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2RHPZ
05-18-2005, 03:12 AM
Submarine Incursions in Swedish Waters during the Second Cold War

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Stavka
05-18-2005, 05:27 AM
This is interesting stuff.

Thx CAG.

Luno
05-18-2005, 08:11 AM
Interesting read :) and I have always been absolutely sure that there where not only Russian submarines playing in Swedish water. To bad that we didn’t force one up to the surface. p-)

CountZero
05-18-2005, 09:27 AM
Interesting read :) and I have always been absolutely sure that there where not only Russian submarines playing in Swedish water. To bad that we didn’t force one up to the surface. p-)

I am not sure about the truth of that statement. when I was visiting Stockholm I saw that they made a museum out of a captured russian sub so they probably captured it.

Luno
05-19-2005, 07:38 AM
Interesting read :) and I have always been absolutely sure that there where not only Russian submarines playing in Swedish water. To bad that we didn’t force one up to the surface. p-)

I am not sure about the truth of that statement. when I was visiting Stockholm I saw that they made a museum out of a captured russian sub so they probably captured it.

Are you thinking about the Russian U137 AKA ‘Whiskey on the Rocks’ ?? Yes we did get that one after it did ran aground outside a navel base The Sovjet captain was blamed for navigational mistakes.. But given today's technology it's not possible to navigate that badly so the submarine was clearly there because they ordered it to be there. Embarrassingly though it ran aground. :lol:
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/8227/ub1063qm.jpg
http://img288.echo.cx/img288/2977/ub0076ys.jpg
http://img288.echo.cx/img288/2659/ub1149tg.jpg

Notice the Viggen plane p-)
http://img288.echo.cx/img288/5980/ub0095el.jpg

Thor
07-18-2005, 01:28 AM
Sweden has substantial archipelago around Stockholm (excellent for maritime defence), but this incident took place around Karlskrona in the southern Baltic Sea. A soviet sub basically ended up on the rocks near the second most important port of the swedish navy. Navigational error was stated by the soviets and they wanted to send in their own rescue/tow-team. Our socialdemocratic government for once showed some guts and pretty much replied "don't even think about it" and more or less prepared for war (but they chose not to search the sub to avoid further provocation). At the same time the soviet captain and his lieutenants were taken to a military style interrogation at gunpoint.

This pissed of the Kreml very much but they chilled and in a few days the sub was towed out to international waters and the awaiting soviet expeditionary force. For a number of years after this the Swedish-Soviet relations were extremely bad.

Afterwards it has been stated that the soviets were perhaps telling the truth; the sub was outdated and big and it made no sense to send into this very difficult area. Some ex crew members have stated that their captain was drunk and dislocated.

The soviet sub "whiskey on the rocks" in 1981.
http://www.blekingemuseum.se/bmcd/u137/galleri/ub101.jpg

The russian captain is taken to a military interrogation, at gunpoint
http://www.blekingemuseum.se/bmcd/u137/galleri/ub113.jpg

Preparations.
http://www.blekingemuseum.se/bmcd/u137/galleri/ub104.jpg