Today's Pic's. - Dec. 16

[uri]

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Soldiers of the 4th Infantry division carry a wounded soldier to the casualty evacuation station, in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Tuesday Dec 16 2003. Three soldiers were wounded in a roadside bomb explosion in Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s hometown, but were not reported to be in serious condition. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)

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Graffiti in Tikrit : Lieutenant Colonel Steven Russell, commander of the US 4th Infantry Division's 1-22 Battalion, paints devil icons on Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) graffiti during the first night patrol after his capture in Tikrit (AFP/Mauricio Lima)

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US soldier on patrol in Baghdad. The US military confirmed that coalition forces killed 11 attackers who tried to ambush them in Samarra, west of the Iraqi capital amid an upsurge in violence in restive Iraqi towns since the capture of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).(AFP/File/Patrick Baz)

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A US soldier shows photographers the hole where toppled dictator Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was captured in Ad Dawr, near his home town of Tikrit north from Baghdad. Twin car bombs killed eight people at police stations near Baghdad diminishing the hope the capture of Saddam would end violent resistance(AFP/Mauricio Lima)

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The hole where toppled dictator Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was captured in Ad Dawr, near his home town of Tikrit north from Baghdad. Six hundred US soldiers nabbed the elusive Iraqi leader late December 13, after finding him hiding in a tiny hole dug under a small hut(AFP/Mauricio Lima)

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General view of the site of a suicide car bomb attack outside a police station on the outskirts of Baghdad, December 15, 2003. Suicide car bombs killed nine people in Iraq (news - web sites), underlining President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s warning that the capture of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) did not mean the end of conflict in Iraq. (Ali Jasim/*******)

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Chechen soldiers prepare an anti-tank grenade. A group of Chechnya (news - web sites) rebels killed nine Russian border guards after crossing into the neighboring republic of Dagestan -- reviving memories of a 1999 incursion that sparked off the second Russo-Chechen war.(AFP/File/Michael Evstfiev)

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A Russian special police forces officer guards next to a polling station in Grozny. Security measures in Chechnya (news - web sites) were tightened on Sunday as voters cast ballots to elect a deputy in the Russian parliament two days after a massive suicide blast blamed on Chechen rebels killed dozens near the war-torn republic.(AFP/Viktor Drachev)

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Russian soldiers in armored vehicles patrol the central street of the Chechen capital Grozny on December 6, 2003. Russia tightened security ahead of parliamentary poll overshadowed by a suspected suicide bomb attack that killed at least 42 people aboard a packed commuter train near rebel Chechnya (news - web sites). Photo by Adlan Khasanov/*******

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Afghan National Army soldiers take a position in a sand bunker and armored vehicles near the site of Loya Jirga, or grand council in Kabul, Afghanistan (news - web sites), Monday, Dec. 15, 2003. 500 delegates reassembled Monday at a landmark convention to debate Afghanistan's first post-Taliban constitution after an early victory for its U.S.-backed leader increased the chances they will put their fractious, war-scarred country under a strong presidency. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

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Masked Palestinian gunmen display their weapons in Nablus. Lawless armed groups flourish and establish a reign of terror in Nablus, which has become a byword for crime in the occupied territories.(AFP/File)

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Palestinians hold posters of Iraq (news - web sites)'s leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) during a demonstration in the West Bank town of Jenin. Israel hatched a plan to assassinate Saddam in 1992 after Iraq had fired missiles into Israel during the Gulf War (news - web sites) the year before, but the plan was aborted after a training exercise went wrong, Israeli newspapers reported(AFP/Saif Dahlah)

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The Israeli army has carried out a new test of a Hetz missile designed to shoot down ballistic missiles in flight. Picture shows an earlier test(AFP/File/Sven Nackstrand)

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An Israeli soldier takes up a position while army conducts house-to-house searches, in the Balata refugee camp near the West Bank city of Nablus, December 16, 2003. *******/Abed Omar Qusini


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A Palestinian man is arrested as the Israeli army conducts house-to-house searches, in the Balata refugees camp near the West Bank city of Nablus, December 16, 2003. *******/Abed Omar Qusini


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Israeli soldiers look and aim towards Palestinian stone throwers, during clashes at the Balata refugee camp in the West Bank town of Nablus Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources a 15-year-old boy was shot in the head during the clashes when Israeli soldiers opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks while troops were searching for wanted militants in the camp. The boy is in critical condition. The Israeli army is investigating the incident. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

[Javehn]

First of all , nice post , uri . Second , can someone here give a background about this ?
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Haven't heard nothing about that incident .

[uri]

First of all , nice post , uri . Second , can someone here give a background about this ?
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Haven't heard nothing about that incident .

Chechen soldiers prepare an anti-tank grenade. A group of Chechnya (news - web sites) rebels killed nine Russian border guards after crossing into the neighboring republic of Dagestan -- reviving memories of a 1999 incursion that sparked off the second Russo-Chechen war.(AFP/File/Michael Evstfiev)

Chechen rebels enter neighboring republic, kill nine

MAKHACHKALA, Russia (AFP) - A group of rebels from Chechnya (news - web sites) killed nine Russian border guards after crossing into the neighboring republic of Dagestan, reviving memories of a 1999 incursion that sparked off the second Russo-Chechen war.

Between 20 and 50 rebels entered the remote, mountainous Tsuntinksy region near Dagestan's border with Georgia around 3:00 am (midnight GMT), law enforcement officials said Monday.


Nine border guards were killed and 10 were wounded in the ensuing fight, the head of Tsuntinsky regional administration, Basyr Magomedov, told AFP.


The rebels holed themselves up in the village of Shauri for a few hours, took four people hostage at a clinic and took off with their captives in tow, Magomedov said.


"The band of about 30 people has either headed toward Chechnya or Georgia," Angela Martirosova, a spokeswoman with Dagestan's interior ministry, told AFP.


The village of Shauri lies amid the peaks of the Caucasus mountains, some 20 kilometers (13 miles) east of Dagestan's border with Georgia and 30 kilometers south of the border with Chechnya.


"Since this region is practically not patrolled by border guards, the rebels moved around freely on cars taken away from local residents," Magomedov said.


One report said local residents saw the rebels and alerted a border garrison near Shauri. A group of border guards then engaged the rebels in battle and were killed. The guerrillas cut off the head of the senior border patrol officer, Magomedov said.


"This band is very well equipped and armed," a law enforcement official told ITAR-TASS news agency.


Officials said a state of emergency had been declared in the region, roads to Chechnya and Georgia had been blocked and up to 300 additional border guards and elite interior ministry forces had been sent in as reinforcements.


The incident revived memories of August 1999, when several hundred separatist Chechen rebels stormed into Dagestan and took over two villages in a region more than a 100 kilometers north of Tsuntinsky.


The rebels said at the time they planned to establish an Islamic state in the Russian Caucasus.


The incursion lasted several weeks and sparked the second Russo-Chechen war. The then prime minister, Vladimir Putin (news - web sites), sent Russian troops into Chechnya on October 1, 1999, for what was supposed to be a lightning-strike operation to root out "terrorists."


But the war has dragged on and has settled into a guerrilla conflict that continues to claim civilian, troop and rebel lives on a nearly daily basis.


Despite the Kremlin's efforts to portray the war as over and the situation in Chechnya as returing to normal, an estimated group of 2,000 rebels continue to hide out in the mountains hugging the south of the breakaway republic.


"There is nothing unusual in this," Chechnya's presidential press office quoted the republic's security council chief, Rudnik Dudayev, as saying. "(The rebels) are always in the border area between Chechnya, Dagestan and Georgia."


Dudayev said law enforcement authorities had prevented another band of rebels crossing from Chechnya into Georgia a few days ago.

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[Undo]

"The guerrillas cut off the head of the senior border patrol officer, Magomedov said."

These are neither "guerillas" or "rebels." They are terrorists, thugs and barbarians. I have heard from Russian sources that up to 30 of the 40 or so terrorists are arab mercenaries.

My condolences to the families of the Russian MVD who were killed.

I hope thier friends catch these "rebels" soon.

[uri]

"The guerrillas cut off the head of the senior border patrol officer, Magomedov said."

These are neither "guerillas" or "rebels." They are terrorists, thugs and barbarians. I have heard from Russian sources that up to 30 of the 40 or so terrorists are arab mercenaries.

My condolences to the families of the Russian MVD who were killed.

I hope thier friends catch these "rebels" soon.

It's a common mistake, made almost by everyone who hadn't felt the
horror of terror. There are no "militants", "rebels" or "guerillas", there are
only TERRORISTS.

[Salty Dog]

i really enjoy all the pictures of the IDF that people submit onto this website. nice pitures.

[Kingpin]

First of all , nice post , uri . Second , can someone here give a background about this ?
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Haven't heard nothing about that incident .

Idiots surround us. Men on this pic are Dagestani volunteers issued with weapons and preparing to search Chechen bandits in mountains.

[Eddie]

Let me try this...
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Soldiers from the Indonesian Navy look on as a bomb from World War II is safely imploded by the military in the Java Sea, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003, off the coast of Surabaya, Indonesia. (AP Photo/Trisnadi)

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Comedian Robin Williams (news) performs for American troops at the U.S. base in Baghdad's international airport in Iraq (news - web sites) Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003 . (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)

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Comedian Robin Williams performs for American troops gathered for a U.S. military entertainment show at Baghdad's international airport, Iraq (news - web sites) Tuesday Dec. 16, 2003 . (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)

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U.S. solders laugh while being entertained by comedian Robin Williams, at the Baghdad airport, December 16, 2003. *******/Petar Kujundzic

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Indian policemen patrol near the border with Bhutan in Kumargram, 220 km (136 miles) north of the northeastern Indian city of Siliguri, on December 15, 2003. Thousands of Indian troops backed by helicopters sealed the border with Bhutan to help the Bhutanese army flush out anti-Indian guerrillas from camps on its soil. *******/Rupak De Chowdhuri

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An Indian army officer displays a seized pen-pistol and its bullets, coated with lethal chemicals, in Srinagar, December 16, 2003. The pen-pistol was found at a rebel hide-out in northern Kashmir, an army spokesman said. *******/Fayaz Kabli

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An Indian soldier speaks to passengers entering India at a border checkpost with Bhutan in Sandrup Jongkhar, some 80 km (49 miles) south of Guwahati, the major city of India's northeastern state of Assam, December 16, 2003. Thousands of Indian troops backed by helicopters sealed the border with Bhutan on Tuesday to help the Bhutanese army flush out anti-Indian guerrillas from camps on its soil. *******/Utpal Baruah

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Indian troops patrol near fencing on the de facto border with Pakistan in Kashmir.(AFP/File/Sajjad Hussain)

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An RAF Regiment armed Land Rover on patrol near Basrah Airport


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A Royal Navy Training Team has responsibility for training the Iraqi River Police Service

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Trainee River Policemen practise their search techniques on members of the Training Team

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A Royal Navy craft accompanies a high speed river patrol on the Shatt Al Arab

And finally:
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This image obtained courtesy of Hero Builders (HB) shows the new captured Saddam Hussein doll. The 12-inch Saddam action figure, with an Ace of Spades t-shirt retails for about 30 dollars(AFP/HO-HB)

[uri]

i really enjoy all the pictures of the IDF that people submit onto this website. nice pitures.

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An Israeli soldier looks at a Palestinian man in one of Balata refugee camp's narrow streets where the Israeli army said it was conducting a routine operation to arrest Palestinian activists(AFP/Jaafar Ashtiyeh)

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An Israeli soldier gestures to keep journalists back during a search operation at the Balata refugee camp in the West Bank town of Nablus Tuesday Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources a 15-year-old boy was shot in the head during clashes during the operation when Israeli soldiers opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks. The boy is in critical condition. According to the army only rubber bullets were used. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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Israeli soldiers stand in a doorway during a search operation at the Balata refugee camp in the West Bank town of Nablus Tuesday Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources a 15-year-old boy was shot in the head when Israeli soldiers opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks against troops during the operation. The boy is in critical condition. According to the army only rubber bullets were used. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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A Palestinian boy stands next to a gunman during the funeral of Younis Sawarka and Wael Dahroz at a mosque in the Jabaliya refugee camp, northern Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. Israeli troops shot and killed the two unarmed Palestinians early Monday when they tried to infiltrate Israel from the Gaza Strip. Egyptian mediators arived in Gaza Tuesday to restart talks among Palestinian factions about a halt to attacks against Israelis. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)


btw, nice Robin Williams pics :)

[Salty Dog]

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that is so weird, considering that i just watched that movie "one hour photo" ......creepy....

[He219]

Nice pic's, guys....
:D

Some more (ignore any repeats):

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An Israeli flag flutters over the outpost known as Migron near the Jewish settlement of Psagot east of the West Bank town of Ramallah Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. Some 40 Jewish families living in the outpost are preparing for a showdown with the authorities as the outpost is slated for removal by the government. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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Jewish settlers pray at the synagogue of the outpost next to the Jewish settlemet of Psagot, east of the West Bank town of Ramallah Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. Some 40 Jewish families living in the outpost are preparing for a showdown with the authorities as the outpost is slated for removal by the government. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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Israeli soldiers look and aim towards Palestinian stone throwers, during clashes at the Balata refugee camp in the West Bank town of Nablus Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources a 15-year-old boy was shot in the head during the clashes when Israeli soldiers opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks while troops were searching for wanted militants in the camp. The boy is in critical condition. The Israeli army is investigating the incident. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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An Israeli soldier gestures to keep journalists back during a search operation at the Balata refugee camp in the West Bank town of Nablus Tuesday Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources a 15-year-old boy was shot in the head during clashes during the operation when Israeli soldiers opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks. The boy is in critical condition. According to the army only rubber bullets were used. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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Ahmed Emran, a 15-year-old boy, left, screams as his twin brother Noor-Eddine, who was critically wounded in the head, is carried by a medical worker to an ambulance after being shot at the Balata refugee camp adjacent to the West Bank town of Nablus, Tuesday Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources the boy was shot by Israeli soldiers who opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks while troops were searching for wanted militants in the camp. The Israeli army is investigating the incident. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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A Palestinian man is arrested as the Israeli army conducts house-to-house searches, in the Balata refugees camp near the West Bank city of Nablus, December 16, 2003. *******/Abed Omar Qusini

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An Iraqi man gestures as he speaks about a bomb explosion with U.S. soldier Sgt. 1st Class Gilbert Nail of Clayton, Okla., from the 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Division in Tikrit, Iraq, Tuesday, Dec 16 2003. Three U.S. soldiers were wounded Tuesday in a roadside bomb explosion in Saddam Hussein's hometown. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)

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An American soldier from Charlie Company,1st Battalion, 22nd Regiment, (1-22) of the 4th Infantry Division secures an area near the government building in Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. Three U.S. soldiers were wounded in a roadside bomb explosion in Saddam Hussein's hometownof Tikrit today. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)

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Sgt. Antonio R. Carrizales from Joliet, Illinois, of the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division, secures an area near the government building in Tikrit, north of Baghdad, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. Three U.S. soldiers were wounded in a roadside bomb explosion in Saddam Hussein's hometown today. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)

For Operation Ivy ... ;)
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A US Abrams tank goes through the street during a big patrol conducted by soldiers of the 1-22 Battalion of the 4th Infantry Division, in downtown of Tikrit, 180 kms (110 miles) North of Baghdad.(AFP/Mauricio Lima)

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US troops have shot dead 11 attackers (http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT2E85B9E3156B1AA70C77DC793E712B70?source=templategenerator&template=worldphotos/viewphoto.txt) who tried to ambush them this morning. The attempted ambush happened in the western Iraqi city of Samarra when two men on a motorbike, using children emerging from a school as cover, fired automatic weapons at a passing US patrol. (***** Images)

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About 500 Afghan delegates, including 100 women from all over Afghanistan, gather to attend loya jirga, or Grand Council, to ratify Afghanistan's first post-Taliban constitution, Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 in Kabul, Afghanistan .(AP Photo/B.K.Bangash)

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Sibghatullah Mujadeddi, former President of Afghanistan and Chairman of the loya jirga, or grand council, presides over the third day of sessions in Kabul, Afghanistan on Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. Some 500 delegates from all over the country gathered in Kabul for the loya jirga, to ratify Afghanistan's first post-Taliban constitution. (AP Photo/B.K.Bangash)

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An Afghan National Army soldier sits in a bunker at an intersection near the venue of Loya Jirga, or grand council, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003, in Kabul, Afghanistan. Afghan government heightened security as 500 delegates gathered from all over the country to draft a constitution. (AP Photo/Amir Shah)

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Delegates from the Constitutional Loya Jirga disembark a CH-47 Chinook helicopter which landed on the newly completed "Ring Road" on Dec. 16, 2003. The delegates were arriving to participate in a ceremony marking the dedication of the first phase of the highway project, a five hundred kilometer section, linking Kabul with Khandahar. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. 1st Class Joe Belcher)

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai speaks during thr inauguration of the Kabul-Kandahar highway in Durani 27 miles, (43 kms) southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. The 482-kilometer (300-mile) highway from the capital to Kandahar, the Taliban's former southern stronghold, is the country's main route. About one-third of the population lives within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the road. Resurfacing has cut travel time between the two Afghan cities from 16 to about six hours. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)


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Afghan President Hamid Karzai, center in brown robe, cuts a ribbon to inaugurate the Kabul-Kandahar highway at Durani 43 kilometers (27 miles) southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. The 482-kilometer (300-mile) highway from the capital to Kandahar, the Taliban's former southern stronghold, is the country's main route. About one-third of the population lives within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the road. Resurfacing has cut travel time between the two Afghan cities from 16 to about six hours. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

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Afghan soldiers stand guard during the inauguration of the Kabul-Kandahar highway in Durani, 43 kilometers southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. The 482-kilometer (300-mile) highway from the capital to Kandahar, the Taliban's former southern stronghold, is the country's main route. About one-third of the population lives within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the road. Resurfacing has cut travel time between the two Afghan cities from 16 to about six hours, helping knit the country and its devastated economy back together. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

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Two Afghan soldiers walk down a portion of the Kabul-Kandahar highway, on Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. Afghan President Hamid Karzai inaugurated the Kabul-Kandahar highway at Durani 43 kilometers (27 miles) southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan on Tuesday. The 482-kilometer (300-mile) highway from the capital to Kandahar, the Taliban's former southern stronghold, is the country's main route. About one-third of the population lives within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the road. Resurfacing has cut travel time between the two Afghan cities from 16 to about six hours. . (CP PHOTO/Terry Pedwell)

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Afghan soldiers walk past a U.S. armored vehicle after the inauguration of Kabul-Kandahar highway in Durani, 43 kilometers southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. The 482-kilometer (300-mile) highway from the capital to Kandahar, the Taliban's former southern stronghold, is the country's main route. About one-third of the population lives within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the road. Resurfacing has cut travel time between the two Afghan cities from 16 to about six hours. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

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Troops of the Afghan Special Forces patrol, in this Sept. 28, 2003 file photo in northern Kandahar, Afghanistan. Aid groups are pulling out of Afghanistan's poppy-producing belt--the biggest source of the world's heroin, because of a pattern of violence they believe is aimed at keeping post-war rebuilding efforts bogged down and the drug trade booming. (AP Photo/Noor Khan, File)

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Washington, D.C. (Dec. 4, 2003) -- U.S. Navy Ceremonial Guard Sailors march in place during a full honors ceremony on behalf of visiting Vice Adm. Yedidia Ya'ari, Commander in Chief, Israel Navy, conducted at the Washington Navy Yard's Navy Museum. U.S. Navy photo by Chief Photographer's Mate Johnny Bivera. (RELEASED)

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Washington, D.C. (Dec. 4, 2003) -- Adm. Vern Clark, Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), far right, presents Vice Adm. Yedidia Ya'ari, Commander in Chief, Israel Navy, with the Legion of Merit during a full honors ceremony on his behalf at the Washington Navy Yard's Navy Museum, escorted by Rear Adm. Jan C. Gaudio, Commandant of Naval District Washington. U.S. Navy photo by Chief Photographer's Mate Johnny Bivera. (RELEASED)

My 'backyard', Surfside ...
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Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach, Calif. (Dec. 15, 2003) -- The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) arrives at Naval Weapons Station (NWS) Seal Beach, to onload ammunitions. Navy Weapons Station Seal Beach serves as the Navy’s primary West Coast ordnance storage, loading and maintenance location. An average of 80 vessels visit NWS Seal Beach each year to receive and offload various weapons, ammunition, and countermeasure devices. U.S. Navy photo by Journalist 2nd Class Brian Brannon. (RELEASED)

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Souda Bay, Crete, Greece (Dec. 16, 2003) – The guided missile frigate USS Doyle (FFG 39) is assisted by Greek tugs as she arrives for a brief port visit in Souda Bay, Crete, Greece. Doyle is part of NATO's Immediate Reaction Force, Standing Naval Force Atlantic (STANAVFORLANT) operating in the Eastern Mediterranean under Operation Active Endeavour, NATO's maritime contribution to the fight against international terrorism. U.S. Navy photo by Paul Farley. (RELEASED)

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Souda Bay, Crete, Greece (Dec. 16, 2003) -- The guided missile frigate USS Doyle (FFG 39) is assisted by Greek tugs as she arrives for a brief port visit in Souda Bay, Crete, Greece. Doyle is part of NATO's Immediate Reaction Force, Standing Naval Force Atlantic (STANAVFORLANT) operating in the Eastern Mediterranean under Operation Active Endeavour, NATO's maritime contribution to the fight against international terrorism. U.S. Navy photo by Paul Farley. (RELEASED)

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Souda Bay, Crete, Greece (Dec. 16, 2003) – The Los Angeles class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Memphis (SSN 691) heads out to sea following a brief port visit at Souda Bay, Crete, Greece. U.S. Navy photo by Paul Farley. (RELEASED)

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NORTH FUJI MANEUVERING AREA, Japan - After receiving a firing mission, Lance Cpl. Sean T. Wells, gunner for T Battery, 5th Battalion, 10th Marine Regiment, currently attached to 3rd Battalion, 12th Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division on the Unit Deployment Program to Okinawa, adjusts the sights on an M198, 155mm Howitzer to precisely hit his target

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MT. FUJI. Japan - Lance Cpl. Nicholas W. Miller, a field radio operator with Tango Battery, 5th Battalion, 10th Marines, temporarily attached to 3rd Bn., 12th Marines, for a Unit Deployment Program, sends target information over the hooks for the battery's gun line during a live fire exercise near the base of Mt. Fuji Dec. 4, 2003.

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NORTH FUJI MANEUVERING AREA, Japan- While rounds are impacting their designated targets, Lance Cpl. Ryan P. Scott, scout observer, and 2nd Lt. Matthew J. Agnoli, forward observer, both for T Battery, 5th Battalion, 10th Marine Regiment currently assigned to 3/12, 3rd Marine Division, watch to make the proper adjustments for the firing line. The forward observer position is nearly 1,500 meters from the impact area and provides a close-up view of the rounds impacting.

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OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM -- (Clockwise from left) Staff Sgt. C.D. Schmeid, Airman 1st Class Dustin Sharpmack, 1st Lt. Trace Dotson and Capt. Troy Panon display an 86-by-76-inch handmade American Flag. The one-of-a-kind flag was designed and created by Iowa school students as part of the "Hand on America" project. The crew displayed the flag on a flight over Iraq on Dec. 9. The airmen are all part of a KC-10 Extender crew who are at a forward-deployed location. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Brandi Branch)

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Rhode Island Army National Guard Special Forces Group Master Sgt. Kenny Mellor, second from left, hugs his children Joseph, left, and Kara, center, as his wife Vicki looks on after getting off a C-130 plane that landed at Quonset Point airfield Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003, in North Kingstown, R.I. Mellor and The Company A, 2nd Battalion, 19th Special Forces Group returned from a nine-month tour in Kosovo. (AP Photo/Victoria Arocho)

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General Chuck Yeager, one of the 100 heroes of aviation, talks with reporters, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003, in Kill Devil Hills, N.C., during the First Flight Centennial celebration held to honor the Wright Brothers and 100 years of flight. (AP Photo/Grant Halverson)

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Spectators escort the 1903 Wright Flyer back to its hangar area after a test session Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003, in Kill Devil Hills, N.C., during the First Flight Centennial. The replica is to fly Wednesday, Dec. 17, to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers' first flight. (AP Photo/Bob Jordan)

[Operation Ivy]

woot woot woot todays pics must always include tank pics for the new ppl at this :D He219 knows this ;) ...Great Job Guys!

[TheBenz]

nice.. :D

[FallenAngel]

Seal Beach! woot ! Just drove past there yesterday on my way home from UC Irvine ;)

[He219]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=494446
ID help, please! :D

An American sharp shooter keeps a close vigil from a rooftop at the inauguration site of Kabul-Kandahar highway in Durani, 43 kilometers southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. The 482-kilometer (300-mile) highway from the capital to Kandahar, the Taliban's former southern stronghold, is the country's main route. About one-third of the population lives within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the road. Resurfacing has cut travel time between the two Afghan cities from 16 to about six hours. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

[Seoulstriker]

SFOD-D. :P


i have no idea. his rifle is a Mk12 mod 0 SPR with a freaking long suppressor.

[Bulkowski]

Seal Beach! woot ! Just drove past there yesterday on my way home from UC Irvine ;)
I used to live in Irvine, on Bryan and Culver...

anyway, that pen gives a new meaning to pocket rocket :D
also, Afghan Special Forces?

[ShotOver]

Afghan SF, are probally old Mujadeen soldiers, or Northern Alliance troops with the most combat experience.
Given a little bit more training in patroling, and stuff like that.

[Fox2]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=494017


"Can you tell me where I can find the disco?"

[maw]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=494446

ID help, please!

Quote:
An American sharp shooter keeps a close vigil from a rooftop at the inauguration site of Kabul-Kandahar highway in Durani, 43 kilometers southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. The 482-kilometer (300-mile) highway from the capital to Kandahar, the Taliban's former southern stronghold, is the country's main route. About one-third of the population lives within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the road. Resurfacing has cut travel time between the two Afghan cities from 16 to about six hours. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

Seoulstriker wrote:
"his rifle is a Mk12 mod 0 SPR with a freaking long suppressor."

negative on that one. it's a sr25 (look at the magazine), it's either a 24" barrel plain jane or a mk11 with the knight's can. it does appear to have knight's rings for the simrad sight, which would make me lean towards the mk11. however, when i zoom i don't see the pop up front sights on top of the gas block, which pushes me back to a 24' plain jane. also, when i zoom, the pixels around the barrel start coming through, meaning it's not a can but a heavy barrel (not quite as thick as a can).
if i were a betting man i'd say 24" plain jane with knight's rings.

[uri]

Nice pic's, guys....
:D

Some more (ignore any repeats):

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Ahmed Emran, a 15-year-old boy, left, screams as his twin brother Noor-Eddine, who was critically wounded in the head, is carried by a medical worker to an ambulance after being shot at the Balata refugee camp adjacent to the West Bank town of Nablus, Tuesday Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources the boy was shot by Israeli soldiers who opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks while troops were searching for wanted militants in the camp. The Israeli army is investigating the incident. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)



I just wonder, if the boy is really "critically wounded in the head",
why the medic stand stiil with him on his hands, posing for the camera
while the boy "bleeding to death", and NOT running to an ambulance?

[ShotOver]

Showing him off infront of a camera, they dont care about the boy. Just want to make Israel look bad.

:)

[Miles Teg]

Make change in the fact that the boy is critically wounded?

[ShotOver]

Were you there frenchy?

No. So shut ya pie hole.

[Miles Teg]

As you.

You make subjective judgement, I relieve the facts.


:cantbeli: of course I've forgot, I'm gays airsofter.

[ShotOver]

Who can't speak english well.. :roll:

[Miles Teg]

Let me believe the probability that my english is better than your french.
And the fact your are allways avoiding the main subject.

[uri]

Make change in the fact that the boy is critically wounded?
By the way the medic stands, posing to the camera, not in hurry to give medical attention to the boy, I don't think that the boy is unjured at all.
It's a fact that Pals have used before "paint injures" to make some nasty propaganda...

[ShotOver]

Oh yer, back to the subject...

You wernt there, neither was i. Palestinian's always show off their "wounded" to press, even if it's fake blood.

Ask any X or currently serving IDF soldier, and they will tell you.

[Miles Teg]

You wasn't there too.

And if it wasn't false blood?
A lot of children across the world can (oups they can't now :cantbeli: ) tell you.

[uri]

Oh yer, back to the subject...

You wernt there, neither was i. Palestinian's always show off their "wounded" to press, even if it's fake blood.

Ask any X or currently serving IDF soldier, and they will tell you.

X - is a dead one... a "waisted" soldier...

1. I just told that, as a "X" :)

2. we don't have X's, we serve the country almost the entire life,
at start it's 3 full years, and than 1 month every year. :( till the age of 40+
There is nothing like 1 month in Gaza Strip in a middle of semester... :cantbeli:

[ShotOver]

Sorry mate, i ment a soldier who has come out of the army.

We cal our soldiers who have retired or left, X's

[uri]

Sorry mate, i ment a soldier who has come out of the army.

We cal our soldiers who have retired or left, X's

it's ok, just kiddin' around :hug:

but, i can tell you, from the bottom of my heart, as an IDF (X) soldier -
we never shoot innocent people (not just children), but if there will
be a kid with a gun - he'll be shot.

I saw once a 15 years old palestinian boy, riding a bike, making a suicide act on our post. 15 yo ! :(

[ShotOver]

Yeah man, some weird people.

How long were you infantry for?

[S'13]

It's a fact that Pals have used before "paint injures" to make some nasty propaganda...

I remember watching a vedio which was released to the press by the PA. In it, according to the Palestinians, you saw "the victims of Israeli nerve gas". What I saw were a few men laying on hospital beds and acting as if they were having a seizure (unconvincingly of course). It was so ridiculous yet at the same time so pathetic.

[uri]

Yeah man, some weird people.

How long were you infantry for?

like i told you - 3 years, paratroopers, ATGM platoon.
since then - 1 month a year.

[ShotOver]

Stay safe mate :hug:

[uri]

Stay safe mate :hug:

thanks mate, see ya in 2 years !
(just finish my degree, couple month of hard work... and I'm in Australia ! cost to coast.. )
woot

[ShotOver]

Whats your degree in?

[uri]

Whats your degree in?

Computer Science
http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/rough/smileydies.gif

[Miles Teg]

I saw once a 15 years old palestinian boy, riding a bike, making a suicide act on our post. 15 yo !

:(
Poor victim of enrolment and extremist brainwash.


we never shoot innocent people (not just children), but if there will
be a kid with a gun - he'll be shot.
Good. Despite the situation try to keep cool and still professional. Don't make something stupid and return safe.

[Seoulstriker]

Nice pic's, guys....
:D

Some more (ignore any repeats):

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=493848

Ahmed Emran, a 15-year-old boy, left, screams as his twin brother Noor-Eddine, who was critically wounded in the head, is carried by a medical worker to an ambulance after being shot at the Balata refugee camp adjacent to the West Bank town of Nablus, Tuesday Dec. 16, 2003. According to Palestinian sources the boy was shot by Israeli soldiers who opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks while troops were searching for wanted militants in the camp. The Israeli army is investigating the incident. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)



I just wonder, if the boy is really "critically wounded in the head",
why the medic stand stiil with him on his hands, posing for the camera
while the boy "bleeding to death", and NOT running to an ambulance?

notice the thickness and color tones of the 'blood'. where exactly is this kid injured again? head shots usually rip completely through the head and cause severe cranial fractures, usually leading to 'brain mass' loss.

either:

1) the kid was shot and is incredibly lucky because he suffered no head trauma

or

2) the kid was 'injured' by his fellow palestinians in a tragic paintball accident. ;)

[ShotOver]

Cheers Doc, i was going to point that out.

I see no entry wound, and the IDF have 5.56's and such, that would leave no back of the head.

Maybe it was shrapnel?

[Javehn]

The fact is , that maybe even that boy is injured .Take a look on that posing and moddeling , and also an ammount of Video cameras arround . Is that a way to treat injured boy, if he is infact injured ?

I have this movie with so called "Gaz attack" (man, that film is hallarios , they don't even trying to convince on that one ) , but i can't find it on web . So i bring another movie , with explosive belt that have been found in palestinian Ambulance . Full thanks and credit goes to Uri .

http://uri.staff.fresh.co.il/army/ExplosiveBeltInAmbulance.wmv

[ShotOver]

You you IDF blokes were talking about how the Palestinians fake wounds to look good infront of cameras.. it's really sad what they do.

[uri]

The fact is , that maybe even that boy is injured .Take a look on that posing and moddeling , and also an ammount of Video cameras arround . Is that a way to treat injured boy ?

I have this movie with so called "Gaz attack" (man, that film is hallarios , they don't even trying to convince on that one ) , but i can't find it on web . So i bring another movie , with explosive belt that have been found in palestinian Ambulance . Full thanks and credit goes to Uri .

http://uri.staff.fresh.co.il/army/ExplosiveBeltInAmbulance.wmv

You can send your movie to my email: uri@fresh.co.il
i'll be glad to upload it for you (if it's not too big)


Seoulstriker: Wasss up Doc ?! ;)

[Seoulstriker]

Cheers Doc, i was going to point that out.

I see no entry wound, and the IDF have 5.56's and such, that would leave no back of the head.

Maybe it was shrapnel?



According to Palestinian sources the boy was shot by Israeli soldiers who opened fire against a group of youths throwing rocks while troops were searching for wanted militants in the camp.

i'm sure the same palestinian sources were the ones who 'injured' this boy. the 'head trauma' was made to look like a rifle bullet went straight into his head. (notice the boy behind him screaming into the camera). i'm not familiar with shrapnel wounds. are you referring to the shrapnel from a grenade of a bullet that hit something and then fragmented and hit him?

if he were shot in the forehead (which is what the 'attackers' were probably intending), he wouldn't have a back of the head and the 'blood' would not have dried so quickly. likewise, if he were shot in the back of the head, he would have no forehead. (notice the other kid behind him who is like 'WTF, mate?')


why do i have to go into such details when you just have to look at the color tones and thickness of the 'blood'.


can any israelis give me authentic photos of palestinian medic uniforms?

[Miles Teg]

what's the source of the picture?

[Seoulstriker]

The fact is , that maybe even that boy is injured .Take a look on that posing and moddeling , and also an ammount of Video cameras arround . Is that a way to treat injured boy ?

I have this movie with so called "Gaz attack" (man, that film is hallarios , they don't even trying to convince on that one ) , but i can't find it on web . So i bring another movie , with explosive belt that have been found in palestinian Ambulance . Full thanks and credit goes to Uri .

http://uri.staff.fresh.co.il/army/ExplosiveBeltInAmbulance.wmv

You can send your movie to my email: uri@fresh.co.il
i'll be glad to upload it for you (if it's not too big)


Seoulstriker: Wasss up Doc ?! ;)



http://www.vaxxine.com/sparrow/other-folder/bugs.jpg

:D :hug:

[Seoulstriker]

what's the source of the picture?



Nasser Ishtayeh

;)

[ShotOver]

yeah, it's a big suss... looks like a "paste" because the blood is really, really think on his forehead.

I was thinking maybe a rock or somthing hit his head.

If it is fake, that crying boy is a good actor. :|

[Miles Teg]

Now I feel split (can i say that?) for this picture.
This child can be shoot by "plastic" bullet.

But the doc looks very young.

What's your adivce about blood seoulstriker?

[uri]

can any israelis give me authentic photos of palestinian medic uniforms?
I don't think that there is such thing as "palestinian medic uniforms", you can
just put a T-shirt with a red moon on it - now you are a medic.



Maybe it was shrapnel?

Let's say for a moment that the injury isn't fake...
yep, it may be a shrapel, but - why stand posing the camera?


Now I feel split (can i say that?) for this picture.
This child can be shoot by "plastic" bullet.

But the doc looks very young.

1. we use live ammunition when we go on arrest assignments, not rubber bullets.
(the boy was "shot" during this kind of activity)
2. the young doc don't have to be a doctor, he can be a simple paramedic.

[Miles Teg]

Don't have stop advice on this pic, just analyzing point by point.

For me this paramedic is not standing, but we can't prove he is walking. hard to say with a pics.


Sure it can't be a plastic bullet?

If he's really hurt it's maybe by "friendly fire"

[Javehn]

Rubber bullets used only in riot situation , and mostly by border police (Magav) , and some Millitary police unit that serve in west bank. On operations , like extraction of wanted, or on this case , that particular operation , IDF is using life bullets , and heavy machinery ( because the fire is shot back , and it's very real ) .
By the way , Uri , the movie is supposed to be at your Email now . I think ...

[Seoulstriker]

Now I feel split (can i say that?) for this picture.
This child can be shoot by "plastic" bullet.

But the doc looks very young.

What's your adivce about blood seoulstriker?


plastic bullets do not cause severe bloody injuries like this. the amount of 'blood' you see on this boy is similar to the amount of blood you would see for any head shot with small to medium sized caliber bullets.


these are my observations:
fresh blood is much darker than this and dried blood is even darker than the fresh. blood does not curdle and form 'chunks' like in the kids hair. blood is extremely fluid, made mostly of water. it should be streaming down his the side of his head from the source of the blood, but it's just forming 'patches' and 'chunks' on his forehead, jacket, and temple area.

actually, now that i'm looking more and more at it, it looks extremely similar to a real head wound minus the actual wound. the blood patterns are pretty accurate except for that damn curdling. blood does not curdle, you people!

they should probably use a thinner paint when making the injuries. it would make it seem more realistic (like this one):

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/palestinian%20shot.jpg

[Miles Teg]

Please seaoulstriker, can you use more simple english.
I think you are unsing some ironic sentences.
Sorry, but with your answer I didn't understand if you think this wound is real or not.

[Seoulstriker]

For me this paramedic is not standing, but we can't prove he is walking. hard to say with a pics.


the paramedic orientates the boy and himself to the camera for maximum exposure. the 'brother' is screaming into the camera.

posed? maybe. maybe it's just typical propaganda from the propaganda machine known as the PA.

[Seoulstriker]

Please seaoulstriker, can you use more simple english.
I think you are unsing some ironic sentences.
Sorry, but with your answer I didn't understand if you think this wound is real or not.

sorry about that, i was just listing my thoughts as i looked closely at the picture.

main points:

1) plastic bullets wouldn't cause that kind of injury.

2) the blood on the boy is thick (or curdled) and is a very light tone (unlike typical fresh or dried blood).

3) the patterns of the blood on the medic and his brother make it seem like it's a fresh wound, making it look accurate, except for the fact that you would be seeing streams of blood from an 'exit wound' or 'entrance wound' which I can not identify from this photo.

[Miles Teg]

Thanks,
I like how you are giving answer without biasing the advice of your interoluctor. Just facts, great

I think I've learning something today, I will be more carefull about the veracity of casualties report from palestinian sources.

[Seoulstriker]

Thanks,
I like how you are giving answer without biasing the advice of your interoluctor. Just facts, great

I think I've learning something today, I will be more carefull about the veracity of casualties report from palestinian sources.


well, you have to be very careful there: palestinian children being shot are almost always false in some way. as a soldier stated above, they would only shoot if the child had a weapon and was firing at the troops. palestinian men getting shot is much more likely because they would be involved in actually attacking the troops, not being propaganda for the PA. :hug: