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12-14-2003, 07:43 PM
December 14, 2003

Navy plans mother of all ships
Peter Almond



THE Royal Navy is considering creating a fleet of giant “mother” ships capable of taking a series of small fast fighting vessels to the world’s trouble spots.
Typically, one of the ships might carry four to six “daughter” vessels that would float from a submerged stern when the mother reached a war zone.



The design is among options for the creation of a “future surface combatant” (FSC) vessel for deployment in 12 years’ time, and is in keeping with the new high-tech direction outlined in Thursday’s defence white paper. Geoff Hoon, the defence secretary, told the Commons he wanted forces to act “quickly, accurately and decisively” in future conflicts.

The mother-ship concept is regarded as the quickest way of transporting smaller vessels over large distances. Once at the scene of a conflict, it would be defended from terrorists or hostile forces by the daughter ships.

One navy source said such a concept would be extremely valuable for operations in the Gulf. “There’s always a threat from small fast boats and innocent-looking boats that carry bombs, like the one that badly damaged the USS Cole in Yemen. And there’s a particular threat from mines,” he said.

Linked by computers to the mother, the daughters would be equipped to fire missiles deep inland and to search for mines or submarines using remote-control underwater craft. Other daughter craft could be configured to put commandos ashore.

They could also be used to police the coastline as they would have the speed to chase drug smugglers’ speedboats.

The navy declines to discuss the project officially because, sources say, it does not want to detract from its priority of securing funding for its two new aircraft carriers.

However, an FSC project team has been formed under Captain Tom Cunningham, previously requirements manager for the new aircraft carrier project, and an announcement of his appointment is expected soon. Results of initial studies are expected next summer.

The prospect of a fleet of small, fast, specialist boats is one reason why senior navy officials are sanguine about expected cuts in the numbers of destroyers and frigates.

Hoon signalled the move in the Commons last week when he said: “Some of our older vessels contribute less well to the pattern of operations that we envisage, and some adjustments will be necessary.”

At the moment many of the navy’s vessels are too slow. In the Caribbean, for example, its anti-drug-running ships regularly fail to catch their quarry.

Last month the 21-year-old Type 42 destroyer HMS Manchester was again outrun by a speedboat carrying Colombian drugs and had to call on a Lynx helicopter to use the down wash from its rotor blades to make the crew abandon its cargo. More than £25m worth of drugs were recovered at sea, but the boat got away and was later found abandoned on a beach.

It is hoped that the new FSC class could replace the current offshore patrol ships, some of which were designed to be fishery protection vessels.

“The Americans are more concerned about the risks they take operating big expensive ships close to land because they designed them for open sea warfare,” said one Royal Navy source. “So are we, because we have many fewer ships.”

The US Navy is planning to build about 50 “littoral combat ships”, the first going into service in about four years’ time. Each will weigh about 500 tons, have a maximum speed of over 50 knots and cost about £60m.

The FSC is likely to be “modular” in design, changing equipment and roles as it rushes out to conflicts. It could carry a series of unmanned craft including helicopters, reconnaissance drones, mini surface boats and small submarines.

Although a “quick look” study contract was awarded by the Ministry of Defence to BMT Defence Services of Bath last March, the mother/daughter idea is just one of several FSC concepts being considered. The others involve much larger ships designed to be faster, stealthier and more adaptable than existing ships.

Most are using the pioneering work of the research vessel Triton, which was launched in 2000 by QinetiQ, the privatised successor to the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency.

A trimaran, it has proved the value of a ship that can go faster and save fuel by displacing less water. The US Navy has already bought two large catamaran freighters from Australia and is looking at trimaran designs.

BMT is also considering a pentamaran that would weigh about 9,000 tons and launch missiles and amphibious commando ships.

The defence ministry said: “FSC will be expected to deliver fighting power from the sea, countering the diverse and less predictable threats of the future, and therefore have adaptable response within a network-enabled environment.”

Guttorm
12-14-2003, 08:43 PM
Hmm... FUnny to see that the stuff my CO's told me is actually correct.
Small, fast boats with haevy weaponsload, that are able to operate close to shore, will be the next big thing.

Good news for the Royal Norwegian Navy, we're BASED on just that... Small, fast boats that pack a punch.

But that mothership thing... Sounds alot like what the brits allready do with HMS Sir Tristram and others like it (Was it tristram or galahad?). Where thay pack 'em full of hoovercrafts, that are deployed from them.

Not a bad idea.

Seiyuuki
12-14-2003, 08:58 PM
Is this like the floating island fortress thing I saw in Popular Mechanics?

Pojo
12-14-2003, 09:18 PM
Umm and huge force is going to be protecting this very expensive asset? I mean the carriers are pretty easy pray as is and only the huge battle group gives them a decent chance. I hate to see what kind of battle group you would need to protect that thing...

:|

Gordon
12-14-2003, 10:27 PM
Unfortunately, due to more, recent cuts in the MOD's budget, the mother ships have become baby ships that are capable of carrying six, two man, fully automised canoes. Each soldier in the canoes will be armed with a stick and two plastic cups connected with a long piece of string for immediate, real time communications.

Operation Ivy
12-14-2003, 10:45 PM
rofl

Seiyuuki
12-15-2003, 02:12 AM
rofl

mocking_loudly_died
12-15-2003, 04:13 AM
Just in, the UK has made a super stealth combat battleship that fits just one highly skilled man:

http://www.killingsheep.com/images/navymartin.jpg

Seiyuuki
12-15-2003, 05:03 AM
I love Kelly Hu.

martinexsquaddie
12-15-2003, 06:18 AM
just cause I'm doing a sea kayaking course again you have to pick on me rofl
well the prince of darkness would'nt get my vote I still remember options for change and the mess they left the railways in :(
Motherhip idea probably a good one lets face it there are no real hostile naval threats out there for the forseeable Future. That need a naval task force prepared for major ship to ship or ship to sub combat but smugglers
priacy etc are on the rise. chasing speedboats with a destroyer built to hunt russian submarines is slight overkill

marktigger
12-15-2003, 06:31 AM
yep with the budget cuts and shrinkinage the Royal Navy will probably become a small ship navy over the next 10-15 years

cut
12-15-2003, 05:26 PM
the small ships have 15-20 crew and there will be about six of them according to the sunday times paper.

they QuinetiQ three keel designs

budanski
12-15-2003, 05:31 PM
QuinetiQ is the same company thats designing the plastic tank armor?

Haiw
12-15-2003, 05:34 PM
:cantbeli:
Plastic tank armour. What's next...paper planes?

cut
12-15-2003, 05:36 PM
QuinetiQ is the same company thats designing the plastic tank armor?

they make great boats though

this is the trimaran design

http://www.trimaran.dera.gov.uk/images/frontpage.jpg


http://www.qinetiq.com/casestudies/2002/case_study37.Par.0002.ImageRef.Wide.gif

budanski
12-15-2003, 05:39 PM
:cantbeli:
Plastic tank armour. What's next...paper planes?

QuinetiQ's Plastic Tank (http://www.qinetiq.com/casestudies/2002/case_study33.html)

I read in Popular Mechanics that future U.S. warships/carriers too, may take on the trimaran designs.