immigration to the new world

[woofer]

I am considering a move to the new world ie USA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND ETC
My main problem is the ponts system I have a basic secondary education and experience in the military and Police.

I never had the chance to go on to further education and am now 33 years old, married with kids. I would love to continue to be a Police Officer in any of these countries but cannot get past the first hurdle of residency

Any Ideas

[TuNeRsHaRk]

double posted thread?

and getting all your cards and Visas in america is a bitch, i know cuz my dad and my step mom are in the middle of it

[PeterRJG]

Where do you live now? Unless you have a skill in demand, you can forget about migrating to Australia. I'm fairly sure NZ has almost identical requirements.

http://www.immi.gov.au/migration/skilled/index.htm
The lowdown on skilled migration to Australia.

I obtained a Green Card in the US by virtue of being married to an American, so I never went via the skills/employment path.

[Geezah]

I am considering a move to the new world ie USA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND ETC
My main problem is the ponts system I have a basic secondary education and experience in the military and Police.

I never had the chance to go on to further education and am now 33 years old, married with kids. I would love to continue to be a Police Officer in any of these countries but cannot get past the first hurdle of residency

Any Ideas

Sponsorship, this may be your best bet, see what skills you can offer to PDs or maybe even security firms.
If it's something you want then go for it, I made th edecision to move and I considered all my options, that was until my father was natralized then for me it was a go.
Canada and NZ may be allot easier to get into than the US but I would pursue sponsorship.

My Aunt gave horse riding lessons to a British coules son, the guy was an ex Para that was teaching sky diving, moved from Florida up to Indiana, but this may be an option. Need to get all your skills on paper and sell yourself.

Not sure if this helps.

[PeterRJG]

If anyone thinks the US is harder to immigrate to than Canada, NZ or Australia seriously needs to get a grip and get a reality check.

There's no comparison.

[Geezah]

If anyone thinks the US is harder to immigrate to than Canada, NZ or Australia seriously needs to get a grip and get a reality check.

There's no comparison.

Hey, my bad, never tried and didn't know, just thought the colonies were easier than the US :(

Woofer,

Check out the following site,


U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (http://uscis.gov/graphics/index.htm)

[woofer]

most jobs in the usa are citizens only I think 9/11 soughted that out

[digrar]

If you want to try a back door way into Australia you might want to try the Northern Territory Police and then transfer to one of the more desirable states after a couple of years.
Just a heads up, the Northern Territory is a bit of an eye opener, it's real wild west territory.

[PeterRJG]

most jobs in the usa are citizens only I think 9/11 soughted that out

Nonsense. Tell that to the 11-12 million illegal aliens living there. Also, I held jobs for 6 years in the US legally and I'm an Australian citizen.

[Geezah]

most jobs in the usa are citizens only I think 9/11 soughted that out

Citizen or Resisdent Alien, this is where you have to lay out all your skills and push the one you're strongest in. There is an organisation in Florida that helps Brits in that area(ran by ex-pats), I'll PM you the information later tonight when I get home.

[tyovan]

Just curious mate: why do you want to leave the UK?

[ex1cdo]

I am considering a move to the new world ie USA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND ETC
My main problem is the ponts system I have a basic secondary education and experience in the military and Police.

I never had the chance to go on to further education and am now 33 years old, married with kids. I would love to continue to be a Police Officer in any of these countries but cannot get past the first hurdle of residency

Any Ideas

You could always show up here (Canada) without any documentation (just rip up your passport and flush it in the aircraft) and claim refugee status. It seems to work for lots of people ;-)

[nognig]

If anyone thinks the US is harder to immigrate to than Canada, NZ or Australia seriously needs to get a grip and get a reality check.

There's no comparison.

I think it depends on your view of what "difficult" is. The US and Canada have similar requirements for those wishing to immigrate.

However, Canada doesn't fill it's quota of immigrants (1% of population) every year. The US has 12 year waiting lists for some type of immigrants (ex. family reunification from the Phillipines).

It's not that it's harder to immigrate the US, it just takes a hell of a lot longer than most countries.

NN

[Aerosoul]

You guys, he wants to be here legally, not just be here.

:|

[Geezah]

You guys, he wants to be here legally, not just be here.

:|

I know that ;)


I have Vietnamese friends that took them 10yrs to get over here, btu their situation was allot different.

[PeterRJG]

If anyone thinks the US is harder to immigrate to than Canada, NZ or Australia seriously needs to get a grip and get a reality check.

There's no comparison.

I think it depends on your view of what "difficult" is. The US and Canada have similar requirements for those wishing to immigrate.

However, Canada doesn't fill it's quota of immigrants (1% of population) every year. The US has 12 year waiting lists for some type of immigrants (ex. family reunification from the Phillipines).

It's not that it's harder to immigrate the US, it just takes a hell of a lot longer than most countries.

NN

The US has far more options available to people who wish to immigrate there. For starters, it gives away visas in a lottery every year, something Canada, NZ and Australia don't do.

[woofer]

most jobs in the usa are citizens only I think 9/11 soughted that out

Nonsense. Tell that to the 11-12 million illegal aliens living there. Also, I held jobs for 6 years in the US legally and I'm an Australian citizen.

sorry I mean law enforcement jobs

[woofer]

Just curious mate: why do you want to leave the UK?

looking for a better standard of living and an outdoors lifestyle that you wont get in the uk. I also feel the uk is spent out and tired, no oppourtunities for my kids. I dont want them to grow up in some of the places I see and I dont want them to be wage slaves from the age of 18 so they can buy a house in a ****ty housing estate full of chavs.

[woofer]

I am considering a move to the new world ie USA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND ETC
My main problem is the ponts system I have a basic secondary education and experience in the military and Police.

I never had the chance to go on to further education and am now 33 years old, married with kids. I would love to continue to be a Police Officer in any of these countries but cannot get past the first hurdle of residency

Any Ideas

You could always show up here (Canada) without any documentation (just rip up your passport and flush it in the aircraft) and claim refugee status. It seems to work for lots of people ;-)

same in the uk but not my style :lol:

[Geezah]

woofer, you got mail.

[digrar]

The US has far more options available to people who wish to immigrate there. For starters, it gives away visas in a lottery every year, something Canada, NZ and Australia don't do.

If your country has had 50000 people immigrate to the US in the last 5 years you are not able to participate in the lottery. The UK has been on that list of countries for the last couple of years that I know of.

[Geezah]

I know that the majority of lottery tickets go to the Irish, couldn't quite understand that, no offence moug ;)

[Name Taken]

Ah, finally a post I can talk about with knowledge. I moved to the US 5 years ago, to Indiana. I came here with my parents because my dad's UK company needed a manager for an office in the US.

Getting hired in the US if you are not a citizen is tricky, but not impossible. The law states that an immigrant cannot take a job from a US citizen who is equally qualified. Basically you are interviewed, and they must advertize for the job position and accept other applications. The company has to show that you are a superior candidate to justify hiring you.

Another option is a student visa. When I turned 21 I was already in college so switched to a student visa because at 21 you're independent. You can apply to study over here, with a student visa you can work on campus or in a job related to your major. (I think, check on that.) I got my student visa because I am also an RA (guy in charge of a floor in a resident hall). I plan on going to graduate school so I will continue my student visa. I won't need it for long though, however, I fell in love over a year ago with a wonderful woman in college. We're talking about getting married in another years time so I'll have a green card. Frankly I don't care about the green card, I'll be here on my student visa regardless.

My advice, like others have said, is to find a corporate sponsor. By sponsor I mean an employer who will hire you, gaining you a work visa, and maybe they will fund your application for a green card after a few years in the states.

As for leaving the UK, I completely agree. When I had the chance to go I lept at the chance. Afterall, the rats are the first off a sinking ship. ;)

[woofer]

I know that the majority of lottery tickets go to the Irish, couldn't quite understand that, no offence moug ;)

luck of the irish, thought they had loads of them!!!!!!! :lol:

[PeterRJG]

The US has far more options available to people who wish to immigrate there. For starters, it gives away visas in a lottery every year, something Canada, NZ and Australia don't do.

If your country has had 50000 people immigrate to the US in the last 5 years you are not able to participate in the lottery. The UK has been on that list of countries for the last couple of years that I know of.

Australia's not. I keep getting spam saying I'm eligible for the Green Card lottery as an Australian. Trouble is, I already have one. :D

[digrar]

For DV-2006, natives of the following countries are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the previous five years:
CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1318.html

I can't belive Mexico is on that list :P

[woofer]

For DV-2006, natives of the following countries are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the previous five years:
CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1318.html

I can't belive Mexico is on that list :P

well its a lottery every time they cross...they may just win one day ;)

[Geezah]

Ah, finally a post I can talk about with knowledge. I moved to the US 5 years ago, to Indiana. I came here with my parents because my dad's UK company needed a manager for an office in the US.


Name Taken, where abouts in Indiana?

I started off in Richmond then moved to West Alexandria, Ohio(just outside of Eaton) and finished up in Xenia.

[Name Taken]

Good old Kokomo, Indiana. I'm at IU Bloomington now though

[nognig]

If anyone thinks the US is harder to immigrate to than Canada, NZ or Australia seriously needs to get a grip and get a reality check.

There's no comparison.

I think it depends on your view of what "difficult" is. The US and Canada have similar requirements for those wishing to immigrate.

However, Canada doesn't fill it's quota of immigrants (1% of population) every year. The US has 12 year waiting lists for some type of immigrants (ex. family reunification from the Phillipines).

It's not that it's harder to immigrate the US, it just takes a hell of a lot longer than most countries.

NN

The US has far more options available to people who wish to immigrate there. For starters, it gives away visas in a lottery every year, something Canada, NZ and Australia don't do.

Yeah, but the lotto is only open to people from countries where not a lot of people emmigrate to the US. Canada and the UK is not on the list, just to name a few.

Let me put it this way. I know of a few people who are trying to get to the US who immigrate to Canada first. That way they can use the benefits of being a Canadian resident (TN visa, no retrogression for Canada in terms of getting a green card).

If you have the required skills, you can get the Canadian equivalent of a Green Card in less than 3 years. For many people, that is a lot less time that it takes to get a US one.

NN

[EvanL]

If anyone thinks the US is harder to immigrate to than Canada, NZ or Australia seriously needs to get a grip and get a reality check.

There's no comparison.

I think it depends on your view of what "difficult" is. The US and Canada have similar requirements for those wishing to immigrate.

However, Canada doesn't fill it's quota of immigrants (1% of population) every year. The US has 12 year waiting lists for some type of immigrants (ex. family reunification from the Phillipines).

It's not that it's harder to immigrate the US, it just takes a hell of a lot longer than most countries.

NN

The US has far more options available to people who wish to immigrate there. For starters, it gives away visas in a lottery every year, something Canada, NZ and Australia don't do.

Yeah, but the lotto is only open to people from countries where not a lot of people emmigrate to the US. Canada and the UK is not on the list, just to name a few.

Let me put it this way. I know of a few people who are trying to get to the US who immigrate to Canada first. That way they can use the benefits of being a Canadian resident (TN visa, no retrogression for Canada in terms of getting a green card).

If you have the required skills, you can get the Canadian equivalent of a Green Card in less than 3 years. For many people, that is a lot less time that it takes to get a US one.

NN
50% of immmigrants to Canada come from the states. Its the same thing, they live in the U.S. for a good 3-5 years and then emmigrate to Canada as a US citizen as it is alot easier.

[Wodan]

I dont get this policy, the USA is almost empty, they have a low rate of citizens per square mile, look at europe, we have 19.1 million unemployeds in the european union (8.9% unemployment)

You have a huge country, why you dont let, say... 10 million of them in, whats the problem with that?

[EvanL]

I dont get this policy, the USA is almost empty, they have a low rate of citizens per square mile, look at europe, we have 19.1 million unemployeds in the european union (8.9% unemployment)

You have a huge country, why you dont let, say... 10 million of them in, whats the problem with that?
not all of the immigrants are in the age bracket where they can offer much. Whats the point of letting 60+ year olds into the country when they cant offer much in terms of work skills? Its sad but its the way most immigration departments work.

[Wodan]

I dont get this policy, the USA is almost empty, they have a low rate of citizens per square mile, look at europe, we have 19.1 million unemployeds in the european union (8.9% unemployment)

You have a huge country, why you dont let, say... 10 million of them in, whats the problem with that?
not all of the immigrants are in the age bracket where they can offer much. Whats the point of letting 60+ year olds into the country when they cant offer much in terms of work skills? Its sad but its the way most immigration departments work.

uhhm.. normally we europeans dont count people in pension age as unemployeds.... the get either their normal pension, or state-financed penions if they werent able to work for any reason..

The average unemployed is between of 16 and 50 years

(in germany youth unemployment is really common, many german young people do their apprenticeship for 3 1/2 years in companys, get the qualifications but then arent taken, for other reasons than their competence and agenda, especial the economical situation here, I guess its same in many other european countries, the elder people have their jobs more secure as long as the companys dont get bankrupt and dont have that problems)

[nognig]

50% of immmigrants to Canada come from the states. Its the same thing, they live in the U.S. for a good 3-5 years and then emmigrate to Canada as a US citizen as it is alot easier.

Where did you get that from?

Citizenship and Immigration Canada (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pub/facts2003/permanent/12.html)

Immigrants to Canada in 2003 = 221,352
Immigrants to Canada from US = 5,990 (2.7%)

2.7% is not 50%.

To say it takes 3-5 years to get citizenship tells me you don't know what you are talking about. The minimum time it takes is 3 years and that doesn't include the time it takes to get a Green Card. Best case scenario, you'd be lucky to get US citizenship in 5 years. Most people it takes closer to 10 years.

NN