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farmgirl
12-15-2003, 12:07 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=6&u=/ap/20031215/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_celebrations_and_doubt

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) should have put up a fight or committed suicide, stunned Iraqis said Sunday after watching images of their fallen leader, haggard and humiliated, in American custody.

As news of his capture spread across the country, celebratory shooting erupted in Baghdad's streets, soldiers cheered and victims of his tyranny thanked the United States. Many said it marked a new beginning for Iraq (news - web sites).

But for some, his capture was a blow to hopes for Saddam's triumphant return, and his peaceful surrender was seen as a stain on Arab honor.

"He swore before the war that Iraqis would fight America, and then he didn't fire a single shot," said Kassem Shelshul, a 28-year-old chauffeur living in Baghdad. "We expected him to commit suicide or resist," he said after watching video of the captured dictator.

It was a publicly humiliating end to a leader who for 30 years presented himself to his people only in the most monumental terms. Video released by the U.S. military showed the bearded, wild-haired leader in custody, submitting to a doctor probing his mouth with rubber-gloved hands. Though U.S. officials said Saddam had a pistol with him when he was caught, he didn't use it.

Iraqis were shocked that the man they feared for three decades was found hiding in a hole and gave up without a fight.

"For the last 35 years Saddam Hussein presented himself as a lion against the Americans and the West and now today they found him like a mouse," said Laad Hamadi, an Iraqi civil engineer. "He didn't fight for his country, he didn't even fight for himself."

Some called Saddam a coward for getting caught. Others were glad he didn't die a martyr.

"He killed my son Mohammed and he tortured his people," 40-year-old Halem al-Jassen said as she celebrated in the street. "Thank God for the United States."

In the Kurdish city of Kirkuk in the north, eight people were killed and 80 wounded from gunfire during celebrations of Saddam's capture.

But for Saddam's supporters, the day was one of loss.

Safa al-Douri, a 36-year-old grocery store owner in Adwar, the town where Saddam was captured late Saturday, said it was too painful to watch the video.

"I could not stand looking at him. When I heard the news of his arrest it was as though somebody told me my father had died," he said. "But when I saw his face, it was even worse."

In Baghdad, members of the Iraqi Communist Party, which was banned and persecuted under Saddam's rule, were simply jubilant, passing around bags of candy and raising red flags outside party headquarters.

Shiite clerics offered sweets to worshippers who attended afternoon prayers; residents of the capital burned old currency emblazoned with Saddam's photograph, radio stations played festive music and bus passengers cheered: "They got Saddam, they got Saddam."

Ayet Bassem, who wore the traditional black cloak of religious Muslim women, was overcome with relief.

"Things will be better for my son," she said, clutching the hand of 6-year-old Zenalbadin. "My son now has a future."

But her sentiment wasn't shared by all.

At Baghdad's Palestine hotel, where foreign journalists and American contract workers are staying, Abil Daoud was sad.

"We lost our only hope and now we are stuck with the Americans," said Daoud, who is employed by U.S. troops as a security guard.

After two hours of celebrations, worried shopkeepers in the capital hurried to close their businesses early and get home before the shooting increased.

Among them was Yehya Hassan.

"I'm very happy. Now we can start a new beginning."

Outside the capital, in places such as Mosul, where attacks on Americans have been particularly intense over the past two months, Noha Fakhri wanted to cry.

"I love Saddam," she said. "I had hope that he might return to power, but now I know he won't."
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AP correspondent Scheherezade Faramarzi contributed to this report from Adwar.

Shake n Bake
12-15-2003, 12:13 AM
Like most bullies..

he's really just a pussy hiding behind his army.

budanski
12-15-2003, 12:51 AM
But for some, his capture was a blow to hopes for Saddam's triumphant return, and his peaceful surrender was seen as a stain on Arab honor.

Arab honor, that's a good one. You have to be brave and honorable to send out your kids to fight your battles, hide behind kids and hospitals, and blow up random people in the streets instead of facing your opponents head-on. :roll: Anyways, I bet that wasn't all that was stained when Saddam saw those American soldiers.

The idiot jihadis haven't figured out that their leaders who are calling for them to fight to the death are a bunch of chicksh*ts. If being a martyr is such a wonderful death, the highest honor possible, and will earn you the highest possible level in heaven, why aren't the leaders of the Arab world going out and doing it? Gee, could this mean that they don't believe what they're shoveling? Who'd a thunk it?

ShotOver
12-15-2003, 06:51 AM
Yeah, "Go and die for your leader, while he sits in a palace surrounded by gold and wealth"

:roll:

Saranof
12-15-2003, 10:16 AM
But for some, his capture was a blow to hopes for Saddam's triumphant return, and his peaceful surrender was seen as a stain on Arab honor.

Arab honor, that's a good one.

Wow, that was in no way a racist comment. You know, if I had said "american honour..hah! sitting behind a computer screen directiuing bombs, instead of fighting themselves!" I would have been flamed back to the stone age

Just because the medai portaits all arabs as towelheaded jihad happy bombers dosn't mean all arabs are.
Just like all american arn't right wing extremists

Deuterium
12-15-2003, 10:32 AM
But for some, his capture was a blow to hopes for Saddam's triumphant return, and his peaceful surrender was seen as a stain on Arab honor.

Arab honor, that's a good one.

Wow, that was in no way a racist comment. You know, if I had said "american honour..hah! sitting behind a computer screen directiuing bombs, instead of fighting themselves!" I would have been flamed back to the stone age

Just because the medai portaits all arabs as towelheaded jihad happy bombers dosn't mean all arabs are.
Just like all american arn't right wing extremists

Point taken. Thanks.

duck
12-15-2003, 10:40 AM
Dubya is a different kind of man. First the combat landing on that carrier and then the fighter-bomber mission onboard Air Force One to battle the insurgents in Baghdad. At least he's seen the enemy face-to-face unlike that coward Saddam. ;)

More seriously: Most politicians are bullies only when hiding behind their armed forces.

Salty Dog
12-15-2003, 11:09 AM
In the Kurdish city of Kirkuk in the north, eight people were killed and 80 wounded from gunfire during celebrations of Saddam's capture.


that sucks. :cantbeli:

morlick
12-15-2003, 11:35 AM
http://www.crudpot.net/multimedia/pictures/Ballsy.gif
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Vance
12-15-2003, 03:53 PM
Outside the capital, in places such as Mosul, where attacks on Americans have been particularly intense over the past two months, Noha Fakhri wanted to cry.

"I love Saddam," she said. "I had hope that he might return to power, but now I know he won't."
10 bucks says she's a Sunni.

cut
12-15-2003, 03:56 PM
Like most bullies..

he's really just a pussy hiding behind his army.

so is george bush, which leader doesn't? I would have expected him to give in like that

Whistler
12-15-2003, 04:02 PM
Isn't it just typical that after telling Iraqis to not cooperate with the coalition and "fight them to the last man", Saddam gave in like a little girl as soon as he saw the first American soldier?

I have more respect for the murderous thug sons of his, at least they practiced what they preached and didn't give in like rats :D.

duck
12-15-2003, 04:26 PM
Saddam is a street thug and those guys are not really renowned for dignity. If I should name brave politicians who are not afraid of their personal safety, well, Donald Rumsfeld, John McCain, Paddy Ashdown, Colin Powell...

cut
12-15-2003, 05:34 PM
Saddam is a street thug and those guys are not really renowned for dignity. If I should name brave politicians who are not afraid of their personal safety, well, Donald Rumsfeld, John McCain, Paddy Ashdown, Colin Powell...

so any former soldier is not afraid for their personal safety, hmmm I wouldn't be so sure.