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He219
12-16-2003, 10:19 PM
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Iraq's Minister Says U.N. Failed His Nation (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/un_iraq)

UNITED NATIONS - Iraq (news - web sites)'s foreign minister accused the United Nations (news - web sites) on Tuesday of failing to rescue his country from Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s 35-year "murderous tyranny." He urged the world body not to fail Iraq again and to return to help build a democratic nation.

But Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said he needed "much greater clarity" on what the Iraqis and the U.S.-led coalition expect of the United Nations. That would help, Annan said, to gauge whether the job (news - web sites) was worth the risk to U.N. staff.

Annan pulled all U.N. international staff out of Iraq in October after two bombings at U.N. headquarters in Baghdad and a series of attacks on humanitarian organizations. The first bombing on Aug. 19 killed 22 people, including top U.N. envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello.

Annan presented the Security Council with a report — issued last week — in which he said Iraq remained too dangerous to reopen the Baghdad U.N. office. Instead, he said, the world body would open an Iraq office in Nicosia, Cyprus, and an annex in Amman, Jordan, with staff traveling to Iraq as needed. The operation will be under the leadership of newly named acting envoy Ross Mountain.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said the Iraqi Governing Council understood "the devastating losses that the U.N. suffered" but said the world body needed to return to play an expanded role in helping to establish a provisional Iraqi government in June, draft a constitution, and prepare for general elections by the end of 2005

The United Nations has always worked in "war-torn regions and crisis areas — and Iraq is one of them," he stressed.

"The United Nations is the key forum for collective international action (news - web sites) to help us achieve our goals of restructuring and democratizing our country," he told the council. "Your help and expertise cannot be effectively delivered from Cyprus or Amman."

"We are ready and willing to help provide whatever security is required to see it return to Iraq," he said, adding later that "the Interior Ministry can provide whatever aid or help is needed to improve security for the U.N."

Zebari invited Mountain, the new U.N. envoy, to visit Baghdad and discuss the U.N.'s role with the Governing Council — a move U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte called "a good first step."

But Annan said he wasn't sure Zebari was "in a position to offer that security," though he would be happy if he could. He said he planned to ask Zebari about the security offer and specifics of the U.N. role at a meeting late Tuesday.

While paying tribute to the United Nations and its humanitarian relief efforts that helped millions of Iraqis during recent years, Zebari accused the world body of failing to take action to oust Saddam.

"One year ago, the Security Council was divided between those who wanted to appease Saddam Hussein and those who wanted to hold him accountable," he said. "The United Nations as an organization failed to help rescue the Iraqi people from a murderous tyranny that lasted over 35 years. Today we are unearthing thousands of victims in horrifying testament to that failure."

"The U.N. must not fail the Iraqi people again," Zebari said. "So we ask you today, please put aside your differences, pull together and work with us and all those who have contributed and sacrificed so much to realize our shared objective of a sovereign, united and democratic Iraq."

The Iraqi minister said afterwards that "we were critical of not only the U.N. but many other nations ... for doing nothing to help us overcome those years of dictatorship and tyranny and utlmost brutality."

Asked about the criticism, Annan said "this is not time to pin blame and point fingers when everybody is trying to figure out how creatively we can organize ourselves to help the Iraqis."

Annan urged the international community to ensure the restoration of sovereignty to the 26 million Iraqis which he stressed would "define the future of their country."

While there may not be time to organize elections early next year, Annan said, "it is essential that the process leading to the formation of a provisional government is fully inclusive and transparent" and that every segment of Iraqi society feels represented.

ShotOver
12-16-2003, 11:16 PM
Hes right, U.N did fail Iraq. Saddam should of been kicked out, the country should of been rescued years ago.

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 03:42 AM
Like in 1991?

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 03:45 AM
1991 if i remember correctly was to drive the Iraqi army out of Kuwait, and then destroy all they found.

Was not a attempt to remove the current government.

:roll:

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 03:51 AM
I think the 2003 campaign was for finding WMD, not an attempt to remove the current government. :roll:

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 03:53 AM
Yes that was on of the priorities, to remove saddams government from power.




b.t.w, Airsoft is gay.

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 03:58 AM
b.t.w, Airsoft is gay.

Yes, and I assume it. :D

And after...?

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 04:00 AM
What are you going on about?

The first gulf war wasnt a war to change the Government in Iraq. The second one was, It's main priorities were to locate the WMD's and remove Saddam and his government from power.

:roll:

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 04:12 AM
Stop rolleyes and explain what is the difference between the situation in 1991 and 2003?

You will say in 1991 it was a declared war.

But the facts about Saddam didn't change. He was the same bastard he was in 1991.

I agree with the claim of the iraki foreign minister

but

Hes right, U.N did fail Iraq. Saddam should of been kicked out, the country should of been rescued years ago.
these words were a little too much.
Don't blame the UN, they are not the only organisation to fail.

Sure I can feel too that french and others governments slow down the last intervention, but it was the fault of Rumsfeld and Powell who make the arguments of the 2003 intervention so smelly.

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 04:24 AM
Yeah, i still stick to my comment. The U.N pulling out of Iraq was stupid, they should of stayed.. deployed the blue hats and stuck with it.

aktarian
12-17-2003, 04:24 AM
Hes right, U.N did fail Iraq. Saddam should of been kicked out, the country should of been rescued years ago.

20 years ago there was oportunity. It wouldn't cost US one drop of blood. They passed and did everything in their power to prevent Saddam from falling. Oh well.

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 05:35 AM
Yes, sure the UN didn't help irakis as much as they can.

But it looks very ciniq (cinic? not sure of spelling :oops: ) to blame UN in consideration of all the occasion missed by a lot of people (not only american).

I don't want to change the subject but I don't want to start a topics on it :
What's happend in US in consideration of Geneve convention problem with images and videos of saddam arrestation?

I feel happy to heard its capture but I want to point something :
If we want to win the war against terrorism (eternal war I think) we must avoid to give benefits to terrorists. They want us to make mistake. And low our consideration of human rights.

The illegal use of war against UN is the first, blame Powell and Rumsfelld for it, they were using very bad arguments to prove the use of forces.

And the last is the pictures of Saddam for the capture. Remember your claim and reactions when Iraki forces shows US POW.
First it's a Geneves convention violation, but it's a politic mistake :
A lot of irakis (not the worst) are considering this like a humiliation, not only the irakis but a lot of the muslims.

Don't make him a martyr.

One french celeb lawyer (Verges) is trying a political move with claiming the defender of Saddam. Its a move to make understood the fact that jurydically Saddam can win.
If you want to make war and justice, it's great, but make it professionaly.

Sun Tsu said, "give allways an escape to you ennemy", but don't give him too much.

wreck
12-17-2003, 05:37 AM
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Can you say 'puppet'? :cantbeli:

Ballistic
12-17-2003, 05:42 AM
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Can you say 'puppet'? :cantbeli:

Pfft. I love people like you....really ! I do !!! :slap:

wreck
12-17-2003, 06:13 AM
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Can you say 'puppet'? :cantbeli:

Pfft. I love people like you....really ! I do !!! :slap:
Thank you, your opinion has been noticed.

FOR ME TO POOP ON rofl

Ok, that was immature, just like 90% of posts on this board :cantbeli:

Argyll
12-17-2003, 06:26 AM
Why is anyone surprised at his statemeny?
Seeing as it was the UN who imposed all the sanctions during the 90's.
The same UN that the US UK and Austrailia all belonged to,who all supported these resoloutions,so why is everyone getting all steamed up about this?
Don't forget it was not the UN who encouraged the Kurds and the Shia's to rise up against Saddam was it!!

Ballistic
12-17-2003, 06:44 AM
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Can you say 'puppet'? :cantbeli:

Pfft. I love people like you....really ! I do !!! :slap:
Thank you, your opinion has been noticed.

FOR ME TO POOP ON rofl

Ok, that was immature, just like 90% of posts on this board :cantbeli:

Ugh, yeah it was immature. :| So please explain to me why this particular gentleman is a "puppet" ? He is stating the painfully obvious.

Meh, why bother, I know what your response will be. :roll:

wreck
12-17-2003, 06:58 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031216/capt.xnyr61212162201.un_iraq_xnyr612.jpg
Can you say 'puppet'? :cantbeli:

Pfft. I love people like you....really ! I do !!! :slap:
Thank you, your opinion has been noticed.

FOR ME TO POOP ON rofl

Ok, that was immature, just like 90% of posts on this board :cantbeli:

Ugh, yeah it was immature. :| So please explain to me why this particular gentleman is a "puppet" ? He is stating the painfully obvious.

Meh, why bother, I know what your response will be. :roll:
That guy is just giving a load bs. Can't even start pointing everything out.

Short version: He's blaming the UN for Iraq's crappy state and that UN should have done something about this 35 years ago. He's almost funny with his statements :P

There's one small part I can try to explain to you:
This clown is demanding UN troops to Iraq for peacekeeping activities. THE US states that UN troops in Iraq must be under Coalition control. Now UN is not so stpid organisation that it would give peacekeepers, that have really good reputation and they are respected, to US military actions in a really US-hostile location. That would destroy the good work the UN
peacekeepers have built by not participating in war.

When the US allows UN troops to enter Iraq as an independent organisation then there some hope of receiving multinational and efficient UN peacekeeping force into Iraq.

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 07:20 AM
http://www.opflash.org/pt/troll.jpg

3rd time i posted that pic today, why dont you fellas take the hint, and stop giving these people food?

wreck
12-17-2003, 07:34 AM
http://www.opflash.org/pt/troll.jpg

3rd time i posted that pic today, why dont you fellas take the hint, and stop giving these people food?
So everything you don't agree is trolling. great way of thinking.

[Troll-mode]
PT, most of the time when reading your posts I feel like you have no brains at all, like you were somekind of ameba (http://www.pepper.it/num29/images/ameba.jpg). Make this world a better place to be and stop posting if you have nothing to say.
[/troll-mode]

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 07:35 AM
Chuuutttt...

PT is the troll, and you jus feed him. ;)

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 07:41 AM
Sorry, i do apolagize... please don't sheet me with your little plastic pellets from your toy guns :oops:

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 07:44 AM
You see,

now he can continue to annoy everyone. :D

wreck
12-17-2003, 07:48 AM
You see,

now he can continue to annoy everyone. :D
yup, I'm sorry about that p-)

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 07:50 AM
Uh oh, ambushed by Left wing, anti war, anti Americans... :lol:

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 07:51 AM
It's not an ambush, you've just shoot your foot.

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 07:52 AM
Left wing, anti war, anti Americans

Can't recognize me in there.

:cantbeli: Forget again, just airsofter.

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 07:53 AM
I hope it was with one of your plastic guns...

Miles Teg
12-17-2003, 07:56 AM
Sure it was, you still here as witness.

ShotOver
12-17-2003, 07:57 AM
hahahahaha :hug: