions in Arabia - Osama ordered all non-Muslim residents either to become Muslim or leave the House of Islam within 24 hours. He warned that if the US forces intervened, or delayed at Kharj beyond that period, he would not answer for the consequences to men, women and children. In Washington, President Bush spoke of an "orderly evacuation of United States citizens."

As the long caravans of four-wheel drive vehicles set off towards the borders with Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait, they were insulted and spat at by young men. The Kharj air base was besieged by third-country nationals - Filipinos, Keralese, South Koreans - and also by outlying members of the extended royal family desperate to find a way onto the chartered airliners. By December 15, the air base, which had cost hundreds of millions of dollars to equip, was abandoned.

Outside the kingdom, the world economy was reeling. On December 7, as news reached London that communications with Saudi Arabia had been cut, crude oil of the benchmark Brent variety for three-month delivery was quoted at $45 a barrel, or twice its level of the day before. At the opening of US financial markets, the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell by 2,000 points before so-called "circuit breakers", introduced after the 1987 crash, caused trading to be suspended for the week. Trading resumed on Monday, December 10, but only for 15 minutes. By the close on December 14, the Dow Jones had fallen by 50%. In Japan, a country dependent on imported oil and already in deep recession, the Nikkei average was down 65%.

But in the Middle East, enthusiasm for Osama was boundless. Iraq, Libya and the Palestinian authority immediately, and for what appeared to be opportunistic reasons, announced they would unify with the new emirate. The Saudi newspapers, opening under new proprietors, called for a return of all assets held abroad by the Al Saud, war on all apostates and hypocrites in Egypt, Jordan and Morocco and the extermination of "Magians", evidently a reference to Iran. Demonstrations in Cairo, Helwan and Alexandria were put down with heavy loss of life. Iran, a Shia state, announced a 14-day military exercise involving air, sea and land forces, codenamed Zulfikar after the sword of the Shia patriarch, on its western borders.

Both countries were excluded from the meeting of Oapec, the old Arab caucus of the 1970s within the organisation of petroleum exporting countries (Opec). Meeting in Medina on December 15 under the chairmanship of Osama, Oapec agreed a graduated cut in oil production of 5 % each week until such time as the bombing of Afghanistan ceased, sanctions against Iraq were lifted and all "Crusaders and Jews withdrew from the al-Aqsa Mosque, disbanded their armies in defeat and submitted to the rule of Islam, or left the land of God." That day, Brent crude for three-month delivery was quoted in London at $110 per barrel. All over Europe, emergency petrol rationing was introduced, and factories were permitted to operate only three days a week to conserve electric power.

On December 18 2001, just before dawn, the Israeli air force attacked the air bases of Tabuk, Dhahran, Taif and Khamis Mushayt. The war had begun.

· James Buchan is a novelist and former Middle East correspondent"

[California Joe]

*wondering if I should tell those 2 that I met Marcinko before, nah probably not*

[Haiw]

You two shared a cell?

[California Joe]

Yeah, it was Red. Nice guy.

[papasmerf]

lol too funny

[Zach R.]

Yeah, i saw that post about Marcinko and made my opinions about it heard. Im not a SEAL, or in the military at all, but i hate that guy. What an asshole, youre either kissing his ass or hate his guts because hes a ****.
I forgot who wrote them, but a few of the SEALs of the time he was creating SEAL team 6, they said he was a **** and so on. And hes no better than any other SEAL team commander, i mean what makes him so special that HE could catch him? If he didnt have conventional generals at his ass he might could do it, if pigs could fly or fish could walk on land the world would be different, but its impossible, so whats the point. And i guess he wouldnt want those conventional forces to help him in case his team ran into 400 Al Queada either then. I love how the Delta guys in their books seem so tame compared to the SEALs, ecspecially Marcinko, like him or not he disgraced the SEALs, the Navy and the U.S. military when he went to prison. Some Spetnatz or Delta or somebody really needed to kick his ass a long time ago to shut him up, he thinks hes gods creation to the TEAMs, when in fact hes no better or worse than anyone else who has walked in his shoes. Myabe better at shooting or what not, but he was trained in the same place as every other SEAL, so i dont see what makes him so special.

Ever heard of Walter Shumate? He makes **** seam like an alright guy.

[usa320]

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/37bda373/liberty_finger.jpg

Well find him one of these days, probably as unexpectadly and dumbfoundadly as we found Saddam Streetbum.

WEther we find him alive, or his corpse, thats up for debate.

[California Joe]

This may be the funniest thread evah.

[bishop1]

Im gonna call it quits, Papasmerf is too smart for me. And no i dont pump gas, i work at a place called airsoft tactical (www.airsofttactical.com), the owner is an ex SWAT guy, his brother is an ex SEAL, he went to some kind of school in south america and was the first american to graduate it. His name was Micheal i think, maybe Rich could have graduated, but he was probably too busy being in prison. Im not saying Marcinko was a bad soldier, but im not saying he was any better than anyone else, and i dont think its fair for him to be held in any higher regards of other SEALs because hes an accomplished author, because hes a good writer does not make him any better of a SEAL than anyone else, he served in Nam, alot of people did, he was a plankowner of ST6 and Red Cell, ST6 is an accomplishment, but i dont see how Red Cell was anything spectacular, ive heard that the Navy knew he was getting alittle out of control and wanted him to do something where he could be on his own alittle bit, i dont know if its true but i could see that point. But i dont see why so many people think hes so great, any SEAL, any Spec Ops member deserves our admiration, not because everyone else thinks hes cool, or because hes popular, but because hes willing to die for us, so **** doesnt get any more respect from me than a rifleman PFC in the Ranger Regiment, he might not be as popular, but hes laying down his life like everyone else, he doesnt have to write books, or be hugely famous for me to respect him and like him, and likewise since he is in the position he is, i would expect alittle more from him, or any SEAL, ecpsecially an officer, to be in a position where they could be arrested and thrown in jail.

[mocking_loudly_died]

You guys need to stop debating over some dude you never met.

Burp.

[Deuterium]

You guys need to stop debating over some dude you never met.

Burp.

AMEN!!!

[California Joe]

Come on. It's hilarious. It has everything you look for in a humorous thread.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Have Special Forces and their like become the new football teams of the 21st century?

Example: "My SAS team rooxers like a bitch, while your Navy SEAL team has a weak ass captain that will no doubt reflect in us winning the battle against some poverty stricken Afghani plebian well before the second half of the match has started".

Next weeks match: "DELTA VS The Royal Canadian Ballet troupe"

Flame my crazy friends.

[bishop1]

Hey, i said i was calling it quits

[TriggerPuller]

This **** is too funny! This is why men need to knuckle up and not go to jail. Just get over your differences with a good old fashioned street fight,shake hands then go home,but no you idiots want to argue over meaningless BS which neither of you know nothing about. This thread should go in the humor forum!!!

TP

BTW Cal Joe you know **** too? His right hand man is on my advisory board.