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farmgirl
12-15-2003, 06:17 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=2&u=/nm/20031215/wl_nm/iraq_britain_dc


By Andrew Cawthorne

LONDON (*******) - Washington's closest Iraq (news - web sites) war ally Britain said Monday it would play no part in any trial of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) that might lead to his execution.

But London -- which abolished capital punishment 40 years ago -- also made clear it would reluctantly accept death for the captured ex-dictator if that was what an Iraqi tribunal ruled.

"The United Kingdom is against the death penalty," Britain's senior envoy to Iraq Jeremy Greenstock said.

"So we would have no part of a tribunal or a process that had the death penalty as one of its penalties."

To the consternation of rights groups, Iraq's captured ex-dictator might face execution under a special court set up by the Iraqi Governing Council days before Saddam's capture. The United States, which is holding Saddam, allows execution.

Besides the moral issue, some fear executing Saddam would make him a martyr in parts of the Arab world.

Foreign Minister Jack Straw told reporters in London it was "very likely" Iraqis would want to try Saddam themselves.

"Domestic tribunals...should wherever possible try war criminals -- and only where that is not available or not appropriate does one make use of international courts," he said.

Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) said he had confidence in Iraqi justice. "Of course we must make sure that there is a proper and independent and fair process. But I am quite sure that the Iraqis have the capability of doing that," he told parliament.

A spokesman for Blair said London would be forced to accept Saddam's execution if it came to that.

"Were that to be the outcome, that would be something we'd have to accept," he said.

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London would understand Iraqis' motives after so much suffering under Saddam, even if it disagreed with execution in principle, Greenstock added.

"Given what he's done, in Iraqi eyes, there would be a justification to that even if we ourselves are against the death penalty. So let him be tried within his own culture," he said.

While Blair's government is delighted at Saddam's capture, it knows that unless weapons of mass destruction are found, its reputation will remain tarnished among Britons who largely feel London exaggerated Baghdad's threat to justify war.

Greenstock said it was not necessary "to rake over that old ground" but hoped Saddam himself may unlock a few clues.

"I don't accept the premise that he didn't have weapons of mass destruction. I think in due course the story will be told. Maybe he'll tell us some of it himself," he told BBC radio.

Straw, however, was less optimistic.

"Frankly I'm not holding my breath for any confessional statement from Saddam Hussein," Straw said. "He wouldn't understand the truth if he fell over it."

In line with Blair's understated tone Sunday, Straw dryly revealed he was dreaming about the European Union (news - web sites) when woken with news of the capture -- and celebrated British-style.

"I was very pleased, not to say delighted, to have good news and for it to be on a non-EU subject," he said. "I didn't leap for joy. I got out of bed to make a cup of tea."

With two car bombings in Iraq Monday reminding the world that Saddam's capture would not bring a quick end to violence, Britain warned it may well get worse in the short term.

"As we have seen yet again today, the terrorists and Saddam sympathizers will continue. And though small in number and in support, their terrorist tactics will still require vigilance, dedication and determination," Blair said.

Nevertheless, Greenstock said, Iraqis were ecstatic that "the bogeyman is no longer with them."

Ratamacue
12-15-2003, 06:20 PM
Death makes him a martyr. Throw him in a maximum-security lockup for the rest of his life.

Guttorm
12-15-2003, 08:18 PM
Agree...

Or... One could give him a taste of his own medicine... Gas him, then fix him up, shoot him, fix him up, whiping, have one of his arms eaten by a lion...

Stuff like that... :D

96B
12-15-2003, 08:43 PM
Whether he lives or dies is up to the Iraqi people. After all, those that lived under his regime for decades deserve to decide his fate.

USMarine3521
12-15-2003, 08:56 PM
Death makes him a martyr. Throw him in a maximum-security lockup for the rest of his life.

put him in a state prison....lol.....he can have some jail mates, hopefully he'll "drop the soap". :lol: rofl

DOGBERT
12-15-2003, 10:18 PM
Agree...

Or... One could give him a taste of his own medicine... Gas him, then fix him up, shoot him, fix him up, whiping, have one of his arms eaten by a lion...

Stuff like that... :D

The saying 'two wrongs don't make a right' has been around such a long time for good reasons. Why sink down to his level? However I'm not sure that I would want my tax dollars used for keeping his ass in some jail when would could just execute him.

What I'm really wondering is if his trial will get as many ratings as OJ's did... nah.

Jack Mehoff
12-15-2003, 10:21 PM
Leave him to the Iraqis

mocking_loudly_died
12-15-2003, 10:24 PM
make him promise never to be bad again and release him on bail.

DOGBERT
12-15-2003, 10:26 PM
Leave him to the Iraqis

Good idea. If they make a mistake and turn him into a martyr or break the Geneva accords it will be their fault. For once the US would get off easy :lol:

Jack Mehoff
12-15-2003, 10:33 PM
make him promise never to be bad again and release him on bail.
sure babe

Seoulstriker
12-15-2003, 10:49 PM
i have been thinking about this, and realistically, almost everyone in iraq wants saddam to be executed. let it be.

Fioraon
12-15-2003, 11:58 PM
The main reason against the death penatly is rehabilitation. This man needs to go away forever.

Combat Wombat
12-16-2003, 05:22 AM
Correct me if I'm worng, but i heard that if you bury a persons body with pigs in Islam they wont go to heaven or some such thing. If so it could be one way to solve the martyrdom issue.

marktigger
12-16-2003, 06:29 AM
i would agree with letting the Iraqis decide but let them be the ones who pull the lever,trigger etc. And let us be long gone when they do it.

grendel
12-16-2003, 07:50 AM
Or, be nice to him... :hug:

How? Make him feel important and hide him somewhere safe - maybe send him Texas where its warm and sunny, give him a ranch preferably with an oilfield (to make him feel at home). And let him watch Fox news 24/7 to "re-educate" him. Get him into a program.

Why? Just incase...
- the future Iraqi government chooses to instead do business with those pesky French, Germans, Russians and Chinese; :-*$ or
- al-Queda relocates to Iraq; :cantbeli: or
- Iraqi Shiites start being friendly to the fundamentalist Iranians :hug:

We know who to send back! He'll sort them out! :slap:
(I'm sure Mr Rumsfeld agrees with me ;) )

steel bonnet
12-16-2003, 09:10 AM
Not surprised Blair doesn`t want the death penalty on Saddam.

He won`t Get WORLD leader if he`s involved in that.
Also look at the UK,now if we still had the death penality l doubt this country would be as bleak as it is were Crime is concerned,nor would the UK be full of Druggies & dealers.

Ahh well we can dream one day the UK will take a Harder stance on Crime & Punishment.

Ja
Steel Bonnet

ShadowNeo
12-16-2003, 09:16 AM
The day the UK readvocates the death penalty will be a very sad day. We have moved on from that practice, and I for one am proud of it. Its a shame people still hold old-fashioned views like yours.

steel bonnet
12-16-2003, 09:38 AM
l`d happily drop my view on the death penality,If LAW & Order & Punishment were actually a reality in the UK.

Alas it`s NOT. We have a country that is worse than most of Europe & also worse than Most of the US.

Now considering out nations size,that scares the hell out of me. We need a Uniformed LAW Enforcement instead of Uniformed Social Workers.

Long gone are the fears of being on the wrong sode of the law. That itself is shamefull & that people seem to think having a Nation with brimming crime & No real punishment is more shocking.

Ja
Steel Bonnet

martinexsquaddie
12-16-2003, 10:32 AM
having had to work with drug addicts I can state the threat of a death sentance would'nt deter them.
Most of them Don't think there get caught if they think that far ahead :roll:
The US death sentance is abritery you can get life or you can be killed though if you can afford a half decent lawyer you probably won't fry.
whay the uk needs are police that have time to catch criminals not spending hours on paperwork for every one they catch

marktigger
12-16-2003, 11:43 AM
Comming from an area of the UK were we have had to cut police numbers due to patton guess wht crime is rising. The RUC were probably the best police force in the wold but were sacraficed to meet the demands of terrorists who's other occupation is running criminal and drugs empires

One?
12-16-2003, 12:06 PM
...and who exactly gave the right for britian or anyone else to decide what happens to saddam? His country will deal with him.

Unit-Qz52
12-16-2003, 08:58 PM
Death penalty can't possibly be considered as a deterrant. No one commits a crime of a magnitude that would warrant death thinking about they might die for it.

Death penatly effectively lets the population of sane normal people not have to pay tax money to allow that criminal to live out his days.

Plus depending on your perception, it is justice served.

From what I notice, at least in the US, you have to try awfully hard to get put to death.

As for Saddam, a competent Iraqi trial should decide his fate.

CX20
12-16-2003, 10:17 PM
whay the uk needs are police that have time to catch criminals not spending hours on paperwork for every one they catch
woot

I find the left-wing British newspapers bleating that we must take action to prevent Saddam from receiving the death penalty somewhat amusing.

Those very same publications have done nothing but carp on about anti-Imperialism and how the Iraqi people must be allowed to make their own decisions and govern themselves without outside interference. If the Iraqi people choose the death penalty, according the to the left-wing media we should override their justice system and impose our own brand of "Liberal Imperialism" to suit our own views, not those of the Iraqi people. Hypocrisy? :roll:

I also find it interesting that Amnesty International were quoted in the Daily Express today, saying how concerned they were about Saddam facing possible torture and interrogation in the hands of US forces. Yet again no mention of AI taking action against Saddam for the genocide of his own people, their immediate concern was to criticise the USA.

I'm not American and I don't support everything that the USA has done, but even I can see that this is very, very wrong.

cut
12-17-2003, 12:41 AM
...and who exactly gave the right for britian or anyone else to decide what happens to saddam? His country will deal with him.

the article doesn't say that Britain want to decide what happens to him, just that they don't agree with the death penalty like the rest of the civilised world ;)

Apogee
12-17-2003, 01:30 AM
Send him to the International Court of Justice. But at the same time, the Brits have every right to express their opinion on the capital punishment. I mean the international forum is open to anyone and as a side note, they did aid the US a great deal in the war.

And on an even less related side note, I think Combat Wombat is the best handle I've seen in a really long time.

marktigger
12-17-2003, 09:21 AM
on combat wombat is it the single shot or belt fed version ;)

http://www.mark.clubaustin.co.uk/halftonportee%20001.jpg

Argyll
12-17-2003, 09:40 AM
Belt fed was a Bast*rd especially being the No.2 ;)
A 10 round burt had a devastsing effect on the axles!!

oldsoak
12-17-2003, 09:43 AM
Britain cant very well plead with Malaysia and Singapore not to hang British drug couriers and then say hang Saddam. The other thing is we dont want to create a martyr. We also dont want someone that might be the focus of a possible hostage crisis. I'd suggest a lifetime in a looney bin. Its hard to have a great leader who's been declared criminally insane and committed to a suitably secure asylum. It has been suggested by some folks that he could be encouraged to become insane over time. Not a pleasant thought but a means of dealing with him without "killing" him. He'd be alive , but not the the Sadaam his followers would like to remember him as.

RobT
12-17-2003, 11:46 AM
Get him a big, butch boyfriend i say!